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1541  Economy / Economics / Re: Are electric cars bad for the oil industry? on: December 31, 2017, 05:17:10 PM
Title.

So. Electric cars are gaining in popularity, therefore the popularity of gasoline will be going down. Won't the price go down, leaving the oil industry in trouble?
For me, Yes off course are electric cars bad for the oil industry and that is because electric cars dont use allot of oil you know so they need allot less then before. So when everybody is going to use electric cars it will be very bad for the oil indutry ..
Bad for the oil industry as well as in the government as we all know the impact of Oil Industry in each country especially in middle East where in a lot of company were built because of them, when it happens that there is discovery or invented that does not need Oil then Middle East will be in trouble/crisis.

Saudi Arabia is introducing a 5% VAT next year to help stabilize their budget due to all the lost income from oil production. So it's clear that the low oil prices are having an impact on their ability to run their country, and it will continue to be a problem as world oil consumption slows and starts to drop in the coming years. Electric cars will account for a large percentage of lost oil consumption.
1542  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin the next big thing? on: December 31, 2017, 05:11:16 PM
Bitcoin isn't likely to be the next big thing. By all appearances, Bitcoin is on the wane and other alts will replace it as more useful, faster, and cheaper alternatives. Right now, Bitcoin is at capacity and the mempool is overflowing with unconfirmed transactions. This has pushed the transaction fees through the room which makes Bitcoin rather worthless for commerce. On top of that, the solution being worked on is the Lightning Network, which is a centralized system that takes transactions off the blockchain in order to free up capacity. So essentially, the solution to Bitcoin's problems is for Bitcoin to stop being decentralized and start being centralized? In 2018, I'm looking for Ethereum, Ripple, and Bitcoin Cash to likely pass Bitcoin in market cap as people flee BTC for more useful and cheaper cryptos.
1543  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Reality of Ripple - centralized or decentralized? on: December 31, 2017, 05:04:53 PM
Ripple has been around for years and always been in the top 5 of cryptos yet I have no idea what its purpose is.

I need to do some research into that.

All I know is it is related to banking/banks in some way.
Same thoughts which back in the past i dont really bother about that Ripple thingy on what are the things that is useful on it but as majority being said here specially to those who are really cryptoenthusiast this thing is really centralized which investors do have involvement with banks or any other centralized instutions which means price might be affected or somehow can be manipulated.

Ripple is a coin which was invented for the banking usage and it was accepted by more than 500 banks all over the world so it maybe controlled by the banks so it is not decentralized coin.But people are investing on ripple due to the recent price bump but in future the riplle price will crash more so it is better to stay away from ripple and better to invest on ethereum or litecoin.

Ripple will likely prove to be more useful than Bitcoin in the long run. Bitcoin's network is crippled by capacity issues, and the plan to "solve" it is the Lightning Network, which is a centralized system run off the blockchain. That is, the proposed solution to Bitcoin's network congestion is for Bitcoin to be less like Bitcoin and more like Ripple. So any criticism of Ripple in that regard is hypocritical because Bitcoin will soon be employing the same tactic. Second, Ripple was created to utilize Blockchain to solve issues banks face in value transfer, and it is already backed by some of the largest financial institutions in the world. It's the implementation of blockchain's potential, just without the bloat and expense of running it on Bitcoin's woefully inadequate blockchain. In a comparison of which system is better, Ripple will prove superior, and I expect Ripple and other alts to eventually pass Bitcoin in marketcap as Bitcoin continues to fail at what it was initially set up to do, and perhaps as soon as before the end of 2018.
1544  Economy / Economics / Re: What will happened to bitcoins after one died? on: December 31, 2017, 04:57:01 PM
Who owns the bitcoin after someone died?  How to state this in the will? Please share your thoughts.

There will have to be some mechanism of estate planning involved to make sure the wealth stored in crypto is accessible to heirs. It's the same thing with cash, if you hide cash somewhere any nobody knows where it is when you die, there's no way to recover it and it's just lost. Crypto owners who intend for their heirs to have access to whatever crypto wealth they own upon their death will need to plan ahead to ensure it's accessible, because it won't be otherwise.
1545  Economy / Economics / Re: Stock market vs. Bitcoin??? on: December 31, 2017, 04:53:24 PM
In stock market, it is either you get scammed or get secured in profit from your investments. The duration that you might be required before you get your profit might take long depending on how the company you invested operates their business. In Bitcoin, the security is the risk due to its price randomly making a partial increase and decrease due to volatility. But its security is still profitable like it can be your short term investment or long term investment and expect a lot of profit from both strategies.

Stocks are a legal ownership of the business you hold the stock for. Bitcoin is merely a speculative asset that produces no income, produces no profit, and is only worth what everyone else agrees it is. That makes Bitcoin's value arbitrary and dependent on things you have absolutely no control over. By contrast, while stocks also are somewhat dependent on a consensus for value, they have an inherent value as well because they represent a legal ownership in a business that produces income and profit. There's no question as to what the safer investment is, and it's not Bitcoin.
1546  Economy / Economics / Re: panic selling on: December 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
What if somebody will make a huge dump and sell it all the way to earn some profits because of this rally in bitcoin,and someone sees it and do that same thing. Is there any effect on bitcoin when someone to this,?
I buy bitcoin then one day goes down my money gets wrecked

This is the reason why you need to look in the price since bitcoin is so volatile and it is all depend on the law of demand and supply, since a lot of people sold their bitcoin at the price of $19K, the price is now having a dip and now at $13.5K. But as far as I know, the price usually goes up after this kind of dump, maybe there are other things that the price is staying at this price.

The danger in expecting this as a rule is that when it doesn't happen, everyone who thought Bitcoin always had to go up after a fall will lose a lot of money for their foolish expectations. Nothing in the world is guaranteed to go up in value, so why people think Bitcoin is a special exception continues to baffle me. People are so wrapped up in their emotional attachment to Bitcoin that they ignore how poorly the coin actually functions these days. The mempool is overflowing with unconfirmed transactions and fees are averaging $35 now to get your transactions through. How on Earth is this an improvement from fiat, or an economical way to transfer value? Perhaps Bitcoin never recovers to a new high at this point because the coin is not competitive to all the alts that do a better job at being Bitcoin than Bitcoin itself. I believe 2018 has a decent change of a flippening. As to what coin that will be, I don't know. Ethereum and Ripple are good guesses, and Bitcoin Cash is a good third alternative. But I will be surprised if one year from now Bitcoin is still the largest crypto by market cap.
1547  Economy / Economics / Re: Amazon and Bitcoin on: December 30, 2017, 08:34:18 PM
I don't think amazon will accept btc .in the past amazon used to accept btc and later they stopped due to the change in the market value.

I don't remember Amazon ever accepting Bitcoin. Perhaps you're thinking of Overstock? Overstock accepts Bitcoin still. Amazon has recently registered several crypto-related websites, but there is no additional information about the plans there. If Amazon does accept Bitcoin, I find it more likely they'll use it to lure in consumers who are inclined to pay with it (although, with $35 transactions fees, who is going to shop with Bitcoin for everyday purchases?), but it's more likely than not that Amazon will use an intermediary to process transactions and forward the proceeds of sales on to Amazon in fiat and not retain any crypto themselves. Amazon announcing Bitcoin would drive the hype cycle even higher for Bitcoin, but I don't see it having any practical impact outside of hype.
1548  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin regaining dominance. on: December 30, 2017, 05:35:24 AM



The continued drop indicates that money is flowing into alts faster than Bitcoin. One way to look at this is that there are over 1000 other alts, and for Bitcoin to be holding this level of dominance is fairly impressive. The other way to look at it is that Bitcoin is not providing the solutions or usability (read: scalability) that the market desires, and people are voting with their dollars for more worthy replacements. That's what I'd be worried about as a someone who believes that the current BTC price is sustainable. I haven't seen any good arguments for that in light of the overly congested network and unjustifiable transactions fees. There are cheaper, faster, and more scalable alts on the market right now, making a flippening all the more likely as Bitcoin continues to fail under network stress and becomes less competitive day by day to more nimble alternatives.
1549  Economy / Economics / Re: panic selling on: December 30, 2017, 05:22:48 AM
I think some of the newcomers are just afraid of losing their money. They thought when in bitcoin they will just make profit and not getting a loss.
This is an extremely accurate statement. Many people invest in crypto because they are introduced and they think that it will not be risky, so when the fluctuations happen they are very bewildered and sold off all to get back their capital.

FOMO is driving a lot of this mania. People see (or more likely, they THINK they see) everyone else making tons of money on Bitcoin and crypto, and they pile into it with no regard for how it works or what determines the price, and that's not a sound basis for making an investment decision. That's a classic action in a bubble. People losing a lot of money is the only thing that restore sanity to all this has become.
1550  Economy / Economics / Re: Cashless society on: December 30, 2017, 05:18:23 AM
Have you ever wondered how would the world's economy be like in the future as a cashless society?

Perhaps, with the increased traction of blockchain acceptance nowadays, could lead to the creation of digital fiat currencies powered by blockchains that are managed by governments themselves. With this in mind, there would be no need for physical cash, as digital fiat currencies would provide many advantages such as quick settlement, global payments, full transparency, implants use on citizens to make payments, and more.

If this becomes a reality, which I'm sure that it will, it would radically transform our lives for the better and reduce criminal activity as a result of the full transparency and auditability that a digital fiat currency would have thanks to the power of the blockchain technology.

Also, it makes me wonder if cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin would exist by that time, or will they co-exist with digital fiat currencies.

Nevertheless, I would like to know your opinion about this.  Wink
cashless society is indeed are the future of how we doing the trAnsaction. but obama once said how can crypto be transparant when there is a private key that hold coin anonymously. its like a bank swiss he said. maybe if there is a altcoin that perfectly match the gorverment needs that can help them watch. our money so the cashless society would be came true

It's transparent in the sense that everyone and anyone has the ability to see the ledger and verify that transactions have taken place or that certain addresses hold the funds they maintain they do, and that proof of ownership or control can be published and independently verified. Also that the source code is open source and verifiable. Transparent doesn't mean that anyone can see who is making transactions at all times, which is also true of cash, which is anonymous in nature, so there's no real change there. In theory then, Bitcoin is an improvement from cash because it is more transparent in how it is created and who controls the creation of it, and there is no discernible difference in the anonymous nature of the transactions than there is from cash.
1551  Economy / Economics / Re: A Global Recession on: December 30, 2017, 05:09:45 AM
Global recession is imminent.

In some regions, rent prices look like this:



Wages around the world, look like this(flat line):



(The only ones receiving wage hikes are one percenters, elites and the wealthy.)

It doesn't take a genius to figure out inflation has outpaced wage growth over decades. Inflation outpacing wage growth causes rent and food prices to increase faster than consumers ability to pay for things.

This instability and imbalance leads to unsustainable economies across the world, which in turn leads to recession, stagnant markets, weak job markets, poverty, class warfare and other negative implications.

Wage growth is higher than inflation currently. If that's one of your determinants for an impending recession, the conclusion doesn't follow because the premise is false. The scenario isn't as great as it could be if places like the US weren't revamping their tax codes to allow the ultra wealthy to pay less taxes through pass through entities, but it's certainly not the impending disaster you make it out to be based on one of the limited data points you're using to support the conclusion.

Oakland rents shouldn't be construed to be more than a local issue because the factors affecting the housing and rental prices there (Silicon Valley driving the prices) do not exist on a large scale elsewhere.




1552  Economy / Economics / Re: Largest bubble ever? Only the fourth so far! on: December 30, 2017, 04:47:58 AM
There are two bubbles, and don't confuse them. Crypto as a whole is definitely in a bubble as everyone has lost their minds over blockchain and anything crypto-related (see all the public companies invoking blockchain without real business plans and their stocks explode anyway). Bitcoin itself is a bubble within the world of crypto. The Bitcoin bubble can pop without the over all crypto bubble popping, for example if everyone decides to "diversify" out of Bitcoin and into alts, the crypto bubble itself can still grow while the Bitcoin bubble pops.
The whole craziness actually started when people were just seeing bitcoin as their consolation to wealth rather than looking at the main thing that makes it what it is. The bubble just popped and it is crazy because no one knows how long this shit is going down now and it is even affecting the whole market.

People have not gotten scared yet, we will see how much those who think they have gotten quick access to wealth will start shivering now. We really need that sanity back.

Falling from 19,000 to 12,000 doesn't suggest to me the bubble has popped, especially if it recovers somewhat right after. This looks like a correction with a dead cat bounce. I don't know if there is a technical definition of a bubble popping, but to me I would say that a bubble popping would need to be at least a 75% drop in price, with a long term establishment of the price at the new drastically lower level. After the correction, the bubble looks less inflated, but by no means does it appear to be popped.
1553  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin now the biggest bubble of all time? on: December 30, 2017, 04:34:39 AM
"Bubble" is a incorrect word, because it implies a kind of scam or a kind of loss. Actually, anything will end some day, so anything is a "bubble".
But before the explosion, we have a lot of opportunities to work on.

The term "bubble" doesn't denote a scam, it just denotes an asset whose value has become disconnected from reality as it trades on momentum without any regard for inherent value. Alan Greenspan termed the coin "irrational exuberance" to describe the stock market during the tech bubble in the 1990s. Crypto is definitely in a bubble phase, the parallels with the tech bubble are uncanny, with companies with no real business or assets changing their names to include the word "blockchain" in their name and experiencing stock pops for no reason other than the name change. Classic bubble.
1554  Economy / Economics / Re: popularity of bitcoin dictates demand, means more profit on: December 30, 2017, 04:29:21 AM
With a critical view of the investors in bitcoin as at 2-3 years back and this year, you will see that there is a large difference in it. And today, more and more  people are coming in, investing into crypto currencies heavily, and those who holds a large quantity of bitcoin, holds it back creating scarcity in the market, which makes it looks expensive giving them high profit, and which made it more visible.
I have doubts that only because of the demand the price for Bitcoin rises to this level. Over the past two or three months, Bitcoin has risen by more than 60%, and so I do not think it is because of the level of demand for a coin.

It's hard to determine what short term fluctuations mean in a large sense. One trend that has been fairly consistent is that BTC dominance has been steadily declining for some time. When I started paying attention to this as an important metric, BTC was around 80%. It's been on a steady decline from there, usually not dropping below 50% and rebounding to the 60s when on an upswing. But now it's in danger of falling below 40%. This metric is important because it signals how much money is choosing other alts than Bitcoin. It makes it increasingly likely that a flippening will happen, especially with how bloated the mempool is with unconfirmed transactions and the unreasonable transaction fees that accompany that. Bitcoin becomes increasingly useless day by day with no shortage of suitable replacements that are cheaper, faster, and more useful.
1555  Economy / Economics / Re: Are electric cars bad for the oil industry? on: December 30, 2017, 04:21:59 AM
It'll never hurt the oil industry since even if electric cars are adopted in lots of countries , it won't reach or even be an opponent of match to oil consuming cars to actually hurt the industry . Actually electric cars cost more in price and in consumption so people will always prefer oil cars unless they care about nature and bio environment and all of that . But what i know now that lots of cars are hybrids , it means they  got an electric engine and an oil one , the car will start with the electric one which will reduce consumption (which is at peak when starting a car and going with 1st gear ) and gets charged whenever using brakes . So oil industry won't really get hurt in the next 100 years at least .

Arguing that electric cars aren't the future because they cost more in price and consumption is like someone in 1900 arguing that cars aren't the future of personal transportation because they're more expensive than horses and require oil to run on, where horses are cheaper and only require less expensive food. It's an argument based on a limited viewpoint that isn't going to end up proving true. Electric cars are the future, the infrastructure to power them is being built the same way as gasoline powered infrastructure needed to be built first to allow cars to replace horses.
1556  Economy / Economics / Re: Why you should worry this is a bubble on: December 30, 2017, 04:16:50 AM
I don't know why people think that bitcoin will go down, all I can see is more investors joining the community which makes cryptocurrency more solid.
I will only listen to people providing reosonable arguments and not to those spreading predictions.
The cryptocurrency market will remain for long time, and the wise thing is to profit from it not just wait for it to vanish.

More people are getting into crypto, but not necessarily Bitcoin. Bitcoin's percent dominance has been on a steady decline for some time now. That means more money is coming into crypto as a whole but going to other alts more than it is to Bitcoin. Bitcoin's network has become a joke. Transactions are slow and expensive. It is increasingly obvious that a flippening will happen. There are many alts that are better at being Bitcoin than Bitcoin is, so it really seems it's only a matter of time. ETH, XRP, BCH and LTC are the most likely alts to pass Bitcoin in market cap, and it may come as soon as 2018.
1557  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin now the biggest bubble of all time? on: December 24, 2017, 03:14:39 PM
The thing with us bitcoiners is that we never really accept anything until it is laid out in front of our eyes. Stats don't mean shit to the most of us because bitcoin has the tendency to ignore the statistics and history and draw its own line. I am thinking that bitcoin is somehow the start of a new era of cash, and the increasing price is only a demonstration on how far this thing can go if almost all the people in the world get involved. Unlike tulips, bitcoin has its own practical uses that most of us can really take advantage of, so unless everything goes south, bitcoin in my eyes would never be a bubble.

You are absolutly right !  The originator of this thread missed some import points.
Only one is that the tulip hipe was about tulip bulbs. Unfortunately every customer acquiring one is able to multiply it simply by using it. So effectively, as soon as one tulip bulb is sold to a non-speculator, it's value is destroyed.
Maybe there could be some similarities to Proof of Stake based blockchains. Surely not to Bitcoin !
Bitcoin's inherent feature is, that it is not possible to multiply it's number. That the ownership of bitcoins does not generate automatically new value for the holder.



Bitcoin's inherent disadvantage is it doesn't scale, and in that, Bitcoin is just as useless as Tulips and the analogy is appropriate. Bitcoin Cash exists because Bitcoin can't/won't scale. There are now routinely 150k unconfirmed transactions with spikes up to 300k. Fees are sky high. The average transaction fee for Bitcoin is no over $35 while it is about 3 cents for Bitcoin Cash. Bitcoin will eventually lose a great deal of its value because it's useless for payments, a fundamental aspect of a currency. Without utility, all the speculation is not value that will ever be realized. The present conditions make it almost certain that another crypto will supplant Bitcoin as the dominant crypto. The question is just which one is going to do it.
1558  Economy / Economics / Re: Cashless society on: December 24, 2017, 02:30:13 PM
Have you ever wondered how would the world's economy be like in the future as a cashless society?

Perhaps, with the increased traction of blockchain acceptance nowadays, could lead to the creation of digital fiat currencies powered by blockchains that are managed by governments themselves. With this in mind, there would be no need for physical cash, as digital fiat currencies would provide many advantages such as quick settlement, global payments, full transparency, implants use on citizens to make payments, and more.

If this becomes a reality, which I'm sure that it will, it would radically transform our lives for the better and reduce criminal activity as a result of the full transparency and auditability that a digital fiat currency would have thanks to the power of the blockchain technology.

Also, it makes me wonder if cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin would exist by that time, or will they co-exist with digital fiat currencies.

Nevertheless, I would like to know your opinion about this.  Wink
A society without cash. All we do is be dependent on cards, virtual ids and internet. This would be a technologically inspired motif. Wherein we can actually notice the rise of technology and the things to buy doesn't need physical money. You don't need to go out to buy. This would be amazing.

The world has been moving towards a cashless society for a long time before blockchain, and would continue moving in that direction even without it today. We already have digital fiat without blockchain, so that's not a prerequisite. The world will go cashless without Bitcoin, and it will do it better, as digital fiat is far more useful than any crypto due to its wildly fluctuating value. Companies like Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, and Square have done far more than Bitcoin has in moving the world off cash.
1559  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin now the biggest bubble of all time? on: December 22, 2017, 09:11:16 PM
The price may be a bubble right now, but if you are a long term holder, then you shouldn't be caring about buying right now, because if in the long term it is going to be mainstream then you are going to be really rich.

If you want to buy bitcoin for the long term and you are not really a believer, then I wouldn't buy right now and I would be waiting for the price to decrease a little bit, as I think that the price has been increasing too fast recently and may see a sudden decrease soon!.

TLDR, if you are a true long term believer, then you shouldn't be caring of the price being a bubble or not a bubble.


Crypto can become mainstream without bitcoin being valuable. It's increasingly likely that crypto will continue to increase adoption and that some other more useful coin will replace Bitcoin. Bitcoin Cash doesn't have the current congestion or scaling issues, although I'm not particularly keen on the way it was split off. There are other more worthy replacements. Litecoin is good, Dash is good, Ripple actually has corporate utility that these others don't, so there are plenty of other alts that are more worthy than Bitcoin itself at this point, so make sure you factor that into your investing thesis.

The success of crypto is not the same as the success of Bitcoin. If you're a long term Bitcoin holder, you absolutely should be concerned that Bitcoin is a bubble, because the bubble could burst on you before you can get out.
1560  Economy / Economics / Re: Why you should worry this is a bubble on: December 22, 2017, 03:26:29 PM
I worried about it last week that i sold all my Bitcoin for 14k$ because i am expecting that it will not proceed to 15k$ because of the things that i read like price correction etc etc, but looking at the price now i regret that i sold my Bitcoin anyways from now on i will not worry of the price, i will just hold and hold and hold until we reach that 21m limit.

And yet right now, you're selling was the right call as Bitcoin drops below $12,000. That's the problem with bubbles- you never know when they're going to burst. You would have to believe that you would know the when the top is before it's evident and with no warning or visual signs. Then you would have to believe that you can get out faster than everyone else. These are not safe or rational beliefs to have. Selling to lock in your gains is safe. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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