Stop repeating this lie.
I won't stop saying the truth, even when it hurts. XPY price momentarily hit $20 and that did not last 6 hours. It is not at all clear if that was really GAW trying to establish the "floor" or just over-enthusiastic market participants pushing the price in anticipation of said "floor".
Why this makes any difference? In any case it was based on a lie and did not last 6 hours. So stop and find something else to repeat ad nauseam.
You are putting too much emphasis on Money: money gives you money, not base your quality of life on money. ==================================================================================================================== That's funny.  PS - noone is taking the piss on you or whatever you call it. We were here to expose the scam. We are sorry you lost money, we tried to warn everyone, but noone cared. Sorry for your loss, you certainly weren't alone.  : if somebody gives you $20.00 for what you paid $1.00 you were not scammed you were an idiot not to accept. ====================================================================================================================
You were scammed. Josh told you he would buy your paycoins for $20, he didn't. If you can't accept that you are not smart and will lose any money you have left to the next con man you run into.
the price hitting $20 for some period of time is not what was promised. Josh promised he had 100 million dollars to buy coins for $20. Since there are more than 5 million paycoins in existence, you are not smart if you believed that you would be able to sell all of your coins for $20. you are also not smart for believing he would actually do that, but that's besides the point and that's what we are trying to explain to you.
GAWs plan, as told by them, would not and could not work, that is how you know they are liars and scammers. The fact that they didn't do anything they said they would do only makes the problem worse.
Apologies: I'm starting to get tired of being called idiot and said that I do not make sense. I cannot answer your question in that condition. But I'll try:
You were scammed. Josh told you he would buy your paycoins for $20, he didn't.
He did. If you can't accept that you are not smart and will lose any money you have left to the next con man you run into.
That's not the way for keeping away jinx. the price hitting $20 for some period of time is not what was promised. Josh promised he had 100 million dollars to buy coins for $20. Since there are more than 5 million paycoins in existence, you are not smart if you believed that you would be able to sell all of your coins for $20. you are also not smart for believing he would actually do that, but that's besides the point and that's what we are trying to explain to you.
I was not smart to sell on 30th December 2014. GAWs plan, as told by them, would not and could not work, that is how you know they are liars and scammers. The fact that they didn't do anything they said they would do only makes the problem worse.
They did most of the things. Again: if you leave you are a scammer and that's what they are now. Apologies for not the complete answer, but again: I'm starting to get tired of being called idiot and said that I do not make sense. I cannot answer your question in that condition. They did not do most of the things. They did not spend 100 million dollars buying every paycoin for $20. they did not do the honor program. They did not have never obsolete hashlets. They did not do coinstand. They did not have a hyperflex blockchain. They did not have orion controllers. They did not pay their electric bill. Having the price for 20 for a small amount of time on 1 day was not the promise. The promise was buying all coins for $20 and orion controllers and a hyperflex blockchain and walmart and target and amazon and thousands of merchants. I'm sorry, but if you can't see that, idiot and not making sense are the perfect words to describe you. |
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FTFY....
BTW, That's bullshit - No exchanges were paying 20 USD per XPY. You must be high on crack, and are clearly delusional from your losses.
Is not that hard: go to XPY/BTC market on Cryptsy and click "All". Yes, You got scammed, Gaw was a scam, what don't you get about this? Deal with it and move on FFS, you're cluttering the fck out of this thread with your stupidity, and you make my brain hurt, even on ignore, because everyone else quotes your dumb fucking ass.  BTW I was not scammed, I lost Faith. You were scammed. Josh told you he would buy your paycoins for $20, he didn't. If you can't accept that you are not smart and will lose any money you have left to the next con man you run into. the price hitting $20 for some period of time is not what was promised. Josh promised he had 100 million dollars to buy coins for $20. Since there are more than 5 million paycoins in existence, you are not smart if you believed that you would be able to sell all of your coins for $20. you are also not smart for believing he would actually do that, but that's besides the point and that's what we are trying to explain to you. GAWs plan, as told by them, would not and could not work, that is how you know they are liars and scammers. The fact that they didn't do anything they said they would do only makes the problem worse. |
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You mine coins for a total of $1.00 a coin, they pay you $20.00 when the coin goes live: it make sense.
No, it doesn't. Why would someone waste the extra $19 for each coin they could have acquired for $1. Or for free as was the case with the massive premine. Actually most of what you posted here doesn't make sense, but I'll write that off as a language barrier. For you $1.00 to $20.00 doesn't make sense. I make sense into it: is 20x investment. Why would someone waste the extra $19 for each coin they could have acquired for $1. Or for free as was the case with the massive premine.
Counting other people's business is not polite. Actually most of what you posted here doesn't make sense, but I'll write that off as a language barrier.
So: for you investing $1.00 and gaining $19.00 doesn't make sense?!? I'm talking to you mathematics to overcome the language barrier.Don't push it too much. "  " Thank you. You are looking at it backwards. Buying something for 1 and selling it for 20 makes perfect sense. it doesn't make sense to pay $20 for something that you can buy for 1. That's why the "i'm going to get rich by selling paycoins for 20" plan was a stupid plan, because there was never any reason for GAW to pay $20 for a coin. If your plan was was based on GAW paying $20 per coin, your plan was bad because it was based on lies by a conman. |
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This doesn't make sense.
why would "they" pay $20 for the coin? GAW is "they" there was never a reason for them to pay $20 for a coin. They never did anything that someone who was going to pay $20 for a coin would do, they were scammers.
They did: they exchanged paycoins for $20.00 value for 6 hours until they ran out of money. I was on exchanges that day, I didn't sold cause I always choose to have Faith and stay for the long run. I always think this is a good approach. This approach has cost me a lot of money in the past. Thank You. No, buying paycoins for $20 for 6 hours is not what someone who had a "too big to fail" floor made up of $100 million dollars would do if they were going to pay $20 for every coin. They never explained what they were going to do with the coins they paid $20 for, because it never made sense. Having Faith in conmen and people that are out to rob you is a good approach to lose all of your money. Faith in general is ok, faith in scumbags who have done nothing to earn your faith/trust is a very bad thing. |
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It never made sense before they left.
There are 2 reasons to let coins sitting on the market for under $20 if you are claiming to pay $20 for them at a later date, and both point to gaw being a scam.
One reason is you are lying about the claim to pay $20.
The other is that you expect the price to go even lower than it is right then.
Both of those make GAW scammers.
You mine coins for a total of $1.00 a coin, they pay you $20.00 when the coin goes live: it make sense. People made 20X on this, I didn't because I choose to have faith in the coin: I was wrong, they left, Mr Josh Garza proved to be a scammer. Thank you for making saying to me the name of Mr. Scammer.I WAS SARCASTIC.You get excited because I said that I liked the way you think, apologies for that: I dont' like the way you think. I like to make 20x from my investment that's what people made with Paycoin the 30th of December 2014. Thanks! PS1: faith turned out to be against money, strange cause money follow G-d most of the time. PS2: the thing that I had faith and didn't surfed the opportunity make me an idiot not a scammer, a troll, or whatever bad acronym you want to give to me. PS3: don't get involved in money discussions, you will need to say idiot to yourself (don't say too much Truth) ==================================================================================================================== TO ALL PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD
It never made sense before they left.
There are 2 reasons to let coins sitting on the market for under $20 if you are claiming to pay $20 for them at a later date, and both point to gaw being a scam.
One reason is you are lying about the claim to pay $20.
The other is that you expect the price to go even lower than it is right then.
Both of those make GAW scammers.
You mine coins for a total of $1.00 a coin, they pay you $20.00 when the coin goes live: it make sense. People made 20X on this, I didn't because I choose to have faith in the coin: I was wrong, they left, Mr Josh Garza proved to be a scammer. THAT IS SARCASM => Thank you for making saying to me the name of Mr. Scammer. <= THAT IS SARCASM This doesn't make sense. why would "they" pay $20 for the coin? GAW is "they" there was never a reason for them to pay $20 for a coin. They never did anything that someone who was going to pay $20 for a coin would do, they were scammers. |
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it was GAW would pay $20 and that never made sense.
It never made sense because they left. IF YOU LEAVE YOU ARE A SCAMMERApologies again for asking your reply that was for kke01, but your comment made me thinking. I start to like the way you think. Thank You. It never made sense before they left. There are 2 reasons to let coins sitting on the market for under $20 if you are claiming to pay $20 for them at a later date, and both point to gaw being a scam. One reason is you are lying about the claim to pay $20. The other is that you expect the price to go even lower than it is right then. Both of those make GAW scammers. |
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Also, real casino games are just as "rigged" as bitcoin casinos. The thing about casinos is they tell you exactly how the game is "rigged" before the game starts, and if you feel like it's worth doing, you play the game.
the casino's trick is that they make you feel like you have a 50/50 shot of winning a hand of blackjack, but in reality you don't.
That's exactly the same as when just dice offers you a payout of 2x when you roll under 49.5 instead of under 50.
Harrah's won't put the exact house edge on the table like just dice does, but it's very easy to find that information if you look hard enough (or calculate it if you are bored and/or in a statistics class). And it doesn't take an advanced degree to look at a roulette wheel and see 18 red numbers, 18 black numbers, and 1 or 2 green numbers and figure out that an even money payout on red or black is "rigged."
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Phildo: i actually didnt invest in this. i just chose the fastest growing scam thread at the time to build blockchain visualization tools that i could port to other coins
the email leaks from 2 of Josh Garzas email accounts would lead to believe that before launch he actually believed he could grow the coin to reach values sufficient enough which he could PR spin (even if it was for a short time). all to cover his past actions by making (some of) his customers content. fractional mining kicked him in the nuts and he should face the consequences. supposedly theres unshipped (sold) miners still stored somewhere which could be liquidated to cover some losses from lawsuits and cc chargebacks
That's bullshit. There was never a plan for what GAW would do with $20 coins, so there was never a plan for $20 coins. IF there was a plan for $20 coins, they would have bought the $4, $3, $2, or $1 coins, because why pay $20 for something you can buy for less? Thinking he could "PR spin" into $20 wasn't the promise, the promise was a $20 floor that was "too big to fail." The promise wasn't a coin worth $20, it was GAW would pay $20 and that never made sense. |
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Of course they can. If they get super unlucky, get hacked, steal from the site, or any number of reasons.
It will be tough because they should have a lot less expenses than live casinos.
Casinos make money by putting the odds in their favor, they could get super unlucky, but it probably won't happen.
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Monopoly is what FIAT is based on: do you think FIAT money is a scam?
"Copy the masters and learn from them".
Thanks.
well then we agree. it is a natural monopoly we all accept to live in a orderly society because i can pay my taxes and obligations with it, it has value (due to expectations on my governments decrees and their ability to enforce them) paycoin had no value or any real plans to bring value to it. it had Garzas decree (20$) and once it coudnt be done it died (this happened naturally and not by plan. then it was converted into a full blown scam) of course we have to ignore the fact that paycoin was created to hide GAW/Garzas fractional mining failure. this is the primary reason there were no plans for the coin the $20 not happening was the plan. Please figure this out before you give the next batch of money you come into to another scam. It could not work. What would GAW do with the coins they paid $20 for? No one has ever come up with an answer to that because there never has been one. the only reason anyone acquired paycoins was because Josh promised to give them $20 for it. It never made sense for Josh to pay $20 for a coin because there was never anything that he could do with those coins that he paid $20 for. |
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My greed is fine. If people think my services are worth what I ask for them, they pay me, if they don't, they don't and I go somewhere else.
Have more faith in yourself: you will keep position. I know: you consume a lot of energy but at least you keep position. Energy is what I'm searching as well: in two we may find energy more quickly. I have lost no money in scams like this because I realized that they don't make sense.
Monopoly is what FIAT is based on: do you think FIAT money is a scam? I have no clue what you are talking about. I have plenty of faith in myself, that's why I run my own business and set my own hours/wages/etc. I don't consider greed in the equation because people know exactly what they are paying me, and I give them exactly what I said that I would, or more, so I am not ripping anyone off. FIAT is not a scam, Someone gives me $500, I can take that and get $500 worth of shit from other people. That's all it is, we all have agreed that $1 will get me this much stuff. I agree with almost everything you've said but no one ever agreed what $1 will buy. Most prices of goods go up and down based on supply and demand but it has nothing to do with agreeing to what $1 will buy. Inflation is a huge problem with fiat. Consumers have no control of inflation. Inflation is a problem with money, but not as bad as with crypto. It's very unlikely (at least in the US) that enough craziness will happen to the money supply/inflation whatever to impact my day to day life. There may be problems long term things, but it's nowhere near as bad as it is with crypto because the inflation in the real world is kind of predictable, and isn't really that hard to beat because there is a whole system set up to keep people in check. When you stake coins and make inflation the only method of making a profit, it's not going to work. you put in $100 for x coins, now you have 2x and expect to get $200 even though there's no reason for someone else to put in $200. Crypto is like real life on steroids. Shit that takes years/lifetimes to happen in the real world happens in weeks/months in crypto, with a ton of other problems on top of them. |
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I have no clue what you are talking about.
I'm talking about Money and I think Monopoly is what FIAT is based on: do you think FIAT money is a scam?
that sentence is written in understandable English. I have plenty of faith in myself, that's why I run my own business and set my own hours/wages/etc.
You have your own business to make money. Why running a business is about yourself? I'm sorry but if you think that having faith in yourself is about running a business: you lack faith in yourself. Business can help you have more faith in yourself, however. don't consider greed in the equation because people know exactly what they are paying me, and I give them exactly what I said that I would, or more,
You give exactly what people expect or more, that's your choice is not a business and it has something to do about you. (Your opinion). If you think you can make a business out of your choices that's what bookies do. Are you a bookie? so I am not ripping anyone off.
Have more faith in yourself and you will think that nobody is ripping you so that will make you confident that ripping people is not the problem here. That is a business I know but I have not much resources to change that. FIAT is not a scam, Someone gives me $500, I can take that and get $500 worth of shit from other people. That's all it is, we all have agreed that $1 will get me this much stuff.
That's the philosophy behind it that it's important: 1) FIAT: money supply with no limit => Illimited Inflation ( bad) 2) CRYPTO (BTC, LTC and others): money supply with limit => Controlled Inflation ( good) FIAT is a currency, a currency has a philosophy behind it and FIAT philosophy is unlimited money supply. An advice: thread all currencies equal (FIAT and CRYPTO). Money is Money. How to treat advices: I give advices to make people following them, you can follow it or not. Thank You. ==================================================================================================================== well then we agree. it is a natural monopoly we all accept to live in a orderly society
because i can pay my taxes and obligations with it, it has value (due to expectations on my governments decrees and their ability to enforce them)
That's your problem I'm not paid to solve it. Money has a value if is backed by something. paycoin had no value or any real plans to bring value to it. it had Garzas decree (20$) and once it coudnt be done it died (this happened naturally and not by plan. then it was converted into a full blown scam)
of course we have to ignore the fact that paycoin was created to hide GAW/Garzas fractional mining failure. this is the primary reason there were no plans for the coin
Paycoin was a scam because Mr. Scammer left. IF YOU LEAVE YOU ARE A SCAMMER. Why do you think your government want you locked behind a job: so its people don't look like scammers to others. of course we have to ignore the fact that paycoin was created to hide GAW/Garzas fractional mining failure. this is the primary reason there were no plans for the coin
Only God can create from nothing, if you can you are God. Mr. Scammer is not God also if we all hoped he was. That answer your question. You really aren't making much sense, I will try to parse this out. I am not a bookie, but I don't have problems with honest bookies that do what they say they are going to do. Bookies say, give me $110, if the patriots win by 3 or more, I will give you $100. If the patriots win by 4, and the bookie gives back $100, everyone got exactly what they said they are going to do, and everyone is happy. The customer got what he paid for. GAW never made sense. Miners better than any miner on the market that they will run and give out the proceeds instead of selling them or running them themselves. A zillion hashrate and participating in mining pools instead of mining on their own. Saying that they sold coins for $1 and $4 and would somehow have enough money to buy all those back plus the coins created via your magical energy. None of that made a lick of sense. Obviously it didn't help that all of those things were lies, but it was very easy to spot that they were lies because they made no sense. if they had miners that were "never obsolete" they would run them and get rich. If they had the hashpower they claimed, they would solo mine instead of paying the people running the pools. Nothing about the entire hashpoint-paycoin saga made a lick of sense. |
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My greed is fine. If people think my services are worth what I ask for them, they pay me, if they don't, they don't and I go somewhere else.
Have more faith in yourself: you will keep position. I know: you consume a lot of energy but at least you keep position. Energy is what I'm searching as well: in two we may find energy more quickly. I have lost no money in scams like this because I realized that they don't make sense.
Monopoly is what FIAT is based on: do you think FIAT money is a scam? I have no clue what you are talking about. I have plenty of faith in myself, that's why I run my own business and set my own hours/wages/etc. I don't consider greed in the equation because people know exactly what they are paying me, and I give them exactly what I said that I would, or more, so I am not ripping anyone off. FIAT is not a scam, Someone gives me $500, I can take that and get $500 worth of shit from other people. That's all it is, we all have agreed that $1 will get me this much stuff. |
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Anyone has the right to jump into any conversation, especially to try and convince people that rewriting the laws of economics isn't going to work.
It does answer my question, but it's the answer that was obvious, you were too greedy for your own good, and thought you could make a buck despite the laws of economics AND your own personal (wrong) beliefs. Common sense showed that there would be no demand for the coin and no value. Your own theory of energy should have shown you that there was no reason for there to be value. yet you jumped in anyway trying to make a buck, even though there was no way to.
How's your greed going according to your supply & demand law? My greed is fine. If people think my services are worth what I ask for them, they pay me, if they don't, they don't and I go somewhere else. I have lost no money in scams like this because I realized that they don't make sense. |
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Does this answer your question?
Thanks.
Yes, it does - You are just a trolling moron. Buh-bye now, Ignore time... That answer was not for you. Why you keep replying other people's answers?!? Why did you reply to my answer to user Phildo? " It is not polite to jump into discussions without asking permission". Do you have an information dependency?!? Anyone has the right to jump into any conversation, especially to try and convince people that rewriting the laws of economics isn't going to work. It does answer my question, but it's the answer that was obvious, you were too greedy for your own good, and thought you could make a buck despite the laws of economics AND your own personal (wrong) beliefs. Common sense showed that there would be no demand for the coin and no value. Your own theory of energy should have shown you that there was no reason for there to be value. yet you jumped in anyway trying to make a buck, even though there was no way to. |
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friendly reminder:
open questions:
where's garza
what happened to uncle stu?
what happened to cryptsy's cashcows?
Add to the open questions why no one is doing the one thing that may actually end up with progress. Why have josh and uncle stu never been held accountable for what looks an awful lot like a 9/11 charity scam? It's probably easier for authorities to understand that than digging through all the BS of all the other nonsense here. Charity fraud is easy to spot and prove and Uncle Stu's company might be willing to pay up some money to keep something like that quiet because they, more than most people on earth would not want to be involved in that particular type of scam. |
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Because there is a reason to use it.
Bitcoin was (is?) a way to buy drugs semi-anonymously from your couch. Since it's kind of stable it's a way you can use it to transfer money from person a to person b without involving a 3rd party. It's going to be a lot harder for the government to take my coins from a poker/gambling site than it was for them to take my cash, and they also can't stop me from sending coins to those sites the way they did with sports betting. I'm not sure if that's worth 280, but I'm also a weirdo that doesn't think any of these coins are a good "investment," they have uses, but I'm not "investing" in them because anything that makes them have "value" can just be copied by another coin and destroy the value.
The price of everything in the universe is determined by 2 things, supply and demand (not how much you spend making something). paycoin is dead because the supply side of the equation is fucked. Paycoin never had a chance because the supply side was controlled by scumbags. There's no real point in trying when the supply is STILL out of control, coins are created at an insane rate, and a HUGE number are controlled by scumbags and/or idiots who can crash the price at will. Any plan to "fix" the coin without addressing the demand problem AND ending the insane staking is just going to end up with more idiots giving money to scumbags.
Your are attached to ideas. You didn't gave me a solid thing in this world that a coin is backed with. Coins are backed by the energy that miners use to mine them: that's a thing ( energy). Supply and demands are ideas: try to defend yourself (from government, from your neighbours, from your archenemy, from me, etc... ) with ideas. Energy gives you power. Supply and demand gives you... well nice try! Thanks. They are not backed by energy. People think they are backed by energy and that is why they stupidly buy miners and invest in "cloud mining" that doesn't make sense. i don't care how much energy it takes you to make a coin, if I can't get $x worth of stuff for the coin, I'm not giving you $x. If it costs you $1,000 to make a coin, but I can't only get $280 worth of stuff from overstock with it, I'm not giving you $1000, and you are going to lose money. And if you REALLY think that energy is what gives a coin value why on earth did you get involved with a coin where 12 million were created instantly with no energy? And how many are created every day with no energy? |
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and the always important, no actual reason for anyone on earth to ever want to have a paycoin, so no reason for the coin to have value.
Why a coin should have a value in the first place? I think all crypto are backed by the energy used from miners, but as you will say, this is my opinion, hence my question: Why a coin should have a value in the first place?Thanks. Because there is a reason to use it. Bitcoin was (is?) a way to buy drugs semi-anonymously from your couch. Since it's kind of stable it's a way you can use it to transfer money from person a to person b without involving a 3rd party. It's going to be a lot harder for the government to take my coins from a poker/gambling site than it was for them to take my cash, and they also can't stop me from sending coins to those sites the way they did with sports betting. I'm not sure if that's worth 280, but I'm also a weirdo that doesn't think any of these coins are a good "investment," they have uses, but I'm not "investing" in them because anything that makes them have "value" can just be copied by another coin and destroy the value. The price of everything in the universe is determined by 2 things, supply and demand (not how much you spend making something). paycoin is dead because the supply side of the equation is fucked. Paycoin never had a chance because the supply side was controlled by scumbags. There's no real point in trying when the supply is STILL out of control, coins are created at an insane rate, and a HUGE number are controlled by scumbags and/or idiots who can crash the price at will. Any plan to "fix" the coin without addressing the demand problem AND ending the insane staking is just going to end up with more idiots giving money to scumbags. |
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A "new" paycoin scam called "Project Rise of XPY 2.0" was presented on paytardtalk yesterday. The explanation is long and boring, so here is the tldr: They want you to give them your bitcoins and then they will mine bitcoins for you but exchange them for payshitcoins and then (maybe) send them to you. https://paycointalk.org/topic/324/project-rise-of-xpy-2-0?page=1Jesus christ. That post can give you a full card in paytard bingo: Invest in another scam donate to a "team" of scammers for "features" a bunch of techno babble that doesn't actually make sense give your coins to some strangers and hope for the best a website that ends in some weird extension and the always important, no actual reason for anyone on earth to ever want to have a paycoin, so no reason for the coin to have value. |
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Come on, OP. Just provide us some picks on how good your picks are, but if it is worth it in the long run, we may subscribe you for ez money.
But if you keep refusing to hand these out, maybe you're just another user picking random picks + low odds and pay for it.
It's up to you for changing your style.
If I did that, I wouldn't charge for my services, I'll my bets are calculated though previous match results and players ability, not just what the odds are. Add me on Skype @oddsworthbetting because I'm not posting the picks here,.. But if all of your bets are 1.3 odds it is worthless. there's no point to pay for that. it doesn't take any sort of skill to predict that the 48th best player in the world is going to beat the 102nd best player in the world. You tennis experts pad your records on the easy early rounds of tournaments and saying "not just what the odds are" proves that you don't have a clue. The odds are a very important part in making a bet. Just picking the winner, especially on early round tennis is easy. Being a good sports bettor means making bets that have value. If you can't see how posting your bets here after the game starts will actually help your "business" you aren't very smart. It's obvious to people with brains that if you were making money betting on sports you wouldn't need an extra 10 bucks a month per person, the scumbags trying this in the real world charge 1k/mo+. Post your picks after the matches start, or deal with us calling you a fraud every time you post. edit: Also list the odds of your picks so we can track how much money you are making, because that is the goal of picking sports. John Isner beat a qualifier, you are a sports genius. |
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