The problem with bots and such small minimum bets is that it's a LOT easier to do 1 million rolls on a dice site than it is in any casino game in a real casino.

This makes no sense.

If he spends 1000 on x coin he will have 1000 worth of x coin today. If you buy 1000 worth of cloud mining you are hoping that someone will give you 1000 worth of coin over time.

No, because the juice against picking the favorite team means you will lose more money than you will win. That's the whole point of sports betting, not every team has a 50% chance of winning, so they mess with the odds/spread to make it closer to even. If you bet on every favorite you will win a lot of bets, but when you lose you will lose more money than you won in the previous bets.

no worries guys, just establishing the promised $.02 floor, they just had the decimal in the wrong place the entire time.

I really don't get how people keep falling for these things.

It's obvious that all these "companies" are horse shit and run by scumbags. Even if they actually do the things that they say (the one's that are possible anyway) only the operator will make money. The fact that they can't even do simple shit like give people back their own worthless coins shows that they are true assholes.

he already made money by dumping the coins as soon as they got them, that he can't even be bothered to spend the pennies it would cost to hold up his end of the bargain is amazing.

At least the people going into the casino know what's going on. It's not a secret that every time you bet $100 on a roulette wheel you should expect to lose $5.26. There is a big difference between that and buying hashpower that doesn't exist.

The point is you can KNOW the probability with counting cards, which is nothing at all like technical analysis of charts.

there are so many 10s in a shoe of blackjack. If you know how many are left out of how many cards are left in the shoe, you can calculate your probability of winning the next hand or the next few hands.

With TA, you don't KNOW anything. You are guessing what other people will do. Can you really not see the difference between knowing the probability of winning a blackjack hand and the probability of an asset's price changing? Counting cards deals in facts, these cards are left in the shoe, this many cards are left in the shoe, this is my probability of winning. TA is based on bullshit. An asset acting 1 way in the past has absolutely zero bearing on it acting that way in the future.

That doesn't change the other facts, if for some reason someone was able to read the charts because there was something making it work, there's no way they would be sharing it with other people and making it harder for them to make money (unless of course they are telling you bullshit to get you to buy from them when they want you to and sell to them when they want you to).

People that make money trading make money trading, they don't draw lines on charts and sell them to other people.

Limiting access is one of the tricks conmen use to lure in people, especially in ponzi schemes. There are lots of reasons for this. If they take in too many customers/money at first, their liabilities will grow too fast, and it will collapse quickly because they won't be able to pay anyone off, and they will end up with less money overall.

Also, if we assume they are lying, they are telling a story. and they need to have some sort of logic to their story or else it would collapse. Their story is that they have a bunch of miners and hackers are causing issues for the website. If they were accepting money people would rightly think that it's a scam, so it makes sense to pause deposits, at least for now. Who knows if this is the end completely or if they think they can wring more money out of this, but in both cases it makes sense to stop accepting money, if only to give the appearance of legitimacy for a few more days. If they are going to keep going, this makes them look legitimate, if they are done, every second you buy that they are legitimate is another second for them to hide or spend your money, cover their tracks, and make it harder for them to get caught/face consequences.

It's nice that you're loyal, but that banner is a big red flag to many people in the community.

Still being involved heavily in that mess (the idiots/scumbags that used to work with Josh that are now running the various "teams" or "foundations" are no better in my book) means that you are either too stupid to understand what happened there or understand and are enough of an asshole to still be involved trying to rip others off. I'm not going to waste my time figuring out which one because I wouldn't do business with either, and there are many that feel the same way.

feel free to accept xpy, but that giant banner reads "stay away" to many, and for good reason.

When something looks too good to be true it probably is.

What legitimate reason could the be for him to need $400 and be able to pay back $450 in an hour?

With the anonymous nature here/with bitcoin it really isn't too hard to build up a reputation then run when you get enough money.

This isn't the first time I've seen a "trusted" "reputable" person end up being a total scammer, and it really wouldn't be hard to do. I borrow 1 btc on this account. Then log into a second account and borrow 1.1 btc. Pay off the first guy, now with my rep for paying off my first load I borrow more to pay off the second guy. Now I have 2 accounts with a positive reputation and didn't risk/lose anything. Keep going until I can't get the next loan or I feel like I have enough money.

This guy did it by making trades instead of borrowing money but it's the same thing. Buy 1 btc from mark 1, sell 1 btc to mark 2, just move the money and coin from mark to mark (keeping a cut for himself of course) until you make a deal you can't follow through on or get a big enough score to move on.

You know wrong, listen to people that are trying to make you more informed before you lose money to another scam.

Counting cards in blackjack means keeping track of what cards have been exposed. If you know what cards have been dealt, you know what cards are left in the shoe, and you know when to bet more money because you are more likely to win, and when to bet less money or walk away because you are less likely to win.

If other traders would act based on TA, we would be rich because all the arrows and charts that were posted telling us how the price of BTC would be 1 million per coin now.

Counting cards is something that make sense for an expert to teach someone else because your actions at the BJ table in God know's where have absolutely zero impact on me at my blackjack table.

Teaching people how to read charts doesn't make sense, because if I know that a triple bottom followed by a cup and wedge means the price is going to go up, and I tell you that, next time there is a triple bottom followed by a cup and wedge you will be trying to buy my cheap whatever and I won't make as much money.

If someone knew how to read charts to get rich, they would be reading charts and getting rich, not selling you how to do it and cut into their profits.

They've been mining the whole time? So will there be extra payouts coming to you guys in the next few days or do they just get to keep what they mined with the miners you paid for over the last week as a reward for getting hacked?

They just make shit up so that they sound smart. people with functioning brains realize it makes no sense and stay away (this is good for the scammer because they don't want smart people asking questions/holding them accountable). Idiots are to embarrassed to question these things because they don't want it to look like they don't understand, and they are perfect marks for the scammers. That's why nigerian scammers put in the typos. It's not because they're idiots, they're narrowing down their target pool.

this is a bad attitude to have. the ethics are one thing, but the logic is a bigger problem.

You paid them to mine coins for you. It's possible to track that mining is actual happening and predict future returns, if they aren't mining where is the mining coming from? That should be a very serious concern to you, because if it's a ponzi it's going to run out eventually, if it's something else you should know what exactly they are doing so you can accurately assess the risks and figure how much money you are going to be getting back.

of course it's a scam. Every time someone deposits you need 2 more people to deposit after them, then 2 more for each of those. How long will it take before you will need all the bitcoins that ever will exist to pay everyone off?

Don't look to another scam to get you out of this one.

That's good that you claim to not have an association. Why did you even think to associate with him that late in the game? why bother accepting paycoin today? even if you are going to accept many different coins, I would suggest removing that paycoin graphic from the top of the page because it would have made me close the site immediately if I didn't see the link to here and still makes me question how smart/legitimate the people running the site are.

That thread is funny.

This can't be fixed, the whole thing is based upon mountains of bullshit.

What does "maintaining zencloud" even mean. At least if they did that during the hashlet days it would have meant running the miners (lol) at sending out the payouts. Now in the paycoin era it should just mean putting all the coins in their own prime controller, and paying out paycoins to the customers at the agreed upon rates. How are there expenses to that? how could that be difficult to impossible to do?

Would paying out the agreed stake rate to immortal owners really fuck things up any worse? It's sort of pointless to argue about because they are arguing over how many worthless xpy to give out, but wouldn't it be easier to come up with some sort of appeasement strategy instead of unilaterally telling everyone to fuck off? These guys aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer if they bought primes, so I'm sure the successful business people could find a way to make them happy. And if they can't? Just give them as many of the worthless paycoins as they want, who really cares?

TA and counting in blackjack are not even close to the same ballpark.

believing the price is going to go a certain way doesn't mean it's going to happen. TA is BELIEVING that other people will do a certain thing. counting cards is KNOWING what cards have come out, and therefore KNOWING what cards are left in the shoe which can change the optimal strategy/bet size.

If someone had a TA that worked they wouldn't share it with you because you doing the same thing as them would make it harder for them to make money because you both would be trying to buy and sell at the same time cutting into each other's profits. You knowing what cards are left in the shoe has absolutely no impact on the shoe at another table/casino.

Because the magic machines will generate more bitcoins over time than you can buy today. That's why all the smart people sell/rent their miners instead of plugging them in and collecting all the coins themselves.