Sure, but such a requirement would defeat the purpose of the service (accessibility to non-tech-savvy or privacy oriented individuals).

It's not necessary though, as eavesdropping alone wouldn't give you access to funds. Plus, being a centralized service allows for additional security measures that the normies love, like trivial reversals of in-network transactions.

Moneypacket is interesting, but I agree passwords in clear text is not such a good idea. What I suggested requires control of the email account. If I send 1 XMR to abc123@hotmail.com, the receiver would get an email saying he received a payment, and to log into his account (or create one) with that email verified. Obviously within the system you'd be able to link multiple email accounts or phone numbers that belong to you.

Oh please. Who are you trying to fool? Us, or yourself?

No, we need an app that will attract regular people outside of the "crypto" community, not one that forces them to care about things they otherwise wouldn't.

Monero is just money. Every business or person who wants to use it shouldn't have to do so in a super private or decentralized manner. There's no point in having money if only techies can use it.

My prediction: KYC ultimately goes away. The internet is a giant meshnet like hyperboria, and web sites are hashed and served p2p (like IPFS or bitTorrent). This means all content is immutable and censorship free. All requests require a micro-payment sent to the seeder. Anyone can surf or stream for free as long as they also seed content to others for payment.

Could this be Monero's killer app? A decentralized, bitTorrent-like p2p network where leechers pay seeders to serve them content?

Again, those are products (based on similar tech). Everyone agrees that an inferior product with better marketing can be more commercially successful.

I think bobabouey2's point is that affordable pricing follows adoption. Early LCD panels are a good example.

But let's not pointlessly argue.

I think PayBee is for merchants to accept payments, but I was imagining something more for the end user.

A great 'killer' Monero app would be a centralized web wallet/mobile app that allows you to send XMR to any email address or phone number, whether they have a wallet setup or not. The recipient would get a notification that they received a payment, and can simply login from that device or email to claim it. Easy peasy.

It's basically a cryptocurrency version of Paypal/Venmo. Centralized, yes, but a dead easy way for people to get their feet wet and send some XMR to friends who wouldn't otherwise be inclined to learn about it. I don't know a lot of people who would turn down money, even if it's the magical internet type.

Yep, and there was virtually no protective coating on the things, so the smallest scratch on the disc pretty much ensured the picture would lock up indefinitely at some point

We're on the same page. You're saying at any given point in time an inferior tech might be favored due to prohibitive cost or other limitations of its rival. I can agree with that.

I'm not disagreeing with your semantics. You said "better tech loses all the time" and cited some poorly marketed products as examples. Sure I can google, but I still can't find any good fodder to back up your statement.

I brought up Laserdisc because I don't think it's an example of better tech 'losing' to inferior tech. Optical disk technology has been winning for decades.

Edit: I'm honestly not trying to split hairs about this, but the "better tech loses" idea is repeated quite a bit here and is almost always accompanied with examples of products like Sega Saturn or Intellivision, or of technologies that ultimately were adopted, just not in their earliest form.

Most of the example 'failures' you reference are the products themselves, and not their underlying technology. In almost every case, the better tech does win, or is eventually superseded by something even better than that.

For example, the underlying Laserdisc technology did prevail (through CDs and eventually DVDs), though the Laserdisc format did not catch on due to practical limitations that made it inferior to other options at the time. The superior image quality of Laserdisc was largely unrealized on consumer TV displays, coupled with the fact that users were unable to record onto the disk. But this is still an example of the better tech winning, as optical disk formats have since dominated in consumer media storage.

Even the VHS/Betamax example is terrible, because although Betamax lost the consumer videotape format war, it survived successfully as a professional and commercial video format.

That's fine. My comment was regarding your dispute of 'reality' which implied the facts were somehow different. But we can discuss context as well.


Important question: did Jaxx take Fluffy's (free) advice to piggyback off MyMonero's backend, and that's why their software broke?

If not, then I don't see how MyMonero's difficulties has anything to do with Jaxx delaying for months and ultimately failing to deliver.


Irrelevant. Whether true or false, none of this has anything to do with Jaxx.


Fair enough, but do you really think we are crucifying anyone more than they already crucified themselves?


This comment actually made me smile. It's interesting how little changes with regards to the inner workings of small systems, communities and organizations versus those of a larger scale. I'm talking specifically about things like control, influence, and the general game theory involved. But that's a tangent.

I have no grudges toward Jaxx. I couldn't care less about their closed source integration, as it contributes very little to the community or the technology. On the other hand, MyMonero as an open source platform that third parties can incorporate and contribute to sounds much more promising for the ecosystem.


I'm quite satisfied that you actually stated your thoughts on the matter instead of your previously cryptic disagreement.


There was plenty of red flags and delays well before the fork. In fact, people were predicting this exact turn of events after Di Iorio's update in November: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5dsqrf/jaxx_monero_integration_update_3/


Your main point here, and elsewhere, seems to be that people are criticizing Jaxx's Anthony Di Iorio but not FluffyPony, thus engaging in "unspoken ass-kissing."

If you can't see the differences in how these two have behaved, not to mention the differences in their position and obligations, then there's no point in having that conversation.

Also, do you really think the entire Jaxx team was blindsided by the regularly scheduled hard fork and the the open-source, much anticipated RingCT implementation?


Maybe next time our top secret devs will think twice before they secretly develop features that nobody knew were coming and release the code at the very last second in a surprise hard fork!

So are you saying that you disagree with Smoothie's version of "reality?"

Did Jaxx not announce Monero support back in October 2016 and claim it would be done in November?

After that deadline was missed, did Jaxx not continue to insist that integration was nearly complete and release was imminent?

Which of the above statements are you saying is untrue?

I just want a dead-simple method of accepting payments on a web page without the need to connect to a node. I'm putting together my own solution which I'll share with anyone else who could use it (it's derived from luigi1111's js tools). It's just a javascript function which takes a standard netbyte 12 xmr address and returns an integrated address.

What would be really convenient would be a simple javascript file that can be included in web pages that can generate payment IDs and corresponding integrated addresses from a const wallet address.

Basically, I want to display a new integrated address on every page load (and store the PID in a hidden input field on that page). I don't want to make any offsite requests.

Does something like this exist?

The chain is older but mixing features weren't added until later on. I don't remember if that was before or after the appearance of Bytecoin.

Cross-posting from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/5qconr/could_aeon_be_positioned_as_a_better_bitcoin/

The average joe doesn't care about Monero, just like the average joe didn't care about the internet 30 years ago.

Did the internet market itself? No. It was businesses like CompuServe and AOL that brought it to the mainstream.

What about the internal combustion engine? Blah. You get the point.

Monero is the tech. Entrepreneurship and clever marketing is for third parties.

At this point I'd say it's better to spend it transparently than to not spend it at all (assuming the transaction isn't that sensitive). The more the currency is used the more opportunities there will be to spend it, privately or not. Embrace XMR as good money in general, not just good "private money."