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141  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DT Draco, DTMI Token and Drachmae user on: November 03, 2017, 12:34:20 PM
This time last year it was announced for DT Token would eventually move away from NXT as MS Token and to move to its own blockchain

Shows how much you follow this.

If I carry on with DT Token it means I walk away from DTMI as I do not manage it or the association. ( I am one of the advisers and not a founder)

not sure you get 50% of the premine

but anyways you have convinced what is best.

DT Token will move to its own chain

It will start with no Pre-Mine and people will be able to swap 10 old to 1 new.

Thank you for your advice and support.






your is a totally pretentious move.

You made a fake opening for then turn into a totally unlogical solution.

Draco already has his blockchain and tokens what's the reason of restarting from zero?

If you are not going to do the swap with DTMI then just continue with the development promised when you launched the token, or just admit that the project failed and you didn't provide any update in a year.

So you will be free to fully concentrate the attention into DTMI token where you own the 50% of the pre-mine, for the happiness of the pour souls that will buy it.





Not sure how I am exposed, but I will agreed with you.

It seems that each time I agreed with you, that you come back with some other lame excuse.

So My proposal is as follows:

DT Token will be re-launched on a version of Dash with self governance and voting for the treasury.

the Coin will be launched from ZERO (No Premine) I will mine it like everyone else and I mine it I will swap 10 NXT Based DT Tokens to 1 NEW DT token that is clone of Dash.

No developer funds being held and everything starts from Zero but I will convert the old to new as I Mine them like everyone else.

I think that is Fair and very clean.


once again you proved yourself...

Opening and then threat, you don' need to do that, can easily continue the swap reducing the pre-mine in your hand and increase the pre-mine that go to Draco holders.

But since you been exposed and you cannot profit from it as you expected then continue with threat for scary the scammed holders of your previous coins..




100% agreed with you

Best solution is no Pre-Mine at all I will mine the coin and finance it like everyone else and offer a 10 to 1 swap of DT  to new DT

remove everything and will run it as a one man army..

I like that idea better..




don't forget the treasury seed funds since with that and the founders funds you would still own about 23% of the Pre-mine...

You know what, even taking in consideration all the precedents, the more than questionable behavior, the tricky answers, etc.  I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt if you:

1. reduce the premine that go to into your hands (or your so called partners) to a max 10% of the total premine. Not interested in how you call it, dev, partners, treasury, funders, etc. but should be maximum 10% of the 8,888,888 total pre-mine.

2. redistribute that premine for give Draco a more fair swap rate, even will still be awful considering the value of Draco at the time of the swap rate announcement.

 



Association, Development partners and advisory all can be removed that is not an issue.

Is that what you recommend.
142  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: November 03, 2017, 11:54:11 AM
Not sure how I am exposed, but I will agreed with you.

It seems that each time I agreed with you, that you come back with some other lame excuse.

So My proposal is as follows:

DT Token will be re-launched on a version of Dash with self governance and voting for the treasury.

the Coin will be launched from ZERO (No Premine) I will mine it like everyone else and I mine it I will swap 10 NXT Based DT Tokens to 1 NEW DT token that is clone of Dash.

No developer funds being held and everything starts from Zero but I will convert the old to new as I Mine them like everyone else.

I think that is Fair and very clean.



you don't need that amount for run the system.

and since you been exposed you are continuing with threats for scary the poor holders of your previous scam coins.

treasury is done as people mine it just like dash where you have to vote same as Association and Dev fund

but we could just release a coin that is mined from the start from Zero which makes a lot of sense but also lots of value for the miners so its an excellent opportunty for mining and no requirements of the Association and what that is for and no need of the partners or advisers.

Just need to find developers that will create the coin and maintain the coin.

So we remove the following:

  • Governance of voting on the treasury
  • Remove the association
  • Remove the Advisers
  • Remove the Partners


We don't swap DT or JIO to DTMI they will stay standalone or we re-launch them re-branded on there own Chain separate (Newer versions with suitable conversions to the new the DT or JIO tokens???





Don't forget the Treasury funds, that's the biggest one.



Association, Development partners and advisory all can be removed that is not an issue.

Is that what you recommend.


Nice try genius.. I am clearly talking about the pre-mine that go in yours or your compare hands.

Only 50% of the pre-mined DTMI are destined to the swap the other 50% are divided into different accounts like advisors, partners, foundation, developers, etc.  that from what we know are all controlled by you, directly or indirectly.

and before you say that for the development you need Pre-mine well you are right, but since you already had your pre-mine for both JIO and Draco while basically there has been no development you still should have it and can swap it for DTMI with the great swap rate you set-up.





I personally think your proposal is great about no Pre-Mine lets do it.

But I am curious if there is no Pre-Mine how to make a better rate for the Swap if there is nothing to swap to?

Maybe I am missing something?

I will leave it up to your capable hands

As Tam Tam Travels Can stay on JIO that's not an issue, but I think its best JIO Holders get to decide if they want to swap..

Awaiting your feedback...


Don't you see that's exactly how scam scheme work?

Now he is threatening us all to don't effectuate the swap so that in the fear to lost all your investment you will agree with the conditions that:
1 are not fair for you;
2 will get someone else scammed;
3 will bring high benefit only to the scammers.

It's nothing less than a variation of the ponzi scheme.

This person already released not 1 but 2 tokens and didn't do anything of the things promised, now created a third token once again pre-mined... surpise surpise.

If he is really in good faith he will release the DTMI token with no pre-mine and so adjust the DT-Draco swap rate... but this will never happen and the scam will continue.



It looks like draco should be beaten on behalf of the whole current altcoin crisis.

Let the Dev do his swap and give the new dtmi a chance to come up.

In the past, the draco has not only offered loss opportunities, but also some good opportunities for profit. It was up to us to decide for this or that. For those who have opted for the swap further shitstorms are counterproductive, so I would say lets have some good luck with the new Dtmi.
143  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DT Draco, DTMI Token and Drachmae user on: November 03, 2017, 11:47:32 AM
Not sure how I am exposed, but I will agreed with you.

It seems that each time I agreed with you, that you come back with some other lame excuse.

So My proposal is as follows:

DT Token will be re-launched on a version of Dash with self governance and voting for the treasury.

the Coin will be launched from ZERO (No Premine) I will mine it like everyone else and I mine it I will swap 10 NXT Based DT Tokens to 1 NEW DT token that is clone of Dash.

No developer funds being held and everything starts from Zero but I will convert the old to new as I Mine them like everyone else.

I think that is Fair and very clean.


once again you proved yourself...

Opening and then threat, you don' need to do that, can easily continue the swap reducing the pre-mine in your hand and increase the pre-mine that go to Draco holders.

But since you been exposed and you cannot profit from it as you expected then continue with threat for scary the scammed holders of your previous coins..




100% agreed with you

Best solution is no Pre-Mine at all I will mine the coin and finance it like everyone else and offer a 10 to 1 swap of DT  to new DT

remove everything and will run it as a one man army..

I like that idea better..




don't forget the treasury seed funds since with that and the founders funds you would still own about 23% of the Pre-mine...

You know what, even taking in consideration all the precedents, the more than questionable behavior, the tricky answers, etc.  I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt if you:

1. reduce the premine that go to into your hands (or your so called partners) to a max 10% of the total premine. Not interested in how you call it, dev, partners, treasury, funders, etc. but should be maximum 10% of the 8,888,888 total pre-mine.

2. redistribute that premine for give Draco a more fair swap rate, even will still be awful considering the value of Draco at the time of the swap rate announcement.

 



Association, Development partners and advisory all can be removed that is not an issue.

Is that what you recommend.
144  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DT Draco, DTMI Token and Drachmae user on: November 03, 2017, 11:19:19 AM
100% agreed with you

Best solution is no Pre-Mine at all I will mine the coin and finance it like everyone else and offer a 10 to 1 swap of DT  to new DT

remove everything and will run it as a one man army..

I like that idea better..




don't forget the treasury seed funds since with that and the founders funds you would still own about 23% of the Pre-mine...

You know what, even taking in consideration all the precedents, the more than questionable behavior, the tricky answers, etc.  I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt if you:

1. reduce the premine that go to into your hands (or your so called partners) to a max 10% of the total premine. Not interested in how you call it, dev, partners, treasury, funders, etc. but should be maximum 10% of the 8,888,888 total pre-mine.

2. redistribute that premine for give Draco a more fair swap rate, even will still be awful considering the value of Draco at the time of the swap rate announcement.

 



Association, Development partners and advisory all can be removed that is not an issue.

Is that what you recommend.
145  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: November 03, 2017, 11:01:21 AM
treasury is done as people mine it just like dash where you have to vote same as Association and Dev fund

but we could just release a coin that is mined from the start from Zero which makes a lot of sense but also lots of value for the miners so its an excellent opportunty for mining and no requirements of the Association and what that is for and no need of the partners or advisers.

Just need to find developers that will create the coin and maintain the coin.

So we remove the following:

  • Governance of voting on the treasury
  • Remove the association
  • Remove the Advisers
  • Remove the Partners


We don't swap DT or JIO to DTMI they will stay standalone or we re-launch them re-branded on there own Chain separate (Newer versions with suitable conversions to the new the DT or JIO tokens???





Don't forget the Treasury funds, that's the biggest one.



Association, Development partners and advisory all can be removed that is not an issue.

Is that what you recommend.


Nice try genius.. I am clearly talking about the pre-mine that go in yours or your compare hands.

Only 50% of the pre-mined DTMI are destined to the swap the other 50% are divided into different accounts like advisors, partners, foundation, developers, etc.  that from what we know are all controlled by you, directly or indirectly.

and before you say that for the development you need Pre-mine well you are right, but since you already had your pre-mine for both JIO and Draco while basically there has been no development you still should have it and can swap it for DTMI with the great swap rate you set-up.





I personally think your proposal is great about no Pre-Mine lets do it.

But I am curious if there is no Pre-Mine how to make a better rate for the Swap if there is nothing to swap to?

Maybe I am missing something?

I will leave it up to your capable hands

As Tam Tam Travels Can stay on JIO that's not an issue, but I think its best JIO Holders get to decide if they want to swap..

Awaiting your feedback...


Don't you see that's exactly how scam scheme work?

Now he is threatening us all to don't effectuate the swap so that in the fear to lost all your investment you will agree with the conditions that:
1 are not fair for you;
2 will get someone else scammed;
3 will bring high benefit only to the scammers.

It's nothing less than a variation of the ponzi scheme.

This person already released not 1 but 2 tokens and didn't do anything of the things promised, now created a third token once again pre-mined... surpise surpise.

If he is really in good faith he will release the DTMI token with no pre-mine and so adjust the DT-Draco swap rate... but this will never happen and the scam will continue.



It looks like draco should be beaten on behalf of the whole current altcoin crisis.

Let the Dev do his swap and give the new dtmi a chance to come up.

In the past, the draco has not only offered loss opportunities, but also some good opportunities for profit. It was up to us to decide for this or that. For those who have opted for the swap further shitstorms are counterproductive, so I would say lets have some good luck with the new Dtmi.
146  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DT Draco, DTMI Token and Drachmae user on: November 03, 2017, 10:39:02 AM
Association, Development partners and advisory all can be removed that is not an issue.

Is that what you recommend.
147  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: November 03, 2017, 10:19:31 AM
Association, Development partners and advisory all can be removed that is not an issue.

Is that what you recommend.


Nice try genius.. I am clearly talking about the pre-mine that go in yours or your compare hands.

Only 50% of the pre-mined DTMI are destined to the swap the other 50% are divided into different accounts like advisors, partners, foundation, developers, etc.  that from what we know are all controlled by you, directly or indirectly.

and before you say that for the development you need Pre-mine well you are right, but since you already had your pre-mine for both JIO and Draco while basically there has been no development you still should have it and can swap it for DTMI with the great swap rate you set-up.





I personally think your proposal is great about no Pre-Mine lets do it.

But I am curious if there is no Pre-Mine how to make a better rate for the Swap if there is nothing to swap to?

Maybe I am missing something?

I will leave it up to your capable hands

As Tam Tam Travels Can stay on JIO that's not an issue, but I think its best JIO Holders get to decide if they want to swap..

Awaiting your feedback...


Don't you see that's exactly how scam scheme work?

Now he is threatening us all to don't effectuate the swap so that in the fear to lost all your investment you will agree with the conditions that:
1 are not fair for you;
2 will get someone else scammed;
3 will bring high benefit only to the scammers.

It's nothing less than a variation of the ponzi scheme.

This person already released not 1 but 2 tokens and didn't do anything of the things promised, now created a third token once again pre-mined... surpise surpise.

If he is really in good faith he will release the DTMI token with no pre-mine and so adjust the DT-Draco swap rate... but this will never happen and the scam will continue.



It looks like draco should be beaten on behalf of the whole current altcoin crisis.

Let the Dev do his swap and give the new dtmi a chance to come up.

In the past, the draco has not only offered loss opportunities, but also some good opportunities for profit. It was up to us to decide for this or that. For those who have opted for the swap further shitstorms are counterproductive, so I would say lets have some good luck with the new Dtmi.
148  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DT Draco, DTMI Token and Drachmae user on: November 03, 2017, 09:00:28 AM
I don't have the the single authority to decide on it


If you would like to take over DTMI development and management from technical and to the issuance I can introduce you to the team behind the association for you to take the lead.

My involvement was simple if I participate in putting this project together that it would integrate DT and JIO, but if the community deem this not viable then I can step down and somebody else can can take my place and I will take DT and JIO token with me away from DTMI.

You say developer but you don't know the project or what its for even..


Here again trying to change topic and trying to scare people that hold DT-Draco and JIO in order to get some support from people scared of loose everything what they invested in you past scam-coins. Exactly how a pyramid scam scheme work

You already released 2 Pre-mined tokens and didn't do anything of what you promised.

if you are in a good faith, release DTMI with no pre-mine and so adjust the swap rate of Draco. Will you do that?




What do you know of the project and use case? do you know who is involved and participating?

do?
you?

HuhHuh?

DTMI hasnt been released so if it's such a scam it doesn't need to be released does it..



I 100% agreed with you and lucky fact is I am personally not the issuer of DTMI, There are discussions to actually not integrate JIO and DT Token at all.

if there was an ICO on DTMI I would also say its 100% scam.

Actually I fully agreed with you crypto currencies are scams.

Would you agreed that DTMI should not even exist?


My only intent is to avoid that people get scammed.

It's quite clear that you finished to dump the pre-mine of your past coins and restarted all over again with this new DTMI.

About the other logical solutions, it has been highly discussed in the thread by many users that give mathematical example of why the exchange rate is absolute unreasonable, but you been not open at all to modify it. So don't pretend to be ready to leave since this the way you make money.

But just for let everyone understand, in the swap between DT draco/JOI and DTMI and taking in consideration the price of both coins at time of announcement, JOI received a 16x more favorable exchange rate, and keep in mind that Draco price already felt from 300satoshi to 80 satoshi at that time thanks to the bittrex delisting... Guess you still have your pre-mine in JOI that's why the special treatment.

So guys pay attention, this so called Developer job is to create token from thin air, disappear from months with no development, create hype for exciting news coming and then bend you over while he finished to dump the premine, it happened with the past projects I don't see why will not happen with that.

You been warned

The Dev of this coins is well know for his behavior but let's go thought all the phases so you can judge yourself before invest in one of his projects:

1. announced Draco swap to DTMI (Token with an higher pre-mine)
2. Draco got delisted from Bittrex
3. A swap trough C-Cex was announce
4. An unreasonable exchange rate between Draco and the DTMI was set
5. Draco got delisted from C-Cex while the information on the thread main page still talk about a swap using C-Cex
6. The website that the dev indicate in the thread (but not in the main page) to be used for the swap is down as well as the main website.

Result: DT Draco got delisted from 2 exchanges and lost something like 5900% of his value within a month.


Now he starting everything again with a new thread about DTMI , be aware and do your research so you will not end up like many that invested in DT Draco.

If exchanges de-list a currency it is at there discretion.

Secondly https://cne.drachmae.market/login.php is not down at all.

Third all old threads are locked and the last comment is the link to the new Thread so there is one central point for information.

Forth the swap via c-cex was intended but the association does not have the funds that was required to cover the fee that was discussed therefore it was decided to use https://cne.drachmae.market/login.php

If you feel it is better and more logical the whole project with DTMI can be dropped or if somebody else comes up with a better solution they are more than welcome to take it over.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2325196.msg23631741#msg23631741

your is a pathetic attempt to put in my mouth words that I never said.

there are many coins with pre-mine that developers used for keep the development for years. It's clearly not your case since you already issued 2 tokens and fucked up the holders very well.

you want to get back some credibility?

- issue DTMI with no pre-mine
- adjust the exchange rate for Draco token holders
- continue a stable development out of donations as many devs do.

then I will take back all I said and eat McAfee dick.

149  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: November 03, 2017, 08:47:15 AM
I personally think your proposal is great about no Pre-Mine lets do it.

But I am curious if there is no Pre-Mine how to make a better rate for the Swap if there is nothing to swap to?

Maybe I am missing something?

I will leave it up to your capable hands

As Tam Tam Travels Can stay on JIO that's not an issue, but I think its best JIO Holders get to decide if they want to swap..

Awaiting your feedback...


Don't you see that's exactly how scam scheme work?

Now he is threatening us all to don't effectuate the swap so that in the fear to lost all your investment you will agree with the conditions that:
1 are not fair for you;
2 will get someone else scammed;
3 will bring high benefit only to the scammers.

It's nothing less than a variation of the ponzi scheme.

This person already released not 1 but 2 tokens and didn't do anything of the things promised, now created a third token once again pre-mined... surpise surpise.

If he is really in good faith he will release the DTMI token with no pre-mine and so adjust the DT-Draco swap rate... but this will never happen and the scam will continue.



It looks like draco should be beaten on behalf of the whole current altcoin crisis.

Let the Dev do his swap and give the new dtmi a chance to come up.

In the past, the draco has not only offered loss opportunities, but also some good opportunities for profit. It was up to us to decide for this or that. For those who have opted for the swap further shitstorms are counterproductive, so I would say lets have some good luck with the new Dtmi.
150  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: November 03, 2017, 08:19:49 AM
Service update for DTMI

Previously one of the core areas focused upon was tourism.

2015 it was explored and discovered the need and viability around the use of digital currency in order to fill some gaps that affect tourism.

  • Delayed flights for more than 3 hours normally the passenger can claim up to 600$ from the Airline, but there is no real obligation for the airline to do so.
  • Flight cancellation fees
  • Hotel cancellation fees
  • Lost Luggage

VIP Portal formerly Drachmae Travel has been temporarily shut down due to its running monthly overheads costing an average of 8,000$ a month and initial setup 120,000$ was spent.
New Site for www.tamtamtravels.com has been activated but will be receiving several changes and additions, Changes are from JIO Token to DTMI Token with how to claim refunds and rebates for the 4 categories that have been identified above which are very basic and fundamental areas in the tourism sector.

Additional Areas being added to TamTam Travels to Support DTMI Token.

Booking engine https://bookings.tamtamtravels.com which will be online by the end of November or sooner the engine provides the following and many times with some unique discounts and deals. The new Booking engine rough monthly costs will be around 2,000 to 2,500$ to maintain.

  • 900 Airlines
  • 800,000+ hotels
  • 200+ car rentals
  • Activities

In the beginning the engine will only accept credit cards till we can develop and integrate the engine into the DTMA Mobile APP which will cost from 150,000 to 250,000$ at worst case scenario, also DTMI would need to have a stable daily trading volume of 1,000,000+$ per day.

The goal to develop and integrate the bookings and payments via DTMI will be from the revenues of the booking engine therefore depending on the popularity of the service will determine future development after the release.

The goal to develop and integrate the bookings and payments via DTMI will be from the revenues of the booking engine therefore depending on the popularity of the service in fiat currency will determine future development after the release.
151  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DT Draco, DTMI Token and Drachmae user on: November 02, 2017, 07:53:44 PM
What do you know of the project and use case? do you know who is involved and participating?

do?
you?

HuhHuh?

DTMI hasnt been released so if it's such a scam it doesn't need to be released does it..



I 100% agreed with you and lucky fact is I am personally not the issuer of DTMI, There are discussions to actually not integrate JIO and DT Token at all.

if there was an ICO on DTMI I would also say its 100% scam.

Actually I fully agreed with you crypto currencies are scams.

Would you agreed that DTMI should not even exist?


My only intent is to avoid that people get scammed.

It's quite clear that you finished to dump the pre-mine of your past coins and restarted all over again with this new DTMI.

About the other logical solutions, it has been highly discussed in the thread by many users that give mathematical example of why the exchange rate is absolute unreasonable, but you been not open at all to modify it. So don't pretend to be ready to leave since this the way you make money.

But just for let everyone understand, in the swap between DT draco/JOI and DTMI and taking in consideration the price of both coins at time of announcement, JOI received a 16x more favorable exchange rate, and keep in mind that Draco price already felt from 300satoshi to 80 satoshi at that time thanks to the bittrex delisting... Guess you still have your pre-mine in JOI that's why the special treatment.

So guys pay attention, this so called Developer job is to create token from thin air, disappear from months with no development, create hype for exciting news coming and then bend you over while he finished to dump the premine, it happened with the past projects I don't see why will not happen with that.

You been warned

The Dev of this coins is well know for his behavior but let's go thought all the phases so you can judge yourself before invest in one of his projects:

1. announced Draco swap to DTMI (Token with an higher pre-mine)
2. Draco got delisted from Bittrex
3. A swap trough C-Cex was announce
4. An unreasonable exchange rate between Draco and the DTMI was set
5. Draco got delisted from C-Cex while the information on the thread main page still talk about a swap using C-Cex
6. The website that the dev indicate in the thread (but not in the main page) to be used for the swap is down as well as the main website.

Result: DT Draco got delisted from 2 exchanges and lost something like 5900% of his value within a month.


Now he starting everything again with a new thread about DTMI , be aware and do your research so you will not end up like many that invested in DT Draco.

If exchanges de-list a currency it is at there discretion.

Secondly https://cne.drachmae.market/login.php is not down at all.

Third all old threads are locked and the last comment is the link to the new Thread so there is one central point for information.

Forth the swap via c-cex was intended but the association does not have the funds that was required to cover the fee that was discussed therefore it was decided to use https://cne.drachmae.market/login.php

If you feel it is better and more logical the whole project with DTMI can be dropped or if somebody else comes up with a better solution they are more than welcome to take it over.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2325196.msg23631741#msg23631741

your is a pathetic attempt to put in my mouth words that I never said.

there are many coins with pre-mine that developers used for keep the development for years. It's clearly not your case since you already issued 2 tokens and fucked up the holders very well.

you want to get back some credibility?

- issue DTMI with no pre-mine
- adjust the exchange rate for Draco token holders
- continue a stable development out of donations as many devs do.

then I will take back all I said and eat McAfee dick.

152  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: November 02, 2017, 09:32:07 AM
KYC and AML is for Fiat currency

for crypto you just need to fill in the basic profile requirements


How to get DTMI Tokens?

First you create an account on https://cne.drachmae.market/login.php

Once you have your account created you follow the following instructions:

Go to www.c-cex.com and purchase JIO Token & DT Token till 07/11/2017 withdraw to your wallet on https://cne.drachmae.market

I have to agree to a KYC/AML policy to swap my coins, or to withdraw them from your wallet/market after they've been swapped?  I don't want to do that.  I don't know you and you might be identity thieves.  Will I be able to get my coins out without giving personal info?
153  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: DT Token Re-branded & Relaunched as DTMI "Digital Technology Moldova Innovation" on: November 01, 2017, 11:40:35 AM
Are you planning any additional emission of your tokens after the ICO is over?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2325196.0
154  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: November 01, 2017, 10:59:03 AM
Well nobody has actually asked who the partners, founders or anything regarding either DTMI or DTMA..

Basic logic nobody actually knows what the project is about so there is no actual way of providing any value.

Shame.

155  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: November 01, 2017, 07:58:15 AM

If everyone agrees there will be no pre-mine at all or DTMI token and will stay as is JIO and DT Token

If it makes everyone happier?

Originally DT Token and JIO was not meant to be part of the project but opposed to being involved in a 3rd currency it made sense to integrate them, which is proving to be a bad decision.



To the complainers (including myself)
its either:
- Receive consolation prize in the form of DMI tokens for your useless JIO and DRACO
- Get nothing, dev doesnt actually owe any of us anything, and its not like Draco and Jio had development in the past 10 months.

maybe
Maybe
MAYBE!

we end up with DTMI and Drachmae ends up with a token they can add value to with everything they've been planning for the last 2 years.

maybe maybe you will get something out from your DTMI dumping it to someone else, and from 1/2 years from now he will be in the same position of ours today.
While the so called Dev will finish to dump the pre-mine and restart all over.

It's hard to take a loss but let's try to create a nice community that help each other in order to avoid bad situation like this

156  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DT Draco, DTMI Token and Drachmae user on: November 01, 2017, 07:43:22 AM
I 100% agreed with you and lucky fact is I am personally not the issuer of DTMI, There are discussions to actually not integrate JIO and DT Token at all.

if there was an ICO on DTMI I would also say its 100% scam.

Actually I fully agreed with you crypto currencies are scams.

Would you agreed that DTMI should not even exist?


My only intent is to avoid that people get scammed.

It's quite clear that you finished to dump the pre-mine of your past coins and restarted all over again with this new DTMI.

About the other logical solutions, it has been highly discussed in the thread by many users that give mathematical example of why the exchange rate is absolute unreasonable, but you been not open at all to modify it. So don't pretend to be ready to leave since this the way you make money.

But just for let everyone understand, in the swap between DT draco/JOI and DTMI and taking in consideration the price of both coins at time of announcement, JOI received a 16x more favorable exchange rate, and keep in mind that Draco price already felt from 300satoshi to 80 satoshi at that time thanks to the bittrex delisting... Guess you still have your pre-mine in JOI that's why the special treatment.

So guys pay attention, this so called Developer job is to create token from thin air, disappear from months with no development, create hype for exciting news coming and then bend you over while he finished to dump the premine, it happened with the past projects I don't see why will not happen with that.

You been warned

The Dev of this coins is well know for his behavior but let's go thought all the phases so you can judge yourself before invest in one of his projects:

1. announced Draco swap to DTMI (Token with an higher pre-mine)
2. Draco got delisted from Bittrex
3. A swap trough C-Cex was announce
4. An unreasonable exchange rate between Draco and the DTMI was set
5. Draco got delisted from C-Cex while the information on the thread main page still talk about a swap using C-Cex
6. The website that the dev indicate in the thread (but not in the main page) to be used for the swap is down as well as the main website.

Result: DT Draco got delisted from 2 exchanges and lost something like 5900% of his value within a month.


Now he starting everything again with a new thread about DTMI , be aware and do your research so you will not end up like many that invested in DT Draco.

If exchanges de-list a currency it is at there discretion.

Secondly https://cne.drachmae.market/login.php is not down at all.

Third all old threads are locked and the last comment is the link to the new Thread so there is one central point for information.

Forth the swap via c-cex was intended but the association does not have the funds that was required to cover the fee that was discussed therefore it was decided to use https://cne.drachmae.market/login.php

If you feel it is better and more logical the whole project with DTMI can be dropped or if somebody else comes up with a better solution they are more than welcome to take it over.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2325196.msg23631741#msg23631741
157  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DT Draco, DTMI Token and Drachmae user on: October 31, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
The Dev of this coins is well know for his behavior but let's go thought all the phases so you can judge yourself before invest in one of his projects:

1. announced Draco swap to DTMI (Token with an higher pre-mine)
2. Draco got delisted from Bittrex
3. A swap trough C-Cex was announce
4. An unreasonable exchange rate between Draco and the DTMI was set
5. Draco got delisted from C-Cex while the information on the thread main page still talk about a swap using C-Cex
6. The website that the dev indicate in the thread (but not in the main page) to be used for the swap is down as well as the main website.

Result: DT Draco got delisted from 2 exchanges and lost something like 5900% of his value within a month.


Now he starting everything again with a new thread about DTMI , be aware and do your research so you will not end up like many that invested in DT Draco.

If exchanges de-list a currency it is at there discretion.

Secondly https://cne.drachmae.market/login.php is not down at all.

Third all old threads are locked and the last comment is the link to the new Thread so there is one central point for information.

Forth the swap via c-cex was intended but the association does not have the funds that was required to cover the fee that was discussed therefore it was decided to use https://cne.drachmae.market/login.php

If you feel it is better and more logical the whole project with DTMI can be dropped or if somebody else comes up with a better solution they are more than welcome to take it over.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2325196.msg23631741#msg23631741
158  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: October 31, 2017, 03:13:07 PM
DT Token Swap: 2,222,222 (40 DT to 1 DTMI) “From Pre-Mine”

Premined and to top it off a 40 to 1 swap...everyone else 64 to 1.

Bend down harder people  Cheesy

Old thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435072.0


40 to 1 is for everyone


40 DRACO = 1 DTMI

Total supply DRACO=Total supply DTMI

Basically you fucked all DRACO holders, now anyone to just breakeven DTMI needs to open at 40x the price of DRACO (where ever people bought it from).

Lets say people bought it at 100 sats, they'd need DTMI to be worth 4000 sats. Compared to JIO token if bought at 100 sats, a 4 to 1 swap so people would only need a 4x to breakeven which would be 400 sats.

The conversion ratio would of  made sense if DTMI's supply wasn't the same supply as DRACO. From what I see, this seems to be saving the suckers that got fucked in JIO and in return fucking DRACO holders now.

DTMI supply should be based on the conversion rates of both DRACO and JIO=(88,888,888 DRACO/40)+(8,888,888 JIO/4=2,222,222)=4,444,444 DTMI

But what you did which is raises flags of a 100% scam is take that final DTMI supply that should be the total supply after the swap and 40x again.

Then took the premine from that which is 10% which is 2x the real supply if all DRACO/JIO were to be swapped.

Therefore proving this is a scam with a nice pre-mine for yourself as with DRACO and JIO.

Good job with the Math would of be nice to make it less obvious.


there was an idea to create 888,888,888 and swap 1 to 1 but that did not seem very viable, also another alternative was to only have 3,333,333 as a total supply also but that would not work out either.

Originally DT Token and JIO was not meant to be part of the project but opposed to being involved in a 3rd currency it made sense to integrate them, which is proving to be a bad decision.

159  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: October 31, 2017, 03:10:27 PM
Opened a thread in the scam section.
All the users that invested in Draco please support the thread so that this person will not be albe to scam anyone else anymore.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2334591.0


Excellent hopefully that works out for what you want to accomplish?? which is what exactly?

I've posted on your thread as I agreed to support you on the topic.

160  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Digital & Distributed Technology Moldova Innovation Token on: October 29, 2017, 09:37:49 AM


Google translation
Mr. Lee Gibson Grant
DT Moldova Ltd.
372 Brighton Road,
ShorehamBySea, UK

Dear Mr. Gibson,

We hereby inform you that the National Bank of Moldova (hereinafter referred to as the NBM) has examined your letter of 21.12.2016 from the point of view of its competence and attributions and communicates to you the following.
1. Referring to the operation of a virtual exchange platform on the territory of the Republic of Moldova.
According to the Virtual Bank Opinion of 04 July 2014 issued by the European Banking Authority, the virtual currency defined as a digital representation of the value that is not issued or guaranteed by any central bank or public authority is not necessarily attached to a national currency, but is used by individuals or legal entities as a means of exchange and can be transferred, stored or transacted electronically (money alternative).
Please note that the virtual currency is not a form of electronic money within the meaning of Law no. 114 of 18.05.2012 on payment services and electronic money and it can not be qualified as "national currency" or "foreign currency" as defined in art. 3 of Law no.62 of March 21, 2008 on foreign exchange regulation.
Currently, there are no legal provisions for virtual currencies as well as activities related to their use, such as their storage, transfer and exchange, but we would like to draw attention to the fact that, in the absence of regulation and supervision of virtual currency schemes , their use presents numerous potential risks to users and participants in the scheme (merchants, exchange platforms, virtual wallet providers, etc.) as well as to ensure the integrity of the financial system, which pertains to the perimeter of central bank attributions.
According to the above, the actual activity of exchange of virtual coins does not require any authorization from the NBM, while the operation on the territory of the Republic of Moldova of an exchange platform between virtual coins, as well as between the virtual currency and the national currency / foreign currency may constitute characteristics the field of payment service provision or foreign exchange operations.
In the context of the above, in order to explain the exact nature of the operation of the platform, the NBM requests additional information on:
- the financial and information flow diagram of payments, indicating all participants in the payment transactions (payers, actual beneficiaries, intermediary participants) related to the platform's activity;
- the functionalities and services offered through it;
- observance of the provisions of Law no. 190 of 26.07.2007 on the prevention and combating of money laundering and terrorist financing, in the context of the planned activity to be carried out.

2. Concerning informing the general public about the potential risks associated with the use of virtual coins.

On July 10, 2017, the NBM published on its website a communique on the virtual currency and associated risks:
http://bnm.md/ro/content/moneda-virtuala-si-riscuri-asociate

3. On the opportunity of NBM participation in blockchain technology initiatives / projects.

The NBM is aware of the potential of blockchain technology for the financial system, including payment systems, and at the moment it evaluates the opportunity for its representatives to participate in projects organized or supported by licensed banks in the country, with the aim of channeling initiatives and efforts to research and implement technology in areas the NBM's tasks.

Respectfully,

Sergiu CIOCLEA
Governor
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