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161  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 12 SC 60's BNIB Ready to Ship Now Offers on: December 12, 2013, 05:52:16 AM
I would also take one at BTC1.5. The 60s never did hash at their full rate without some creative tweaking, anyway. My 50Ghash from BFL actually runs faster than my 60Ghash, and uses less power.

Thanks for all the offers - I'm still working on sorting out getting my miners back from BFL and will have to wait a couple of more days prior to confirming the status. I owe them some more money for the returned shipment for sure. Once I know more I will up date the OP.

Thought they were 'ready to ship now' ...

Yeah, so did I - They are back at BFL after refusing the shipments during the charegeback process. They are working with me to sort it out but it is slow going. No shock there - I'll update OP
162  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Need a PayPal refund for your BFL purchase? on: December 12, 2013, 05:47:17 AM

Yeah sorry to hear about your problems...if it is any consolation I did the "forced upgrade" to a monarchs route ...have 900gh supposedly coming in Jan/Feb (yeah right) so at 8k in BFL it likely would not have mattered anyway imho.....I'm also gonna be in your boat soon we can bail $$$ into the Sea together......I doubt that BFL will get anything out to me before middle of March at the earliest (I was an early monarch order) and when the stuff does arrive (the 300gh a bit later I imagine) it will likely be 400gh in reality instead of 600gh monarch and too little too late..with the usual BFL 'it is not our fault and your risk" arguments....

so don't feel too bad a brick "now" or a brick "later" I'll meet you in the same rowboat soon enough imho

not sure if this helps but from past BFL issues it is likely correct

Searing


I'm going to get delivery asap and start mining and ebay them. Seems people are out of their mind for gear on ebay so who am I to argue. I guess it will be me who is going to have to deal with the whole chargeback issue perhaps..... my how the worm turns.
163  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: YES, you can get a REFUND from BFL on: December 11, 2013, 11:25:56 PM
Here is a little cautionary tale about chargebacks and the lesson learned:

I ordered a total of 12 Single SC 60's in March of 2013.

Waited, waited.... watched and waited. Due to the opacity of the approach of reporting shipments by paid date, my general discontent and getting caught up in the charegback wave of August / September I actively pursued charging back my orders which were made via PayPal and funded by American Express. I think PayPal ran out of BFL holdback funds so that was a dead end and they suggested I try Amex one more time. I did and to my great surprise they accepted the dispute even though it had passed the 90 day cut off. I thought they were doing a great favour and that I would be sure to "win" because of all the issues...... What they failed to mention is that they had no recourse to the merchant after 90 days and that their role would only be that of an intermediary in the process of communicating with BFL. The disputed charges were accepted on September 25th.

BFL shipped my first order of one miner on October 11th. Ten more miners were shipped Fedex overnight 6 days later and the last one was shipped not long after. In consultation with Amex I refused the orders. In the end, all 12 miners were refused and returned to BFL. On December 6th it was finally confirmed that nothing was going to come of the charegeback (of course) and that I was fully and completed F'd. There were many situations where Amex could have cleared the air - at one point they even stated that the chargeback was awarded in my favour because the merchant (BFL) had not contacted them in the 8 weeks since the dispute was accepted. I was happy at that point that it was finally concluded. Three days later I learned in a follow up call that, no, the matter was not concluded at all.

In the end I am now back to BFL with my (ass)hat in hand trying to sort out what I owe them for additional shipping and just move on. Clearly this whole escapade has cost me dearly. The tale is not one that will apply anymore to most people as BFL long ago stopped accepting PayPal and credit cards etc. Nevertheless, I thought it might be good information to anyone else who is pending a decision from their credit card company regarding a chargeback. The 90 day cutoff is not some arbitrary limit - the company has no way to collect your money. Move on - take your gear and start mining. Tomorrow will be a better day.

In conclusion, I maintain that I made the best decision I could at the time with the information I had. If Amex had been more transparent in its process then the outcome would have been very different. Whatever the case I am making good with BFL and working to secure my miners as fast as I can. Thanks BFL_Emily for your support in this process......

No rear view mirrors in Bitcoin land..... petal to the metal. ┗(°0°)┛
164  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Need a PayPal refund for your BFL purchase? on: December 11, 2013, 11:23:38 PM
Paypal also declined to accept my refund claim and suggested I called Amex - the card I used to fund the paypal purchase. Fortunately I was just within a 6 month window and despite declining on a previous call Amex decided to accept the disputed charge. That was on September 23rd. BFL had 8 Weeks to respond to Amex and they did not so the chargeback was awarded to me today. Total was for 12 Single SC's 60's so not a trivial amount of money. During the process BFL shipped all 12 singles and I had to refuse them. That was tough as the chargeback was not completed. In the end it worked out and I am now at "breakeven".

Good riddance BFL. I hope you appear as a footnote in Bitcoin history as the ASIC company that sucked the most and in the end, proved to be completely irrelevant. As for the individuals involved, you are already irrelevant to my reality - not that you give a shit.

Hmmmmm - things are not always what they seem:

no refund and I am now back to BFL with my (ass)hat in hand

Here is a little cautionary tale about chargebacks and the lesson learned:

I ordered a total of 12 Single SC 60's in March of 2013.

Waited, waited.... watched and waited. Due to the opacity of the approach of reporting shipments by paid date, my general discontent and getting caught up in the charegback wave of August / September I actively pursued charging back my orders which were made via PayPal and funded by American Express. I think PayPal ran out of BFL holdback funds so that was a dead end and they suggested I try Amex one more time. I did and to my great surprise they accepted the dispute even though it had passed the 90 day cut off. I thought they were doing a great favour and that I would be sure to "win" because of all the issues...... What they failed to mention is that they had no recourse to the merchant after 90 days and that their role would only be that of an intermediary in the process of communicating with BFL. The disputed charges were accepted on September 25th.

BFL shipped my first order of one miner on October 11th. Ten more miners were shipped Fedex overnight 6 days later and the last one was shipped not long after. In consultation with Amex I refused the orders. In the end, all 12 miners were refused and returned to BFL. On December 6th it was finally confirmed that nothing was going to come of the charegeback (of course) and that I was fully and completed F'd. There were many situations where Amex could have cleared the air - at one point they even stated that the chargeback was awarded in my favour because the merchant (BFL) had not contacted them in the 8 weeks since the dispute was accepted. I was happy at that point that it was finally concluded. Three days later I learned in a follow up call that, no, the matter was not concluded at all.

In the end I am now back to BFL with my (ass)hat in hand trying to sort out what I owe them for additional shipping and just move on. Clearly this whole escapade has cost me dearly. The tale is not one that will apply anymore to most people as BFL long ago stopped accepting PayPal and credit cards etc. Nevertheless, I thought it might be good information to anyone else who is pending a decision from their credit card company regarding a chargeback. The 90 day cutoff is not some arbitrary limit - the company has no way to collect your money. Move on - take your gear and start mining. Tomorrow will be a better day.

In conclusion, I maintain that I made the best decision I could at the time with the information I had. If Amex had been more transparent in its process then the outcome would have been very different. Whatever the case I am making good with BFL and working to secure my miners as fast as I can. Thanks BFL_Emily for your support in this process......

No rear view mirrors in Bitcoin land..... petal to the metal. ┗(°0°)┛
165  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 12 SC 60's BNIB Ready to Ship Now Offers on: December 11, 2013, 11:08:21 PM
I would also take one at BTC1.5. The 60s never did hash at their full rate without some creative tweaking, anyway. My 50Ghash from BFL actually runs faster than my 60Ghash, and uses less power.

Thanks for all the offers - I'm still working on sorting out getting my miners back from BFL and will have to wait a couple of more days prior to confirming the status. I owe them some more money for the returned shipment for sure. Once I know more I will up date the OP.
166  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 12 SC 60's BNIB Ready to Ship Now Offers on: December 10, 2013, 12:43:57 AM
Care to split them up, or only looking to sell all 12? What did you pay, total, for all 12 (minus shipping costs obviously).

What I paid is irrelevant - but they were ordered in March before the price increase @ $1299 ea - yes I would split them up.

Any offer would need to be at current market - which is not necessarily what payback is if you look at EBAY. IDK why buy they seem to be going for around $2,800 ea there.

I will be making a listing on ebay within 24 hours if I do not get a better result than the responses I have received todate

I see the option is to order a 50 GH/s from BFL today for $2499 plus shipping......
167  Economy / Computer hardware / [WTS] 12 SC 60's BNIB shipping from BFL - its a little complicated on: December 09, 2013, 06:21:25 PM
Short story, ordered bfl gear in March 2013  Grin, tired of waiting after nearly 6 months Angry, filed a chargeback with AMEX  Tongue, BFL shipped  Undecided, I refused shipments  Cheesy - fail on chargeback  Cry - 12 SC 60's now sitting at BFL that I own Embarrassed.

I am in the process of clearing outstanding charges for the shipments and perhaps arranging to have them shipped back to me in any case. I have recourse with AMEX on the extra costs for shipping (don't get me started about the chargeback process) so meh.

So, you want some SC's? How about 12? Make me an offer.... act fast because if I manage to sort things out with BFL first and get them shipped here then I win. (well not really but you get the drift).

Note - any arrangement for sale will be paid in BTC via escrow through BFL's order transfer system. You will need to make your own arrangements for shipping with BFL. To transfer an order in the BFL system you will need to provide me with your BFL ID so I can make the transfer.
168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][Multicoin Pool][PPLNS] [Stratum] give-me-coins.com LOW FEE multicoin pool on: December 09, 2013, 06:05:02 AM
Website comes up 404 - nginx/1.4.4

hacked?
169  Economy / Securities / Re: Official Labrat Mining (LRM) Share Trading Thread on: December 07, 2013, 12:25:25 AM
Quote
Highest Bid: 0.05
Lowest Ask: 0.07

BID:
1000@0.01 mmmerlin
100@0.022 7cZ0
500@0.025 mmmerlin
35@0.0275 Bittymitty
25@0.041 mmmerlin
14@0.044 countduckula
5@0.0445 Jeffrey
100@0.05 elitenoob


ASK:
50@0.07 levi
19@0.08 ChrisFor
373@0.089 carnoto
8@0.09 maqifrnswa
283@0.095 woeliewoelie
7597@0.1 Available direct from LRM
24@0.11 KonstantinosM
100@0.135 rustyh17
254@0.159 kaneda2004
335@0.16 pixl8tr
45@0.175 PoUpA
100@0.19 mboehler
4@0.251 garwaybeast
2000@0.275 mmmerlin
500@0.30 contactmike1
101@0.31 VinceSamios
101@0.35 VinceSamios
500@0.35 contactmike1
101@0.39 VinceSamios
500@0.40 contactmike1
500@0.45 contactmike1
1000@0.50 mmmerlin
446@0.75 BKM
1000@0.99 M31
170  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: December 07, 2013, 12:23:11 AM
A treat from Lab_Rat:  A couple of pictures from the (nearly complete) new datacentre...







grnbrg.

PS:  No EXIF for you!

I see a box of fans in the corner and gear on the racks to the left....... moar! moar!
171  Economy / Securities / Re: Official Labrat Mining (LRM) Share Trading Thread on: December 04, 2013, 07:54:24 PM
Quote
Highest Bid: 0.045
Lowest Ask: 0.08

BID:
1000@0.01 mmmerlin
100@0.022 7cZ0
500@0.025 mmmerlin
35@0.0275 Bittymitty
25@0.041 mmmerlin
14@0.044 countduckula
5@0.0445 Jeffrey
10@0.045 NeoEvaX


ASK:
60@0.08 rkim
100@0.09 bittymitty
44@0.091 garwaybeast
283@0.095 woeliewoelie
61@0.10 Phraust
24@0.11 KonstantinosM
100@0.135 rustyh17
254@0.0159 kaneda2004
335@0.16 pixl8tr
45@0.175 PoUpA
100@0.19 mboehler
500@0.20 contactmike1
500@0.25 contactmike1
2000@0.275 mmmerlin
500@0.30 contactmike1
101@0.31 VinceSamios
101@0.35 VinceSamios
101@0.39 VinceSamios
500@0.40 contactmike1
1000@0.50 mmmerlin
1000@0.99 M31
172  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: November 26, 2013, 10:49:31 PM
Not interested by the Neptune LabRat ?

Too many unknowns on time to market - especially since they held the line at the $3 per GH.

Never again will I be left in the position of wishing I had bought BTC instead of hardware. I'll leave the hardware purchasing and sustainability rubric associated with that to LR for now.

173  Economy / Securities / Re: Official Labrat Mining (LRM) Share Trading Thread on: November 26, 2013, 04:07:22 AM
Quote

BID:
1000@0.01 mmmerlin
100@0.022 7cZ0
500@0.025 mmmerlin
35@0.0275 Bittymitty
5@0.03 Jeffrey
100@0.031 BKM


ASK:
25@0.06 ipxtreme
100@0.065 rustyh17
60@0.08 rkim
100@0.09 bittymitty
283@0.095 woeliewoelie
270@0.10 elitenoob
61@0.100 Phraust
44@0.15 garwaybeast
335@0.16 pixl8tr
45@0.175 PoUpA
100@0.19 mboehler
500@0.20 contactmike1
500@0.25 contactmike1
2000@0.275 mmmerlin
500@0.30 contactmike1
500@0.40 contactmike1
1000@0.50 mmmerlin

....Moar!
174  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: November 26, 2013, 04:03:19 AM
I never 100% confirmed with BFL what "place in line" I hold, but when asked at a bitcoin conference where I am in line by one of my bondholder's they stated I'd be first delivery (other than James Gibson I'm sure  Tongue)

I am going to get in contact with Dave at BFL and set up a meeting with them in the next couple weeks.  I'll be flying out there to check on progress and hope for the best.

Today may seem like a big day (hardware mining "officially" begins) but I'll tell you tomorrow is far more important.  Wish us luck.

Not sure if you have a solution for the backplane (MB) for the monarchs but it looks like ASROCK has come up with one http://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?cat=News&ID=1765. Mind you - from what I recall you had a few GPU units running before!



I believe monarchs will be via USB as well if I recall correctly so no need for a backplane, just hang them and get a hub! Cheesy

Edit:

Quote
USB 2.0   -  Monarch cards can be used as an external computer peripheral and chained via USB hub.  In this mode the Bitcoin Mining Hardware can be controlled via an Android host or standard Linux or Windows computer.

https://products.butterflylabs.com/600-gh-bitcoin-mining-card.html

A 4x4 with slits cut in it every so often to slip the unused pcie tabs into and a USB hub are much cheaper and easier to manage than a whole load of MB's with a full comp setup for every 4 "BPUs".  But I can think of better ways to do it that aren't rigged so cheaply... Trust me... I can run every one I receive and then some...

I guess I should have read a little more but I basically make a habit of not going to the BFL website at all  Grin
175  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: November 25, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
I never 100% confirmed with BFL what "place in line" I hold, but when asked at a bitcoin conference where I am in line by one of my bondholder's they stated I'd be first delivery (other than James Gibson I'm sure  Tongue)

I am going to get in contact with Dave at BFL and set up a meeting with them in the next couple weeks.  I'll be flying out there to check on progress and hope for the best.

Today may seem like a big day (hardware mining "officially" begins) but I'll tell you tomorrow is far more important.  Wish us luck.

Not sure if you have a solution for the backplane (MB) for the monarchs but it looks like ASROCK has come up with one http://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?cat=News&ID=1765. Mind you - from what I recall you had a few GPU units running before!

176  Economy / Securities / Re: Official Labrat Mining (LRM) Share Trading Thread on: November 25, 2013, 10:42:10 PM
Quote
BID:
1000@0.01 mmmerlin
100@0.022 7cZ0
500@0.025 mmmerlin
35@0.0275 Bittymitty
5@0.03 Jeffrey


ASK:
25@0.06 ipxtreme
254@0.064 kaneda2004
100@0.065 rustyh17
60@0.08 rkim
100@0.09 bittymitty
283@0.095 woeliewoelie
270@0.10 elitenoob
61@0.100 Phraust
44@0.15 garwaybeast
335@0.16 pixl8tr
45@0.175 PoUpA
100@0.19 mboehler
500@0.20 contactmike1
500@0.25 contactmike1
2000@0.275 mmmerlin
500@0.30 contactmike1
500@0.40 contactmike1
1000@0.50 mmmerlin

It is better thx
177  Economy / Securities / Re: Official Labrat Mining (LRM) Share Trading Thread on: November 25, 2013, 06:09:47 AM
Quote
BID:
250@0.031 BKM
5@0.03 Jeffrey
35@0.0275 Bittymitty
500@0.025 mmmerlin
100@0.022 7cZ0
140@0.013 fishnet
1000@0.01 mmmerlin

ASK:
25@0.06 ipxtreme
254@0.064 kaneda2004
100@0.065 rustyh17
60@0.08 rkim
100@0.09 bittymitty
283@0.095 woeliewoelie
270@0.10 elitenoob
61@0.100 Phraust
335@0.16 pixl8tr
45@0.175 PoUpA
100@0.19 mboehler
500@0.20 contactmike1
500@0.25 contactmike1
2000@0.275 mmmerlin
500@0.30 contactmike1
500@0.40 contactmike1
1000@0.50 mmmerlin

.... Moar!
178  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: November 25, 2013, 12:09:24 AM
I have something very big in the works that would mean LRM is very sustainable.  I can assure you of that.

Go, go... go Zach! [insert cheer leading chant and repeat]
179  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: November 23, 2013, 07:37:43 AM
Really does seem as though $1mill should have bought a lot more hash power than 25 Th.

At $30 per GH, $1,000,0000 would be producing approximately BTC27 per day today.

But we are not entirely certain what we paid per GH and what is being delivered when. Not that we won't in the future when we get our divs.....

Just sayin, "Communication is a process; not an event."
180  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: November 23, 2013, 07:30:43 AM
D - Day folks , prepare your self.  Cheesy

I've even gone as far as to put my pants on for this one Ashitank Smiley

Wow - this IS serious....

and, we are over $840 USD on Bitstamp

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