yefi - "I'll throw my hat into the ring if there's a shortage though"
I'm going to bow out and pledge my support for lightfoot, infofront, arklan, Erkallys and empowering. Yefi, you are a gentleman. Respect. |
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Some pretty good ideas on this thread. Amazing ones in fact. Question: Can we lock a thread to no newbies, no post count, no sig campaigns, multiple moderators, must post a spaceman picture every 30 days, etc?
It seems that if we could just get through the process of electing a thread owner, then hopefully we would chose a thread owner who would be sufficiently in line with the thread culture and be able to decide the extent to which any of those kinds of rules would be practical in order to meet the laissez-faire history of the thread and/or whether a committee might be helpful. You mean someone who would be tolerant of verbose and overly long posts, JJG? |
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Latest version of potential mods
lightfoot - "I would go with a largely hands-off option, no directly blasting other people, no posting marketing crap, simple stuff"
yefi - "I'll throw my hat into the ring if there's a shortage though"
arklan - "if mods are needed, i have the time to do it"
kurious - "'Happy to help any team on a part time basis if it will keep the WO going in a fashion as close to its original anarchic form as possible'"
Erkallys - "I candidate if this is needed. At least I have no hatred toward me as well as any fanboy." - "I would not be too strict on moderation, and I am available all day long."
BlindMayorBitcorn - [No stated "style of moderation" AFAIK. Please update]
infofront - "I'm not a prolific poster, or well known personality, but I'd volunteer to help moderate. I started the "unmoderated" wall observer thread because I believe in the laissez-faire nature of Adam's thread. "
Lauda - "I could create one, and would if someone were to get something like ChartBuddy running again." <-- from another thread but related to this one. edit: Proof in previous post.
empowering - "I probably have the necessary erratic mental health condition..." "...So I guess I will throw my hat in - happy to do it, not fussed either though."
You can take me out, too - I was hoping to be part of a team, I don't fancy the solo job. I agree with BlindMayorBitcorn there is already a list with some great candidates, with Empowering added to it it looks like we have a few decent options. May the candidate with the least ego, the greatest love of dodgy memes, trains, rockets and alcohol as well as a devotion to the spirit of the WO thread win. Can we have a vote please, Theymos? |
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Well we did have a bunch of people who came forward - I assume Theymos will pop up a poll and add names if they are quick enough to say they want to be on the list.
Since all the other WO threads (including rpietila's) were asked if anyone wanted it, the list of those who do is not so large and no one can say they didn't know.
Bring it on, pronto I say.
My vote goes to anyone who will offer a light touch and possesses more of a sense of humour than of self-importance.
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Still people interested in Monero?  I am long on Monero for a long time.... Aren't you? If not, then why are you here?  I do not borrow bitcoins to buy Monero. Especially these days when the price is in the bubble and about to burst any time now. I do buy coins when they are cheap and sell when they are expensive. Borrowing will not create wealth but destroys it (unless you are lucky one). --- You know what is the punishment for Europe of nazism? As the Europeans did not want the Jews here, we got the Arab invasion instead. Jews were bringing wealth to the countries they are, the Arabs are mainly leakages and some of them are ISIS warriors ready to do the same thing to the European the Europeans did to the Jews (in the Torah it is called "measure for measure", in English it is called "Karma"). Poland used to be a wealthy country but when the Jews were thrown to the camps/out from Poland, it crashed economically and now it is in the level of a third world country. Poland is not 3rd world by any standards lol Have you been there lately? I have, I was in Krakow 2 weeks ago and the assertion Poland is a third world country is preposterous. |
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Rockets trains and memes are a tradition there, will they be lost?
Nope. I can't see anyone who loves the WO wanting to not have rockets, trains and memes. It's a bit of a red line for me, it's not the WO without fun and nonsense. |
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If the thread's going to be restricted to member rank, I think another poll needs to be run on that. I'd probably be ok with the cut-off at full member. P.S.: Also, some organization is great but let's just take into account that we are not electing the next Pope  It does seem like trying to give a grandness to proceedings where there is none. So I created a Telegram group and PMd all you five. Now I will wait for you all to come so that we can discuss there.
Thank you for the invitation, but I'd rather not join a private group. If you're going to formalize some moderation policy for WO I think you have to base its values on those of its members. Maybe along the lines of: If a post is funny, informative, intelligent or interesting it should never be removed unless it meets the subjective test of being sufficiently hateful, disgusting, misinformative or disruptive by the members of the WO.
The moderators seek to act in the consensus of the WO by making judgments on behalf of its members.+1 That's not a bad start, would support this. It's vague enough to allow reasonable flexibility and puts working for a rough consensus on behalf of the WO crowd at its heart. I think the idea of having mods is to just to continue the forum but curb excess and the really extreme crap. And if we have some, then we don't need to restrict the ability to post too harshly. Restrictions on number of posts etc is unnecessary IMO. It was working roughly OK and with mods it can continue to do so. We only have a few people who have stepped forward, so how do we get a small team of mods from there in an uncomplicated fashion and try to agree a set of values such as this? |
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If option 1 or 3 occur, who are the candidates for new listed owner / mods? Someone please compile a list.
Guys, theymos has explicitly asked for a list of candidates so... can you guys please add your name to the list? He has not yet stated how the election would be nor if there will be one or many listed owners/mods, but I guess more than one individual would be needed and that we will have some say (maybe even another poll?) on the election. So anyone willing to help please quote and add your name to the list and, if you want, a description of your moderation style or whatever you feel appropiate. Also feel free to change/modify your own entry (no need to be a single line/paragraph, be as verbose as you want), this is just an example: lightfoot - "I would go with a largely hands-off option, no directly blasting other people, no posting marketing crap, simple stuff"
yefi - "I'll throw my hat into the ring if there's a shortage though"
arklan - "if mods are needed, i have the time to do it"
kurious - "'Happy to help any team on a part time basis if it will keep the WO going in a fashion as close to its original anarchic form as possible'"
Erkallys - "I candidate if this is needed. At least I have no hatred toward me as well as any fanboy."
P.S.: Missed a candidate (Erkallys) that already expressed his willingness to help. Added him to the list. But please, candidates add yourselves, thanks Why don't we add the cockroach to the list??? kkkkkkk just kidding, can you imagine the advocate of holocaust installing gas chambers in every corner of the thread? I just lost it on another thread with him after this:
(Blah blah conspiracy paranoia from r0ach's sick library) Holocaust 2.0 coming soon.
W0w, OK I'm officially never going to talk politics with you! I think you may be officially off your rocker.  I was at Auschwitz / Birkenau 2 weeks ago because I was in Krakow and I wanted to witness just how sick the nazis were for myself. r0ach wants to do it all over again - I am beyond words. This is criminally psychopathic, genocidal shit - he is the scum of the earth. If I was ever in a room with him, I would not be able to stop myself, I hope I never am. But then he probably lives in his mother's basement so thankfully it's unlikely. So, in this case I agree on censorship. Some things are about humanity and morality. r0ach defiles these simple concepts. 'Holocaust 2.0 coming soon.' WTF? |
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Input appreciated, Marcus. I think hero and above is a little severe, but valid suggestions. And if we could have a drunk and a monkey, with our thread back - I am in  |
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We might want to consider just sticking with the multiple forked versions. Moderation by committee could very well result in a mess of deleted posts and ruin the free-wheeling spirit of the original we're trying to save.
I think we should try the continuance - the other threads can survive and beat it, if it isn't any good. Which is a good way to ensure it is like the original as much as possible. At least now we have some candidates. I think we're all wary of picking our own dictator, so assuming we agree it can't be one person, what's next? An open election to pick members of one team, or teams line up around their own team agreement to be voted on as a team? Theymos might run a poll if we ask him. And we can always vote for the candidates who don't want to over-police the thread - after all it's what is unique about it, it would surely be popular? I think that the best idea would be an election amongst the volunteers - and the highest vote getter would get the position, subject to Theymos approving. Then if the other volunteers want to work with the highest vote getter, then that person could appoint them to help when s/he is going to be absent or unavailable for such duties. Less of a mess, and surely any winner of the vote would already understand the thread culture to sufficiently identify what constitutes loose, rather than strict moderation. That is also a solution, but the election would need to get organised by theymos, that would save us from a useless one. So I guess until we have a clarification from him, any proposal is just pure speculation. For once I think JJG is talking sense. And I also think presenting a solution as a fait accompli to Theymos is preferable to asking him. Is it possible for the candidates to gather online (away from here) to hammer something out together? Even if it only a statement of policy for starters. As indicated in my above post, if theymos is looking for an already decided consensus rather than the permission to organise something let's do that then. A Telegram group would be suitable to meet I think. Not sure if everyone uses it though. I already PMd Bitserve to ask if he wanted to organise it, but if you can find a way - go for it and invite all the candidates |
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We might want to consider just sticking with the multiple forked versions. Moderation by committee could very well result in a mess of deleted posts and ruin the free-wheeling spirit of the original we're trying to save.
I think we should try the continuance - the other threads can survive and beat it, if it isn't any good. Which is a good way to ensure it is like the original as much as possible. At least now we have some candidates. I think we're all wary of picking our own dictator, so assuming we agree it can't be one person, what's next? An open election to pick members of one team, or teams line up around their own team agreement to be voted on as a team? Theymos might run a poll if we ask him. And we can always vote for the candidates who don't want to over-police the thread - after all it's what is unique about it, it would surely be popular? I think that the best idea would be an election amongst the volunteers - and the highest vote getter would get the position, subject to Theymos approving. Then if the other volunteers want to work with the highest vote getter, then that person could appoint them to help when s/he is going to be absent or unavailable for such duties. Less of a mess, and surely any winner of the vote would already understand the thread culture to sufficiently identify what constitutes loose, rather than strict moderation. That is also a solution, but the election would need to get organised by theymos, that would save us from a useless one. So I guess until we have a clarification from him, any proposal is just pure speculation. For once I think JJG is talking sense. And I also think presenting a solution as a fait accompli to Theymos is preferable to asking him. Is it possible for the candidates to gather online (away from here) to hammer something out together? Even if it only a statement of policy for starters. |
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Ironically I am sort of suspicious of anyone who would want to be 'The Candidate' as I have a distrust of anyone who seeks power, because they are usually just the sort of person who I don't want to have it.
That's part of the problem. Those best able to moderate may not wish to seek approval. I'd put forward a number of people like Elwar, Gentlemand, etc... excellent points. couldn't agree more You're right, of course. But Theymos has played Pontious Pilate and said 'Ok - tell me what you guys want?' He seems to be saying if we can solve it, he will grant it. So... we cannot be apathetic, we have to offer that solution, or lose the thread. Can the most anarchic thread on the forum (ironically) find a sensible, acceptable and consensual solution? I think we could, but only if we all positively try to. Be quite a thing if we could. No one is really falling out here, we have a prize to seize - which is simply the status quo. If any group of people can come together and form a pitch I can roughly agree with, I will stand aside, or offer help accordingly, because I want the WO to continue. I have probably checked it almost every day for the past few years. I am sure I am not alone. |
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Sorry all - but I am unable to stand by and let this sort of thing be considered 'OK' to say.
I feel speaking up and calling out a racist neo-nazi advocating genocide is simply a humanitarian duty. I think if we ignore the lessons of history we are destined to repeat it and I fear if no one speaks out, we will.
It's not about cryptocurrency it's not even about politics, it's about humanity, decency and morality.
End of.
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(Blah blah conspiracy paranoia from r0ach's sick library) Holocaust 2.0 coming soon.
W0w, OK I'm officially never going to talk politics with you! I think you may be officially off your rocker. I was at Auschwitz / Birkenau 2 weeks ago because I was in Krakow and I wanted to witness just how sick the nazis were for myself. r0ach wants to do it all over again - I am beyond words. This is criminally psychopathic, genocidal shit - he is the scum of the earth. If I was ever in a room with him, I would not be able to stop myself, I hope I never am. But then he probably lives in his mother's basement so thankfully it's unlikely. |
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I have r0ach on ignore - just watch out for his racist anti-semitic racist shit and tell him it's not welcome if he spouts it?
Call the fucker out, he is batshit crazy conspiracy theorist and doesn't even like cryptocurrency.
I can't believe he is posting here, I thought he only bothered BTC threads - maybe now ha can't troll the WO thread, he has no one to wind up?
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We might want to consider just sticking with the multiple forked versions. Moderation by committee could very well result in a mess of deleted posts and ruin the free-wheeling spirit of the original we're trying to save.
I think we should try the continuance - the other threads can survive and beat it, if it isn't any good. Which is a good way to ensure it is like the original as much as possible. At least now we have some candidates. I think we're all wary of picking our own dictator, so assuming we agree it can't be one person, what's next? An open election to pick members of one team, or teams line up around their own team agreement to be voted on as a team? Theymos might run a poll if we ask him. And we can always vote for the candidates who don't want to over-police the thread - after all it's what is unique about it, it would surely be popular? Unlinke BlindMayorBitcoin, I am not fond of those forks. For me the most important is to keep the thread running. It is legendary and a piece of history, and I would like very much to see it alive again. Forks can live beside it, but shall not replace it. The best to me is that the team choose itself its members, from a common agreement of them, because, from my point of view, there is no better team that one from which members do like working together. A team would also be an interesting experiment, so that would be fine for me. I agree with you, I think we must try. Suggestion: Coalescing around a 'constitution' for a group or groups with a minimum moderator size to be maintained (say a minimum of three) then the group, or different groups publishes a short (say max 200 words) proposed moderation policy 'statement' to be stickied at the top of the thread if it's voted in. Within the winning group membership can be changed (but to no less than three) by a majority vote within the group to change its membership. Should there be a fixed term? Ideally, yes - but is it getting too complicated, or is it a sensible thing to have to be re-elected every now and then as a reminder that it's not their property forever? Happy to debate - but what is likely to work? |
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We might want to consider just sticking with the multiple forked versions. Moderation by committee could very well result in a mess of deleted posts and ruin the free-wheeling spirit of the original we're trying to save.
I think we should try the continuance - the other threads can survive and beat it, if it isn't any good. Which is a good way to ensure it is like the original as much as possible. At least now we have some candidates. I think we're all wary of picking our own dictator, so assuming we agree it can't be one person, what's next? An open election to pick members of one team, or teams line up around their own team agreement to be voted on as a team? Theymos might run a poll if we ask him. And we can always vote for the candidates who don't want to over-police the thread - after all it's what is unique about it, it would surely be popular? |
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If option 1 or 3 occur, who are the candidates for new listed owner / mods? Someone please compile a list.
Guys, theymos has explicitly asked for a list of candidates so... can you guys please add your name to the list? He has not yet stated how the election would be nor if there will be one or many listed owners/mods, but I guess more than one individual would be needed and that we will have some say (maybe even another poll?) on the election. So anyone willing to help please quote and add your name to the list and, if you want, a description of your moderation style or whatever you feel appropiate. Also feel free to change/modify your own entry (no need to be a single line/paragraph, be as verbose as you want), this is just an example: lightfoot - "I would go with a largely hands-off option, no directly blasting other people, no posting marketing crap, simple stuff"
yefi - "I'll throw my hat into the ring if there's a shortage though"
arklan - "if mods are needed, i have the time to do it"
kurious - "'Happy to help any team on a part time basis if it will keep the WO going in a fashion as close to its original anarchic form as possible'"
Erkallys - "I candidate if this is needed. At least I have no hatred toward me as well as any fanboy."
P.S.: Missed a candidate (Erkallys) that already expressed his willingness to help. Added him to the list. But please, candidates add yourselves, thanks BlindMayorBitcorn has asked to be added to the list. |
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Fork your Wall Observer if you want fork  On the 'what to with WO' thread someone is trying to assemble a team of mods to keep the old thread running - step in if you want to register your willingness to help keep it going? Ok, you can add my name too. Great - I will put you forward. |
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The people that ought to have power generally don't want it. Isn't it always the way.
And it is a truism that the converse is true, also. |
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