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141  Other / Meta / Re: Earning merits/smerit on: March 01, 2018, 11:00:10 AM
I think it is best to delete "merit system".
Who likes Merit?Cheesy


I hate it so much.
it's still another barrier to account farmers and discourages spamming, there's no reason to do away with it, it just doesn't work as effectively as people thought it would, from what i've been able to glean off here in the past few hours.

Is it possible to do auto ban to users sending merits to accounts under the same IP? If this is possible, it will greatly reduce merits exchange and abuse using alt accounts
along with theymos's stance on alt accounts, i dont think this will ever be a thing (especially since a lot of users might share ip addresses if they are using the same vpn server / tor node), although it would prove to be effective given that the point i put in the parentheses there was a nonfactor.

142  Other / Meta / Re: Merit system is not working, failed! on: March 01, 2018, 10:52:30 AM
The merit system have not failed. I feel if you make a quality post that solves someone problem merit may be given to you. Just make sure you work hard and obey the forum rules.
posting on a forum is work? ok dude.

When something is implemented or changed to the systematic form initially some issues will be arising. One such is the recent merit trading for the purpose of getting into signature campaign. Now, those users getting tagged will let the rest of the users understand the tragedy behind such activity.
thought this would be a thing when i read about the merit system being implemented a few weeks ago, havent really had time since then to be on the forum to see it happen though. of course, i don't know if these changes may already have been put into place, or if the system has changed, but implementing a cooldown on giving the same user merit per 24 hr period or applying diminishing returns for merit given multiple times in a given time period might prove effective to stopping this.

Wow. Just wow. Look at some people here just begging for merits just to rank. I just can’t believe it. Nothings for free now boys. Earn it, merits are like respect, if you can’t show respect, you won’t get any. So earn it bud. Earn it just like every single one of us low rankers.
it's to be expected when there's money involved, especially when third world country users starting thinking that posting on a forum qualifies as actual employment. it's no different than people farming accounts for campaigns.

For the time being, we can only say that we have not succeeded, but we can not say that we failed. After all, we still have a lot of spam restrictions. Just do not know how long such repression can last.

Hopefully once we get rid of the bulk of the spammers, their repression of the decent members will be ameliorated. Smiley
i've seen this line of thought thrown out here multiple times, but the spammers never really do stop do they? it's not going to be a problem that i think will ever get solved unless theymos starting putting down some really strict rules, which i dont believe he will do something that severe.
143  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk Running Cloudflare on: February 23, 2018, 07:55:27 AM
theymos decided to go with cloudflare as the ddos solution since his homebrew solution was no longer proving effective. he's said before in the thread announcing this change that he will gladly switch off of cloudflare if one could solve the problem.

144  Other / Meta / Re: Ability to block Personal Messages from members Newbie and Below? on: December 21, 2017, 07:00:38 PM
can we limit some of the lower ranks to be unable to send pm's to multiple users (as well as adding users to the carbon copy recipient list) at once if that's not a thing already? honestly dunno if it is or not.
145  Other / Meta / Re: Please reply on: December 21, 2017, 03:30:38 PM
maybe you can post both in same time, with ref + without ref.
no.
146  Other / Meta / Re: Ideas for improving post quality? on: December 20, 2017, 11:11:49 AM
theymos, this is a perfect example of the beast you have created by linking signatures with activity. Remove signatures from activity and this nonsense stops immediately. How can we compete against bots doing this? Currently anyone can create an unlimited amount of accounts and when users are using bots like he is to just copy a post and change a few words for synonyms it's often very hard to notice. I've just banned this account but how many others does he have doing the same? It's utterly pointless banning accounts if he's got 200 others that I've missed that will still be botting away. Things need to change. Do me favour and look into this user and just tell me how many alt accounts you can find. There are dozens upon dozens of individuals farming thousands of accounts this way and it's only going to get worse over time. The worst thing about this is once they hit a sufficient rank they can get paid by lazy ICO campaigns for merely copy and pasting and they'll never notice the abuse.
if theymos could implement a script for determining something along the lines of 'merit points' asscoated with general post quality, i wouldn't be against the idea of signatures being linked to those points instead, it would provide an initial incentive for good post quality from the start an account is created, and provide a long term incentive for maintaining a good post quality. if theymos can also implement other factors in, suchas deleted posts for not following forum rules, it'll also push members towards following the general forum rules. maybe even diminishing returns on merit points (or whatever they're to be called) can be used for people with alt accounts, or accounts on the same ip.  just some rambling thoughts.

Or just simply make a subscription fee for all the users or just for participation in spesific forum sections like the bounty and signature once. So in order to participate in a bounty or signature campaign the user have to pay some fee to the forum and those money can be ivested in moderators. The high rank members can have lower fees, higher for newbies. It's just an idea. The forum is a grate place for me and I am willing to pay what it takes to make it even better.
fee or not, as long as the spammers can still net a profit from shitposting with their 100 accounts every day, they'll continue to do so. there wouldn't be any incentive here to make better posts, since they'd pay a fee anyways. they'd make a bit less, sure, but that's not what the goal is here.

theymos, this is a perfect example of the beast you have created by linking signatures with activity. Remove signatures from activity and this nonsense stops immediately. How can we compete against bots doing this? Currently anyone can create an unlimited amount of accounts and when users are using bots like he is to just copy a post and change a few words for synonyms it's often very hard to notice. I've just banned this account but how many others does he have doing the same? It's utterly pointless banning accounts if he's got 200 others that I've missed that will still be botting away. Things need to change. Do me favour and look into this user and just tell me how many alt accounts you can find. There are dozens upon dozens of individuals farming thousands of accounts this way and it's only going to get worse over time. The worst thing about this is once they hit a sufficient rank they can get paid by lazy ICO campaigns for merely copy and pasting and they'll never notice the abuse.
if theymos could implement a script for determining something along the lines of 'merit points' asscoated with general post quality, i wouldn't be against the idea of signatures being linked to those points instead, it would provide an initial incentive for good post quality from the start an account is created, and provide a long term incentive for maintaining a good post quality. if theymos can also implement other factors in, suchas deleted posts for not following forum rules, it'll also push members towards following the general forum rules. maybe even diminishing returns on merit points (or whatever they're to be called) can be used for people with alt accounts, or accounts on the same ip.  just some rambling thoughts.

How would this work though? Wouldn't that just be gamed? People could still just copy and paste 'quality' posts in order to get merit points, right? I think it would just cause more headaches than problems it solves to be honest.

i realize that for this idea to actually work well in practice, there would have to be a lot of other additions, such as better quality control of users (which could just translate into more staff), which i could see as the biggest issue with this. it's not a great idea, but it's not the worst either. if the issue of users copy pasting posts could be handled in the first place, this idea might seem a bit more viable, but there isnt a sure way of combating that without a script in the site's server checking every submitted post for that (and this would consume way too much resources for it to be practical).

It can easily be done with bots if all they do is copy a post from earlier on in a megathread. There are numerous individuals that have been caught with hundreds of accounts and many more that I suspect are doing it that have been reported but not looked into by an admin going on all year (some use bots and others just post of copy and paste manually). One Russian guy had a little over 200 accounts and all they did was rehash their previous posts reworded slightly post after post account after account. The entire Vietnamese sub board thread had to be locked because 99% of the accounts posting in there were just copy and pasting random text from online and of course to anyone not speaking Vietnamese nobody was any wiser....until I noticed it of course. The worst thing is Sylon (the worst campaign manager on these forums despite what his avatar claims) was paying them all to do it and continues to pay spambot accounts because he never checks anyone's post quality at all.
i dont like this idea much personally, but maybe maintaining a staff - approved sig campaign manager list could be an effective measure. this would require both additional work from the staff (and probably occasional, regular monitoring of these approved users) and the staff essentially having a small link to the campaigns, which i suspect is something theymos does not want at all, but it would eliminate most spammers from even  being allowed into campaigns. i realize this isnt a great idea, or one that might even be considered, but im just throwing ideas out there.

more so than post quality, i think one of the major issues that need to be addressed first is the copy pasting; if solved, it could weed out a lot of the shitposters, and possibly make the issue of low post quality easier to solve. we really do need more mods tho.
147  Other / Meta / Re: Ideas for improving post quality? on: December 19, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
theymos, this is a perfect example of the beast you have created by linking signatures with activity. Remove signatures from activity and this nonsense stops immediately. How can we compete against bots doing this? Currently anyone can create an unlimited amount of accounts and when users are using bots like he is to just copy a post and change a few words for synonyms it's often very hard to notice. I've just banned this account but how many others does he have doing the same? It's utterly pointless banning accounts if he's got 200 others that I've missed that will still be botting away. Things need to change. Do me favour and look into this user and just tell me how many alt accounts you can find. There are dozens upon dozens of individuals farming thousands of accounts this way and it's only going to get worse over time. The worst thing about this is once they hit a sufficient rank they can get paid by lazy ICO campaigns for merely copy and pasting and they'll never notice the abuse.
if theymos could implement a script for determining something along the lines of 'merit points' asscoated with general post quality, i wouldn't be against the idea of signatures being linked to those points instead, it would provide an initial incentive for good post quality from the start an account is created, and provide a long term incentive for maintaining a good post quality. if theymos can also implement other factors in, suchas deleted posts for not following forum rules, it'll also push members towards following the general forum rules. maybe even diminishing returns on merit points (or whatever they're to be called) can be used for people with alt accounts, or accounts on the same ip.  just some rambling thoughts.
148  Other / Meta / Re: Ideas for improving post quality? on: December 18, 2017, 01:31:42 AM
honestly, i quite like both the ideas you've come up with;

1. To attain ranks above Member, you'd have to earn some number of merit points. Merit points would be awarded in a monthly vote on best posts of the previous month, with various measures (TBD) to prevent gaming of the vote. Winning merit points might also come with a BTC prize.
while the prize would give a nice incentive for post quality, i can't really picture in my head how this would work out in practice. assuming the voting would be done manually by actual people, and since merit points would have to be awarded for a large number of users (maybe the entire userbase?), id like to think some automated system would work better, with select individuals running quality checks every now and then. maybe even implement an increasing penalty to merit points for spam / off topic posts (with a 'cooldown' to reset the incremental penalties), with a temporary removal of signature privileges if they have their points go negative. not really worded that well, but just some rambling thoughts on the idea. if you could elaborate a bit how you plan to actually implement this merit points idea i'd appreciate it.

2. Create or designate some sections as "serious discussion" sections, with no signatures. In those sections or maybe in different ones, also have poster restrictions such as Member rank or above only. And/or allow topic-creators to set these restrictions on their topics, similar to selfmod topics.
i'd wholeheartedly agree to the idea of having a 'disable signatures' idea for thread starters; it'd be a simple fix for people who want an actual discussion that would eliminate a lot of spammers. however, i feel these threads would be 'covered up' really quickly by threads that allow signatures, just from the fewer number of users that would post in those threads, and would just die out real quick. a 'serious discussion' section though, would eliminate this issue, although im not sure how many people would frequent those sections enough. in addition, how many of these sections would have to be created? maybe one for every main topic as seen on the index page (one for bitcoin serious discussions, one for mining, one for marketplace, etc), but wouldn't want to flood the forum with sections that may or may not be 'dead.'

just some rambling thoughts on the ideas you've presented, but ill try to think up of some well thought out ideas in the next few days and post them here later.

also, any consideration for an account related issues section (bans, locked / hacked accounts) in meta? it seems those threads have been flooding meta quite a bit lately.
149  Economy / Services / Re: BTC-Green ICO-Ecological Community in the Green Planet|Signature campaign [FULL] on: December 16, 2017, 03:39:03 AM
ill be leaving the campaign, 30 good posts a week is a bit much on my current schedule.
150  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: $BTC can break 18000 USD within this year? on: December 16, 2017, 02:42:04 AM
$BTC can break 18000 USD within this year?
well its at 17500 right now, and plenty of people said it wouldnt even  break 10k, no reason to think that it cant.

so many holder for BTC, very hard to break 18000 USD
what makes you think there's some sort of barrier preventing bitcoin from reaching the 18000 mark? it's just a number, there's nothing special about it. nothing special about 10k, 11k, whatever. no need to celebrate every time bitcoin hits some imaginary barrier in your mind.

How do you think about breaking 18000 USD within this year?
itll be there within a few days.

151  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: how risky is day trading? on: December 16, 2017, 01:45:49 AM
I think will be more risky than before because the price of Bitcoin soar, but the level of the risk can be reduce by some strategies and trading plan, so knowledge and psychology is important to minimize the risk.
i dont think there's some sort of long term strategy you can apply to day trading, it's a simple, straightforward matter of buying some after feeling out a price hike, through general trends or whatever, then selling when the margin is profitable (fees may be associated with the exchange you use, whatever). on a day to day basis, you're not going to be looking at huge margins, maybe 1% at best over a few days on one item. however, without and reliable way to predict day to day trends, you're looking at a hefty amount of risk, which is why many people involved in day trading use carefully programmed bots to automatically sell when the margin is profitable for them.
152  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Good news from USA and Japan. on: December 15, 2017, 11:48:07 PM
Usa is selling seized Bitcoins money and converting it back to usd, this shows they are interested in the coin and will be happy to allow price hikes happen cause they'll profit a lot from sales. I feel usa shall sooner or later back Bitcoins indirectly.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/feds-moving-quickly-to-cash-in-on-seized-bitcoin-now-worth-8-4-million/?amp=1
i dont think this is really big, or indicative of anything for the matter. that's just the government liquidating valuable assets that they can't directly use. nothing to get hyped about really, in my opinion.

While a Japanese company has decided to pay part salary in Bitcoins, now how many of us wish we're part of that company don't we? Their motto to spread Bitcoins and gain more knowledge on its working that's good right for the crypto king.

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2017/dec/15/japanese-company-paying-employees-bitcoin
that's just one company, in an already bitcoin - friendly environment. and there was already a service that mediated this that existed in the states a while back, dunno if theyre still around. bitwage or something, it would allow users who opted in to get a portion of their wage from their workplace in bitcoin. don't really see any ground breaking news here, just stuff happening related to bitcoin.
153  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This is why BTC will never fail, easy peasy! on: December 15, 2017, 11:08:50 PM
That's a pretty bad commentary as to why Bitcoin is supposed to never fail. Just saying that the mining ends over a hundred years from now doesn't mean jack when the entire thing could just shut down one day if people lose interest and no-one is interested in propagating the network for that long. That sounds like what the bankers were saying before the 2008 collapse; there is no way it can fail because it's just a money printing machine. It's not like that stopped the market from collapsing in on itself back in 2008, no reason it couldn't do something like that again now.
i dont think that if bitcoin fails, it will be the result of people just losing interest; i think at this point it will take some catastrophic event to shut down bitcoin over a short period of time. and the mining won't end after the market cap is reached; the mining will continue in order to confirm blocks, and the miners will take the mining fees as a reward in place of the block reward. hopefully, by the time this comes about, bitcoin will have developed enough through numerous forks to accommodate enough transactions per block and keep the miners satisfied with the rewards.
154  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think is Bitcoin become legal in all countries? on: December 15, 2017, 12:14:09 PM
Bitcoin is legal by some countries but some countries still not accepting the bitcoin.
What you think is Bitcoin become legal in all countries?

I think in the future all of country accept and embraces crytocurrency but right now only few of country accepting bitcoin even my country not recognizr and not accepting bitcoin at telling that if you are investing in bitcoin you are going to jail because the government didnt understand cryptoworld and they are afraid to lose any of business that connected in hard money like banks so that they didn't want accept cryptocurrency.
The journey of bitcoin to the point of legally adopted as a new currency a digital currency rather is still on process. It is possible to happen that countries all over the world would legally accepted it but the refusing possibilities is also there. But if it would happen that countries all over the world would appreciate bitcoin as a legal matters then it would a great deal for a bitcoin.
its not just bitcoin's adoption that's in process, its what you could call a revolution of sorts. bitcoin is something extremely new, both in the time it has existed and as an idea. if bitcoin were to be accepted and went mainstream, it would mean the mainstream acceptance of the idea of bitcoin, and the success of bitcoin as an experiment, in my view at least. but the idea of bitcoin does go against a lot of the desires of the big banks, as they have some to lose if bitcoin were to go mainstream, and with their money, they do have a considerable amount of pull through lobbying efforts (in the US at least).
155  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Be careful, bitcoin will correct on: December 15, 2017, 12:36:22 AM
If not now, eventually.

The price is over inflated, that value has to come from somewhere. The overall economies don't just create value out of nowhere, they move it around.
If the market swells so as we have learnt from the past there will always be a correction to find market equilibrium.

I'm warning you now, as a friend. Don't be caught out when it corrects.
Draw down your stake. Leave some in it if you really want but trust be its better to be safe than sorry as it will correct and when it does if you're not prepared you will loss heavily.

Bitcoin has helped to spread wealth to those who believe in and support new technology. It is time to take that money and invest it in developments elsewhere while we still have the chance.
people said it would correct a lot a month or so ago when it was hovering around the 3000 usd mark, but here we are. and im not sure if it's apt to compare bitcoin to an 'overall economy' or whatever you were trying to say there, bitcoin is quite a special case as far as modern economics go; its unlike anything else we've had so far in history. there is a solid market cap, yet there will always be new coins introduced and in circulation as long as we don't hit that market cap. and the price rise does come from somewhere, it's called demand.

Best thing to do to avoid risk is to leave just a bit of funds in BTC, enough for you to accept in case of a huge correction. We can ride the trend again as it begins.
that's what anyone with common sense should be doing, no sense in leaving all your money in a single asset, diversify.
156  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's refusal in some countries, due to high levels of corruption on: December 14, 2017, 11:55:35 PM
Is it true, some countries that reject the bitcoin are countries with high levels of corruption? So they consider bitcoin to be a potential money laundering crime, potential illegal transactions, Violate payment system authority and undermine the system of investment activity. While countries that provide support for bitcoin is already included developed countries and has minimal acts of corruption therein. What do you think?

The reason of rejection has nothing to do with corruption. It's all about the income tax and other wealth tax that government collects from its citizens. This is the summary for me. The rest is just irrelevant.
id think it does have a bit, especially if it is in a politician's best interests to have bitcoin quietly die out, and the politicians are the ones that have the say in what becomes law. however, bitcoin's position in the tax code is both a good and bad thing; if bitcoin becomes taxable, then it has been recognized by the government as as asset or currency. on the other hand, for it to be taxed, it much be reported for tax purposes, and we'll lose some of the anonymity by having our addresses associated with out income and real life identities.

157  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin transaction cost is too high on: December 14, 2017, 03:15:45 PM
What is happening?
will it change after adjustment since the transaction cost is being affected by the crazy price rise
the price shouldn't be seen from the perspective of the dollar amount (or whatever you use) that is used for the transaction, but the satoshi / byte fee for the transaction. with the volatile price of bitcoin relative to fiat, this is the standard that keeps consistency and a quantitative, consistent metric to rate fees. that being said, the current recommended fee for a transaction seems to range around 380 satoshi per byte (as viewed on https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/ at the time of this post), which seems a tad higher than what i remember, not that i've really been keeping up with it. the fee will continually rise as the backlogged transactions increase, as people will place higher fees on their transaction to get them confirmed faster by the miners, who will prioritize transactions with higher fees (for obvious reasons, they get the reward for confirming them after all). it's a vicious cycle, and it won't really stop until the miners have had a chance to catch up to all the unconfirmed transactions on the network.
158  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Politics behind Bitcoin development? on: December 14, 2017, 03:10:46 PM
I think the person is a Revolutionary Bitcoin, who wants a Bitcoin revolution by creating a new system, which we call fork, to continue to be integrated with every development of the Bitcoin Block. Usually Voting is done by miners.

nope its done by nodes.

pools collate the data into batches. but the nodes validate and accept/reject it
would this only include the bitcoin core client or any hard wallet with the entire chain downloaded? i've understood for a while on the basics of the subject, but didn't take the time to look into this question. in addition, how do the running nodes decide on which 'side' they would choose to follow, or do they have no say in the matter, and the 'voting' is left completely to the miners? my assumption is that the nodes would choose which fork to follow by manually adding the first block of the desired fork into the folder where their blockchain data is stored, and let the client run its course, but that seems too simplistic in my opinion.
159  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins for illegal activity on: December 14, 2017, 03:21:59 AM
This is not the first time we heard this kind of things, most of the time media covers the news that Bitcoin being used for money laundry, for supporting terrorist and other bad thing, but most of them failed to notice that Bitcoin is only a medium, it's only a currency, how people used it, it's not related to Bitcoin at all, we should remind everyone to used and promote Bitcoin for positive things and media need to cover more positive side of Bitcoin
negative stigmas always have the tenancy to have more of an impact and stick around longer compared to positive news. unfortunately, most people don't have the ability to see the biased mainstream media for what it is. not to mention, negative news tends to get much better ratings than positive news, with a few exceptions here and there.

maybe the government worry if they accept bitcoin then bitcoin is just for illegal activity than for legal things. but I am sure that there are many bitcoin users that want to use bitcoin as a legal and don't want to use bitcoin for anything that could break the law. but I think not just bitcoin that could be used for illegal activity, we know that cash is the most victims for this and from the old times, cash is always used for illegal activity. and it depends on the user, what they want to do with their bitcoin.
i dont think that's the government's first worry, no matter what it is, if it has the potential to be used for crime, people will use it for crime. simple as that. it can be regulated, but you can never police bitcoin enough (or anything really) to stop all criminal activity associated with it.
160  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins for illegal activity on: December 13, 2017, 06:51:22 PM
From recent news in India it is heard that bitcoins are used to sell drugs..I know its a currency and it is also used as a normal money... but these can create a bad space in people's mind that bitcoins are used to sell drugs..so they will not use bitcoins... Conclusion is that BTC is also a currency which is having a high value in the market..and bitcoins must not be used in these illegal activity which can reduce its usage and value.
thats some great bias in your statement there. another classic of the forum. you know what else is used for illegal activities? just about every currency in circulation in the world today, precious metals and gems, computers, you name it. it's probably been used for some sort of crime in one way or another. its not as if bitcoin is the sole object of value used in illegal transactions, people can just hand each other a suitcase full of bills, diamonds, gold, whatever.

Well, it is not the problem with Bitcoin but the human involved. There are also cases whereby people buy and sell drugs or involve in any illegal activities using fiat.
exactly. as long it holds value to someone, it can be one of the objects in a trade, be it illegal or not.
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