Thanks Alan, your point about virus just getting keys from RAM makes sense. Presumably, what you suggested would provide similar benefits as the dynamic keyboard gives you, which is producing a "code" which doesn't have repeated characters and which does not have the equivalent of "shift" presses. My point is that the dynamic keyboard achieves that for you.
That being said, I think it would be much easier to pick symbols from a paper and input them then using a dynamic keyboard.... I'm not sure I see the difference. I'm using a 80-character alphabet of "symbols" to represent my password (they just happen to be the same symbols I have on my keyboard). And I'm displaying those symbols on the screen. The downside is those symbols are chosen by the user, and have this "shift" key artifact that reduces entropy if someone measures the shift key presses. And if they have lots of duplicate characters. But those "weaknesses" are solved by the dynamic keyboard. I think the only difference is what it "looks" like. And in the end, using my way (dynamically-changing keyboard), the person still has the option to type it in if they don't really care. Ah, the difference is that it's easier to input with keyboard than with mouse.  |
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The presumptousness is deliberate. I seriously hope you're right and get me to eat my words.  I wasn't calling you presumptuous for assuming I'd sell. I was calling you presumptuous for assuming that I gave a fig about fighting some ideological war against fiat to begin with. But thanks for wishing my discipline well. Oh well, if bitcoin is to win any war, it wins by design, not by ideology, like how you have put it, because it's better for a number of jobs. And I wasn't saying fiats are going to die, just that the monopoly of money will be over if bitcoin goes mainstream. |
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those filthy, worthless pieces of green, red, blue papers, coming straight our of the factories of Ben and his pals around the world, which you have so far loathed and despised. You will forget about the plan of liberating money from the monopoly of governments and banks, like you have never believed in such an idea. Such presumptuousness. Don't put words in my mouth. I think cryptocurrency is a game-changer. I think it's a better tool for certain jobs, technically speaking, than the national currency and banking system. That doesn't make me a revolutionary. I have no particular ideological desire to dismantle Gold Man-Sacks, or the Fed for that matter. My current strategy dictates that if the USD/BTC exchange rate were to go to $1000, I would sell about half of my speculation purse. My non-speculative purse, meanwhile, would continue to be used for BTC-denominated goods and services. That's not selling out. That's sticking to the plan. And if there is a crash, it means I'll be the strong hand into which the weak hands sell. And if there isn't, I still have substantial BTC holdings, ready for things to proceed. The presumptousness is deliberate. I seriously hope you're right and get me to eat my words. |
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Ummm....okay?
This may be true if we hit 1000 tomorrow.
It will not be true if we hit 1000 a few months from now. Many people will have sold by then. Many MORE people will have bought in by then. Many people will have just started investing at 500, 600, 800, 999.
Don't mess around with that number, it's the substance that matters here. The substance here is that the claim is the same we've always heard. The answer to the claim is thus: it's a false claim. It's more of a challenge than a claim. I am looking forward to the day when bitcoin price reaches $1,000/10,000, and you still hold those shiny coins in your hand, and show them off to me, you don't need to attach a digital signature, the fact that you will still visit this forum and remain bullish will probably be proof enough. I am serious. |
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Ummm....okay?
This may be true if we hit 1000 tomorrow.
It will not be true if we hit 1000 a few months from now. Many people will have sold by then. Many MORE people will have bought in by then. Many people will have just started investing at 500, 600, 800, 999.
Don't mess around with that number, it's the substance that matters here. |
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The price ever goes to $1000.
No matter how you have vowed you will never sell.
You will exchange most, if not all of your bitcoins for those filthy, worthless pieces of green, red, blue papers, coming straight our of the factories of Ben and his pals around the world, which you have so far loathed and despised.
You will forget about the plan of liberating money from the monopoly of governments and banks, like you have never believed in such an idea.
I know, I know, you need the money to start a family, you want to give your kids a better education, you have wanted that car for a long time, you can finally set your parents up...... I understand, I totally understand.
Just don't overestimate yourself.
You know who can cause a crash? Not some evil manipulators, you will cause the crash.
No, no need to prove to me anything, prove to yourself.
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Trolol I thought gox had "fixed" this.
they aren't deploying the announced change until april 17th. i don't know about anyone else, but it's the 9th for me.  Interesting, so that will in fact test the "lag is preventing the price from crashing" hypothesis. I still prefer the "nerds remortgaging their houses are preventing the price from crashing" hypothesis. Despite all the trolling I did in the past that isn't so far from the truth, except they aren't really nerds. Only something that are falsifiable can become truth. |
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Thanks Alan, your point about virus just getting keys from RAM makes sense. Presumably, what you suggested would provide similar benefits as the dynamic keyboard gives you, which is producing a "code" which doesn't have repeated characters and which does not have the equivalent of "shift" presses. My point is that the dynamic keyboard achieves that for you.
That being said, I think it would be much easier to pick symbols from a paper and input them then using a dynamic keyboard.... |
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 Notice how the slope of the exponential is only just now reaching the 2011 bubble slope. That bubble took us up over another order of magnitude before popping. So if this is a short-term bubble there is at least a precedent that it would pop near $1,000. I don't think we will reach $1000 before some huge swings(something would be considered "crash"), it ain't so easy for everyone to become rich. |
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Trolol I thought gox had "fixed" this.
they aren't deploying the announced change until april 17th. i don't know about anyone else, but it's the 9th for me. Interesting, so that will in fact test the "lag is preventing the price from crashing" hypothesis. I still prefer the "nerds remortgaging their houses are preventing the price from crashing" hypothesis. |
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I just spent an hour and half on the highway stuck in snow, so forgive my repeating of old news....
HOLY CRAP! BIDS HIT 13.5MIL! HOLY CRAP! ASKS AT 35k! HOLY CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP.
Obviously it's just thousands of nerds remortgaging their houses to buy bitcoins.  Nerds don't have houses. They remortgaged their parent's basement. You are right, if they had remortgaged their houses, they would not have an address to fill into the verification form, but if it's their parents' basement, they could still sleep in the toilet after all. |
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I just spent an hour and half on the highway stuck in snow, so forgive my repeating of old news....
HOLY CRAP! BIDS HIT 13.5MIL! HOLY CRAP! ASKS AT 35k! HOLY CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP.
Obviously it's just thousands of nerds remortgaging their houses to buy bitcoins. |
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Piper67 is like a 3 year old pointing and shouting bear, bear, BEAR!  What you don't get is: I made money, regardless of what the price does, that's what is important. Like I said, ruffled. I wouldn't call 10x roi ruffled. If you think you deserve to make 100x, good for you Then you should know well enough that to earn fiats, you don't need to sell any bitcoin after all? And by the way, I always wonder why do you keep fooling around in the speculation subforum, since you admitted you were all out a long time ago?  I had those in LTC at the time. OK, whatever that "those" is. |
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Piper67 is like a 3 year old pointing and shouting bear, bear, BEAR! What you don't get is: I made money, regardless of what the price does, that's what is important. Like I said, ruffled. I wouldn't call 10x roi ruffled. If you think you deserve to make 100x, good for you Then you should know well enough that to earn fiats, you don't need to sell any bitcoin after all? And by the way, I always wonder why do you keep fooling around in the speculation subforum, since you admitted you were all out a long time ago? |
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It is easy in hindsight to make fun of him. But he did take a profit and although he missed out on a lot of upside, he can be called profitable.
People probably would not make fun of him, if OP was not making fun of those still holding like a mo-fo in the first place. You sold and take profits that's fine, but what's the point of making a thread to brag about it and tease all those didn't? |
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Where have your screen keyboard posts gone, etotheipi? Anyway here is an idea, how about the kind of trick implemented by banks: produce an encrypted wallet and a list of symbols using a passphrase, print out the list in paper, each time when the user wants to access the wallet, he is prompted to pick a certain series of symbols from the paper, what do you think?
What do you mean? It's one page back: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56424.msg1761230#msg1761230As for your idea: I think there's some good ideas out there, but I think they're not much benefit over the existing version. Yes, you can make it harder it for someone to share their passphrase if you use symbols, or textures, etc. But I don't think it's worth the effort. With my limited time, I have to pick and choose my battles wisely, and I don't think that one is one I want to battle  Well, what I actually meant is it maybe effective against the keyloggers, seeing that you are actually interested in doing something with that. |
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No, obviously the bears were right, the price is pushed up by Gox, so there will only be lag when it's crashing down.
So in fact they have been always right with the price as well, it's just Gox's foul play ruined their plan. They've posted publicly as to the cause of that and will be addressing it by the end of next week. Stop slandering our primary trading platform and educate yourself. PM me to sell you a sarcasm detector, BTCs accepted. |
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Where have your screen keyboard posts gone, etotheipi? Anyway here is an idea, how about the kind of trick implemented by banks: produce an encrypted wallet and a list of symbols using a passphrase, print out the list in paper, each time when the user wants to access the wallet, he is prompted to pick a certain series of symbols from the paper, what do you think?
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Ugh, looks like the lag games are gonna start early. It's become so predictable that I am starting to find it hard to believe it still works.
There's zero second lag right now. Lol, it did recover. Color me impressed, though I do suspect that MtGox saw my post and decided to make me da fool and put a little RedBull into the hamster's water bottle. No, obviously the bears were right, the price is pushed up by Gox, so there will only be lag when it's crashing down. So in fact they have been always right with the price as well, it's just Gox's foul play ruined their plan. |
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This is nothing to be excited about if you're interested in the long term success of bitcoin. This just means that the coming collapse will be even more catastrophic. The higher the price goes, the less likely this project will survive the collapse.
If it's a 90% drop like the last bubble we'll still be at $20. All good. All good for you, but a catastrophic loss for most everyone else, and it will turn potentially millions of people off this idea. Those millions of people would not have cared about this idea if the price had not risen this far, you're a delusional alpaca. |
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