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161  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Bitcoin Win Nobel Prize? on: May 22, 2013, 09:37:38 PM
The nobel prize is an outdated metric to partition the academic world into a hierarchy over betters. It serves no purpose nor benefit to the Bitcoin ecosystem. Instead market adoption and remove to central banks will be the final metric of success and validation for Bitcoin. Besides, they gave the peace prize to someone who strapped bombs on kids to kill israelis. The award is forever compromised in my opinion.

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maybe the bitcoin community should start their own awards/prizes, mainly for development and new coins/protocols/programs etc, recgontion for some of the best ideas from within the bitcoin community where there is presently lots and lots of people working tirelessly on their ideas and inventions to make this new economy of ours work/work better, maybe give them out at the conferences, maybe btcs as prizemoney too , maybe bitcoin itself and satoshi could be given some "posthumous" award, or become the name for the biggest "breakthrough" achievement of each year, forget nobels, bitcoin should do its own thing !!!

I like the idea of a Satoshi prize that awards some jackpot of money to someone for doing something the community needs. Like developing a P2P exchange or bringing a certain amount of people into the ecosystem. It could be community funded and have a list of objective criterion.

I think the nobel prized was compromized when hitler was nominated.

However it's still respected in certain pockets so may be educational.

Love the idea of a 'Satoshi Prize' too
162  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Bitcoin Win Nobel Prize? on: May 22, 2013, 05:31:47 PM
I don't think non-humans or anonymous humans can win the prize.

That's why I suggested Gavin?
163  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Should Bitcoin Win Nobel Prize? on: May 22, 2013, 01:40:51 PM
Ted Nelson (inventor of hypertext) believes that Bitcoin should win the Nobel Prize.

I think it could potentially win 2 ... one for peace, and one for economics.  Bitcoin is *far* better than anything done by Nash or most other nobel winners, imho.

Maybe Gavin could collect the first, and satoshi the second

Would this give Bitcoin the kudos it needs to go mainstream?
164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many btc needed to retire? on: May 22, 2013, 12:58:23 PM
either 1 or 1 million
165  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Pizza Day (Laslzo Pizza Day) May 22nd TODAY! on: May 22, 2013, 12:54:54 PM
I bought 2 pizzas and shared them today for BPD ... cost was 15 bitcents

I wonder how much that will be worth in 3 years!
166  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Pizza Day (Laslzo Pizza Day) May 22nd on: May 22, 2013, 09:27:11 AM
"He who eats a slice of the bread of Satoshi, shall become as Him, and Satoshi shall become He."

167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: RIPPLE 2ND GIVEAWAY has STARTED !!! on: May 16, 2013, 06:26:34 PM
anyone else ??

didnt see anything about 100k ripples ...
168  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 1 free Ripple BTC giveaway - just post address! (Over 3 BTC gaveaway) on: May 16, 2013, 09:23:31 AM
To expose and bring awareness to the flaws in the Ripple payment system, I am giving away 1 BTC on Ripple.

This is a social experiment. Therefore, posts not consisting of an Ripple address to send 1 BTC to will be deleted.

How it works

1. Register for a bitcointalk.org forum account if you haven't
2. Complete the following steps in your light (not a full node) Ripple client:



So you can copy and paste the address we're sending your bitcoin from, it's rH3bZsvVUhzugvcYuJVoSYCEMHkfK6wHNv

3. Post your address here. I will send at least 1 BTC to your address.

That's it!

I suggest reading RippleScam.org afterwards. Please note that you must exchange your bitcoins with an liquidity provider (Ripple does this automatically, when paths are calculated) in order to withdraw them from a gateway.


A) why not use the ripple url for trust, like stamp does  https://ripple.com/client/#/trust?to=rH3bZsvVUhzugvcYuJVoSYCEMHkfK6wHNv&name=TradeFortress&tab=trust

B) what is to stop you cleaning out *other* people's BTC accounts!
169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / A Quesion for OpenCoin on: May 16, 2013, 08:57:38 AM
Just thinking about the future ... I have a hypothetical scenario ...

Consider a universe where 5 servers are running in ripple with an unique node list.

As the ledger becomes large the debate arises as to whether servers should be given XRP from the mint to compensate them for running the service.

Opencoin says no, but the other 4 says yes.

The other 4 decide to reward themselves some xrp as a one off payment and are able to reach the 80% consensus threshold.

Would opencoin be obliged to agree with the will of the consensus at this point, or would it result in the ripple network being split?

Background:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj1QVb1vlC0&feature=youtu.be

170  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whose face would you like to see on a 1BTC Coin? on: May 15, 2013, 08:59:48 PM
Satoshi or Bill Hicks
171  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Who is Satoshi - but more importantly how would we know? on: May 15, 2013, 08:15:07 PM
PGP

Keys can be stolen.

Genius cannot.
172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dwolla can no longer process deposits or withdrawals to MtGox on: May 15, 2013, 10:08:47 AM
Am I the only one finding it suspicious that such attack on MtGox came soon after CoinLab lawsuit?

Perhaps I'm just being overly paranoid, but Vesseness looks increasingly suspicious to me. He surely has some contacts... VCs, big law firms... He chose Washington D.C. to siege TBF (any place with more lobbyists per m2 in the world?).

Could he have anything to do with this?

Good point ... the thing that is really damaging is the timing

We're about to have a conference with great stuff demonstrated

But exactly one month before a whole slew of people have decided to do things very damaging to bitcoin.  At least they could have waited till post conference, in the interests of the community. 

Doesnt matter tho ... bitcoin can only get stronger and stronger.  As they say, all publicity is good publicity!
173  Economy / Economics / Re: [Irish Times] Bank deposits may be at risk due to EU regulation on: May 15, 2013, 09:44:42 AM
As far as I was aware, Ireland suffered from easy lending and being a gateway to the EU for US companies. This meant that it got a lot of infrastructure funding, which then ballooned the property prices, and this funded extravagant lifestyles.

The difference with Ireland, is that people knew it was happening, and just rode the boat, knowing it would come to an end eventually.
Other countries, such as the UK thought it was mostly down to what their governments were doing, and didn't see it was just an easy credit boom until it was much later!

Ireland is bust in the traditional sense, however, unlike previous recessions, this time, all the financial institutions know that if they don't start scrambling for debt recovery, then we won't get serious poverty.  They all know that if we were to add up all our holdings, we would not get anywhere near our debts, so why not play the long game?

This time, Europe is going through stagflation for a decade - don't expect any real growth until 2020 and even then its only going to happen if we find a new industry to invest in - maybe like bitcoin etc.

Until then, expect the EU to flex its muscles every few months - while ignoring that its own accounts haven't passed auditing in almost 20 years - pot kettle black etc! Smiley




Growth is techincally easy to generate, but politics gets in the way.  You need grow a secondary currency and build trust in it, then depricate the old failed currency.  This has happened many times in history.  But this time we have crypto which is a game changer ...
174  Economy / Economics / Re: [Irish Times] Bank deposits may be at risk due to EU regulation on: May 15, 2013, 09:41:36 AM
As far as I was aware, Ireland suffered from easy lending and being a gateway to the EU for US companies. This meant that it got a lot of infrastructure funding, which then ballooned the property prices, and this funded extravagant lifestyles.

The difference with Ireland, is that people knew it was happening, and just rode the boat, knowing it would come to an end eventually.
Other countries, such as the UK thought it was mostly down to what their governments were doing, and didn't see it was just an easy credit boom until it was much later!

Ireland is bust in the traditional sense, however, unlike previous recessions, this time, all the financial institutions know that if they don't start scrambling for debt recovery, then we won't get serious poverty.  They all know that if we were to add up all our holdings, we would not get anywhere near our debts, so why not play the long game?

This time, Europe is going through stagflation for a decade - don't expect any real growth until 2020 and even then its only going to happen if we find a new industry to invest in - maybe like bitcoin etc.

Until then, expect the EU to flex its muscles every few months - while ignoring that its own accounts haven't passed auditing in almost 20 years - pot kettle black etc! Smiley




wait wait

this is a mixed up argument

we have controls in place to prevent this happening ... that's the banking sector ... this is their CORE BUSINESS and PRIME FUNCTION ... it's not a side line ... they give loans based on ability to repay and are extremely well rewarded for this ... banks have a monopoly on this function

the loan takers are NOT to blame, because they are not the experts here, nor are they expected to be, they go to a bank and the bank will make their decision ... it's like selling someone a car with faulty brakes and when it crashes blaming the driver ...
175  Economy / Economics / Re: [Irish Times] Bank deposits may be at risk due to EU regulation on: May 15, 2013, 09:37:17 AM
Similarly to what happened to Cyprus last month, it seems like big Irish bank accounts may be at risk due to EU regulation.

News article : http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/financial-services/bank-deposits-of-over-100-000-may-be-at-risk-1.1384295

NOTE: please correct any information below if wrong because I did not verify my sources and I'm just writing what I remember on top of my head.

Ireland has less that 5 million inhabitants. Irish debt does NOT come from government spending out of control. It has two main sources:

1. Toxic derivatives. Anglo Irish Bank was mainly used as a dump for those. It was bailed out by the government (which was in turn bailed out by EU) then it went bust.
Anglo Irish Bank  was only serving the financial sectot not the public. Rumour has it that the German-led EU posed rescue of Anglo Irish Bank as a condition to the Irish government for the EU bailout. Bad mouths say it was because German banks had purchased debt from Anglo Irish that they needed to wash their hands off before closing it down.
As opposed to going to jail, former Anglo Irish Bank managers got a rich performance bonus.

2. Unpaid mortgages. At the peak of the housing bubble in 2007 real estate prices were 2 times and half what they are now. There are 90 thousand homes in Ireland whose mortgage hasn't been paid for more than 90 days. The banks are legally entitled to repossession - yet there are only few houses for sale on the market. Rumour has it that banks are not willing to sell the properties at a loss because it is more convenient to them to try and get another bailout - hoping they get third-time-lucky, who knows.

In regards to banks' liquidity situation in Ireland - rumour has it that Bank of Ireland is fine but Allied Irish Banks (no. 2) is in deep shit.

Meanwhile most Irish top bank managers are still being paid generous bonuses for having been able to negotiate bailouts with their friends at the government.

I believe Ireland is going to be the next testing ground for the Cyprus idea. The Irish Times article is already starting the "lesser evil" sweet-talk-bullshit.


Pretty much ... also dont forget the irish real estate bubble

Ireland has the presidency so it's a template for all europe

Irish banks are insolvent ... perhaps the most insolvent in the world

We're certainly going to see haircuts, this is expectations management to say they will take deposits over 100k.  They will also (and have) taken up to 100% of irish pensions.  I dont see insured deposits as being safe either.

So what it boils down to is that some bankers have been paying themselves bonuses out of the future deposit base.  They use the black swan, 'we were fooled by randomness' technique as plausible deniability.  It's not necessarily criminal, but if you put incentives there, people are going to do exactly this.  Bitcoin was invented to take these incentives away.
176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dwolla can no longer process deposits or withdrawals to MtGox on: May 15, 2013, 08:55:51 AM
Never did like Dwolla.

I did.  Until now.  I dont think they've handled the PR well.

177  Economy / Economics / Re: [Irish Times] Bank deposits may be at risk due to EU regulation on: May 15, 2013, 08:51:19 AM
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Under a compromise text proposed by the Irish presidency, uninsured deposits of over €100,000 would be bailed in in the event that a bank is resolved, but depositors would rank higher than other creditors in the event of a wind-down.

In this scenario – known as “deposit preference” – depositors would rank at the very end of the process, with other creditors first absorbing losses.

However, some member states have not ruled out the possibility that insured deposits, i.e. deposits under €100,000, would be forced to bear losses in the event of a bank collapse even though these deposits would be likely to be protected by the deposit guarantee scheme.

Most banks in europe are insolvent

Thing is  ... so are the the insurers, which are the govts ... I just dont see how this insurance is at all credible ...
178  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: War has started on: May 15, 2013, 07:23:12 AM
This is no war ... just a little expected jostling

If it ever came to war ...

... Satoshi would return ...
179  Economy / Economics / Re: Apart from Bitcoin, What Other Economic Systems may Work in The Future? on: May 14, 2013, 10:26:41 PM
I believe diversity tends to bring stability.

I'd like to write a loose overview of 10-20 economic systems and ideas that might help to liberate our economy. Virtual currencies, micro-lending, local currencies, alternatives to paypal etc.

I don't believe one sole system has the answer. I'd like to cover systems with at least two years track record, and with no gaping flaws.

Kiva, Kickstarter, Bitcoin, Dwolla, LETS systems, Barter Club... I have plenty of ideas myself, but the field is so big I might have missed something.

Are there any other strong contenders?

 Huh



We should be able to beam new coins to the poorest people in the world (via mobile phone).  Apart from the humanitarian aspect, there is sure to be a return on investment.  Consider how many einsteins and other outliers you would save alone.

That we dont do this, is the tragedy of our times. 
180  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dwolla can no longer process deposits or withdrawals to MtGox on: May 14, 2013, 10:14:35 PM
Wow guys. This is big news.

The start of a US led attack on Bitcoin is beginning.

How ironic that it begins in the USA, land of the free. It seems in this 21st century, USA is no longer land of the free. It's land of the heavily indebted ,  where government sponsored elitist cronies dictate everything in their own interest at the expense of the people at the bottom. I only hope this is not the beginning of increasing online state censorship. The internet is truly the one remaining outlet that can provide total freedom from government interference to the average citizen. Perhaps ,then, in some years US gov't will be shipping that statue of liberty back to Europe.

Land of the free...



Why do you think it's an attack on bitcoin?  It's only an attack on US participation in bitcoin ... ie an attack on itself.

Gambling is banned in the US but thrives in the UK and asia ... bitcoin is global and eventually will be accepted ubiquitously 

Some nations will just be faster to see the benefits than others ... it's not an attack on bitcoin unless every nation does it ... and some will want to be a crypto super power im sure I can think of 1 or 2 ...

I know that I am not a fan of Homeland Security.  On the last vacation I literally watched them confiscate bottles of Vodka and other beverages from passengers and then pocket them for themselves.  Hmmm.  Great security.  SO thankful that they are helping us. Oh, and I really don't want them patting down my pre-teen daughters at the airport either. This might have a reverse reaction and make more people angry and even more people want to invest in BTC.  I have been saying that I am not necessarily into BTC for ideological reasons but this is pushing me towards that very quickly!  I do not feel "free" here in the US anymore. Sad  Our freedoms are being snatched from us daily.  With BTC maybe there is some hope of having some still.  We will see. . .

Sure but not everyone is bad ... let's try and understand the case.  Never underestimate people's willingness to do the right thing when given a chance.  If people could just understand the benefits to society or to a nation, of bitcoin without fearing it, we could solve soooo many problems.  Let's try and be good educators even if we dont like some actions ...
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