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141  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Blockchain + DHT = secure email-like messaging. on: July 05, 2013, 06:13:26 PM
tradeaway, you sir have been PMed, I think we can assist each other with our two projects and the issues we face with "blockchain bloat"
142  Economy / Securities / Re: Rental properties on: July 05, 2013, 06:05:58 PM
Why didn't you do this during the bubble:P Right now sure is a risky time to be converting a lot of funds to btc.

I've been around, bitcoin goes through busts and booms faster and harder than any economic instrument I've ever seen. Part of the point of this project is to (as I said above Tongue) hedge your bet against a dramatic change in the bitcoin price, while still being exposed to bitcoins if you want to be/b], while still getting all of the benefits of a quasi-anonymous investment vehicle that bitcoin is. It separates the technology from the currency, the currency is fine and dandy but the technology itself is revolutionary beyond any measure, and is only just starting to get exploited.
143  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Ill pay BTC for bitcoin tax information on: July 05, 2013, 05:42:02 PM
is there actually a need to pay tax on them. they aren't a currency.. when would you pay tax on them and at what rate? theyre worth something very different every hour!

they are a store of value, and such entities, once "cashed out" must be taxed as capital gains or else you will come upon the wrath of the tax man.

I'd also be interested in knowing the tax ramifications of bitcoin as an investment vehicle vs. normal entities such as stocks.
144  Economy / Securities / Re: Rental properties on: July 05, 2013, 05:32:02 PM
Sounds risky on many levels, but still interesting.

Even more interesting: rent the properties for BTC, not $. Bitcoin needs more of an economy than just investors shuffling funds around. Charge rent in BTC, peel off dividends, then convert remaining BTC to $ for the mortgage payment.

Mid-month mortgage payments would give you two weeks to do this conversion, so there's no worry of tight deadlines being missed due to problems with exchanges.

If you can hire contractors to do repairs/maintenance for BTC, even better. You'd make national news doing this (remember the guy selling his house for BTC in Alberta?), and you'd have your pick of both tenants and workers.

The single largest expense for the RE market are the financing costs. So long as those costs are denominated in USD it would be a bad idea to charge BTC rents. Such a setup would only be feasible if there was no mortgage and the entirety of the property is equity-financed.

agreed, we don't need the added hassle of forcing tenants to pay in btc and forcing local contractors to work in btc, we'd rather provide financial reliability for our investors rather than making undue waves.

HOWEVER: As I said previously, we have a distributed, anonymous investor friendly, trust free* company stock system in place that should allow us to be the safest investment in bitcoin history, I will make a new topic and organize the structure of this investment and make a new thread sometime Sunday to outline exactly what we plan to do.

Also we have enough for the down-payment on a mortgage and the funds necessary to create a corporation to handle the property management, however the remainder is what we will be looking to raise.
145  Economy / Securities / Re: Rental properties on: July 05, 2013, 02:17:14 PM
Sounds risky on many levels, but still interesting.

So you're plan would be:

1) Sell Shares for BTC
2) Convert BTC to Fiat
3) Buy Property using Fiat
4) Convert rent back from Fiat to BTC and pay divs
5) In case of sale in say 3-5 years time: Get Fiat, convert to BTC buy shares back / pay divs / whatever

Amirite?

So currency conversion would result in better divs if BTC drops / stays flat and lower divs if BTC rises in the given timeframe?

correct, this could be considered a hedge investment, as the house valuation is in USD and the rent is in USD, however if you store the btc from divs over the lifetime of the investment you would be in a reasonable position as you are both still heavily invested in bitcoin, and safe against a total loss if bitcoin confidence goes down the tubes for whatever reason.

And since theres a good shot of local land value increasing over the lifetime of the investment, you will most likely make a solid return in both fiat and btc.

146  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: If Bitcoin dies... what could I do with 50 GPUs? on: July 05, 2013, 12:10:08 PM
Offer guantanamo style services to the US govt (arrange all 50 GPUs in a small room with a prisoner, running BTC, the noise and heat after a number of weeks should be enough to break any man).
Only if you put the fans on autofan, otherwise he might just turn the sound into background noise.
147  Economy / Securities / Re: Rental properties on: July 05, 2013, 11:48:43 AM
What timeframe are we talking about? As in - when is the shipbuilding contract supposed to go into full production and when do you expect the properties to increase in value? 1 year? 3 years? 10 years? Not taking anything as guaranteed here, just curious about a raw estimate.


the exact date of starting is a little foggy however news sources have said the first vessels "the first vessels could be christened as soon as 2015."




source is http://www.ctvnews.ca/halifax-wins-25-billion-shipbuilding-contract-1.713515


A significant advantage has been discovered on our contract design, allowing for a completely distributed and anonymous shareholder system, more will be released on the weekend, this should come into full swing next week.

I think we might have just figured out bitcoins KILLER APP  Cool
148  Economy / Securities / Re: Rental properties on: July 04, 2013, 10:45:04 PM
I saw a thread similar to this one a few days ago, and thought it was an interesting idea.

A prerequisite for me would be regular updates as to the condition of the properties, short/long-term repairs required, criteria for selecting tenants, etc. While there's money to be made in real estate, I've got no interest in owning shares in slums.

of course, all purchases, changes in contract would be put to a vote, all information regarding every single change in the current situation/climate would be recorded and sent to all shareholders in a weekly newsletter, as well as all financials organized in a cash flow diagram in google docs.

Even better, every few months I would also take a look at the local housing market and both estimate what the property could sell for, and how much we could make purchasing another
149  Economy / Services / Re: - dota 2 BTC shop (CHEAPER IN BTC) -come in to buy or just talk about dota 2 on: July 04, 2013, 10:25:58 PM
bump for the day
150  Economy / Securities / Rental properties on: July 04, 2013, 10:19:50 PM
I live in a university town (Halifax, Nova Scotia) and there are a ton of rental properties for sale locally. A very good friend of mine  (I trust him with my life) has his real estate license, and runs 4 of some of the local rental properties and sublets them out to local university students for the property owners.

A major shipbuilding contract from the government is just starting to go into pre-production, and when that goes into full production ramp the housing local to the shipyard ( in the downtown core) should skyrocket from the new money moving in, so when the shareholders finally decide to sell the house, we should be able to sell for more than we purchased.

all rent would be automatically split up based on share ownership, turned into Bitcoins and paid out as monthly dividends, besides the 5% for maintenance and paying the superintendent (my buddy) for his services of maintaining the building and keeping all the rooms rented.

As you can imagine this security would be a hedge against the Bitcoin price rising dramatically as the sale of the home would be in dollars,
however unlike other investments with bitcoins it would be as low risk as I think is possible in the current bitcoin climate.


Counterparty risk is a problem, however I think I might have figured out a solution once the home is purchased.
The deed to the house would be placed in a vault which can only be accessed from the written consent of 50% or more shareholders, I believe this can be accomplished through securing the deed with a third party, or digitally encrypting it if at all possible, however that part is the trickiest and would appreciate some input in further securing the investment for shareholders.

I don't really trust any of the current bitcoin exchanges, however I'm not adverse to PTs, I would run it similar to ASICminer in how shares are traded/recorded.


for all watchers, the interest post has ended, the main page
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252474.0

151  Local / Other languages/locations / Re: Toronto, ON, CANADA on: July 04, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
Check out Toronto Bitcoin Community Meetup

We've got over 115 members and the meetups are every other week.


 

damn, I can't wait to move back from halifax and meet some other bitcoiners in the flesh, its like being in antarctica up here  Wink
152  Economy / Services / Re: - dota 2 BTC shop (CHEAPER IN BTC) -come in to buy or just talk about dota 2 on: July 03, 2013, 11:49:28 PM
you can get dota 2 keys for free though? lol

treasure chest keys, I'll change the main post, thanks for reminding me Tongue
153  Economy / Services / Re: - dota 2 BTC shop (CHEAPER IN BTC) -come in to buy or just talk about dota 2 on: July 03, 2013, 11:05:25 PM
I have been playing hon since the Beta (2008) but it got ruined imo. Now i am playing with my mates dota2 i'd love to add you if you don't mind!

go for it man, I play just about every day with some buddies and can always like to play with other players, I played hon for a while with some of my british buddies (was never good at it for some reason), but when dota 2 came out I jumped on it, and they slowly transitioned over Tongue

Would be neat to have a bitcoin dota 2 guild (since gabe newell came out with the "guild" system), I wonder how many of us play?

Friend request has been sent!

fun games today dude, cool to meet some turks
154  Economy / Goods / Re: What you wanna buy using bitcoin? on: July 03, 2013, 06:48:28 PM
ikea furniture, sporting goods (I could use a new squash racquet)

I have a few Ikea chairs & sporting goods, but no squash racquets, just tennis.

I really need a couch, when I get a new place after I graduate I wanna get some really nice looking furniture, but I'd rather not pay fiat for it, I bet goat would feel the same way (or other super rich bitcoiners)
155  Economy / Services / Re: - dota 2 BTC shop (CHEAPER IN BTC) -come in to buy or just talk about dota 2 on: July 03, 2013, 04:35:09 PM
I have been playing hon since the Beta (2008) but it got ruined imo. Now i am playing with my mates dota2 i'd love to add you if you don't mind!

go for it man, I play just about every day with some buddies and can always like to play with other players, I played hon for a while with some of my british buddies (was never good at it for some reason), but when dota 2 came out I jumped on it, and they slowly transitioned over Tongue

Would be neat to have a bitcoin dota 2 guild (since gabe newell came out with the "guild" system), I wonder how many of us play?
156  Economy / Services / Re: - dota 2 BTC shop (CHEAPER IN BTC) -come in to buy or just talk about dota 2 on: July 03, 2013, 04:21:01 PM
bump to keep this badboy on first page, went 27/8 with meepo two nights ago, any of you guys use dotabuff?

heres mine
http://dotabuff.com/players/20233218
157  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: "Italian Special Edition" Jalapeno on: July 02, 2013, 08:04:04 PM
I'm stealing your strategy and using it for my own listings, holy crap I haven't laughed at an ebay listing in a while, would buy if I needed one 10/10
158  Economy / Services / Re: -- dota 2 BTC shop --- come in to buy or just talk about dota 2 on: July 02, 2013, 07:15:32 PM
I realized I did this last year, why not necro and old thread rather than making a new one?  Roll Eyes

on a gameplay note: Recently I started actually playing pudge, he's extremely fun once you land your hooks, anyone else notice this?
159  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] Hitman: Blood Money Steam Code - 0.05 BTC on: July 02, 2013, 03:25:15 PM
I'll give you a free bump, that game got me into opera music and still gives me dreams, top 10.
160  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins become boring? on: July 02, 2013, 03:23:53 PM

the winklevoss brothers are going to be rich, and will take us along with them, I wish they would come out on these forums and have a Q&A session, we'd learn so much.
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