It's not me you find insufferable, it's the inconvenient truth I present here that keeps getting in the way of the positive narrative you desire.

This board is not the place where Gulden groupies get to shill their common beliefs of the greatness of their coin and it's leader. It's a place where people get to share their thoughts without being suppressed by a group of moderators.

Actually, it's Rijk's heavily censored threads and channels that have become insufferable to many of it's followers. This is why this board is still so active.

But I guess you are also notthebadest, right?  

Not here for the applause, just to counter the lies spread by certain members of the "Rijkjugend". This forum is the only place that has a platform for free speech, all other Gulden communities are extremely moderated and censored.

Well, we finally agree 100% How nice is this?!  

What do you mean? I already bought back (a bit too early it seems) twice the amount of Gulden for only 10% of the profit I made off it. So I'm not crying, hell, I'm a big fan of this bear market!

Although I detest Rijk and his nazi circle jerkers, I have never stated Gulden is a bad product. So I'll keep my options open. But as long as he is in control, don't expect miracles on the bull side just yet.

Rijk hates marketing and the people that are involved even more. He has setup an extremely closed community that is controlled by a few brainwashed gestapo like figures.

He once said (back in 2015) he only want's to market Gulden once it's perfect. Well, that will probably take decades still if he keeps pursuing perfection. At what point will he accept the product is ready for marketing? Probably only when the 650 BTC stack is gone and he needs new means of revenue.

There is NO reason whatsoever to not market a good product. All fanboys, including Rijk himself are full of how much better Gulden is compared to other crypto. Then why for the sake of Satoshi doesn't he want to sell it??? You tell me 

Yep, it mostly is Marketing (or the lack of it).

If you want to invest in something, you can do it for different reasons, but most of us are probably in it to make some money.

Would you then rather invest in:

A: A bad product that sells very well (Lot's of consumers due to good marketing)
B: A good product that sells very poor (Very few consumers due to lack of marketing)

I'll chose A to be honest.

There is an option C btw:

A good product that sells very well (Loads of consumers due to a good product and excellent marketing). This option I would prefer, but will never happen when Rijk and his gestapo keep kicking everyone out that even dare to discuss good marketing.

So, again, I'll stick to option A for now.

No if's, facts!

And you are absolutely right! I sold most of my Gulden in October 2016, so made one hell of a lot more than that lousy 40cts on them, thanks to BTC!  

10/18/2016: Sell G 1,000,000,- @ 13,000sat = 130 BTC
10/18/2017: Sell 130 BTC @ $ 19,000 = $ 2,470,000

$ 2,47 per Gulden yeahhhh!!!

But please keep cheering when Gulden gets back to 7ct's boys!

The only reason for the Euro price so rise was BTC, nothing to do with NLG. I dare to give it one more shot to explain:

If you spend $ 1,000 on BTC on Oct-18 2016, you'd get 0.180 BTC
If you sold that on Dec-18 2017, you'd get $ 3,441,- in return.

If you invested that 0.18 BTC on Oct-18 2016 in NLG, that would have bought you G 1,370
If you sold that G 1,370 on Dec 18 2017 it would have brought you 0.009 BTC, at that time worth $ 170,-

Conclusion? If you stayed with BTC in your timeframe, you would have made a 344% profit!
Invested it in NLG? You would have made a 83% Loss!



Sub 900sat now. I wonder at what price level the fanboys start to worry Marketing may be a bit overdue indeed?

So it’s ok to “roeptoeter” false numbers like 150k users, based on the assumption that all wallets ever created represent a unique user. But assuming factual numbers presented by a Gulden website is not?

Oh wait! It has to be positive geroeptoeter only! Got it.

More fake data sentiment, that 10k+ includes all previous versions, people that redownloaded after resetting/losing their phone etc.

No you libtard! Volkswagon sold over 150 million cars in The Netherlands over time. You really think there are still 150 million of them driving around here?

Relax, not accusing you of anything, I just referred to the accusations I get all the time for trying to tell the truth that gets blocked in the heavily moderated world of Rijk.

And I agree with you that if more and more people get involved and invest small amounts that would be a good thing. But that's not going to happen with foot golf sponsorships alone.

Over time so many people have left Gulden for the nazi style run community, that it's safe to say most of the wallets ever created are obsolete ones residing on old servers and laptops.



You really think this few peers would be online if 150k users were active?

Just for arguments sake, how much is 10.000 wallets divided by 5.000 users? Mr. Fraction of a brain?

And here I get accused of telling half truths and spreading false info 

There have been 150k wallets created over time, that's something else than 150k users my friend! I alone must have created over 100 different Gulden wallets over time, so it's safe to say in the most positive approach no more than 10k wallets are active and even then most active Gulden users have multiple wallets, so I'd say there are 5.000 active users.

Still not bad, but please stop calculating with this fake-news data!

Yet another perfect example how Rijk keeps ignoring his community. The request for USD pairing can only be done by the actual DEV's, so telling they have to do it themselves is a non-statement. Rijk only cares for two things: Keeping his (and his brothers) paycheck secure and getting total and utter adoration from his fanboys.

Please, can you go to the slack and ask Rijk the address he received and stored the BTC on? Should be a fair question right, to give some transparency on funds received by your community? Maybe then we can all stop speculating on half truths and move on. See you at the trash bin out back 

Fair enough, I'll try to enlighten you then.

The main part off all Gulden in circulation is being held by a small group of people. Most of them are in it for the long term and will probably invest in witnessing. Unfortunately those hodlers are also mainly average joe's with shallow pockets. That means not a lot of actual money is flowing into the system. Whales stay clear of shallow water you know.

Also there are those who "invested" their BTC in the share program. The price of BTC has risen enough for many of them accepting current low Gulden price and sell for BTC to still have a nice fiat profit.

That leaves the miners. The miners are dumping on average 50k Guldens on the market. Perhaps half of that gets bought by investors, the other half goes to day traders that will ride the waves. On average (without many new investors with a long term goal) the market keeps going down.

Solution? Attract new investors! Means? Marketing and promotion.

I respect you as well sir, even if you mistake informing for whining.

First of all, the crowdfund already took place! That 650BTC in shares sold was not only meant to pay for the salaries of Rijk and his family! It was put up by the very community he is still massively ignoring!

Secondly, there have been numerous good marketing ideas, all shot down by mr. fuhrer. No need to retype all those ideas, just browse back in the dozen or so "official ANN threads" on this site.

And I also give you this to think about. What is the main goal with Gulden Rijk always talks about? Right, adoption by the masses! He want's to be able to pay at Albert Heijn one day with Gulden. So what is he actually doing to achieve this? He creates a system where all holders are locking up their coins in witnessing! Gulden is no longer a means of payment, but an investment token for the happy few. Albert Heijn is never going to accept it this way.

So I'll keep going on and awake the zombies that have taken too much of Rijks coolaid.