tradeaway, you sir have been PMed, I think we can assist each other with our two projects and the issues we face with "blockchain bloat"
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Why didn't you do this during the bubble:P Right now sure is a risky time to be converting a lot of funds to btc.
I've been around, bitcoin goes through busts and booms faster and harder than any economic instrument I've ever seen. Part of the point of this project is to (as I said above ) hedge your bet against a dramatic change in the bitcoin price, while still being exposed to bitcoins if you want to be/b], while still getting all of the benefits of a quasi-anonymous investment vehicle that bitcoin is. It separates the technology from the currency, the currency is fine and dandy but the technology itself is revolutionary beyond any measure, and is only just starting to get exploited.
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is there actually a need to pay tax on them. they aren't a currency.. when would you pay tax on them and at what rate? theyre worth something very different every hour!
they are a store of value, and such entities, once "cashed out" must be taxed as capital gains or else you will come upon the wrath of the tax man. I'd also be interested in knowing the tax ramifications of bitcoin as an investment vehicle vs. normal entities such as stocks.
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Sounds risky on many levels, but still interesting.
Even more interesting: rent the properties for BTC, not $. Bitcoin needs more of an economy than just investors shuffling funds around. Charge rent in BTC, peel off dividends, then convert remaining BTC to $ for the mortgage payment. Mid-month mortgage payments would give you two weeks to do this conversion, so there's no worry of tight deadlines being missed due to problems with exchanges. If you can hire contractors to do repairs/maintenance for BTC, even better. You'd make national news doing this (remember the guy selling his house for BTC in Alberta?), and you'd have your pick of both tenants and workers. The single largest expense for the RE market are the financing costs. So long as those costs are denominated in USD it would be a bad idea to charge BTC rents. Such a setup would only be feasible if there was no mortgage and the entirety of the property is equity-financed. agreed, we don't need the added hassle of forcing tenants to pay in btc and forcing local contractors to work in btc, we'd rather provide financial reliability for our investors rather than making undue waves. HOWEVER: As I said previously, we have a distributed, anonymous investor friendly, trust free* company stock system in place that should allow us to be the safest investment in bitcoin history, I will make a new topic and organize the structure of this investment and make a new thread sometime Sunday to outline exactly what we plan to do. Also we have enough for the down-payment on a mortgage and the funds necessary to create a corporation to handle the property management, however the remainder is what we will be looking to raise.
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Sounds risky on many levels, but still interesting.
So you're plan would be:
1) Sell Shares for BTC 2) Convert BTC to Fiat 3) Buy Property using Fiat 4) Convert rent back from Fiat to BTC and pay divs 5) In case of sale in say 3-5 years time: Get Fiat, convert to BTC buy shares back / pay divs / whatever
Amirite?
So currency conversion would result in better divs if BTC drops / stays flat and lower divs if BTC rises in the given timeframe?
correct, this could be considered a hedge investment, as the house valuation is in USD and the rent is in USD, however if you store the btc from divs over the lifetime of the investment you would be in a reasonable position as you are both still heavily invested in bitcoin, and safe against a total loss if bitcoin confidence goes down the tubes for whatever reason. And since theres a good shot of local land value increasing over the lifetime of the investment, you will most likely make a solid return in both fiat and btc.
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Offer guantanamo style services to the US govt (arrange all 50 GPUs in a small room with a prisoner, running BTC, the noise and heat after a number of weeks should be enough to break any man).
Only if you put the fans on autofan, otherwise he might just turn the sound into background noise.
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What timeframe are we talking about? As in - when is the shipbuilding contract supposed to go into full production and when do you expect the properties to increase in value? 1 year? 3 years? 10 years? Not taking anything as guaranteed here, just curious about a raw estimate.
the exact date of starting is a little foggy however news sources have said the first vessels "the first vessels could be christened as soon as 2015." source is http://www.ctvnews.ca/halifax-wins-25-billion-shipbuilding-contract-1.713515A significant advantage has been discovered on our contract design, allowing for a completely distributed and anonymous shareholder system, more will be released on the weekend, this should come into full swing next week. I think we might have just figured out bitcoins KILLER APP
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I saw a thread similar to this one a few days ago, and thought it was an interesting idea.
A prerequisite for me would be regular updates as to the condition of the properties, short/long-term repairs required, criteria for selecting tenants, etc. While there's money to be made in real estate, I've got no interest in owning shares in slums.
of course, all purchases, changes in contract would be put to a vote, all information regarding every single change in the current situation/climate would be recorded and sent to all shareholders in a weekly newsletter, as well as all financials organized in a cash flow diagram in google docs. Even better, every few months I would also take a look at the local housing market and both estimate what the property could sell for, and how much we could make purchasing another
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I live in a university town (Halifax, Nova Scotia) and there are a ton of rental properties for sale locally. A very good friend of mine (I trust him with my life) has his real estate license, and runs 4 of some of the local rental properties and sublets them out to local university students for the property owners. A major shipbuilding contract from the government is just starting to go into pre-production, and when that goes into full production ramp the housing local to the shipyard ( in the downtown core) should skyrocket from the new money moving in, so when the shareholders finally decide to sell the house, we should be able to sell for more than we purchased. all rent would be automatically split up based on share ownership, turned into Bitcoins and paid out as monthly dividends, besides the 5% for maintenance and paying the superintendent (my buddy) for his services of maintaining the building and keeping all the rooms rented. As you can imagine this security would be a hedge against the Bitcoin price rising dramatically as the sale of the home would be in dollars, however unlike other investments with bitcoins it would be as low risk as I think is possible in the current bitcoin climate. Counterparty risk is a problem, however I think I might have figured out a solution once the home is purchased. The deed to the house would be placed in a vault which can only be accessed from the written consent of 50% or more shareholders, I believe this can be accomplished through securing the deed with a third party, or digitally encrypting it if at all possible, however that part is the trickiest and would appreciate some input in further securing the investment for shareholders. I don't really trust any of the current bitcoin exchanges, however I'm not adverse to PTs, I would run it similar to ASICminer in how shares are traded/recorded. for all watchers, the interest post has ended, the main page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252474.0
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damn, I can't wait to move back from halifax and meet some other bitcoiners in the flesh, its like being in antarctica up here
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you can get dota 2 keys for free though? lol
treasure chest keys, I'll change the main post, thanks for reminding me
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I have been playing hon since the Beta (2008) but it got ruined imo. Now i am playing with my mates dota2 i'd love to add you if you don't mind!
go for it man, I play just about every day with some buddies and can always like to play with other players, I played hon for a while with some of my british buddies (was never good at it for some reason), but when dota 2 came out I jumped on it, and they slowly transitioned over Would be neat to have a bitcoin dota 2 guild (since gabe newell came out with the "guild" system), I wonder how many of us play? Friend request has been sent! fun games today dude, cool to meet some turks
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ikea furniture, sporting goods (I could use a new squash racquet) I have a few Ikea chairs & sporting goods, but no squash racquets, just tennis. I really need a couch, when I get a new place after I graduate I wanna get some really nice looking furniture, but I'd rather not pay fiat for it, I bet goat would feel the same way (or other super rich bitcoiners)
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I have been playing hon since the Beta (2008) but it got ruined imo. Now i am playing with my mates dota2 i'd love to add you if you don't mind!
go for it man, I play just about every day with some buddies and can always like to play with other players, I played hon for a while with some of my british buddies (was never good at it for some reason), but when dota 2 came out I jumped on it, and they slowly transitioned over Would be neat to have a bitcoin dota 2 guild (since gabe newell came out with the "guild" system), I wonder how many of us play?
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I'm stealing your strategy and using it for my own listings, holy crap I haven't laughed at an ebay listing in a while, would buy if I needed one 10/10
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I realized I did this last year, why not necro and old thread rather than making a new one? on a gameplay note: Recently I started actually playing pudge, he's extremely fun once you land your hooks, anyone else notice this?
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I'll give you a free bump, that game got me into opera music and still gives me dreams, top 10.
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the winklevoss brothers are going to be rich, and will take us along with them, I wish they would come out on these forums and have a Q&A session, we'd learn so much.
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