[ANN][MOTO] Motocoin

[u5sos]

motocoin...    

very promising coin

[Vz]

We made it!

*what the hell) Blocks start to go sooo fast.. I collect nothing for that two hours)..

[cryptoyeah]

formulacoin, hitmancoin, gtacoin, dukenukemcoin, tom&jerrycoin, cs1.6coin, wolfensteincoin, princecoin, nfscoin....

we are the champions!  we are the gamblers!

[merlin0113]

The last 100 blocks averaged at 27.89 seconds to finish, is this still playable for "average" human? What I mean is is this game already botted? It would be kind and nice to hear all your voice.
As for my self, I seldom find more than one block per hour after 8000.

[sparkster]

It's over.

[HunterMinerCrafter]

It seems that the bots are now dominating.

[e1ghtSpace]

It seems that the bots are now dominating.

Is there actually bots?

[e1ghtSpace]

I smell a dump on c-cex.

[psychocoin]

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

[psychocoin]

Well, damn. I take that back.

Check out the solve times of these blocks:

http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14251 02:22:22
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14252 02:22:29
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14253 02:22:39

http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14257 02:23:56
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14258 02:24:04

http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14001 00:16:33
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14002 00:16:37

And there's many more like that.

Let's not panic here but speak of what does this mean for Motocoin's future.

My 2 cents:

The target time will soon get to 9-10 seconds or whatever length long enough for even bots to struggle with finding a clear path faster than the target block generation time of 1 minute. I have mined about 300 blocks, most of them when target was 18-23 seconds and the reward was 100 coins and only got a time of 10 seconds once, never under that. Perhaps a smart enough pathfinding algorithm can find that kind of maps in crazy short times.

The bad news is - the automation tool(s) are surely only at the hands of some talented, fortunate person or 2-3 at most, who will reap the benefits of their incredible showcase of programming wisdom for possibly quite some time before someone else does the same. Open-source would probably be the best route to go to challenge the bot dominating the mining right now.

OR Motocoin needs a serious hardfork of bot-breaking changes to the physics, bike behaviour or map generation.

[Jacqul]

Well, damn. I take that back.

Check out the solve times of these blocks:

http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14251 02:22:22
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14252 02:22:29
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14253 02:22:39

http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14257 02:23:56
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14258 02:24:04

http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14001 00:16:33
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_id=14002 00:16:37

And there's many more like that.

Let's not panic here but speak of what does this mean for Motocoin's future.

My 2 cents:

The target time will soon get to 9-10 seconds or whatever length long enough for even bots to struggle with finding a clear path faster than the target block generation time of 1 minute. I have mined about 300 blocks, most of them when target was 18-23 seconds and the reward was 100 coins and only got a time of 10 seconds once, never under that. Perhaps a smart enough pathfinding algorithm can find that kind of maps in crazy short times.

The bad news is - the automation tool(s) are surely only at the hands of some talented, fortunate person or 2-3 at most, who will reap the benefits of their incredible showcase of programming wisdom for possibly quite some time before someone else does the same. Open-source would probably be the best route to go to challenge the bot dominating the mining right now.

OR Motocoin needs a serious hardfork of bot-breaking changes to the physics, bike behaviour or map generation.

Hmmm. Block found in <5 secs = bot
But I suspect that it is more likely a problem with the timing blockexplorer? If you actually look at the replays, it doesn't look like bot. For example 14001. And also one of the ones you listed I think I got.

[psychocoin]

There is not a chance in hell that 14002 which took 4 seconds to solve but is a 21/22 seconds long map was driven by a human at 6x increased speed. Let's be real here.

And the link to 14001 is only there so you see how short 14002 was, not saying that 14001 must have been botted. Sure, the bot could get some unlucky bruteforce streaks and not get anything for a minute or so and a human may get luckier in that time. But overall - the picture is clear here.

[Jacqul]

There is not a chance in hell that 14002 which took 4 seconds to solve but is a 21/22 seconds long map was driven by a human at 6x increased speed. Let's be real here.

And the link to 14001 is only there so you see how short 14002 was, not saying that 14001 must have been botted. Sure, the bot could get some unlucky bruteforce streaks and not get anything for a minute or so and a human may get luckier in that time. But overall - the picture is clear here.

14416 I think happened in less than 3 seconds so I now agree with you.

[WilliamLie2]

There is not a chance in hell that 14002 which took 4 seconds to solve but is a 21/22 seconds long map was driven by a human at 6x increased speed. Let's be real here.

And the link to 14001 is only there so you see how short 14002 was, not saying that 14001 must have been botted. Sure, the bot could get some unlucky bruteforce streaks and not get anything for a minute or so and a human may get luckier in that time. But overall - the picture is clear here.

14416 I think happened in less than 3 seconds so I now agree with you.
I really wasn't expecting this to happen so fast. Oh well.

Times in blocks are not precise. You can just set your system time to several minutes in past and you will be able to generate block in negative amount of time. You can even find such blocks in block explorer, where next block was generated before previous, at least according to their times. In fact, it just means that these times can not be fully trusted.

[Jacqul]

There is not a chance in hell that 14002 which took 4 seconds to solve but is a 21/22 seconds long map was driven by a human at 6x increased speed. Let's be real here.

And the link to 14001 is only there so you see how short 14002 was, not saying that 14001 must have been botted. Sure, the bot could get some unlucky bruteforce streaks and not get anything for a minute or so and a human may get luckier in that time. But overall - the picture is clear here.

14416 I think happened in less than 3 seconds so I now agree with you.
I really wasn't expecting this to happen so fast. Oh well.

Times in blocks are not precise. You can just set your system time to several minutes in past and you will be able to generate block in negative time. You can even find such blocks in block explorer, where next block was generated before previous, at least according to their times. In fact, it just means that these times can not be fully trusted.

Shhh WilliamLie2, I'm about to buy a shitload of MOTO on C-Cex!

[merlin0113]

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

Actually there is 3 seconds record there. See 13435-13436 at explorer.
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=c3da209ef4ce39ae02d5902b83655255dd45f196808433533a3709b5f21d6c78

[psychocoin]

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

Actually there is 3 seconds record there. See 13435-13436 at explorer.
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=c3da209ef4ce39ae02d5902b83655255dd45f196808433533a3709b5f21d6c78

Yes, I said that before I actually checked enough blocks to see myself.

[WilliamLie2]

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

Actually there is 3 seconds record there. See 13435-13436 at explorer.
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=c3da209ef4ce39ae02d5902b83655255dd45f196808433533a3709b5f21d6c78

Yeah, and this block was solved one minute before previous: http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=b7168e3d33db75a388c20195c212bc2655090c9e05709d23fef028d0e5cd0262

[Jacqul]

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

Actually there is 3 seconds record there. See 13435-13436 at explorer.
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=c3da209ef4ce39ae02d5902b83655255dd45f196808433533a3709b5f21d6c78

Yeah, and this block was solved one minute before previous: http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=b7168e3d33db75a388c20195c212bc2655090c9e05709d23fef028d0e5cd0262

Actually there is an hour difference isn't there? jumps from 20h to 21h and back.
Thanks for your explanation by the way WilliamLie.

[WilliamLie2]

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

Actually there is 3 seconds record there. See 13435-13436 at explorer.
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=c3da209ef4ce39ae02d5902b83655255dd45f196808433533a3709b5f21d6c78

Yeah, and this block was solved one minute before previous: http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=b7168e3d33db75a388c20195c212bc2655090c9e05709d23fef028d0e5cd0262

Actually there is an hour difference isn't there? jumps from 20h to 21h and back.
Thanks for your explanation by the way WilliamLie.

Yes, actually it is just block 7872 that has wrong time. You can find similar blocks for Bitcoin as well.