In fact more than cringe, I start thinking "forget it, if that's the main driver of Darkcoin, count me out".
Completely fungible money is a unversal right for everyone which should never be taken away. You should be very proud of the fact that you are actively contributing in a community that is gifting something to the world which will benefit 100% of society by improving productivity. 100% is one-hundred-percent, good and bad. What they choose to do with it is up to them. If you can decide WHO uses it and for WHAT, then you are back to square one with an opportunity for centralized authoritarian control, social engineering, and worse. let me ask you this: If Darkcoin's unversal fungibility spurs economic growth that eventually amounts to us becoming a space-faring race with 25 colonized planets and 500 billion humans, but the same 10~15% of that population uses drugs or does nefarious things, is that still unacceptable to you? What I'm wanting us to be consciously aware of is that if people post on these forums along the lines of "Yeah, cool.....it's Silk Road Relaunched and SR version 3, 4 and 5 where we're gonna shine....once the dark markets get hold of DRK this thing's going to the moon!" it will eventually be picked up by someone on FOX or CBS or NBC as their pet "exposing the drug financiers" feature series and a ridiculous leap of ignorance will result in some outlandish mainstream reports tarnishing us with a brush of untruthful notions such as "Apparently they built this anonymity specifically for the drug market..." The result will be all of us will end up under enormous scrutiny. Evan will be hit from all angles and pilloried as "the drug coin crypto king" and all manner of "PR crisis" style attack activity will eventuate (this may sound alarmist but I can clearly see it happening). So when I said about "I'm standing by for a barrage of libertarian rhetoric" what I'm talking about is the "libertarian purest" style of argument that happens again and again on forums like this (which I'm not suggesting for a moment you're engaged in) that upholds valid points about the technology and "freedom" but forgets about the practicalities of finding a measured pathway through all of this that offers the least amount of compromise while ensuring we don't get hammered and "taken-out" before we've had the chance for the mainstream to even be introduced to the notions of "privacy as a right" and fungability being probably the most important attribute of sound money. I'm wanting us (and Evan and the Darkcoin Foundation need to weigh in on this to establish a modus operandi of sorts) to all think about how, as a community we can prevent the fanboy excitement from seeping out everywhere if DRK gets picked up by the dark markets in a big way and how we can stay "on message" as to what's really important about DRK's anonymous attributes and why they're fundamentally good for all. There's a battle looming and we need to be savvy and very aware of how all the good that's been done here will get twisted and abused in an attempt to sully the good names and reputations of the very fine people involved. It's going to require commitment to a series of clarifying messages to help keep us from being seen as the facilitator of an even worse drug market than what already existed via the original SR and an avoidance of constant suggestions of things being "really great" because we're being adopted by dark markets. Great discussion. I've been often accused by my friends as someone who sees the world in black and white terms, neglecting all the shades of gray in between, but the big picture to me seems to be crystal clear as black and white indeed. We are the Overlords' enemies. If one would read / listen one of the rare renegades from their world, Gore Vidal, one will have gotten the scope of "their" sheer hatred for the "common man". After all, this is why "they" kill all over the world and send "our heroes" to kill and die for their profit. But this is an old adagio about the psychopaths on power; so you are either "with me our against me" regarding that notion. What I truly believe in is that "they" would kill Jesus H. Christ should he dared to return and, say, run for the U.S. president, because peace, freedom, privacy, democracy, all that bullshit the people all over the world had been dying for for ages means nothing to them - everything we do, including posting in some forum, is an act of an "enemy", us, their enslaved citizenry whose ONLY purpose is to serve as consumers of their shit and cannon fodder for their wars. So, Darkcoin - in its core, a cryptographic protocol and as an asset it is also our property. And "they" are known for having gazillion ways to take away our properties (through inflation or confiscation, for example) as well as our freedoms. We have foundations to defend ourselves in the very Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), a declaration adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1948 at the Palais de Chaillot, Paris that, in its Aritcle 17. Proclaims: (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. Herein lies our defense, not in our paranoia or real, founded fear from "them" and their future actions. Darkcoin - and what it represents - should, IMHO, exist in a parallel world we are creating, along the side of "their" fiat, "their" media etc., and if it would offer a better solution, the people will accept it. If not, it is doomed. But as much as a private, "organic" farm can live in the middle of nowhere, unmolested by Monsanto, the Darkcoin might end up living in its own niche, among us who'd in what might not be such a distant future, exchange it for our good, services etc. We will co-exist, in these two worlds, peacefully I hope. And if the police has right to compound a car used for drug dealing it would have the same right to seize Darkcoins used for the same purpose. But, they will not close the Ford Corporation down, so they should not be able to close The Darkcoin Foundation, or to go all over the world to seize 2100 ++ Masternodes because some criminal had used its asset. Our message should be clear, granted, but if some "funboys" as you call them hopes to get a financial boost out of their DRK investments, why would we worry about it too much? The Darkcoin inventor and The Darkcoin Foundations (I am a proud member of it) have clearly stated the Darkcoin is NOT meant for the illegal purposes and no one of us would be supporting any illegal use of it. But if someone wants to fight to legalize drugs and pays for the promotion with Darkcoins, it is their right as much it is their right to use the U.S. dollar, BTC, DRK or an used Vespa to buy (illegally) their own drugs. None of my business. |
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Love those instamined shoes he's using there   -- "attention to detail" must be a part of your CV -- |
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Heavy DRK buying going on at these levels now, I think we have found a new base...
Difficult to know, but it certainly seems like you might be right Bought some more yesterday and tomorrow, once my BTC purchase clears, buying more. At these levels it seems so cheap... |
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soon(tm) ;-) rumours say instantx is to be released first :p I am on a chocolate rush so several DRK's went your way as a smallest of smallest tokens of support. (and I love the rumor ) |
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Well said Strix - I've sent you 1 DRK to help towards your goal :-)
WOW!!! Thank you my friend--you are very gracious! Like I said--What a community we have here--I am humbled to be a part of it, and hereby commit to send my first 10 masternode payments to members who find themselves in the same situation I am now. (Given the way the price is headed, and my expected arrival time, I hope I will be giving away several thousand dollars worth.  ) Such a commitment is worthy of support so another 2 DRK just went your way |
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Somebody has been busy setting up some masternodes today Total Masternodes: 2083 = 2083 actives + 0 inactives [1824 unique IPs] (Last refresh: Mon Feb 02 2015 21:18:19) Estimated daily payout for an active node (blocks with MN payments last 24h: 94.04%): 0.46 DRK/day (Last Refreshed: Mon Feb 02 2015 21:18:16) I am curious to see how the "market forces" would play out here - once the number of MNs renders the payouts (almost) unprofitable... (my "profit", the profit in brackets for I have my Masternode as a token of support for Darkcoin; I myself could not care less does it make the money or not, is at 8.5 DRK per month; 0.46 DRK/day x 30 days = 13.80 DRK per month - 5.3 DRK for MN operator = 8.50 DRK monthly) |
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You're pessimist. 0.1 minimum ;-) Dream world! :9 Before I went all in into Darkcoin I made a following calculation (mind you, I do NOT see DRK as a shadowy proposition at all) * 22.67% of the world's economy is shadow economy; * if Bitcoin is (controlled) and DRK not; if 100% of all legal transactions are made in BTC, 22.67% are still left for DRK * on May 29, 2014, DRK = $10.96 vs. BTC = $614.38 * on May 29, 2014 DRK / BTC 0.01811 * on May 29, 2014 BTC MC is $7,885,362,984 * on May 29, 2014 DRK MC is $47,580,747 * DRK / BTC MC ratio is >>> 0.603405919 ( on May 29, 2014) * if DRK goes to parity of 1 DRK = 1 BTC, DRK MC would be 2667567714 * 1 DRK = 1 BRC gives DRK MC of >>> 33.82923029 % of the BTC MC * 22.67% shadow economy vs. 33.83% max MC ratio ~ DRK = 0.80 BTC is kind kind of a max value for DRK * 4,450% growth in DRK price, or 44.50 more than today is possible |
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drk on rise again? after short brake?
Someone buying a lot. I would assume an insider. Buy and hold? Should be easier to pump compared to LTC. Everyone trying to buy LTC when DRK is the coin to be in. yes, it's a darkcoin insider. He also has a website to track every single step of evan's progress. i have hacked it for you. https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/commits/v0.11.1.x  A+ |
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There is a Chinese site that claims to be the Asian branch of Darkcoin and is trying to scam people by selling Darkcoin. I'm not sure how big it is because we've only receive a few reports, but please help by reporting them to google so they are not indexed any more. We need as many reports as possible. The site is: http://www.darkcoin.companyTo report it to google: https://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/bump that Google Safe Browsing: Report Sent (they might be outright criminals and not strictly a phishing site) I am very happy to see such vigilance. |
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Sweet and about the bloody time |
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Mario Müller, another shiny pearl in the Dark. Welcome! |
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Here we go again - Bitcoin. The bears are back smashing it down.
This might be where we go to $99.
$99.00 again? Don't you think this is a bit too optimistic? If this thing goes below $200.00 again, I'd be buying, and if it goes below $120.00 I am selling all I have to buy even more. And if it goes to $99.00 I will send you one DRK as a token of penance for I do not think you'd be right this time  |
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What do I need to type in mac masternode wallet just to see my own masternode IPs and not the whole list? I wanna check if they are active but don't wanna search them out of 2000 nodes. Thanks.
Find your MN IPA @ https://drk.mn/masternodes.html and say, if it is 178.33.98.89 copy it / your own IP into this line: https://drk.mn/?mnregexp=(178.33.98.89)#mnlistdetail and voila!, you have it All thanks for this go to flare. That would be Elberethzone's work! You have a field where you can drop in your IP to search it, but this website is not the "law", but a bloody great tool. Another way to use it though, as described is to use only the first 6 letters of your 1k address. In fact, you can add multiple addressed and then bookmark that page, and check on your earnings every day. For example, lets say you have 3 MN, it would look something like this (fake addresses, so dont bother checking this example) https://drk.mn/?mnregexp=(XolssL|XyppvY|Xy12FY|Xwv2Vs)#mnlistdetail I stand corrected. The website is, indeed, elbereth's https://darkcointalk.org/members/elbereth.175/ -- what I meant to say is that Flare showed me how to check out my own MN... and that was the method I shared so happily given what n00b I am |
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What do I need to type in mac masternode wallet just to see my own masternode IPs and not the whole list? I wanna check if they are active but don't wanna search them out of 2000 nodes. Thanks.
Find your MN IPA @ https://drk.mn/masternodes.html and say, if it is 178.33.98.89 copy it / your own IP into this line: https://drk.mn/?mnregexp=(178.33.98.89)#mnlistdetail and voila!, you have it All thanks for this go to flare. |
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i just registered and sent 10€ to test it... i see 9.1 € on account i changed all that for btc, went for withdraw and voala! Note: For security reasons, the first withdrawal of bitcoins will always be delayed by 48 hours. and yea max € is 80 to deposit, now its 70€ ... is this 24 limit'  i can imagine how much fee it will take if weselldark is sometimes cheaper than VirVox |
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*********** Philosophical Alert **************
A 20 second clearing time will just look like a toy.
I concur that you're brilliant and many of your musings I neatly put in my local documents for a future use -- but I just wanted to chime in re: Instant X observation. In our time of instant gratification, a short attention span, a need for emergency (or normal) transactions abroad etc., real time texting etc., I would not deem a fast, reliable clearing time as a toy, rather as the necessity of the times we live in. Snail mail was as reliable as the slow banking transactions, but is almost entirely replaced (in P2P communication) by an instant e-mail et.al. My 2 cents. Shrug them off at will and keep posting |
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Oh, we're back! Hello everyone!?!?!
One addict here -- waiting for the others... |
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You beat me to the quote Tante--and yes I think you should be scared. 3rd rule of warfare--Never underestimate the enemy. When looked at from this perspective, DRK's chance of long-term survival, as it stands is 0, and anyone who does not see this is indeed underestimatiing the enemy. I am counting on Evan and the Dev. team to up the odds by changing the " as it stands."  Every coin of DRK which I manage to aquire is testament to the fact that I think Evan and the Devs have a chance of success. But consider the implications of the following article: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/world/asia/nsa-tapped-into-north-korean-networks-before-sony-attack-officials-say.html. While the battle lines are not exactly the same, there is much overlap. Basically we are betting that the DRK devs are working on a par with the top national security agencies in the world. This may sound bleak, and it is--but it is not hopless. Evan's recent hint that the masternode network needs to be living on top-of-the-line secure hardware, shows me that he at least has an inkling of what he is up agains. My suggestion on DCT that the foundation invest in large ins. policies has been pooh-hooed, but it is not fearmongering, It is a stealy-eyed evaluation of what is to come... or have none of you followed the Snowden Saga?  What I take as positive from this discussion is that it's now visceral: we are the enemy of our adversarial government(s) only because we want our rights, like privacy, our "unalienable rights to be free". Herein the struggle will take place, in the human consciousness - are Googles, Apples and Facebooks of this world, helped by the industrial-spying-military-complex they helped grow - going to take away our humanness or not depends only on us. " Without a global revolution in the sphere of human consciousness, nothing will change for the better in the sphere of our being as humans, and the catastrophe toward which this world is headed -- be it ecological, social, demographic, or a general breakdown of civilization -- will be unavoidable." Václav Havel, Czech President Addressing the U.S. Congress in February 1990. Very appropriately, the change of human consciousness does not seem to be coming from dewy-eyed oming and other mantras, but from the cyberspace (damn, does anyone uses that term anymore) and the lunatic fringes, fringes that are so beautifully displayed in the development of this community. I made my choice - I want my Darkcoin investment to grow in the future, but my investment is primarily my statement. If they mange to shut us all up (unlikely) and we end up "loving the Big Brother" and all my fiat would be gone with the alt-currencies demise, at least I will have made a statement: I choose Darkcoin because I want to be free. |
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