For certain purposes it's necessary to determine the logical cross-bearings of the concepts which we take for granted. But honestly, is there a single not obvious thing in here. You really thought I needed a reintroduction to basic financial literacy by way of cringe-y homespun wisdoms?
Now I'm even more morose!
Aww, don't go down that road. It's closed anyway.  You do find pics of some rather fetching looking ladies, V8. |
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Interesting observation from Yuval Noah Harari, found within a treatise on society's long-standing relationship with Fake News: "You might argue that, at least in some cases, it is possible to organise people effectively through consensual agreements rather than through fictions and myths. Thus in the economic sphere, money and corporations bind people together far more effectively than any god or holy book, even though everyone knows that they are just a human convention. In the case of a holy book, a true believer would say “I believe that the book is sacred” while, in the case of the dollar, a true believer would say only that “I believe that other people believe that the dollar is valuable”. It is obvious that the dollar is just a human creation, yet people all over the world respect it. If so, why can’t humans abandon all myths and fictions, and organise themselves on the basis of consensual conventions such as the dollar? Such conventions, however, are not clearly distinct from fiction. The difference between holy books and money, for example, is far smaller than it may seem at first sight. When most people see a dollar bill, they forget that it is just a human convention. As they see the green piece of paper with the picture of the dead white man, they see it as something valuable in and of itself. Hence in practice there is no strict division between knowing that something is just a human convention and believing that something is inherently valuable. In many cases, people are ambiguous or forgetful about this division." https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/aug/05/yuval-noah-harari-extract-fake-news-sapiens-homo-deusRead Sapiens, it's damn good and a brilliant treatise on the history of mankind and the concept of myths. Deus, the follow-up is pretty good too. Just don't tell Roach, he won't approve. |
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Nope. Some people here are reasonably well-read, old chap. Not enough for a decent WO book club, mind. |
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do you like ASCII art?
You just want to post more ASCII porn! Shocking. Er... do go on, maybe just a bit. All tasteful, like? |
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No, if he directly paid or instigated (colluded with?) someone to hack the servers and publish the emails that would be clearly ilegal. Additionally, if he was involved in any way on it that could be proved somehow he would not only be a criminal but a stupid and a danger to be in charge of the US. I don't really think the guy is as much stupid and much less his advisors who, were they in any way involved in this issue, would have never even informed the guy about it. I would be shocked if it could be proven that he was (legally) involved in the crime... if there was such a crime. You have to admit, there might just be the tiniest possibility that he is that stupid. I can't see the 'smoking gun' evidence turning up anytime soon, too many people don't want the whole house of cards come tumbling down. But anything is possible. From impeachment, right through to him getting a second term. Biggest soap opera on the planet, the guy makes the news every time he gets up to pee in the night. |
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Yes, Stalin was arguably far worse - the figures are mind-boggling. But I was only wanting to say: All totalitarian regimes are bad, many evil - but history shows neither left nor right can be said to have not murdered their own citizens. As for saying: (snip) Okay, I don't completely agree with the jew killing thing...
Well, I am glad we straightened out that there are reasonable people on here, who (when it comes to a bit of genocide) only agree with it partly. |
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So, when Franco started the Spanish Civil War, he was a left-winger? Did some quick and dirty google-fu. Looks like it was a right wing rebellion against a leftie government. That's the best that can be hoped for when the state and the people have become polarized. See also: Let them eat cake! I think a 'fascist military coup' against a democratically elected government is what many would say, but no matter. The end result was a fascist state that lasted until 1976. Franco didn't kill 'outsiders' unless 'anyone who opposes us' counts as an outsider. They were his own countrymen and he borrowed Stuka bombers from his buddy Hitler to bomb towns and slaughter non-combatants. All I wanted to point out was that murder of your own people was the pursuit of the left, but not the right (which was what you stated) was wrong. I can't see how what Franco's nationalists did in starting the Spanish Civil War doesn't prove that point. Edited: for clarity |
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I sure hope it's not going to be 3 years. Honestly, I doubt it will, but what do we know?
Well, it looks like it can't seem to really break out - this looks like just bouncing off resistance. There is certainly a way to go yet...  EDIT: Actually not 'certainly' - that is a daft thing to say. Hope spring eternal, but I just think 'not yet'. |
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Collectivism is inevitable. It's how you win wars. Without it you just die. Individualism is only possible in times of peace, and peace is always temporary.
The difference is that when a culture on the right fights a war it's against outsiders. When the left does it the state murders its own people. Choose wisely.
So, when Franco started the Spanish Civil War, he was a left-winger? And the nazis really were 'socialists'? Whatever your political leanings you cannot deny that plenty of right wing governments have murdered their own people, too. Totalitarian governments at either end of the spectrum are rarely pleasant to live under. |
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I'm blocked by FakeSatoshi on Twitter, so can't be bothered to incognito view them, but yeah, the dude has become increasingly unhinged over the last month or so.
TBH, I see him wearing a straight-jacket in a padded room, before 2020 rolls around.
EDIT: Jesus. This just happened...
2018-07-22 19:01:42 UpdateTip: new best=000000000000000000168b0a2fed9d885b5f8236a21944e8ea9f9f0aecb25f3f height=533142 version=0x20000000 log2_work=89.291938 tx=329741082 date='2018-07-22 19:01:22' progress=1.000000 cache=31.5MiB(191301txo) warning='2 of last 100 blocks have unexpected version'
2018-07-22 19:03:57 UpdateTip: new best=000000000000000000334a07c66fb4bdf1c49dc5e9d1bfdd84c0947e8a499b7d height=533143 version=0x20000000 log2_work=89.29198 tx=329741469 date='2018-07-22 19:03:53' progress=1.000000 cache=31.6MiB(192115txo) warning='2 of last 100 blocks have unexpected version'
2018-07-22 19:05:07 UpdateTip: new best=000000000000000000339f87013a9ca7e63592a46912be99741b7b7e6902caec height=533144 version=0x20000000 log2_work=89.292022 tx=329741596 date='2018-07-22 19:04:43' progress=1.000000 cache=31.7MiB(192818txo) warning='2 of last 100 blocks have unexpected version'
2018-07-22 19:05:11 UpdateTip: new best=000000000000000000206b86c992ef0d34cfd135096217c5ed98b84edcd18e24 height=533145 version=0x20000000 log2_work=89.292065 tx=329741665 date='2018-07-22 19:05:12' progress=1.000000 cache=31.7MiB(192901txo) warning='2 of last 100 blocks have unexpected version'
4 blocks in 5 minutes. Ugh.
All mined by Jihan and co? |
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Thanks Mic - read 'ATH' and end of year and er... jumped to the wrong conclusion. Have still aimed low, not convinced on ETF. Hope I am wrong, of course. |
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Hi Mic - I am going low on this, so I hope I am wrong and the bear market will be long over.
But I have done some overlay work on 2013 and now, albeit with things going slightly faster this time.
So gimme $6099 for end of year, please.
I hope (but don't think) we will all be in lambo-land when 2019 starts.
Yow you got iT wrong we are already higher right now..... its the highest price we touch between today and end of This year Oops! I just thought it was the price at the end of the year. I will understand if I am disallowed fro being an idiot - but if I can change it, then may I go for $8843, please Mic? |
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Hi Mic - I am going low on this, so I hope I am wrong and the bear market will be long over.
But I have done some overlay work on 2013 and now, albeit with things going slightly faster this time.
So gimme $6099 for end of year, please.
I hope (but don't think) we will all be in lambo-land when 2019 starts.
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Churchill 1939 The second leader after the State of Judea in 1933 to declare war on Germany For once, can our enemies over the last 100 years at least attack us front on  or do they not learn, when you sink a ship (happens nearly every war), we will conduct a full on frontal assault Rinse and repeat hey Churchill Erm... not sure what you are driving at - or what the 'State of Judea' has to do with it. Not even sure if by 'attack us' you mean the Third Reich or its successors (or the the Beenie Baby Collectors Club, for all I can tell) So I had best just ignore all that. However, I have to correct one fact (these days, I realise facts don't matter to most people, but they do to us old fashioned types): Churchill did NOT declare war on Germany at all. Chamberlain did on the morning of Sept. 3rd 1939. After - despite promises of no further annexations or invasions of other countries - Germany had invaded Poland. Churchill became Prime Minister later. I am sure it won't spoil the logic of the conspiracy theory, whatever it was supposed to mean - but kindly at least attack the correct historical figure? |
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Well, sort of... but cynicism aside - it is a 'legitimacy' that nocoiners will notice and it can't do any harm. Are things looking up for real? Even the CNBC TA guy was bullish - he said that we are 30% under the 200 MA, which historically is apparently always a sign it's on the way up. When it's happened before, anyone buying has had a '100%' success rate at making money within 6 months. That would be rather good. (I'm still listening to Rosewater though. Keeps me grounded) |
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Lulz at whoever did this.  I assumed it was you, by the time I saw you flag the place up, it was already there. Funny, whoever it was. |
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Yes, Torque - he has every right to ask NATO members to spend 2% on defence, as it's part of the NATO principles (and I cannot blame him) and it's also true that not everyone pays their dues. However, it is a separate issue to trade and the 'EU" as the EU isn't a NATO member, and NATO is far more than just the countries of the EU.
It's all related. Germany subsidizes Russia's military with lucrative energy contracts. Germany then forces the US to subsidize the defense of Germany by not spending the 2% they promised. To add injury to insult, Germany/EU tariff the shit out of US goods. Sounds like a great ally to me. On the 2% - you're correct. As for tariffs... Average tariffs between US and EU were I believe between 3% - 5% (a tad more in unweighted terms for the EU - but not 'massive') so it was relatively insignificant until the latest trade kerfuffle, of course. |
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And the EU is now a 'foe' of the United States. Astounding. I am sure most of my life I was taught the Americans were allies of Western Europe. Should I consider going for some weapons training? I mean, a hell of a lot of Americans seem to be visiting places near where I live. There's even a US military base not so far away.
For the record, Trump clarified that when he said 'foe' he meant 'competitor'. Which is a completely different connotation.
OK, fair enough - but what he said was to camera and was what I saw on the BBC, he hadn't retracted it for most of yesterday. In the same interview he said Russia was a 'competitor' - did he get them mixed up? Also to give context, Trump was expressing frustration that the U.S. continues to subsidize Germany and other NATO countries with footing nearly the entire bill for their defense, whilst these same countries continue to trade and buy LNP directly from Russia and not from the U.S.
Yes, Torque - he has every right to ask NATO members to spend 2% on defence, as it's part of the NATO principles (and I cannot blame him) and it's also true that not everyone pays their dues. However, it is a separate issue to trade and the 'EU" as the EU isn't a NATO member, and NATO is far more than just the countries of the EU. Wouldn't you too be frustrated with this unfair trade arrangement?
OK - trade: Trump said "Germany is getting 60 to 70 per cent of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline” - the reality is around 20% of all oil and gas imported into Germany is from Russia, so the 'alternative facts' make a mockery of his assertions. I know Germany well, they know (and Merkel better than most) what it's like to be under the Russian boot. Trump accusing them of being "totally controlled" by Russia was a bit of a stretch, even by his standards of veracity. A pipeline from the USA is neither in the offing nor remotely practical and - as Germany has no oil, or gas reserves - it must import energy. It wasn't an affront to America, just common sense. Germany owes America a hell of a lot, the Marshall plan was incredible and is a huge part of what made Germany what it is today. Germans would never deny it, but Trump's attacks were wrong, therefore ill-judged - and have simply insulted a country that has been a totally staunch ally of the US since WWII. I am not sure how they now see the current POTUS. Sorry - but this is how it is, I know the view from both sides of the pond is radically different as I have lived on both sides of it; I do love America the country and I have many friends there. But I am sticking to facts that I can back up, just to make sure there is a balanced view here. Not a simple writing off of 500 million people over here by one man with an (arguably) loose respect for facts. /OT Oooh - Bitcoin. Hell, yes! EDIT: quoting buggered up |
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Well if peace means surrender, including siding with Putin against the findings of the Republican controlled Senate Intelligence Committee, then yes. After all, there’s nothing wrong with cock sucking. I’m sure many find it quite tasty. I certainly hope my wife does.
Merited. I think even the GOP is horrified. In his own party there is speculation as to whether Putin has something on him. In a world of conspiracy stories and 'fake news', where do I file this? And the EU is now a 'foe' of the United States. Astounding. I am sure most of my life I was taught the Americans were allies of Western Europe. Should I consider going for some weapons training? I mean, a hell of a lot of Americans seem to be visiting places near where I live. There's even a US military base not so far away. And that is not ALL sarcasm. It's just you really couldn't make this stuff up. |
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