Usually, it is best to try something out before trying to poke holes in it or to outright dismiss it, it's a bit narrow minded. And "simple" usually has better results with regard to software in comparison with complicated solutions.
I take voting seriously, if you call that narrow minded, well... If you implement a voting system, that has to be based on trust. I just show you what you have to be ahead of if you do not think in advance about how you want to implement that. You can take my advice or leave it. The problem is that I ask for a technical explanation, and you are only throwing in about 3 lines that do not explain anything. So if I call that simplistic it is because you are not trying to explain. |
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3) Begin your campaign, and entice investors and users to vote for you by proving that you are a capable and viable candidate
How will the actual voting go in that way? I generated the address, have found people that want to vote for me, and then? For now, you have to be voted in manually. To Votesend your candidate a small token maybe 0.001 NRs to signify your support, the more votes that person gets, the higher the chances they will succeed. Once we get a web dev, we'll get the website updated. As for syncing, our servers at centarra are not useable at the moment, i am considering options. I am sorry to be negative, but that system cannot work. It is very simplistic and fraud will be imminent. 1. I can send multiple tokens (coins?) to my own address, each is one vote, so then I will pay for my own votes and get chosen. 2. A website cannot replace the blockchain, in fact has nothing to do with the blockchain other than that you can represent information from the blockchain on it 3. People can vote multiple times for the same person 4. How do I know who voted? In the GF I guess that other GF holders vote, but not other people, how to prevent that? |
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3) Begin your campaign, and entice investors and users to vote for you by proving that you are a capable and viable candidate
How will the actual voting go in that way? I generated the address, have found people that want to vote for me, and then? for which position?? I look at evening I meant hypothetical. I don't think anyone would vote for me now  But if I would want to, how do I get the votes? Do people just pay some NRS in that address or will there be "yes" or "no" coins? And how will we know I do not vote for myself? I am interested in a more technical explanation of the underlying technology (maybe a whitepaper?) |
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3) Begin your campaign, and entice investors and users to vote for you by proving that you are a capable and viable candidate
How will the actual voting go in that way? I generated the address, have found people that want to vote for me, and then? |
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Frigga77,
You made an investment.
Stop crying about it.
I for one would of chalked it up to a loss and moved on long ago if that was how I felt.
I wont dissect what you have said, but the fact you think you deserve something when the block chains are merged because you are a GF holder is absolutely ignorant.
Nice way of saying take a hike, because otherwise I would endanger your investment Maybe, in the near future, you will remember my concerns and warnings. For now, I really hope that all of you will get the profit you are striving for. Be wise. |
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Frigga77
Be positive, constructive and you will see better profits for you and the ones around you. And if you really don't like "waiting".. then go and help barwizi. If you really want the trust you initially put over the GF. Go and help debug the code for example. But do something positive...
I don't have anything against any of you. But, be positive and helpful. Otherwise just use IRC or anything like that to chat and save tons of useless reading, by posting a final summary or conclusion with your opinions.
Regards and think about being evolutionary positive...
I think you should dig into my history on Bitcointalk, you will find that I am positive and constructive 99% of the time. |
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When I learned of the GF fund, I purposely did not invest, because I knew what it represented. It was not definitive about what was going to happen and my investments were scarce enough that I didn't want to blindly take the plunge on a hope and a prayer. Well some GF investors did exactly that, they simply got excited and threw their money into the pot hoping that while everyone else was doing it, it might yield something. Now listen how stupid they sound, I quote: We wait, we wait, we wait. We are still waiting. How long? A day? A week? A month? A year? At least you could have done something to compensate for the long waiting.
Long waiting? Are you kidding me? NRS was announced around Feb 2014. It is still in its first year of development. Most new businesses lose money the first year or two of start up. .... These GF holders and other NRS investors have no idea that instead of seeing the yields and corrections they want, they are actually the exact same people that might be hurting their own investment, maybe even permanently by doing this.. Thanks for pointing out that my investment in the GF was a risky one, a risk you were not willing to take. Maybe you can also see that making the mining option possible (mining at least 16 or maybe much more BTC), we have made possible the infrastructure you are having profit from now. The money from the mining option must be somewhere in the organisation, God knows where, but we, GF did not profit. Personally I don't really care about the BTC I have put inside. Like I have said before, I have found a good investment that has brought me much more profit then this will ever give me. What I am angry about is the way things are portrayed. If you can do some reading, you can also read that Barwizi, accidentally or purposely, has not been clear about the role of the GF holders in this new chain. If he would manage well, he would have given us SOMETHING in order to keep us a bit satisfied. Promises were not kept time and time again. Promise: GF holders will profit from the BTC mining done by the machines bought. Fact: I have seen maybe 150 NRS, but no accounting has been done for the mining up till today, while the mining is already done there for 5 or 6 months. I am waiting for the accounting Promise: GF holders will profit from the mining pool, and get the fees. Fact: Never saw a dime from that, the project was killed after one or two weeks. I am waiting for this to come online again, because it has never been formally canceled. Promise: GF holders will profit from the new lottochain Fact: There will not be a lotto chain, instead it is planned to be implemented in a merge of NoirShares and Noirbits and the code is far from finished, and if this goes the way of the other two promises above, this will never happen. But ok I am waiting for this promise to become true. Promise: There will be accounting for the mining operation and the premine. Fact: This is still not done, after 3 months. But of course, I am waiting for the accounting, could be today, could be next year, but who cares, it is only the bitcoins that was mined with my money. And of course I understand how hard it is to code, and how difficult creating something can be. But taking into account what has happened in the 7 months existence of NoirShares things in NRS go about 4 times slower than in other coins! But of course, I can give the developer a little credit and am waiting for the outcome. And accusing the GF holders that they are devalueing their own share by standing up for their rights might sound like a legitimate statement, but in fact you are telling me to keep my mouth shut while things are not going like they should. Really, I have been biting my tongue more than you know, I have not said even half of what I want to say, just because I keep in mind it could devalue the share. I really have been waiting for things to improve, but from my viewpoint, the position of the GF holders is not improving, it is diminishing. I am still waiting to vote for a lot of decisions that have been made on our behalf without consulting us. For the record: I did not get any offers for my share yet Come and buy! Rewards will be big! Don't wait! Dive in! Oh BTW I could not wait until after the weekend to react on this posting, sorry. edit: I want to state that things said in my reactions are my own point of view and in no way represent the point of view of the other GF holders. Although I am very curious what their point of view is. I added this because of this: Now listen how stupid they sound, I quote: We wait, we wait, we wait. We are still waiting. How long? A day? A week? A month? A year? At least you could have done something to compensate for the long waiting.
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I will refrain from cluttering this thread, but I am angry, and with reason. I will try to take a break and see if I can be more objective after the weekend. But please consider my points, because they ARE valid.
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You've also provided no information about the number of coins that will be taken from this new merged coin and dispersed to shareholders. I'm assuming that will be the case, so what is that %?
This question has never been answered by the CEO or CMO or which C.O ever, which also gave me the impression GF holders were going to have a stake. Otherwise you could have said he was wrong in assuming this. You'll note that his comments are deleted without being read. Yes I also noted that you have been deleting 3 of my posts that were holding vital information about what was said in the former thread. So anyone who wants to know, read the last 10 pages of the former thread and see for yourself. I deleted your posts because you were spamming, you asked a question, and instead of waiting for an answer began pouring posts here with abundant use of large text and red color. I have no problem answering your questions, which i believe i have already done. However, you at least made it a point to may these were your interpretations and you even quoted an assumption made by Koontas. Let me ask you this...does it make sense for me to allocate you NRS off the direct codebase and not from the DAC integrated into NRS? Would you be asking for a share in NRS codebase if it was not a merge? You seem not to get the point but let me spell it out: You have given the impression that GF holders would have a share in the new blockchain. So that is what they, or at least I, expected. GF holders have been giving their money to you when NRS was still nothing. They have done so because they believed in NRS and in order to benefit. They have had almost no benefit whatsoever since (I have had some NRS, maybe 150 or so or less for the 0.26 BTC I invested, which at that time were worth around 0.0002 BTC each). The money we invested we cannot use to buy the new NRS! It is not liquid! We got nothing for our support, and are said to wait. We wait, we wait, we wait. We are still waiting. How long? A day? A week? A month? A year? At least you could have done something to compensate for the long waiting. But instead you consider the NRS and NRB holders more important than the GF holders, who are just as important! |
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Re: [NRS|NoirShares] POW ENDING at 50k | DACs | MANDATORY WALLET UPDATE 6/23/2014
August 31, 2014, 01:22:22 PM
#2164
Quote from: Mario241077 on August 31, 2014, 10:28:10 AM
I've understood correctly ?? GF Share remain separate from NRS ??
That do you mean on top?
what is a sharedrop?
if more people vote that we start a new chain altogether, leaving NRS as basic sharebase, then sharedrop for the average NRS holder is exactly their holdings. For a GF shareholder it it their holdings + a % representing their stake in the company. Newcomers can become GF shareholders by buying shares from holders. My understanding is that user lajz99 and Lemon and Fries are looking to offload their shares.
lajz99 aka Koontas holds 0.0234 that is 2.34% of the general fund
Lemon and fries holds 0.0060 that is 0.6 % of the general fund.
You are free to contact them and negotiate prices. Be sure to use escrow if you chose to transact with anyone on this forum.
This also gave me the impression GF shareholders would get a stake in the new blockchain. I can go on quoting, found another one also, so my question is: Why do GF holders not have a stake in the new blockchain while you have given the impression they would? And how are you going to compensate them? They do not because the codebase is different and it is a merger, NOT a NEW DAC. They get 80% of proceeds from the lotto, that is how it will be rather than continuous offering of shares that cannot be interchanges easily. The ideas i had were either bad or just did not make sense when put into practice. I think you should wait until the software is full deployed, then we can see which interpretations are correct or wrong. You have not commented on whether your balance is correct (assuming you were still holding NRS or NRB), so i take t you have not tried the wallet. How then will you dividends reach you if you dont even know if the wallet works ? I am currently only GF holder. I do not own NRS or NRB for quite some time now (since July). I have tried the wallet. Must say it is a good copy of Cinnicoin (because I know you did copy Cinnicoin). I have tried to play lotto with a few coins I just mined. Does not work. I know why, because the whole lotto part is not even active yet. So how am I supposed to get profit from it? I have clicked on the voting part but see it only refers to the website, but not even something remotely seems to be working on that account. I don't know if the import works, because I have nothing to import. If import works, than that is the only thing that is different from Cinnicoin, which would be good, but not nearly what you have promised. |
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You've also provided no information about the number of coins that will be taken from this new merged coin and dispersed to shareholders. I'm assuming that will be the case, so what is that %?
This question has never been answered by the CEO or CMO or which C.O ever, which also gave me the impression GF holders were going to have a stake. Otherwise you could have said he was wrong in assuming this. You'll note that his comments are deleted without being read. Yes I also noted that you have been deleting 3 of my posts that were holding vital information about what was said in the former thread. So anyone who wants to know, read the last 10 pages of the former thread and see for yourself. |
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Re: [NRS|NoirShares] POW ENDING at 50k | DACs | MANDATORY WALLET UPDATE 6/23/2014
August 31, 2014, 01:22:22 PM
#2164
Quote from: Mario241077 on August 31, 2014, 10:28:10 AM
I've understood correctly ?? GF Share remain separate from NRS ??
That do you mean on top?
what is a sharedrop?
if more people vote that we start a new chain altogether, leaving NRS as basic sharebase, then sharedrop for the average NRS holder is exactly their holdings. For a GF shareholder it it their holdings + a % representing their stake in the company. Newcomers can become GF shareholders by buying shares from holders. My understanding is that user lajz99 and Lemon and Fries are looking to offload their shares.
lajz99 aka Koontas holds 0.0234 that is 2.34% of the general fund
Lemon and fries holds 0.0060 that is 0.6 % of the general fund.
You are free to contact them and negotiate prices. Be sure to use escrow if you chose to transact with anyone on this forum.
This also gave me the impression GF shareholders would get a stake in the new blockchain. I can go on quoting, found another one also, so my question is: Why do GF holders not have a stake in the new blockchain while you have given the impression they would? And how are you going to compensate them? |
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You are guaranteed a permanent income from this DAC, ie your initial drop + % of profits/claims relevant to your investment. 3) Because (being dveloped) it is hard coded into NRS or any new Sharebases, even when the CFO, COO and CEO are not available, you still get your income, (completely trustless system) because it is handled by the client.
My interpretation of this is there is an initial amount I am entitled to as a GF fund holder in this new chain. |
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nice word play, however, this is a merge of two chains, it is not a new sharebase and GF shareholders are paid for the lotto, not for the existence of NRS. I have already revised the standard of GF shareholders to make them viable, however, churning out % of NRS is not ideal in a swap because we are basically just mapping two chain to one. Please read through the thread.
What do you mean by: have revised the standard of GF shareholders to make them more viable? Meaning that we are restructuring with the goal of profit for GF shareholders. . So what is the restructuring going to be? What will it look like? |
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nice word play, however, this is a merge of two chains, it is not a new sharebase and GF shareholders are paid for the lotto, not for the existence of NRS. I have already revised the standard of GF shareholders to make them viable, however, churning out % of NRS is not ideal in a swap because we are basically just mapping two chain to one. Please read through the thread.
What do you mean by: have revised the standard of GF shareholders to make them more viable? |
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Can someone please refer me to the part in the original thread where it says that GF fund holders will only get lotto benefits?
BTW I am considering to sell my part in the General Fund. Please send me your offers in PM. Let me see what you think my stake is worth. I got 0.52 stake I believe (have put in 0.26 BTC)
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I have asked a question, even repeated it and did not get an answer. I really want to know how the GF fund holders can retrieve their part from this new chain. I asked if we can import a bitcoin key, or maybe I should ask if we can import one of the private keys of the addresses we have given before and then get our part? Or is there another way?
I might have missed it, but I also would like to know what the ratio is the GF fund holders are entitled to.
This was already discussed, GF shareholders do not have a "part" in this in the sense you put it. GF shareholders are paid from lotto, which so far has only 1 tx as far as i see (will take a closer look later). The merge was simply to bring our 2 currencies together not to allocate shares to anyone. We do however have huge sums of GF funds that were held back from payout (mining op) that will need to be allocated. This will go out in a email that will come once the alpha phase is done. For now we'd like to make sure the software performs as advertised else it all falls as a moot point. Could you please refer me to the discussion about this part? I might have missed that one completely, and I would have wanted to vote on this one, don't remember having voted either? Why we did not get a percentage in this initial chain? We have given our money in February and until now seen very little for it in return. BTW, how about the accounting for the bitcoin mining? I did not see profit from the mining also. Guess until now around 16 bitcoin or more could have been mined with those machines we have been paying for? If I have no part in the initial chain here, and only will get some part of the lotto payings, which I have no control over whatsoever, and which does not function yet, I feel I am really let down here. I have invested my money here and have no saying whatsoever in anything. Please consider to make the GF fund holders a little more happy, because it sounds we are always considered the least important here! I have been trying to be patient, but the lack of information that is given to the GF fund holders is really not good. Everytime I have to ask for this. You should be more proactive with that! We as GF fund holders, who were the first to believe in NRS, and trusted you with our money deserve that! |
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I have asked a question, even repeated it and did not get an answer. I really want to know how the GF fund holders can retrieve their part from this new chain. I asked if we can import a bitcoin key, or maybe I should ask if we can import one of the private keys of the addresses we have given before and then get our part? Or is there another way?
I might have missed it, but I also would like to know what the ratio is the GF fund holders are entitled to.
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Well, to those who are mining, how do you like the reward system and the raised difficulty?
Is this testmining or mining for real? I am a little bit confused by the alpha status, that is why I ask. Also, do GF fund holders that donated bitcoins import their bitcoin key or how will it work? |
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i´m not registrated at github. here are the last entrys in debug.log "Flush(false)
blkindex.dat refcount=0
blkindex.dat checkpoint
blkindex.dat closed
wallet.dat refcount=0
wallet.dat checkpoint
wallet.dat detach
ThreadSocketHandler exited
wallet.dat closed
DBFlush(false) ended 20ms
StopNode()
ThreadOpenConnections exited
ipcThread exited
ThreadMessageHandler exited
UPNP_DeletePortMapping() returned : 0
ThreadMapPort exited
ThreadStakeMinter exiting, 0 threads remaining
Flushed 10975 addresses to peers.dat 70ms
Flush(true)
DBFlush(true) ended 0ms
NoirShares exited"The good news... mining works great   The screenshot here is different from what I get compiling the source in Ubuntu. Maybe you forgot to put the last code there? I used the Franken-code branch, but don't see the lottotab and votetab, the icons also are different... |
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