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14381  Economy / Invites & Accounts / Re: PBmining account 1000GHs 0.7BTC Brand new contract. on: December 14, 2014, 07:38:45 PM
I think they actually collapsed last week. It appears that you purchased at the worst possible time :/
Hopefully you were able to withdraw some kind of earnings. I doubt anyone will buy it for any meaningful amount.
...I won it (ssshhhh). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=792178.300
14382  Economy / Invites & Accounts / Re: PBmining account 1000GHs 0.7BTC Brand new contract. on: December 14, 2014, 07:04:27 PM
I think they actually collapsed last week. It appears that you purchased at the worst possible time :/
14383  Other / Meta / Re: Questions for CanaryInTheMine on: December 14, 2014, 06:20:24 PM
I have to agree with the whole AM thing..all the investors are bashing anything not AM/AMHash. It seems like Canary adds a ridiculous amount of people to his trust network. I wonder what % of all depth 2 trusted people come from his list?
66% most of them are on default trust list because of him alone
14384  Other / Off-topic / Re: Giving out loans on: December 14, 2014, 06:30:17 AM
trolling?
14385  Other / Meta / Re: Trust vocabulary on: December 13, 2014, 08:56:24 PM
Go to your trust settings and add their username to your trust list (it is the box that most likely only has DefaultTrust listed) and click update.

Giving positive feedback does not automatically add someone to your trust list.
14386  Economy / Invites & Accounts / Re: Senior member account on: December 13, 2014, 08:06:51 PM
i could offer 0.05 though you would have to pm the username if it has no loans taken
Ignoring your very low price, it is very risky for the OP to give up the username like this. It would be better if the OP were to have escrow check for outstanding loans prior to giving a potential buyer access to the account
14387  Other / Archival / Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns on: December 13, 2014, 07:40:03 PM
how do i join and which is best?
If you post a lot, pick Pocket Dice, if you do not, pick Cryptomine.io, if you post over 50 posts a month, or FortuneJack if you don't. How to join said campaigns is in their threads Wink

BIT-X.com pays out much more than any of the above Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877765

Ok I'm tired of this guy's bullshit...

marcotheminer has been running a Signature Campaign Scam for a long period of time...

He applies to be the escrow and Signature Campaign Operator of multiple Signature Campaigns and plays it out until no one is applying anymore or the Signature Campaign dies.

Then while people are still in the Signature Campaign but he doesn't feel like continuing it because people are losing interest and dropping from it like flies he hops to another Signature Campaign to Operate it and every time it has a slightly higher amount per month because the new Website / Service has to compete with the previous highest priced Signature Campaigns he was Operating.

This guy is a complete tool and I highly recommend avoiding any Campaign he has anything to do with.

Please negative rate marcotheminer and I hope I made it aware to you what his true intent is.

I'll be going through all his Alt Bitcoin Talk accounts to show you how many times he's been doing this.
I don't think he is scamming personally. I may or may not be wrong on this, but even if he does run away with the campaign funds bit-x will likely make good on the payments. They seem to have a large marketing budget (they already spend 30+ BTC on forum advertising).

He has spent a long time on here, has multiple business ventures that would likely be ruined if he did pull a scam like this.
14388  Other / Meta / Re: Questions for CanaryInTheMine on: December 13, 2014, 07:37:10 PM
From what I said about a potential improvement for how trust should work:

there should be limits as to how many people can be on your trust list if you are on level 1 default trust. This will prevent the privilege of being on default trust being given out as a "thank you" for your customers.

There should be different formula for calculating positive trust if multiple people give trust feedback that are not trusted by different people. For example if everyone that gives you positive trust are all trusted by badbear then each additional trust rating by someone on badbears list should count for less while someone on theymos' list would count for more. You should not be able to receive "green" trust unless you are trusted by people that are on at least two different trust lists.
-snip-

This isn't really applicable as many persons don't add people who are in Default Trust list to their trust list unless they're making a custom one with depth 0.

   ~~MZ~~
No this is applicable unless they do the above. For example CanaryInTheMine's trust rating will not be affected by anyone that is on his trust list and no one else's. If you were to receive 20 positive trust ratings, all by people who are on CanaryInTheMine's trust list and no one else's then my trust score would not turn green until you received a positive trust rating from someone who is on someone besides CanaryInTheMine's trust list.
14389  Other / Meta / Re: Questions for CanaryInTheMine on: December 13, 2014, 07:21:40 PM
....
I was pointing out a possible flaw in the current system.
Did he add you after or before you left the feedback?

It is not a flaw , I think we can send also a feedback without complete a deal.


The flaw is that by adding you to default list he increased his own trust rating.

This has nothing to do with you.

This. A flaw in the system would be that one in the DefaultTrust list could essentially increase his own trust by adding people that gave him trust outside of the list to his own trust list.
From what I said about a potential improvement for how trust should work:
there should be limits as to how many people can be on your trust list if you are on level 1 default trust. This will prevent the privilege of being on default trust being given out as a "thank you" for your customers.

There should be different formula for calculating positive trust if multiple people give trust feedback that are not trusted by different people. For example if everyone that gives you positive trust are all trusted by badbear then each additional trust rating by someone on badbears list should count for less while someone on theymos' list would count for more. You should not be able to receive "green" trust unless you are trusted by people that are on at least two different trust lists.
-snip-
14390  Other / Meta / Re: Questions for CanaryInTheMine on: December 13, 2014, 07:07:44 PM
Its a self feedback loop which is increasing CanaryInTheMine's trust rating.

For instance, redsn0w sent a positive rating today

Quote
CanaryInTheMine 150: -0 / +331(331)   2014-12-13   0.00000000      
I trust CanaryInTheMine , he is an honest an reputable user!

CanaryInTheMine added redsn0w to his list which resulted in another trusted feedback for him. I think this is a flaw in the trust system which leads one level 1 member to improve his trust rating.
I think this is clear trust padding on CanaryInTheMine's part. I have always had reservations about redsn0w, but would not go as far as to say he is planning any kind of long con, but would also probably take his trust reports with some level of a grain of salt. I don't think it is appropriate for him to be on default trust.

If he wants to make a scam report then he can open a scam accusation, like I am sure he knows how to properly do. IMO this really should be the way to stop a scam in it's tracks as it is a way to give much more evidence and public discussion about a potential scam
14391  Other / Meta / Re: Trust vocabulary on: December 13, 2014, 06:57:20 PM
I've been thinking about adding a feature where once you give someone a positive rating, you'll be asked if you want to add that person to your trust list, and doing so would also remove DefaultTrust from your trust list if you haven't edited it previously. I'm worried that this will just make everyone appear to have negative trust for most users, though. I'm not sure that the Trust system is powerful/correct enough to handle the errors that most people will make in choosing who to put on their trust lists. Ideally, the ratings you see should be correct as long as most of the users in your trust list are not totally evil/incompetent and at least a few really know what they're doing. Certainly this wouldn't have happened before, but maybe it would now due to the untrust feature. On the other hand, I think that there are only a few people on the forum who actually know how the Trust system works, and I'm not sure how likely they are to be widely trusted under this "auto-trust" system.

it's a very good idea to expand the numbers/membership of default trust, the larger it is, the more robust it will be.  a larger group will be more effective at taking action on scams... a small default trust group can not keep an eye on everything that goes on on the forum as it relates to rooting out scams.

Not if they have little to no credibility or little to no traceable trading on these forums.

IMHO : It is not really necessary to have trades on this forum, they may be trusted in any other places. So person in DefaultTrust list believe that he/she will do what is right/necessary if he/she is added to the list.

   ~~MZ~~
They don't need to have actual trades, but they need to show some level of trustworthiness. The person putting someone on their trust list should have a good reason to believe they will make accurate reports only when appropriate.

Being on default trust list is very powerful, even if this power is revoked, the power can still do serious damage up to the point the power is revoked.

The whole point of having default trust and default trust list is to have a trust network that can be relied on by people who do not otherwise know who is safe to trade with.
14392  Other / Archival / Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns on: December 13, 2014, 06:50:49 PM
MILLIONSBTC.COM (Thread)
Payment period: Weekly or bi-weekly or a month
Minimum posts: FM:25 ; SM:35 ; H&L: 40 ; Staff: 50 per period (week)
Payments: FM:4 bets ; SM:6 bets ; H&L:8 bets ; Staff: 10 bets per period  (week)
Escrow: None
Miscellaneous: Max participants : 150 participants , OP will give a promotion code , campaign start from 17 th. TRY to post in in gambling section, bitcoin discussion, beginners & help! SPECIALLY! Do not post so many posts on a few days, post consistently. Those who post the majority of their posts in a few days and then stop posting will have denied payment.Posts made in this thread or any other signature campaign threads do not count. Constant low quality posts in the alternate cryptocurrencies and local boards will result in denial of payment.Must be in English (feel free to still post in your language! They just won't be paid).
I don't think bitcoininformation will include campaigns that do not pay in bitcoin. (except for silver wallets, but that is a good exception)
14393  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BEWARE OF Raveldoni/SamTseudo on: December 13, 2014, 06:48:13 PM
Why does it matter whether he is the original or bought an account? The issue was giving false trust to himself.

It would certainly disprove the accusation that Raveldoni is no longer the original owner of the account.
Some people are able to provide the private keys when accounts are sold.

The real issue in my eyes is the fact that he was trying to act as an escrow service when doing so is not appropriate. There are many warnings out there that say to use escrow, but a newer user may not know who is and is not appropriate to use as escrow.

Why is it that you suggest people to use escrow, and when you give specific recommendations you choose people who have a very long history of trading (with many successful trades)? The answer is because those particular people have the lowest chance of scamming.

Using the same logic, someone who is somewhat "trusted" but has a less extensive trade history has a higher chance of scamming but the chance is still generally low. Going further down the spectrum, someone who has virtually no trade history and is trying (or offering, or accepting a request to) escrow will almost certainly scam.
14394  Other / Meta / Re: [REPORT] ~ Please *stop* this user on: December 13, 2014, 01:13:09 PM
As much as I wouldnt mind that account being banned (along with 329392 others), its not a solution.

The real problem is that people are getting paid for signature campaigns. As long as that is allowed, we will be flooded by nonsensical spammy posts from a bazillion alt accounts, contributing nothing to the forum and burying worthwhile post under a pile of garbage,  both to boost their post count and to increase their (per post) sig campaign payouts.
Your arguenrny is invalid in both this case and in others. In this case it is invalid because he is paid a fixed rate if he makes no posts or 1,000 posts.

In other cases your arguement is invalid because campaign operators have an incentive to stop spam because spam with their campaign is not effective advertising.

The op is probably right. I saw (and stopped at) 4 pages of nothing then one liners of useless posts
14395  Other / Meta / Re: Requesting theymos to remove CanaryInTheMine from DefaultTrust on: December 13, 2014, 06:48:00 AM
Going back on topic - it appears that Chris_Sabian was recently added to CanaryInTheMine's trust list. I noticed because as of when this thread started Mabsark has zero trust feedback, however he now has a positive report from both CanaryInTheMine and Chris_Sabian. I had noticed that Chris had given Mabsark positive feedback a few days ago, but it was showing as 'untrusted'

When I look at the Hierarchical view of the default trust network, I see that he is roughly in the middle of his trust list, that appears to otherwise be in roughly the order that people were added in. It also appears that KaChingCoinDev was recently added to the bottom (last active November 10 2014), as well as sjc1490 who appears to have given Canary feedback several months ago, along with FACTOM which I have no idea why he is on his trust list as he was registered ~a month ago with 7 posts and no trade history.

I am not 100% sure on the above three (although if they were previously on his trust list, their position was recently moved, because I know that suchmoon was ~the 2nd from the bottom. I do know for certain that Chris_Sabian was not on default trust network previously
14396  Other / Meta / Re: Questions for CanaryInTheMine on: December 13, 2014, 05:41:41 AM
+1 on this.

Many of the people on his trust list should not be on the default trust network, which is giving them power that it is not approbate for them to have.

One thing to add is that you (CanaryInTheMine) recently removed someone from your trust list because they made an off the cuff response to an off topic thread saying they might sell their account in the future. I would say that the majority of the accounts above are potential accounts that could be sold in the future, some with the possibility that their owner has no idea of the power they hold and are selling.
14397  Economy / Lending / Re: I want a loan for 50-200 BTC -- major asset issuer on: December 13, 2014, 05:12:02 AM
Correct me if I am wrong (with documentation of course) but I don't think there is anything in the NXT protocol that forces someone to have something of actual value to back any assets issued in the NXT marketplace. If you are the one issuing such assets then there is nothing to force you to provide any kind of actual value for such assets.

I would think a more appropriate warning would be to say that all collateral must be held by a trusted escrow, however I would think that someone with 50 BTC worth of crypto assets would probably already know this. Your post implies that you would be willing to send 50 BTC of collateral to a lender directly for a loan of similar size. Most scammers would be more then willing to do this, but never fund the loan, however if the collateral does not have any actual value (meaning there is a liquid market of willing/able buyers to convert the collateral to BTC) then it would mean nothing if/when a lender tries to scam you because they would have just stolen worthless collateral.
14398  Economy / Invites & Accounts / Re: Selling bitcointalk.org accounts *updated Dec 7 on: December 12, 2014, 08:42:01 PM
just curious do you also buy accounts? or no?
I have in the past however I am really not in a position to be buying accounts now.
14399  Economy / Lending / Re: I want a loan for 50-200 BTC -- major asset issuer on: December 12, 2014, 07:46:28 PM
Are you able to offer actual NXT as collateral?

Not for the amounts I want to borrow, no. Any free NXT is being used to get in on the referral program with my supplier before it closes on monday. I have SOME nxt, in the form of SafeHash, but no not nearly enough to cover even 50 btc.

If you are familiar with me or my funds or take a look at what I'm doing in NXT it should be pretty obvious that I'm not going to rip someone off for 50 BTC.

Plus I would absolutely LOVE to have trust feedback for 50 risked BTC on my profile. Take a look at my feedback sent, I take a lot of calculated risks around here, it should be obvious I am not trying to scam people. Dunno.
if you were able to provide 120% of the repayment amount worth of NXT as collateral then I would be willing to lend up to 5 Btc. I am somewhat skeptable though as you do not mention escrow until the lender isn't set up to receive NXT. (I of course accept escrow)
14400  Economy / Invites & Accounts / Re: FS:: legendary account, on: December 12, 2014, 05:27:58 PM
Yeah, 'green' trust is more valuable and merely being on default trust doesn't really mean much by itself, but a person in control of the account can use it to bolster his alts with feedback (and also leave negative (but abuse this way will likely get you removed from it if it's unjust)).
To most people being on default trust is in itself a stamp of being able to be trusted (even though it was not designed to be this way) in some people's eyes.

I think it does walk a fine line to advertise a default trust account like this but there are non scam reasons to buy an account like this.

Edit: I think most people would consider giving your competition to be scamming
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