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161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MOTO] Motocoin | Proof-of-Play | First exclusively human-minable coin on: June 04, 2014, 07:30:31 AM
There is not a chance in hell that 14002 which took 4 seconds to solve but is a 21/22 seconds long map was driven by a human at 6x increased speed. Let's be real here.

And the link to 14001 is only there so you see how short 14002 was, not saying that 14001 must have been botted. Sure, the bot could get some unlucky bruteforce streaks and not get anything for a minute or so and a human may get luckier in that time. But overall - the picture is clear here.


14416 I think happened in less than 3 seconds so I now agree with you.
162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MOTO] Motocoin | Proof-of-Play | First exclusively human-minable coin on: June 04, 2014, 07:03:24 AM
Well, damn. I take that back.

Check out the solve times of these blocks:

http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14251 02:22:22
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14252 02:22:29
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14253 02:22:39

http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14257 02:23:56
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14258 02:24:04

http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14001 00:16:33
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14002 00:16:37

And there's many more like that.

Let's not panic here but speak of what does this mean for Motocoin's future.

My 2 cents:

The target time will soon get to 9-10 seconds or whatever length long enough for even bots to struggle with finding a clear path faster than the target block generation time of 1 minute. I have mined about 300 blocks, most of them when target was 18-23 seconds and the reward was 100 coins and only got a time of 10 seconds once, never under that. Perhaps a smart enough pathfinding algorithm can find that kind of maps in crazy short times.

The bad news is - the automation tool(s) are surely only at the hands of some talented, fortunate person or 2-3 at most, who will reap the benefits of their incredible showcase of programming wisdom for possibly quite some time before someone else does the same. Open-source would probably be the best route to go to challenge the bot dominating the mining right now.

OR Motocoin needs a serious hardfork of bot-breaking changes to the physics, bike behaviour or map generation.

Hmmm. Block found in <5 secs = bot
But I suspect that it is more likely a problem with the timing blockexplorer? If you actually look at the replays, it doesn't look like bot. For example 14001. And also one of the ones you listed I think I got.
163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Regarding the fair distribution of a new cryptocurrency. on: June 03, 2014, 02:55:26 AM
->Before ASICS and GPU mining anyone with a PC could mine BTC. This meant it was possible for a widely distributed p2p network without consolidation of power and funds to the people with power and funds.

No, that's because very few people were using bitcoin at the time...

Regardless of how many people are mining at any time, it is the method of mining I am talking about.
If you need a special machine that costs $10000 to mine, then only people with $10000 to invest will be able to mine and hence they will get more $$ and be able to buy more machines and so get more $$ and so the richer get richer. If anyone with a home PC can mine and compete with anyone else, that inherently is a more fair, safer and stable system.
BTC was not designed for ASIC mining, the rise if ASICs is a problem. This is why we have things like Litecoin etc. This is why we have POS systems.
This is why I started this thread. Because none of these solutions work as well as the game as far as I know.
164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Regarding the fair distribution of a new cryptocurrency. on: June 03, 2014, 01:36:21 AM
The rise of ASICs (although predicted) is a glitch in this plan. With ASICs it is once again a situation of the rich getting richer, money making money.

How was it different before ASICs arrive?

Recently there has been the release of a coin that at the moment ensures that a human being is actively engaging in a game of skill and luck to compete with others in finding blocks.

Ain't nobody got time for that!

How was it different before ASICs arrive?
->Before ASICS and GPU mining anyone with a PC could mine BTC. This meant it was possible for a widely distributed p2p network without consolidation of power and funds to the people with power and funds.

Ain't nobody got time for that!
-> If you have something better to do with your time then that is great. If you are a farmer, builder, teacher or something useful then awesome. Hopefully we can use cryptocurrencies to remove all the unnecessary middlemen who shave value from the creators. If you are stuck in a place with nothing better to do with your time and your time is worth less than $10/h, then play the game and secure the network as you do. Hopefully you can then save some money up for training or starting a business and so work yourself up until you "ain't got time for that!".
165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Regarding the fair distribution of a new cryptocurrency. on: June 02, 2014, 09:31:38 PM
It seems to me like the initial idea of Bitcoin was that the process of mining would secure the network, reward participants and ensure honesty.
The rise of ASICs (although predicted) is a glitch in this plan. With ASICs it is once again a situation of the rich getting richer, money making money.
Thanks to ASICs we now have a slew of cryptocurrencies trying to solve this problem.

The most innovative solution I have seen is something I think a lot of people have missed, hence me starting this thread. Perhaps this is something that can be built on.
Recently there has been the release of a coin that at the moment ensures that a human being is actively engaging in a game of skill and luck to compete with others in finding blocks.
Since anyone can mine anywhere in the world (with an internet connection), this is the most egalitarian coin I have come across and I am fascinated by the fact that this has not gained wider attention.

Check out this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591724.0

Conflict of interest: I have 100 for sale on C-Cex at 0.5 BTC
166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Motocoin - Proof of Play cryptocurrency on: June 01, 2014, 10:22:57 PM
This is me today.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

BWhahahaha!
This is my favorite MMO game ever!
167  Economy / Speculation / Re: This forum is full of future millionaires on: June 01, 2014, 02:29:48 AM
21 mil btc
Means that only 21 mil people will be able to own a full btc at any specific time.
There are lots of people on earth and in a few years pop will stabilize at 10bil if you believe Hans Rosling.

If you own a BTC you are in the minority now and in the future.

It is dangerous to make money the goal of your life.
A better reason to support cryptocurrencies is if you support the advancement of humanity.
Call me a technolibertarian and a techno-utopian or whatever... but if we can have a way for people to live long and healthy with enough food and resources for everyone then what would wealth matter, why would you necessarily want to be richer than anyone else. Already now you can do more than the wealthiest man alive 100 years ago.

I find the people in this thread claiming 10mil is the new million ridiculous. If you have any idea what people like you and me live and survive with in some places of the world the idea of a million dollars (or even $100) would seem like a dream.

Steve Jobs was very rich. Then he got cancer and now he is dead. Working together we may one day solve problems like cancer. Years ago a measles killed so many, now we vaccinate and don't even need to think about it. (In fact the vaccination works so well that some people have stopped believing in measles!)

The problem I have with the focus being on making money is that this way of thinking incubates scammers and fraudsters for who the end goal is money and who miss the bigger picture.
And every added scam and fraud detracts and places obstacles in the way of cryptocurrencies achieving the utility they could.
But hell if you support this and invest purely for personal gain then please do, just keep honest too.

/sermon
168  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: XBC / XBT > BTC on: June 01, 2014, 12:05:19 AM
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169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SilkCoin | PoW/PoS | Redesigned GUI & Wallet | Full Time Devs on: May 31, 2014, 02:24:26 AM
Alright i have bought in.

Crazy how under-looked and undervalued this coin is right now.

Summary for anyone asking why:

-Developers working on this coin full time! These guys are the real deal, just open the wallet and you will see what i mean
-Most beautiful and full featured wallet I have ever seen(integrated block explorer, irc channel, market data statistics)  
-Upcoming Worlds first torrent/blockchain browser allowing for a decentralized web browsing network; its own darknet!, finally a place to use your coins!
-Possible integration of the worlds first decentralized Marketplace
-Guaranteed implementation of integrated exchange! easily buy and sell coins without having to go outside the client!
-A more fairer way of distribution: mix of POW and POS before going full POS at 2% p.a (No more wasting electricity or being in a hash-power rat race)
-Planned implementation of Anonymity


And a tonne of other features, I have only scratched the surface of what's to come.

Look at the marketcap for this coin right now and tell me your not hallucinating.

The social media marketing campaign has barely even started, once that starts picking up, you better believe the current 53rd position on coinmarketcap will be nothing more but a pipe dream.



 

Positive post - nice one, but I must say NXT already offer a decentralized marketplace.  Would be nice if SC could do something in that way - but "world first" is not actually true.

I would call the nxt market place more like an asset exchange. All you can do on it is issue tokens and buy and sell them.

I'm talking marketplace as in ebay, Silk road, cryptothrift, openbazzar(AKA darkmarket) Buying and selling goods and services through listing items.

The market place I am referring to would be worlds first.

Nxt forum boards have discussed implementing it:

https://nxtforum.org/meta-forum/own-board-for-decentralized-anonymous-marketplace/?PHPSESSID=fou9s9l6bolhnib5jpbf7olce4

&

https://nxtforum.org/trading-exchanges/350-000-nxt-bounty-physical-goods-store/

And they don't say anywhere that an asset exchange == Decentralized Marketplace

So you are wrong but I can see how you might of got confused.


I was just wondering if something like that is possible and could be implemented safely in the wallet.
I have heard that TOR is going to be incorporated somehow.

What would be great is if there was a way to do direct, trustless BTC/SC trading via the wallet itself and free SC from exchanges.
What would also be great would be for easy and secure access to a trading platform (perhaps via TOR?)
170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Motocoin - Proof of Play cryptocurrency. IMPORTANT: Update your wallet!!! on: May 30, 2014, 11:41:07 PM
Is it just me or is the map getting bigger?

Nope.
Map has not changed and is not planned to change.
171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Motocoin - Proof of Play cryptocurrency. IMPORTANT: Update your wallet!!! on: May 30, 2014, 02:12:33 PM
Freaky to think this will be below 17 tomorrow.
How? 8k comes before the next limit update, so it will probably be 60s.
Has anyone since block 2000 had two in a row?
I'm sure dozens of miners have. My best was five in a row at 20s limit.



Great, I didn't realize quite where we were in the run up to block 8000 reset.

Nice work on 5 in a row. That is pretty good going! Hard to do that now lol.
172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SilkCoin | PoW/PoS | Redesigned GUI & Wallet | Full Time Devs on: May 30, 2014, 01:51:40 PM
Do you have to trade on mintpal to vote there?

You only have to have an account no trading required

Q

Hmmm, I signed up it says I need a larger trade history to vote. I wonder how large. Happy to trade there as well if ppl think the voting is important. To be honest any exchange that doesn't list SC will miss out sooner or later.
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Motocoin - Proof of Play cryptocurrency. IMPORTANT: Update your wallet!!! on: May 30, 2014, 01:44:42 PM
At 18 secs this is now too frustrating for me.
I can't wait for block 8000.

Freaky to think this will be below 17 tomorrow. 17 secs to finish that map! Crazy!
Just goes to show how the playing of this has picked up.

Has anyone since block 2000 had two in a row?
174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SilkCoin | PoW/PoS | Redesigned GUI & Wallet | Full Time Devs on: May 30, 2014, 01:42:44 PM
Do you have to trade on mintpal to vote there?
175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SilkCoin | PoW/PoS | Redesigned GUI & Wallet | Full Time Devs on: May 30, 2014, 01:34:01 AM
I have a dumb question:

To maximize staking: should I send all my coins to myself in one address?


Also:
some spelling mistakes in new tutorial page:
In settings->options you can set Reservebalance (it's the amount you don't want to stack)
In settings->options->display you can tick coin control, so you can control what coin you send (don't send old coins)
In settings you can unlock wallet for stacking only if you encrypted it.

Should be stake rather than stack?


P.S: dev I think you are onto it and applaud the way you are doing things. I am so sick of crappy devs that it makes me want to throw a party to celebrate a dev that is actually developing a great! coin. Thanks.

Thanks for the mistakes we'll correct that asap no real work has been done on this menu yet. Yea I forgot to talk about the tutorial menu because this is sort of a mockup, it will be way more complete and sexy in the next update.

As for staking yea I believe if you send a whole amount to yourself it will make a cleaner stake. But be careful not sending from this whole sum with coin control. Also it will reset your coin-age when you do this transaction to yourself.

edit : since POS block generation include luck it's maybe better to have multiple stake with different coin age, i'm not quite sure about all that I'll ask the devs tomorrow

I actually like having the different coin age deposits staking differently. It means lots of staking going on and feels very dynamic. Even if it is just tiny amounts it is great to see movement in the wallet. (Camel pun also intended.)

I just noticed that the transaction details under Type for the staked/mined transactions also say stacked rather than staked.
I'm wondering if you shouldn't just call it something else completely. It is still Proof of Stake because that is what people are aware of and comfortable with but maybe the "mined/staked" could just be "created" or something.
176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SilkCoin | PoW/PoS | Redesigned GUI & Wallet | Full Time Devs on: May 30, 2014, 01:05:13 AM
I know this might be a somehow childish question. But I bought a good amount of SC at 3000.  Roll Eyes Now we're trading at 1500...  Cry
Do you expect the price to rise anytime soon? What are your predictions for price range in the near future?
But apart of that: Very nice coin!

I have been looking for competent devs with a plan for a while now.
Silkcoin devs seem to have it together.
So far from what I have seen their modus operandi is: look at works from other coins and incorporate it beautifully into an easy to use and attractive wallet.
The POW is used as a way to distribute the coins so that no one can cry "foul" later.
The two stages is for everyone to see how the first POS period works out and then join in the second phase.

So far I have been very impressed with how everything works during POS.

What I expect will happen if devs keep to the same pattern:
With the next POW phase difficulty will shoot through the roof, there will be an initial surge in price and then a rapid drop to the levels we are at at the moment.
It depends a bit on how effective the shock and awe publicity campaign is in how wide adoption is during second POW.

Once POW ends the trading will slow down for a bit and then devs will release a wallet update borrowing some features from other recently popular coins.
Price will hopefully steadily climb from there.
I think Silkcoin is something to get into anytime between now and the end of second POW and then wait to see what happens.
Effectively we are gambling that dev knows what they are doing and so far all indications are that it is a good bet.
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SilkCoin | PoW/PoS | Redesigned GUI & Wallet | Full Time Devs on: May 29, 2014, 11:46:05 PM
Can't some one develop a price widget for silkcoin?

This site supports Silk Coin: https://www.cryptonator.com/widget

Also see my site: http://www.judgecrypto.com/

Does this help?

Judge Crypto

Also: there is one built into wallet or do I misunderstand you?
178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Motocoin - Proof of Play cryptocurrency. IMPORTANT: Update your wallet!!! on: May 29, 2014, 12:45:50 PM
Wait for the coin to be spread widely and for its value to stabilise itself. Do not think about exchanges for now - the coin still needs to reach the hands of a lot more people before even thinking about such medium-sized exchanges. Avoid the same-old newbie mistakes of buying a couple hundred coins of a currency and immediately wanting it to hit a bigger exchange - the value will rise for a few days at most and then crumble quickly. Wait until the Dev team irons out most of the major problems in MOTO first.

Sure, itīs a new coin with a innovate system, but the devs says than one day (close) it will be imposible to mine it, so it really donīt have a "long way", itīs a coin for this year and no more.
It will never be impossible. It may be extremly hard but not impossible.

I have been motomining since day 1 (got some of the first blocks) and I was still able to get a block now.
Soon we will go to 1 min blocks and 20 coin rewards. This will mean less F6 and more skill needed to play since you will be racing your ass off to get the coin or the map will change.
We will still drift back down to 20 sec levels at some stage but then you will just have to play the map you are dealt every time and hope for the best because someone out there will get a good map and get the coin (and the more people playing the more challenging it will get).

I don't get who is actually selling MOTO so cheaply at the moment. Must be someone desperate for money. The fact is that getting a coin now is hard and it will get harder and harder.
This is a good thing and means more people are playing. It is also nice that machines can't mine this so every time the map changes you know someone else just made some MOTO.
Every time you get a coin you change the map for everyone, causing frustration all around the globe!


WilliamLie I think everything is working beautifully and I don't think you should plan on any more changes in the near future. See how it goes after block 8000 first and let things settle back into the adjusted block time difficulty. A future change is perhaps to change it from 20 coins to 10 coin reward and change the block time to 30 secs. This might even it out so that everybody has to play the map they are given since they will be on a new map every 30 secs with only 30 secs to complete! Which means the person who is lucky enough to get a map that can be completed and with the skill to do it before the other lucky ones will get the coins.

People are catching onto Motocoin and the price is rising. This is a great way to distribute a cryptocurrency. It is not people with money who end up getting more money but anyone with a PC who is happy to put in the time.

P.S at the moment you and the devs from Silkcoin are my favorite in the business, keep up the good work!
179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SilkCoin | PoW/PoS | Redesigned GUI & Wallet | Full Time Devs on: May 29, 2014, 12:10:32 AM
I have a dumb question:

To maximize staking: should I send all my coins to myself in one address?


Also:
some spelling mistakes in new tutorial page:
In settings->options you can set Reservebalance (it's the amount you don't want to stack)
In settings->options->display you can tick coin control, so you can control what coin you send (don't send old coins)
In settings you can unlock wallet for stacking only if you encrypted it.

Should be stake rather than stack?


P.S: dev I think you are onto it and applaud the way you are doing things. I am so sick of crappy devs that it makes me want to throw a party to celebrate a dev that is actually developing a great! coin. Thanks.
180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SilkCoin | PoW/PoS | Redesigned GUI & Wallet | Full Time Devs on: May 28, 2014, 09:29:42 PM
The dev is what makes a coin work in the short term and community in the long term but a competent dev is needed right through.
This I why I think silkcoin is going places.
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