This is the end of the BTCP. thanks to dev team for my obtained free money from this fork!
If you get the coins for free because you hold Bitcoin it doesn't matter, but I think investing in these forks is very risky. Due to the current situation, I think even stupid people will not invest in this coin. During its heyday, some us made a serious effort to warn others about this project. Weird that Rhett is continuously allowed to negatively influence ppl in this community, and no one has made a serious effort to hamper his activities. some will claim he was kicked out, but ultimately he utilized this and several other platform to fleece millions out of investors. It would be nice to see more legendary/hero/senior members making an effort to warn ppl when it really matters. however, most tend to fall in line, milk the cow, and raise their voice when the destruction is complete. Its usually the same thing, all over this forum. Yet its the same ppl screaming for broader adoption of crypto/decentralized options. |
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EXCC were transparent from the very beginning and told the public about all the changes on their part. Recall the high-rated ICOs of 2017 — homeblockcoin, unixcoin, hextracoin, regalcoin, and others. It was all scam. On the contrary, EXCC team made several products during this time. Only greater public attention is needed.
650btc is not such a big amount given the current exchange rate. In addition, the tax rate in Poland is 19%, which is 123.5btc from 650btc.
I think EXCC-XULT-DEX project is the good one, the dev team working hard in the background to deliver what it was promised.
Lol again don't try to explain a bad situation with a far worse situation like it makes the first one better. Some of us are aware of standard buidl cost and its safe to say that xult.com didn't cos more than $50k to build. So yeah i hear the excuses but if we can please get the financial to support it. regardless of where the tax was paid for example, some of us will get the validity of the info verified before moving forward. as for your comment " 650btc is not such a big amount given the current exchange rate"  that's approximately 2.5 million (yeah that's million) in this current market. |
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The update explains a lot. You dont think they had to pay taxes? Maybe Im wrong, but I would think they would have to do that.
Why do you see the 120 BTC in Taxes as a red flag? Im not a tax expert, so maybe you see something I dont here?
The update you referenced goes into detail their expenses.
The exchange seems ok to me. Why would you see it as subpar?
Its about accountability. 650BTC equates to approximately 2.5 million dollars in this current market. Its not about what either of us think. Or what anyone that just recently purchased excc might think. Its about accountability at the early stage of an exchange. this certifies that ethical business standards/protocol is been followed before encouraging others to trust them with the safety of their funds. This is a blockchain platform, the movt of funds should be on a ledger + there shld be verifiable supporting info to support it. At this stage, a blog post to explain several millions in spending without supporting proof is please do not try to explain away a bad practice with a far worse practice cos this is meant to be an exchange. From all indication, the investors that entrusted them with millions of fund were drastically impacted. They didn't invest 650 BTC for a broke platform with a 50K max buidl exchange. And that's max 50K buidl cost not value.So, without providing verifiable info to support this huge variation btw achieved roadmap to total cost, it wouldn't be safe to entrust them with more funds. I hope that answers your question:) So, there is nothing wrong with https://xult.com/ if the 650BTC allocated to create/run https://xult.com/ isn't almost gone. Where we at with the roadmap, to what is spent is  We see their post, now lets see the supporting info. Some of us will get shit verified  Ok, I took your first post as on the unreasonable side. Sorry, my fault. From my understanding, money is tight, and with all the expenses listed, it would be tight. Now that they are at a point where their resources are limited, and they are being honest about it, and acting accordingly, it seems that they havent done anything lead us to believe they shouldnt be trusted. From my understanding, they actually raised and had full control of the 650 BTC BEFORE they released their actually identities to the public. They could have disappeared easily with ALL the 650 BTC, and there would have been nothing anyone could have done about it most likely. But they did release their true identities to the public, so that builds a lot of confidence in their integrity to me. So taking this into account, along with that they have been clear in their update, as to the money that was spent, I think they have been more transparent than many of the popular exchanges people have trusted assets with. And I think the fact that they paid taxes is a good thing. All that said, I understand your frustration with everything thats happened. Things did not move forward as everyone would have hoped they would. The market crashed, Xult took twice the quoted estimate, and the marketing company didnt deliver. These are the main factors for the disappointing results. Lets not hold the Devs feet to the fire for things that were outnof their control. As they stated in their update, many established exchanges have gone under during this major market downturn, and the EXCC Ecosystem is still alive. EXCC online wallet is very nice Xchange.me is working Xult.com is working Now the Decentralized Echange wasnt supposed to come out until 2019 and may see delays on launch. Still, the Devs have everything up and running and are ready to move forward, and bulid the EXCC Community, and gain new customers at the Xult Exchange, so being a large investor yourself, it would be good to see you stand with us and help to build the community to the best it can be. I intend to build the EXCC Community, gain more investors in EXCC Coin, and help bring more customers to Xult.com. The EXCC Community could benefit from someone who is willing to ask the hard questions, and still stick with us through the thick and thin. Can I count on your support? Sure, you can count on my support when the team start providing verifiable info. i.e in what jurisdiction was 120 BTC in taxes paid, and can we get supporting info cos we would like to verify it etc. Explaining the spending of 650 BTC with a bunch of unverifiable info does not make them honest, cos they can easily write anything they want, and you as a hero member should know this. https://xult.com/ is a 50k max buidl, so how are they at a point where resources is limited? Again, i see their post, now lets see the supporting info. Some of us will get shit verified. This group received 650 BTC. The movt of funds should be on a ledger + there shld be verifiable supporting info to support it. we need that detailed financial. And plz do not try to state that so and so is also utilizing bad practice like that makes it better. This is a crowd funded project to build an exchange, and before the crowd entrust them with more money, we should see a breakdown of what they already received. So, yes excc team members made their identity public, but i believe that decision was made to facilitate a switch from a short con to a long con. Till there is verifiable proof to support the spending of 650 BTC at this early stages, i would hold on to that plausible belief. This guys do not reside in the US, UK or certain Asian countries that prosecute. If i had a penny for every public eastern European team that conned me in this space, i will have a decent amount of pennies by now. (keep in mind that my claims about a long con attempt is unverified and i will admit to that. But what we know is there is a huge variation btw where we at with the roadmap, to what is spent is and that need to be cleared up with verifiable documents/info) Again, Its not about what either of us think. Or what anyone that just recently purchased excc might think. Its about accountability at the early stage of an exchange. this certifies that ethical business standards/protocol is been followed before encouraging others to trust them with the safety of their funds. So, plz lets not deflect anymore cos their service warrants a lot of trust and before its extended, lets see the financial to support the gross mismanagement of 650 BTC. Some of us will like to get the infos verified. |
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The update explains a lot. You dont think they had to pay taxes? Maybe Im wrong, but I would think they would have to do that.
Why do you see the 120 BTC in Taxes as a red flag? Im not a tax expert, so maybe you see something I dont here?
The update you referenced goes into detail their expenses.
The exchange seems ok to me. Why would you see it as subpar?
Its about accountability. 650BTC equates to approximately 2.5 million dollars in this current market. Its not about what either of us think. Or what anyone that just recently purchased excc might think. Its about accountability at the early stage of an exchange. this certifies that ethical business standards/protocol is been followed before encouraging others to trust them with the safety of their funds. This is a blockchain platform, the movt of funds should be on a ledger + there shld be verifiable supporting info to support it. At this stage, a blog post to explain several millions in spending without supporting proof is please do not try to explain away a bad practice with a far worse practice cos this is meant to be an exchange. From all indication, the investors that entrusted them with millions of fund were drastically impacted. They didn't invest 650 BTC for a broke platform with a 50K max buidl exchange. And that's max 50K buidl cost not value.So, without providing verifiable info to support this huge variation btw achieved roadmap to total cost, it wouldn't be safe to entrust them with more funds. I hope that answers your question:) So, there is nothing wrong with https://xult.com/ if the 650BTC allocated to create/run https://xult.com/ isn't almost gone. Where we at with the roadmap, to what is spent is We see their post, now lets see the supporting info. Some of us will get shit verified |
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Ive been hired as the Community Manager for the EXCC Ecosystem here on Bitcointalk recently, so.....
@islapdonkey
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS MAKING THESE OUTRAGEOUS ALLEGATIONS, SO IT IS UP TO YOU TO PROVE IT.
ILL WAIT...
I didn't make any outrageous allegations, i was just responding to this update https://excc.co/project-update/ that 650BTC is almost gone and all we have to show is this exchange https://xult.com/ In case you unaware, 650BTC is a lot of money and the numbers ain't adding up. All am asking for is accountability. Investors already entrusted a large amount of fund to them, and we should verify that it wasn't mismanaged before encouraging others to entrust their funds with them. In case you miss the update, there you go https://excc.co/project-update/ the 120 btc for tax should be a quick one to prove |
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So, for those that are unaware, the excc platform had an ICO where they collected close to 650+ BTC to build this exchange. After several months of delay, they released a subpar version of what they promised, then made an announcement that they already blew the entire bag. So not only did they release an exchange that look like it was built for 1/16 what they collected, this guys are claiming that they already blew the entire donation. They made claims like 120 BTC for tax payment , 50 BTC for shill allocation etc lol you can read more about their ridiculous claims here https://excc.co/project-update/ So, if the goal is to encourage adoption of decentralized alts/encourage better business practice in this space, then we should make it a point to confront/eradicate this dubious characters from the space. Am sure someone will be quick to defend their terrible practice with a far worse practice like it makes the first one better. Or they will blame it on the fact the space is new and ppl are still trying figuring it out. By the way, its not hard to track a biz finance/spending on a platform utilizing blockchain. So, i have nothing against the EXCC community but as a long term investor that care about the long term health of this project, i suggest that we insist on the admin releasing the financials for the project before moving forward. Since most of the money is blown, and a lot is dependent on the investors (like marketing etc) moving forward, then it only right that we make sure the current admins deserve to reap the benefit of those hard work/should be trusted with millions of fund in their care. Quite frankly, the whole idea of decentralized/blockchain space was built on improving better business practice (i.e transparency) and encouraging adoption of DE alts to current central options. So, there is no reason to deny this or try to claim that since so and so company is also practicing bad practice and restricting info with the mass, that it should be accepted from this team. Accountability is key, cos they are trying to run an exchange which entails investors trusting them with the safety of their funds Also, an account kept yelling about companies needing to make profit on discord, so i might as well address it immediately. Well, companies need to make financial profit, after they have performed the duties of a company and earned the profit over time. They shouldn't take a significant chunk of investor's money that was given to create something and put it their pocket under the guise of needing to make profit. If that is not the case, then show us the financials, cos we funded the entire project.
So, for those stating that its in the past and we should move on, should realize that those who are responsible for that past is still in charge and will reap the benefit of all that work. Also, they will be in control of millions of fund. So, if they refuse to release the financials or it shows that they grossly mismanaged funds and pocketed huge chunks of money for personal use, then we should seriously worry above having such characters in care of people's fund. So, either we get some transparency from the admin and win some trust back, or i will keep this info in the forefront for the foreseeable future. Again i have nothing against the EXCC community, i just need to make sure the individuals in charge, deserve to be there. Its best to push out dubious character from the beginning, that how you stop a quadrigaCX/coinsmarket from occurring. Well, before you take any of the text seriously, you should go through these threads: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2779634.0 (Islapdonkey scammer, blackmailer and extortionist) and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2571714.0 (Islapdonkey Blackmail) Here's some feedback that this user has received: Islapdonkey 2017-10-31 0.00000000 Take everything this guy says with a grain of salt. Continuous serial spammer in the forum, a tumor to bitcoin itself Such drama.. Wink Same reply from other thread Quite sad, that you resulted to this, cos all it takes is just a little research. Just a little research will show that i have been exposing scammers on this forum for awhile and in attempt to discredit my account on this forum, this scam group starting creating threads with malicious info with my acct name attached to it. The admin of the site was made aware and post their research, all related accounts were flagged. The ist link is from convery who dumped on his droxne investors and tried to repeat the same act with the same coin. My dealing with the guy is well documented on this thread with extensive proof to support my statement ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2424624.msg24810549#msg24810549) even if you took the time to read the thread you posted, you will see the proof. The second link is from a scam group that i have busted at least 20 of their scam attempt, even the account that posted the comment has multiple negative score related to there dealing with me in the past. All one need to do is do a minor research to easily discredit this post but it seem like every time i make a negative comment about a project, some genius tends to default on this, without realizing that it makes them look stupid to anyone who takes the time to read thru the thread. To see a detailed list of their scam attempts that i have busted, with extensive proof, you can visit this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2386727.msg24385320#msg24385320 Also, am not even sure why you posted those thread, my guess is to discredit the guy talking negatively about your investment, without taking into account that am also heavily invested in the same project and my attempt is in the long term best interest of the project. You have a team that was given 650 btc (that's 2.5 million with this depreciated value) and they release an exchange that is subpar compared to what they promised and looks like it could easily be made with 50-100k. To make matters worse they gave some ridiculous claims for blowing the remaining funds. The same team, wants investors to trust them with the security of their fund. All am asking for is accountability with the ICO fund, to make sure this team deserve to be entrusted with investors fund, and you try to use bullshit to make me out as the bad guy. Oh well, apart from the fact that all those post have been proven false by admins on this forum, the team already stated that they blew the entire fund, so you can't use the scammers favorite excuse that am doing all this to blackmail the team. So, i will repeat this again for the vultures that only care about themselves, but this is bigger than me and you. This guys are trying to run an exchange which entails convincing people to entrust them with the care of huge amount of money, and till they can prove that they didn't grossly mismanage the funds that were already given to them, they don't deserve more funds entrusted to them. And don't try to explain away their bad behavior with far worse behavior like it makes it better or claim that this is a new space, so its hard to take account of fund in a blockchain platform. Everyone is trying to make a profit, but some things are bigger than your selfish yearn. By identifying and eliminating dubious practices in the space, we prevent another coinmarket, quadrigacx etc. |
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So, for those that are unaware, this platform had an ICO where they collected close to 650+ BTC to build this exchange. After several months of delay, they released a subpar version of what they promised, then made an announcement that they already blew the entire bag. So not only did they release an exchange that look like it was built for 1/16 what they collected, this guys are claiming that they already blew the entire donation. They made claims like 120 BTC for tax payment , 50 BTC for shill allocation etc lol you can read more about their ridiculous claims here https://excc.co/project-update/ So, if the goal is to encourage adoption of decentralized alts/encourage better business practice in this space, then we should make it a point to confront/eradicate this dubious characters from the space. Am sure someone will be quick to defend their terrible practice with a far worse practice like it makes the first one better. Or they will blame it on the fact the space is new and ppl are still trying figuring it out. By the way, its not hard to track a biz finance/spending on a platform utilizing blockchain. So, i have nothing against the EXCC community but as a long term investor that care about the long term health of this project, i suggest that we insist on the admin releasing the financials for the project before moving forward. Since most of the money is blown, and a lot is dependent on the investors (like marketing etc) moving forward, then it only right that we make sure the current admins deserve to reap the benefit of those hard work/should be trusted with millions of fund in their care. Quite frankly, the whole idea of decentralized/blockchain space was built on improving better business practice (i.e transparency) and encouraging adoption of DE alts to current central options. So, there is no reason to deny this or try to claim that since so and so company is also practicing bad practice and restricting info with the mass, that it should be accepted from this team. Accountability is key, cos they are trying to run an exchange which entails investors trusting them with the safety of their funds Also, an account kept yelling about companies needing to make profit on discord, so i might as well address it immediately. Well, companies need to make financial profit, after they have performed the duties of a company and earned the profit over time. They shouldn't take a significant chunk of investor's money that was given to create something and put it their pocket under the guise of needing to make profit. If that is not the case, then show us the financials, cos we funded the entire project.
So, for those stating that its in the past and we should move on, should realize that those who are responsible for that past is still in charge and will reap the benefit of all that work. Also, they will be in control of millions of fund. So, if they refuse to release the financials or it shows that they grossly mismanaged funds and pocketed huge chunks of money for personal use, then we should seriously worry above having such characters in care of people's fund. So, either we get some transparency from the admin and win some trust back, or i will keep this info in the forefront for the foreseeable future. Again i have nothing against the EXCC community, i just need to make sure the individuals in charge, deserve to be there. Its best to push out dubious character from the beginning, that how you stop a quadrigaCX/coinsmarket from occurring. Well, before you take any of the text seriously, you should go through these threads: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2779634.0 (Islapdonkey scammer, blackmailer and extortionist) and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2571714.0 (Islapdonkey Blackmail) Here's some feedback that this user has received: Islapdonkey 2017-10-31 0.00000000 Take everything this guy says with a grain of salt. Continuous serial spammer in the forum, a tumor to bitcoin itself Such drama.. Wink Same reply from the other thread Quite sad, that you resulted to this, cos all it takes is just a little research. Just a little research will show that i have been exposing scammers on this forum for awhile and in attempt to discredit my account on this forum, this scam group starting creating threads with malicious info with my acct name attached to it. The admin of the site was made aware and post their research, all related accounts were flagged. The ist link is from convery who dumped on his droxne investors and tried to repeat the same act with the same coin. My dealing with the guy is well documented on this thread with extensive proof to support my statement ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2424624.msg24810549#msg24810549) even if you took the time to read the thread you posted, you will see the proof. The second link is from a scam group that i have busted at least 20 of their scam attempt, even the account that posted the comment has multiple negative score related to there dealing with me in the past. All one need to do is do a minor research to easily discredit this post but it seem like every time i make a negative comment about a project, some genius tends to default on this, without realizing that it makes them look stupid to anyone who takes the time to read thru the thread. To see a detailed list of their scam attempts that i have busted, with extensive proof, you can visit this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2386727.msg24385320#msg24385320 Also, am not even sure why you posted those thread, my guess is to discredit the guy talking negatively about your investment, without taking into account that am also heavily invested in the same project and my attempt is in the long term best interest of the project. You have a team that was given 650 btc (that's 2.5 million with this depreciated value) and they release an exchange that is subpar compared to what they promised and looks like it could easily be made with 50-100k. To make matters worse they gave some ridiculous claims for blowing the remaining funds. The same team, wants investors to trust them with the security of their fund. All am asking for is accountability with the ICO fund, to make sure this team deserve to be entrusted with investors fund, and you try to use bullshit to make me out as the bad guy. Oh well, apart from the fact that all those post have been proven false by admins on this forum, the team already stated that they blew the entire fund, so you can't use the scammers favorite excuse that am doing all this to blackmail the team. So, i will repeat this again for the vultures that only care about themselves, but this is bigger than me and you. This guys are trying to run an exchange which entails convincing people to entrust them with the care of huge amount of money, and till they can prove that they didn't grossly mismanage the funds that were already given to them, they don't deserve more funds entrusted to them. And don't try to explain away their bad behavior with far worse behavior like it makes it better or claim that this is a new space, so its hard to take account of fund in a blockchain platform. Everyone is trying to make a profit, but some things are bigger than your selfish yearn. By identifying and eliminating dubious practices in the space, we prevent another coinmarket, quadrigacx etc. |
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So, for those that are unaware, the excc platform had an ICO where they collected close to 650+ BTC to build this exchange. After several months of delay, they released a subpar version of what they promised, then made an announcement that they already blew the entire bag. So not only did they release an exchange that look like it was built for 1/16 what they collected, this guys are claiming that they already blew the entire donation. They made claims like 120 BTC for tax payment , 50 BTC for shill allocation etc lol you can read more about their ridiculous claims here https://excc.co/project-update/ So, if the goal is to encourage adoption of decentralized alts/encourage better business practice in this space, then we should make it a point to confront/eradicate this dubious characters from the space. Am sure someone will be quick to defend their terrible practice with a far worse practice like it makes the first one better. Or they will blame it on the fact the space is new and ppl are still trying figuring it out. By the way, its not hard to track a biz finance/spending on a platform utilizing blockchain. So, i have nothing against the EXCC community but as a long term investor that care about the long term health of this project, i suggest that we insist on the admin releasing the financials for the project before moving forward. Since most of the money is blown, and a lot is dependent on the investors (like marketing etc) moving forward, then it only right that we make sure the current admins deserve to reap the benefit of those hard work/should be trusted with millions of fund in their care. Quite frankly, the whole idea of decentralized/blockchain space was built on improving better business practice (i.e transparency) and encouraging adoption of DE alts to current central options. So, there is no reason to deny this or try to claim that since so and so company is also practicing bad practice and restricting info with the mass, that it should be accepted from this team. Accountability is key, cos they are trying to run an exchange which entails investors trusting them with the safety of their funds Also, an account kept yelling about companies needing to make profit on discord, so i might as well address it immediately. Well, companies need to make financial profit, after they have performed the duties of a company and earned the profit over time. They shouldn't take a significant chunk of investor's money that was given to create something and put it their pocket under the guise of needing to make profit. If that is not the case, then show us the financials, cos we funded the entire project.
So, for those stating that its in the past and we should move on, should realize that those who are responsible for that past is still in charge and will reap the benefit of all that work. Also, they will be in control of millions of fund. So, if they refuse to release the financials or it shows that they grossly mismanaged funds and pocketed huge chunks of money for personal use, then we should seriously worry above having such characters in care of people's fund. So, either we get some transparency from the admin and win some trust back, or i will keep this info in the forefront for the foreseeable future. Again i have nothing against the EXCC community, i just need to make sure the individuals in charge, deserve to be there. Its best to push out dubious character from the beginning, that how you stop a quadrigaCX/coinsmarket from occurring. |
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So, for those that are unaware, this platform had an ICO where they collected close to 650+ BTC to build this exchange. After several months of delay, they released a subpar version of what they promised, then made an announcement that they already blew the entire bag. So not only did they release an exchange that look like it was built for 1/16 what they collected, this guys are claiming that they already blew the entire donation. They made claims like 120 BTC for tax payment , 50 BTC for shill allocation etc lol you can read more about their ridiculous claims here https://excc.co/project-update/ So, if the goal is to encourage adoption of decentralized alts/encourage better business practice in this space, then we should make it a point to confront/eradicate this dubious characters from the space. Am sure someone will be quick to defend their terrible practice with a far worse practice like it makes the first one better. Or they will blame it on the fact the space is new and ppl are still trying figuring it out. By the way, its not hard to track a biz finance/spending on a platform utilizing blockchain. So, i have nothing against the EXCC community but as a long term investor that care about the long term health of this project, i suggest that we insist on the admin releasing the financials for the project before moving forward. Since most of the money is blown, and a lot is dependent on the investors (like marketing etc) moving forward, then it only right that we make sure the current admins deserve to reap the benefit of those hard work/should be trusted with millions of fund in their care. Quite frankly, the whole idea of decentralized/blockchain space was built on improving better business practice (i.e transparency) and encouraging adoption of DE alts to current central options. So, there is no reason to deny this or try to claim that since so and so company is also practicing bad practice and restricting info with the mass, that it should be accepted from this team. Accountability is key, cos they are trying to run an exchange which entails investors trusting them with the safety of their funds Also, an account kept yelling about companies needing to make profit on discord, so i might as well address it immediately. Well, companies need to make financial profit, after they have performed the duties of a company and earned the profit over time. They shouldn't take a significant chunk of investor's money that was given to create something and put it their pocket under the guise of needing to make profit. If that is not the case, then show us the financials, cos we funded the entire project.
So, for those stating that its in the past and we should move on, should realize that those who are responsible for that past is still in charge and will reap the benefit of all that work. Also, they will be in control of millions of fund. So, if they refuse to release the financials or it shows that they grossly mismanaged funds and pocketed huge chunks of money for personal use, then we should seriously worry above having such characters in care of people's fund. So, either we get some transparency from the admin and win some trust back, or i will keep this info in the forefront for the foreseeable future. Again i have nothing against the EXCC community, i just need to make sure the individuals in charge, deserve to be there. Its best to push out dubious character from the beginning, that how you stop a quadrigaCX/coinsmarket from occurring. |
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Coinsmarket kept all mine.
I understand correctly that this is a screenshot of the interface of the infamous scam coinsmarkets.com? Why did you publish it here? If I am not mistaken, then they began to disappear more than a year ago, and now remembering them is just “pour salt on the wound”. It's time to forget about them, my friend! You will not rise again - if you mourn your losses all your time. Don`t give up! yeah i try to forget as they took my 120M IFLT and 2,1 M doges and 0.08BTC. So no salt for my wound please. I am sorry for your loss bro, but if you didn't learned to not keep your money on any exchange, online wallet or staking platform until now... not you have learned your lesson, unfortunately the hard way. P.S. I am not trying to twist the knife in your back, away from me this thought. Sorry, i wasn't asking for help, sympathy etc. Was just a passing thought cos if am not mistaken, IFLT had a mini pump the day i posted it |
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BTCP delisted from Hitbtc ?  If we can be so lucky! Hopeful that with time, ppl wake up and this goes the same direction as bitconnect. |
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So, for those that are unaware, this platform had an ICO where they collected close to 650+ BTC to build this exchange. After several months of delay, they released a subpar version of what they promised, then made an announcement that they already blew the entire bag. So not only did they release an exchange that look like it was built for 1/16 what they collected, this guys are claiming that they already blew the entire donation. They made claims like 120 BTC for tax payment , 50 BTC for shill allocation etc lol you can read more about their ridiculous claims here https://excc.co/project-update/ So, if the goal is to encourage adoption of decentralized alts/encourage better business practice in this space, then we should make it a point to confront/eradicate this dubious characters from the space. Am sure someone will be quick to defend their terrible practice with a far worse practice like it makes the first one better. Or they will blame it on the fact the space is new and ppl are still trying figuring it out. By the way, its not hard to track a biz finance/spending on a platform utilizing blockchain. So, i have nothing against the EXCC community but as a long term investor that care about the long term health of this project, i suggest that we insist on the admin releasing the financials for the project before moving forward. Since most of the money is blown, and a lot is dependent on the investors (like marketing etc) moving forward, then it only right that we make sure the current admins deserve to reap the benefit of those hard work/should be trusted with millions of fund in their care. Quite frankly, the whole idea of decentralized/blockchain space was built on improving better business practice (i.e transparency) and encouraging adoption of DE alts to current central options. So, there is no reason to deny this or try to claim that since so and so company is also practicing bad practice and restricting info with the mass, that it should be accepted from this team. Accountability is key, cos they are trying to run an exchange which entails investors trusting them with the safety of their funds Also, an account kept yelling about companies needing to make profit on discord, so i might as well address it immediately. Well, companies need to make financial profit, after they have performed the duties of a company and earned the profit over time. They shouldn't take a significant chunk of investor's money that was given to create something and put it their pocket under the guise of needing to make profit. If that is not the case, then show us the financials, cos we funded the entire project.
So, for those stating that its in the past and we should move on, should realize that those who are responsible for that past is still in charge and will reap the benefit of all that work. Also, they will be in control of millions of fund. So, if they refuse to release the financials or it shows that they grossly mismanaged funds and pocketed huge chunks of money for personal use, then we should seriously worry above having such characters in care of people's fund. So, either we get some transparency from the admin and win some trust back, or i will keep this info in the forefront for the foreseeable future. Again i have nothing against the EXCC community, i just need to make sure the individuals in charge, deserve to be there. Its best to push out dubious character from the beginning, that how you stop a quadrigaCX/coinsmarket from occurring. Well, before you take any of the text seriously, you should go through these threads: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2779634.0 (Islapdonkey scammer, blackmailer and extortionist) and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2571714.0 (Islapdonkey Blackmail) Here's some feedback that this user has received: Islapdonkey 2017-10-31 0.00000000 Take everything this guy says with a grain of salt. Continuous serial spammer in the forum, a tumor to bitcoin itself Such drama.. Quite sad, that you resulted to this, cos all it takes is just a little research. Just a little research will show that i have been exposing scammers on this forum for awhile and in attempt to discredit my account on this forum, this scam group starting creating threads with malicious info with my acct name attached to it. The admin of the site was made aware and post their research, all related accounts were flagged. The ist link is from convery who dumped on his droxne investors and tried to repeat the same act with the same coin. My dealing with the guy is well documented on this thread with extensive proof to support my statement ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2424624.msg24810549#msg24810549) even if you took the time to read the thread you posted, you will see the proof. The second link is from a scam group that i have busted at least 20 of their scam attempt, even the account that posted the comment has multiple negative score related to there dealing with me in the past. All one need to do is do a minor research to easily discredit this post but it seem like every time i make a negative comment about a project, some genius tends to default on this, without realizing that it makes them look stupid to anyone who takes the time to read thru the thread. To see a detailed list of their scam attempts that i have busted, with extensive proof, you can visit this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2386727.msg24385320#msg24385320 Also, am not even sure why you posted those thread, my guess is to discredit the guy talking negatively about your investment, without taking into account that am also heavily invested in the same project and my attempt is in the long term best interest of the project. You have a team that was given 650 btc (that's 2.5 million with this depreciated value) and they release an exchange that is subpar compared to what they promised and looks like it could easily be made with 50-100k. To make matters worse they gave some ridiculous claims for blowing the remaining funds. The same team, wants investors to trust them with the security of their fund. All am asking for is accountability with the ICO fund, to make sure this team deserve to be entrusted with investors fund, and you try to use bullshit to make me out as the bad guy. Oh well, apart from the fact that all those post have been proven false by admins on this forum, the team already stated that they blew the entire fund, so you can't use the scammers favorite excuse that am doing all this to blackmail the team. So, i will repeat this again for the vultures that only care about themselves, but this is bigger than me and you. This guys are trying to run an exchange which entails convincing people to entrust them with the care of huge amount of money, and till they can prove that they didn't grossly mismanage the funds that were already given to them, they don't deserve more funds entrusted to them. And don't try to explain away their bad behavior with far worse behavior like it makes it better or claim that this is a new space, so its hard to take account of fund in a blockchain platform. Everyone is trying to make a profit, but some things are bigger than your selfish yearn. By identifying and eliminating dubious practices in the space, we prevent another coinmarket, quadrigacx etc. |
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So, for those that are unaware, this platform had an ICO where they collected close to 650+ BTC to build this exchange. After several months of delay, they released a subpar version of what they promised, then made an announcement that they already blew the entire bag. So not only did they release an exchange that look like it was built for 1/16 what they collected, this guys are claiming that they already blew the entire donation. They made claims like 120 BTC for tax payment , 50 BTC for shill allocation etc lol you can read more about their ridiculous claims here https://excc.co/project-update/ So, if the goal is to encourage adoption of decentralized alts/encourage better business practice in this space, then we should make it a point to confront/eradicate this dubious characters from the space. Am sure someone will be quick to defend their terrible practice with a far worse practice like it makes the first one better. Or they will blame it on the fact the space is new and ppl are still trying figuring it out. By the way, its not hard to track a biz finance/spending on a platform utilizing blockchain. So, i have nothing against the EXCC community but as a long term investor that care about the long term health of this project, i suggest that we insist on the admin releasing the financials for the project before moving forward. Since most of the money is blown, and a lot is dependent on the investors (like marketing etc) moving forward, then it only right that we make sure the current admins deserve to reap the benefit of those hard work/should be trusted with millions of fund in their care. Quite frankly, the whole idea of decentralized/blockchain space was built on improving better business practice (i.e transparency) and encouraging adoption of DE alts to current central options. So, there is no reason to deny this or try to claim that since so and so company is also practicing bad practice and restricting info with the mass, that it should be accepted from this team. Accountability is key, cos they are trying to run an exchange which entails investors trusting them with the safety of their funds Also, an account kept yelling about companies needing to make profit on discord, so i might as well address it immediately. Well, companies need to make financial profit, after they have performed the duties of a company and earned the profit over time. They shouldn't take a significant chunk of investor's money that was given to create something and put it their pocket under the guise of needing to make profit. If that is not the case, then show us the financials, cos we funded the entire project.
So, for those stating that its in the past and we should move on, should realize that those who are responsible for that past is still in charge and will reap the benefit of all that work. Also, they will be in control of millions of fund. So, if they refuse to release the financials or it shows that they grossly mismanaged funds and pocketed huge chunks of money for personal use, then we should seriously worry above having such characters in care of people's fund. So, either we get some transparency from the admin and win some trust back, or i will keep this info in the forefront for the foreseeable future. Again i have nothing against the EXCC community, i just need to make sure the individuals in charge, deserve to be there. Its best to push out dubious character from the beginning, that how you stop a quadrigaCX/coinsmarket from occurring. |
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 I was banned for basically relaying what he told me to the public. keep in mind, a majority of comments in public were other members asking similar questions, but apparently i placed pressure on him by relaying in public that they have not plan to support those affected by that conversation. One more time for the fud selectors. If we are all pushing for greater adoption of decentralized options (which it seem they might divert from, with the whole null on tangle for improved usability quip) then we have to ask ourselves, if the affair with the anon dev, the ensuing dump, the loss from shl investors (i imagine is life changing for some) would be tolerated in a regulated space. We keep yelling about adoption without been willing adopt an attitude that brings such forth. |
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They don't look scammers because they could have gone much more earlier like during or after lats bull run. They are still working and are very active in telegram that is open truth and are delivering and improving the capacity of storage. I am not in favor of those extra token as well but what can be done if they say they need extra funds for salaries. Why there is complete silence in this thread ? has new thread been started ?
Nope, no new thread was opened and there probable won't be one. I think I heard that the team doesn't think that an own, updated thread here in BTT is necessary. Nice project then.  Always easier to silence opposition on Telegram/Discord and control, I guess. This has nothing to do with censoring or silencing opposition. They just don't value Bitcointalk that much. And I can understand them somehow. Sure it's a nice platform for a discussion but I just think Bitcointalk isn't really that important anymore. I will use your post for the cont post of that pm. When dealing in an unregulated (emphasis on unregulated) space with no liability claim extended to the participants, a smart investor will always find value in an uncensored forum/thread.  Again, if we are all pushing for greater adoption of decentralized options (which it seem they might divert from, with the whole null on tangle for improved usability quip) then we have to ask ourselves, if the affair with the anon dev, the ensuing dump, the loss from shl investors (i imagine is life changing for some) would be tolerated in a regulated space.We keep yelling about adoption without been willing adopt an attitude that brings such forth. |
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But they are not censoring anything in their telegram. I am regularly watching what is being discussed there and everyone is free to say anything. It is clear that Opacity team isn't interested in this thread anymore. This is up to people how they can keep active this thread with cons or pros comments. No one will come here to reply for anything.
I will use your comment for the ist post. At the end, you can decide for yourselves if this seem like a team that will censor info in a moderated forum. Mind you this was done in pm, so i could only imagine what it would have taken and how soon it would have taken to be banned in public, while discussing real issues in a non docile manner. 
 this was the towards the end of me explaining that it was unethical to not accept some responsibility for the loss accrued by those that purchased this token from decentralized exchanges post a snapshot that had limited announcement visibility
If we are all pushing for greater adoption of decentralized options (which it seem they might divert from, with the whole null on tangle for improved usability quip) then we have to ask ourselves, if the affair with the anon dev, the ensuing dump, the loss from shl investors (i imagine is life changing for some) would be tolerated in a regulated space. We keep yelling about adoption without been willing to the take the loss and adopt an attitude that brings so forth. |
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We all know this is not the stock market and the same rules do not apply, so you can't compare your motives to theirs. If the price of my stock fell from a count of 8 to 1 in a matter of weeks, like the price of kambria feel from 800 sat to 100 sat and its quite possibly heading to 40-50 sat in another week, then someone will have some answering to do and quite possibly end up in jail. That why those guys pull it off, and its bearable to the general public. But the idea of a company gaining 13-16 million liquid and retaining ownership of an amount more than 50% of the token they sold with zero liability to their investors, is some of that unicorn phenomenon currently happening in this space till some real regulation/enforcement is introduced.
Most don't even know a distribution is still occurring and the few that are aware don't know the token release dates. A comment was finally made on telegram today that "we will try to put together a distribution schedule" but we will see how many hrs it takes before the statement is buried with lengthy banners and filler talk.
Also, I will find it weird if apple is a new company, and when i walked into an apple store in January, they encouraged everyone to talk about the price of their new phone cos we had some sort of economics were the current price of the phone has a direct relationship to the current price of their stock. So, they intend to boost up their pre order, which translates to higher stock value.......... But in March when they were done with pre-order/collecting funds, you were banned from discussing the price of the phone with other customers in the store. You were only allowed to talk about the phone tech/aesthetics. It was done under the guise that such talk is disruptive, though it was encouraged during the pre order stage.
To make matter worse, they have a weird distribution were several million phones were distributed every month. And though apple value the phones at $100, the resale value of a brand new phone is severely impacted.
If they were done with distribution, then its a different thing.
so, yeah, if i encountered such a scenario, i will find it weird and make a note to expose the practice.
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Though the team seem to possess some sort of technical experience, potential investors should be aware that they seem to be contributing to a possible manipulation of the coin price. Keep in mind this guys already made 12 million from the ICO and still owns half of the token in existence. All topic related to price is forbidden on telegram and will lead to a ban. The community manager even banned me for a non insulting statement i made to him in PM. He claims that you not allowed to talk about price because they protecting investors from been coerced by price discussion and that the sec could monitor the thread and they will get into trouble for letting investors talk about price I swear to have received/kept this comment on pm
Again, take it from someone who has already recorded a significant loss from the project, the project still has a long way to go down. Make sure, to investigate the coin release schedule and don't hesitate to repost any info that u believe might be useful to other investors on here, cos on telegram, if the message is not a sill/ paints the project in positive light, they will ban the member that created the post, then delete or bury those info with several pages of banner I am sorry that you feel that way, but as we discussed, the Telegram channel is not a place where we want people screaming and shouting at each other over price, screaming "buy" or "sell." Kambria is a utility token focused on bring real value to the robotics and AI space. Your statements are completely baseless. With less than an hour of research, you can see that what we are building is very real (and tangible), with many evidences to support this. You were banned for your constant rudeness. It's not like it happened once or twice. It is all the time. It's fine to have critical thoughts, but when you continuously say things in a toxic manner, and it happened over and over and over again, and you know exactly what I'm talking about. There is nothing wrong with wanting to protect our community from all the noise about buying and selling, as many people use this as a manipulation tactic. We did not say you can't ask about token distribution details. We simply said we don't want price discussions in our channel any longer, and that didn't sit well with you so you are launching this attack with multiple account to create trouble unnecessarily. We are not your enemy. We just simply cannot allow that discussion to continue in our channel any longer. We must protect our ecosystem and the people within it, and despite your claims, there were far more people complaining about all the price talk than there are now complaining that we no longer allow it. We can't make everyone happy, but in given the chance to stop people who are cluttering the channel, using it as a means to fulfill their own personal agenda, we are opting to disallow it. There is an Unofficial channel that you can discuss price in all you want. Here is the channel: https://t.me/joinchat/IJwtwhWeIn0whWrbeJw1Ew
Lol! so, we can discuss the price all we want before buying (shit during the ICO, 70% of the conversation on the thread was about the price but it wasn't an issue cos you were luring ppl to buy the token) but soon as you make a purchase, you are discouraged to talk about the price of your INVESTMENT. You are banned from talking about the price of a product you purchased, on its official channel with 6300 members (the channel were 99% of investors land when visiting a forum related to the project) rather you should use some unknown channel with 44 members that most are unaware of. A get an honest and strong sense of transparency from that.
I will repeat this comment just to drive my point home " Did you allow comments about token price during ICO? (its trading significantly below ico price(i wonder who let in the noise)) or was price discussion also banned on telegram during ICO? was the stance null during ICO?
And i love how you care about your investors so much that you protect them from sensitive topics about price discussion but spend no time addressing the few reason that negatively impact the current value of the token. Such as the decision to utilize the most horrible distribution method i have ever encountered, and the info is not readily available or immediately buried soon as it is posted (like i and several have mentioned, if those info were readily available like your multitude of banners that litter and hide real info on telegram, and individuals talking about the possible effect of the release on price weren't banned, most of us wouldn't have invested in this platform till you done with your terrible distribution method. it took me reading back almost a week, just to see that info and weirdly those accounts quit posting comments after that.
By the way, i never made a statement about the project not building a real product, rather i stated that you guys were possibly manipulating the price of your own token, completely different stance. But from our interaction on pm, am not surprised that you got confused/misunderstood the comment and came out swinging on the wrong ticket (as for the naysayers, i bought this at 300 sat, its currently hovering at 100 sat, so i can't sell and go away, but while am still an investor in this project, i intend to publicly speak on all BS associated with this project)
As for me been toxic and rude, if you could JUST COPY AND POST ONE SINGLE COMMENT TO SUPPORT THAT STATEMENT AND I WILL PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND ALL THE TEAM MEMBERS. And in case you have forgotten, i still have a copy of our pm, where u explicitly stated i wasn't been insulting or rude and the only reason to warrant a ban is my decision to cont talk about the price of a project that am heavily invested in (am sure you remember the pm were you tried to claim that people couldn't talk about price cos the sec might monitor the thread and you could get into trouble with sec for letting ppl talk about the price of a token that they purchased) yeah i saved the pm, and can post it, to dispel any bs quip (like the toxic/rude comment) you might throw my way.
All one needs to do is visit their telegram, and its littered with post telling individual that a solid buy wall is currently present and this is a time to buy. Those comments are not deleted, neither are the member responsible for it, given any warning/banned but when you create a similar counter post telling ppl that millions of coin will be released in a few days, and the buy wall is minuscule to support such a huge token release, those comments are immediately deleted or buried with several pages of promo banner, and more than likely will result in a ban if the comment is repeated. So i will repeat it again, who is really manipulating who?
This coin did not fall from 800 sat to 100 sat and then heading to 40-50 sat in about a week+ cos ppl saw comments on telegram. Rather its hiding info/banning members who are not cuck to a useless rule, that has lead several to invest, based on a miscommunication. And i personal think that's the current intention of this team.I am not going to keep arguing with you. You have been in every channel, under different aliases, saying the same thing on repeat. We asked you to stop talking about the price, and you kept doing it. In DM, you told me that despite us asking you to stop, that you have 90 accounts, and that you are going to keep doing it anyway, and that if you get banned, you get banned, but you would "make sure it gets talked about." So, I banned you. Telling someone that their rules mean nothing and they are going to keep breaking them IS disrespectful in itself. In addition, your tone is constantly toxic and harmful to the community. We've had many complaints about not only the price discussions, but you and your antics in particular, so we did what we felt was best for the community as a whole. Yes, we post a lot of banners, articles, and content. This will be the first time I have heard it used in a negative light. All of the information that you are complaining about was readily available before you purchased KAT. Nothing has changed since before you bought. You are upset because of the price, and are looking for a reason to blame. The distribution was talked about NONSTOP prior to your purchase at 300 sats. In fact, it was basically the only thing that was talked about. Distribution is still talked about regularly. If you would have "not bought" due to the distribution schedule, then all you would have had to do was scroll up a few hours worth of conversation (if that). We also ask those who are screaming "buy" to stop as well, and yes, I have removed TONS of these comments. We don't want people screaming "sell" OR "buy" in the channel, and yes, I do encourage anyone reading to join the telegram and verify if you see it littered with "buy" comments, as this is infactual. You bought KAT, and we do appreciate the support, but just because you hold KAT tokens, does not mean you get to dictate our community rules. You have your thoughts, and you have that right, but you should stick to the facts. Team tokens are locked for two years, so no, it is not us "manipulating" price, as you have asserted (without any factual basis). I am not going to feed you any longer with this back and forth. First of all, i should state that when you made upwards of 12 million dollars from an ICO and technically still control over 50% of the token in existence, comments like "team token are locked for two years" holds almost no value. I will repeat something i already state in the unofficial but real channel, "Banning price talk while you still distributing tokens, goes against ethical economics" A platform looking out for the interest of their investors wouldn't do that, just like they wouldn't ban price talk during an ICO. So, when you done with the sneaky weird distribution, discussion about price can be banned. till then, the only way for a new investor to know about your economic side will likely initiate thru discussion about price. i never made any complaint about the tech, staff etc but from an economic standpoint, this particular rule/stance exudes suspicion. As for my baseless comments, its just as valid as your predisposed comment that everyone with interest in price discussion (especially during the distribution phase) is only interested in manipulating the price. |
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Though the team seem to possess some sort of technical experience, potential investors should be aware that they seem to be contributing to a possible manipulation of the coin price. Keep in mind this guys already made 12 million from the ICO and still owns half of the token in existence. All topic related to price is forbidden on telegram and will lead to a ban. The community manager even banned me for a non insulting statement i made to him in PM. He claims that you not allowed to talk about price because they protecting investors from been coerced by price discussion and that the sec could monitor the thread and they will get into trouble for letting investors talk about price I swear to have received/kept this comment on pm
Again, take it from someone who has already recorded a significant loss from the project, the project still has a long way to go down. Make sure, to investigate the coin release schedule and don't hesitate to repost any info that u believe might be useful to other investors on here, cos on telegram, if the message is not a sill/ paints the project in positive light, they will ban the member that created the post, then delete or bury those info with several pages of banner I am sorry that you feel that way, but as we discussed, the Telegram channel is not a place where we want people screaming and shouting at each other over price, screaming "buy" or "sell." Kambria is a utility token focused on bring real value to the robotics and AI space. Your statements are completely baseless. With less than an hour of research, you can see that what we are building is very real (and tangible), with many evidences to support this. You were banned for your constant rudeness. It's not like it happened once or twice. It is all the time. It's fine to have critical thoughts, but when you continuously say things in a toxic manner, and it happened over and over and over again, and you know exactly what I'm talking about. There is nothing wrong with wanting to protect our community from all the noise about buying and selling, as many people use this as a manipulation tactic. We did not say you can't ask about token distribution details. We simply said we don't want price discussions in our channel any longer, and that didn't sit well with you so you are launching this attack with multiple account to create trouble unnecessarily. We are not your enemy. We just simply cannot allow that discussion to continue in our channel any longer. We must protect our ecosystem and the people within it, and despite your claims, there were far more people complaining about all the price talk than there are now complaining that we no longer allow it. We can't make everyone happy, but in given the chance to stop people who are cluttering the channel, using it as a means to fulfill their own personal agenda, we are opting to disallow it. There is an Unofficial channel that you can discuss price in all you want. Here is the channel: https://t.me/joinchat/IJwtwhWeIn0whWrbeJw1Ew
Lol! so, we can discuss the price all we want before buying (shit during the ICO, 70% of the conversation on the thread was about the price but it wasn't an issue cos you were luring ppl to buy the token) but soon as you make a purchase, you are discouraged to talk about the price of your INVESTMENT. You are banned from talking about the price of a product you purchased, on its official channel with 6300 members (the channel were 99% of investors land when visiting a forum related to the project) rather you should use some unknown channel with 44 members that most are unaware of. A get an honest and strong sense of transparency from that.
I will repeat this comment just to drive my point home " Did you allow comments about token price during ICO? (its trading significantly below ico price(i wonder who let in the noise)) or was price discussion also banned on telegram during ICO? was the stance null during ICO?
And i love how you care about your investors so much that you protect them from sensitive topics about price discussion but spend no time addressing the few reason that negatively impact the current value of the token. Such as the decision to utilize the most horrible distribution method i have ever encountered, and the info is not readily available or immediately buried soon as it is posted (like i and several have mentioned, if those info were readily available like your multitude of banners that litter and hide real info on telegram, and individuals talking about the possible effect of the release on price weren't banned, most of us wouldn't have invested in this platform till you done with your terrible distribution method. it took me reading back almost a week, just to see that info and weirdly those accounts quit posting comments after that.
By the way, i never made a statement about the project not building a real product, rather i stated that you guys were possibly manipulating the price of your own token, completely different stance. But from our interaction on pm, am not surprised that you got confused/misunderstood the comment and came out swinging on the wrong ticket (as for the naysayers, i bought this at 300 sat, its currently hovering at 100 sat, so i can't sell and go away, but while am still an investor in this project, i intend to publicly speak on all BS associated with this project)
As for me been toxic and rude, if you could JUST COPY AND POST ONE SINGLE COMMENT TO SUPPORT THAT STATEMENT AND I WILL PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND ALL THE TEAM MEMBERS. And in case you have forgotten, i still have a copy of our pm, where u explicitly stated i wasn't been insulting or rude and the only reason to warrant a ban is my decision to cont talk about the price of a project that am heavily invested in (am sure you remember the pm were you tried to claim that people couldn't talk about price cos the sec might monitor the thread and you could get into trouble with sec for letting ppl talk about the price of a token that they purchased) yeah i saved the pm, and can post it, to dispel any bs quip (like the toxic/rude comment) you might throw my way.
All one needs to do is visit their telegram, and its littered with post telling individual that a solid buy wall is currently present and this is a time to buy. Those comments are not deleted, neither are the member responsible for it, given any warning/banned but when you create a similar counter post telling ppl that millions of coin will be released in a few days, and the buy wall is minuscule to support such a huge token release, those comments are immediately deleted or buried with several pages of promo banner, and more than likely will result in a ban if the comment is repeated. So i will repeat it again, who is really manipulating who?
This coin did not fall from 800 sat to 100 sat and then heading to 40-50 sat in about a week+ cos ppl saw comments on telegram. Rather its hiding info/banning members who are not cuck to a useless rule, that has lead several to invest, based on a miscommunication. And i personal think that's the current intention of this team. |
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