Prediction of markets is most complex task - I'd say nobody can do this.

My analysis would be: Look where the buying power is after the fork and where the momentum + trend is negative / positive - measured from last local top / bottom.

You need to look at political trades (short term) and mass traders (long term).

If you look at the limited group still supporting SW1x (NO2x) - I'd say I cannot see much buy power LEFT - these are mostly all in per today.

How many (agnostic) millions will be 'directed' by NYA entities to flow in fresh capital ?

Looks like easy math and I'd bet that 1x coin will fall in txs/min  and price in a sudden .... but sure,  beware of any predictions!

Kore Minions are in for a surprise:

http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/10/24/bitcoin-fork-may-go


It is miners alone that create blocks and process transactions, with other nodes verifying the process. As such, with 15% of the hashrate, blocks on the minority chain will be very rare, averaging around 1 every two hours, but with variance it may be even a whole day without blocks.

It’s unclear how the market would react to that situation considering that at least for Coinbase this would be bitcoin itself so operating on very rare blocks.

"If the #Segwit2x change is accepted by most users, we may choose to rename these blockchains at a later date."

Way more money that is necessary to develop Tezos was collected, so I can't fathom how no money has been spent on development thus far. Sure, I can see some of the money being fought over and put on ice, but all of it?! How on earth could this happen?
For anyone jumping on me for criticising the Breitmans, they waited to tell investors this news the same day the WSJ article came out. So in other words, they kept this from them as long as possible and would have kept all in the dark forever without a news article exposing this horrendous mismanagement of investors' funds.
That is fucked up.
This should have been made public and attempt to get rid of whoever was stopping development funds months ago.

I like the enthusiasm for taking down the enemy but this makes people think NO2X is actually a threat to Bitcoin but in reality it's just a weak attack against the network and look how BTC is responding.

Really like this project and i hope i could contribute to the community in a sort of way, surely spreading the word on the web and actively trading!

Thank you for answering, but
What kind of act to alter existing rules? Please be specific about they are breaking the rules. I would like to know more about that.
What kind of disruptive and damaging? As I know, btc1 nodes has been added to the main GitHub and everyone could test it.
Then, there will be testnet before it's launched. Look at their support: over 92% https://coin.dance/blocks
As long as core developers and 2x devs follow the consensus, it's fine I guess.

Here's what Bitcoin does not need (for the third time, no less, so I might try some extra emphasis).


You can have your plush toy badger with all the health and safety warnings and no sharp edges.  I'll have the rabid honey badger that rips your damn face off if the inclination strikes.  Cry harder about your boogeymen, Bitcoin doesn't care.  



Waaaagh!  Hijackers!  Waaaagh!  Hostile Takeovers!  Waaaagh!  Sacking Developers!

Could any of you protectionist fascists sound any more juvenile?  How many more times?  There can be no takeover unless you give these corporations your private keys or your preferred dev team give them control of the repo.  Assuming you and the devs aren't dumb enough to do that, you can't have any decisions made for you.  You are in total control of your respective funds and/or repositories.  But you don't have total control over what any of the other network participants do, so quit trying.



Yes, they didn't listen and they're just including SegWit for shits and giggles.  If they weren't listening, they wouldn't have included SegWit at all.  What are you even on about?



Again with the what?  The miners are forking away.  Doesn't mean they're gone for good.  The only way you're getting rid of them permanently is with the nuclear option of an algo change.  You're perfectly free to pursue that avenue if you want.



This forum isn't capable of a peaceful Bitcoin.  

It's a 24/7/365 witch-hunt with the assclowns on this site.  They can't help themselves.



And I commend the devs on maintaining a mostly neutral stance despite the slanging match encompassing them.  This is purely about the 24/7/365 witch-hunt assclowns vs the so-called BigBlockers idiocy.  It's all just posturing at the end of the day.  Only the numbers matter.  And again, Bitcoin will be fine.

You shouldn't listen to nor take anything that Roger Ver says seriously. He's a spoiled manchild. He recently said that Bitcoin Cash is the true Bitcoin, then change his statement to 2x a few days after. His statements are worthless, nor is he or this band of suits able to define Bitcoin.

That does not necessarily have to imply that they are a Bitmain proxy (and I sure hope that they are not). There's still time for them to pull out of the agreement.

He obviously did. Such a loser with shallow knowledge and understanding.

I am not so sure about Bixin and bitcoin.com, but the others are definitely Bitmain proxies and there was *evidence* of this in the past. BITMAIN is evil.

Unfortunately, that gives Bitmain a lot of power here. People are under the impression that Bitmain doesn't care about Segwit2x because of Bitcoin Cash. I disagree. The BCH fork was largely about pushing the ecosystem away from Core. This represents another opportunity for Bitmain to do that, by making the legacy chain the weaker chain.

It's already widely believed that most of the Chinese pools (as well as BTC.com) are just Bitmain proxies. And in private, according to Greg Maxwell, Jihan Wu has bragged that Bitmain controls a majority of the hash rate outright.


This may happen but in the long term, it won't sustain. The market will eventually tip one direction or the other, and miners will follow. The question is: how much effect can miners have on the market? If most miners leave the network, that may have a big psychological effect on holders/traders.

What is this?

Segwit2x is going to happen. Why sit here and say it won't? It has so much support for miners and the companies. Making some post on a forum showing how Core doesn't want it is just making you look bad.

Everything is going to be ok.... Calm down lol. Everyone is always so on edge about hard forks, meanwhile bitcoin goes even higher each time...

im still laughing at the segwit supporters.. yea the sheep are re-bleeting out the segwit propaganda.. but when it comes to the pools that pushed for it.. the pools themself are too afraid to even use segwit transactions themselves

check out BTCC
not using segwit address to receive the coinbase(block reward)
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000088f4c787292ba94088977df200bd36ff4c6789c377f460

then when they move funds from multiple block rewards into a more structured stash.. that address too is legacy not segwit
https://blockchain.info/tx/932082ade49edd35973e80fd88f4bf51abe1b69687643a9f887b88a09b5bca44

im laughing soo hard. BTCC was the biggest pool mouthpiece supporting segwit but cant even admit they fear using segwit transactions for their own stash.

people really need to stop reading the reddit promo propaganda and instead start thinking for real and asking the real questions

Install pip (if it's not already there, but run it regardless):
sudo apt-get install pip

Install socks lib using pip:
sudo pip install PySocks

We want to bring Bitcoin to more users because it has unique features and
>> qualities (namely permissionless-ness, resistance to tx censorship,
>> resistance to inflation, pseudonymity) that the existing financial system
>> doesn't offer. The presence of these features is contrary to the interests
>> of many powerful entities (the legacy banking system, governments and their
>> surveillance agencies) and only survive thanks to Bitcoin's
>> decentralisation and absence of centralised points of failure. Being
>> willing to sacrifice or endanger Bitcoin's decentralisation to achieve
>> scaling isn't wise or forward thinking, and is completely self-defeating.
>> What's the point of on-boarding an ever greater number of users if you run
>> the risk of weakening those features and give those users the same
>> experience than current centralised paiement systems offer, e.g. tx
>> censorship, vulnerability to inflation, and government surveillance? This
>> would be a nonsensical and unproductive thing to do.
>>
>> Doing this would be all the more absurd that we now know (as we have
>> since 2015) that, before increasing base block size, we can greatly
>> increase throughput through more efficient of block space (with Segwit and,
>> in the near future, with MAST, Schnorr signatures and signatures
>> aggregation) and more importantly, with second layer technologies such as
>> the Lightning Network or sidechains. These technologies are under rapid
>> development, and will soon alleviate scaling.

Ok guys CPU mining is still worth it. Here is an updated guide to mine bismuth on https://bismuth.acc-pool.pw

I recommend using google or digital ocean for CPU mining. You should get around 300k-500k h/s per Core. Price per core can vary between 0,01 cent and 0,029 cent/hour.

1. Fire up a CPU optimized droplet
2. Install ubuntu
3. Install dependencies

   * sudo apt-get install python-twisted
   * sudo apt-get install python-pip
   * sudo apt-get install python-pip --fix-missing
   * sudo apt-get install python-socks
   * sudo apt-get install unzip

4. Download miner zip file

wget "https://www.dropbox.com/s/reeg9btnylndwrj/MinerV3.zip?dl=0"

5. Unzip Miner file

   * unzip MinerV3.zip?dl=0

6. CD into miner file

   * cd MinerV3

7. Create text file to use for launching miner

   * touch startminer.bash

8. Edit startminer.bash for your address, worker name and threads

   * nano startminer.bash

startminer.bash default text example to put in startminer.bash file

./miner bismuthaddress rigname

Replace bismuthaddress with your address (see 11.)

9. chmod files to be executable

   * chmod +x startminer.bash
   * chmod +x miner

9 1/2.

   * tmux ( If not installed run * sudo apt-get install tmux )

Then run:

  ./startminer.bash

Then press ctr + b + d. You can then close the SSH session and the miner will keep running.

On reconnect to reopen to terminal window with the miner running use this command.

   * tmux attach
  

10. start miner using the startminer.bash file (If you used tmux for vps then no need to do this command again. Ignore 9 1/2 if installing to mine on a local machine)

   * ./startminer.bash

11. Link for node and wallet https://github.com/hclivess/Bismuth/releases/ or use the online wallet made by euroline https://biswallet.acc-pool.pw