See, no matter what you say, that guy always have excuses, nobody is going to random the client seed every bet especially when you are doing autobet,that becomes impossible.
You didn't read my last answer. There is a randomize client seed function on the site that you can use with auto-bet. I do have the answers when the questions are so dumb. You guys keep changing the server seed every bet just because you guys want to manipulate the results. Or please give me one reason for doing that lol.
No, we don't do that. The reason is that is how all sites did probably fair back in 2013. Some newer sites have since used an alternative system with static server seed and nonce. It could be argued that the system is slightly easier for players to use but both systems protect the player and allow them to prove fairness. The site gives you the server seed hash before you click roll. The server doesn't know whether you changed the seed or not, it doesn't know how much you bet or at what bet odds and it doesn't know if you bet low or high. It still has to honour the bet and you can prove it if we didn't Lots of dice casino especially this site try to make it harder for people to play fairly by designing the system to their benifits. Most of the people don't know and won't change client seeds which makes the casino super easy to cheat, even if you want to change it, you have to change it every bet because the server seeds do. Always trying to take advantage of players. Garbage casino industry!!!
Lots of people signup newbie accounts on this forum and make false and unsubstantiated allegations based on nothing more than their opinions. I'm still waiting for anything more than that from you. How about some proof of this manipulation or is all this just based on what you *think* happens? |
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Why is this topic "alive" in micro earnings category...?
Because people keep bumping it like you just did. |
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And do I get to pick my Lamborghini's colour?  Probably yes. Freebitco.in haven't bought Lambo so far in case if winner will want to take money instead of car. So, I think that they will let to choose color of car. Any colour you like (if Lambo do it).
edit: I see Auto Withdraw's fee is limited to 3k sats. That's good but I don't know how long you can sustain it especially when btc hits $50k.
It was only during the last bull run when fees were extremely high that we introduced any fee at all on auto-withdraw. We will only increase that fee if costs increase to force us to.
This way is also not fair enough,
I think you are confusing your likes and dislikes with fairness. Nope, I really do like it but somehow it does not make any sense to me when you do in that way. It will be just the same as the first time you set it in the end of month. 23th and 30th will be just one week difference so it does not make any huge difference unless there is some pump and dump like what I said before What has that got to do with fairness? I just explained and gave examples. Bitcoin can and has moved by large amounts in less than a week many times. There is an obvious advantage to closing betting when the market still has time to change the outcome rather than letting people pile in with huge bets at 23:59 on the day it is decided. No, it isn't the same. So you are saying that if we bet the first time, that odds from my first bet will be locked? So any changes later on near end of the time limit will never affect on my bet?
NO!!!!! That is clearly not what I said. I said that you get a bigger time weight multiplier and that is not pointless. I will win the current odds 2.67x?
NO!!!!!! You will win your share of all the bets placed on other outcomes at the end with the time weight multiplier at the time you bet applied. |
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Yes it can, because the server seed changes every bet,
Did you really just say that the server knows the client seed because the server seed changes every bet? so unless you do the same to the client seed which is too tedious, the client seed will remain the same, it's so easy to tell the client seed from last bet.
It is too tedious to click randomize client seed? And i believe the reason server seed changes every bet is, this site is trying to selectively choose server seed based on last client seed to make the number locate in the range they want.
You believe wrong again. There are two different implementations of provably fair both with pros and cons and opinion is divided as to which is best. The usage of those two systems is as divided between dice sites as opinions. Whether the nonce is applied to a static server seed or not doesn't change the fact that it is provably fair and that means if it was manipulated you would be able to prove it. How about you try doing that rather than just shouting your mouth off calling scam with no evidence? |
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I'm pleased to announce that you can now make instant and slow withdrawals to bech32 addresses.
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I'm pleased to announce that you can now make instant and slow withdrawals to bech32 addresses.
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Ok since you mentioned your provably fair system so many times, i actually did a little research and found freebitco.in changes their server seed every bet which means unless you change your client seed every bet which is tedious, the system already knows your seed and can selectively choose the next server seed to make the number locate in any range they want. Telling me about fair lmao, why do you keep changing your server seed?
No. The server doesn't know your seed as it is generated by your device. |
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All eligible claims paid up to this post. |
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The truth of dice is house can win with no house edge even negative house edge. Why? They don't beat you by house edge, they win their money from their algorithm,
That is provably untrue. they will give you high if they want if you keep betting on low and vice versa, they can give you 20 or 50 high in a row in a 50% chance game and still tell you it's fair, there's just no rules. Even if i bet sometimes high sometimes low, i seldom win and neither do almost all the people i talked to, does the algorithm beat you or they can manipulate the bet? What they are doing behind the screen? You don't know and it's very questionable and not transparent at all.
It is completely transparent. That is the difference between a crypto casino and a fiat one. The fiat casino is supposed to use a government certified RNG but there is no way for the customer to prove whether or not they actually did. A provably fair crypto site gives you the tools not only to prove whether the roll was fair or not but to also chose to use a different client seed of your choice if you don't trust the RAND function on your device. They will tell you you can verify the bet, but how much credibility does the sites that verify the bets have?
You don't need to trust the site that verifies the roll because all you need is a SHA256 hash generator and a hex to decimal converter to do it yourself. So even if their algorithm doesn't beat you, their manipulation will. That's my conclusion for all the dice casino and maybe all the betting against the house.
And to those people who post positive reply to this site, you are either brainwashed by this site or just too cheap to have principles.
My conclusion is that you haven't got the first clue what you are talking about. |
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This way is also not fair enough,
I think you are confusing your likes and dislikes with fairness. it will be pointless to have people bet on the start as well. For example if they bet on lower odds which is possible the highest chance to win but it close on 23th June.
It isn't pointless to bet at the start and get a near 100x time weighting. Dont you think it is best to wait them until last minutes to bet? The chance wont be drastically change,
The whole point is you have to make that trade-off between getting a high time weight multiplier and having more information to base your bet on. It is simply a choice. unless there is suddenly a very huge pump and dump? To have 23th or 30th will just be the same, in a week range does not have much different because the gap that you make is far too safe which people will consider to bet on the safest point here.
Bitcoin moved from $6200 to $8200 between the 10th and 14th of May. Sharp movements in Bitcoin price within a week are common and a pullback to below $6000 was still very possible between betting closing on the 23rd and end date of the 31st. Why dont you make more options to bet instead of the range spare. May be a prediction like in couple of hours or minutes, it is faster and have a better odds
I did make more options. Have a loke a the options on the June bet. When we put the May bet up Bitcoin price had been quite stable since December last year. I didn't see the bull run coming so soon so we were a little caught out and didn't have sufficient options on the May bet. |
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Guess that happened before you started working for Freebitcoin
And again you are wrong. Still trying to concoct a lame conspiracy theory rather than understanding the forum rules. |
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Is 4% yearly interest still being paid? I don't see anything on their website about that.
If they paid still it cant be a good profit 4% yearly is too poor interest comparing with others it is better investing on good altcoin which may give a lot of profit. Compared to what others? An altcoin may give profit but it may make a huge loss compared to Bitcoin. You can't make a comparison between a fixed interest investment and taking a currency risk. |
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No, it's not the stupidest thing to have the impression that Bitcointalk is partly owned by Freebitcoin.
It really is. When Bitcointalk moderators quickly delete posts of mine, and in these posts I am not insulting anybody and only writing about existing video material about Freebitcoin, it's reasonable to start having that impression.
When you keep breaking a simple set of rules because you couldn't be bothered to read and stick to them, your posts will get deleted. Choosing not to work out what the simple things you are doing wrong and instead coming up with a dumb conspiracy theory really is very stupid. Did the moderators ever deleted one of your posts?
Yes. 18 of them https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TheQuin |
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Well, 99% of websites work on that way or I'm wrong? When you click you get a fixed odds (I'm talking about huge bookmakers like William hill, bet365 etc), so I think is a normal expectation.
Bookmakers do indeed work that way. This is player versus player betting, not bookmaking. As I just said: Bet on the latest events against other FreeBitco.in users and win a share of the prize pool if you pick the winner!
Early bets have a higher weight and will get a bigger share of the prize pool!
I think that made it clear how it worked. There is no mention of fixed odds, it just tells you that the prize pool will be shared at the end which obviously means that your share will also depend on what bets are placed after yours. We told you how it worked. |
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I thought of that which is why I set betting to close on the 23rd of the Month.
This helps but doesn't resolve the situation, It certainly helps those who bet on $5,501 - $6,000 at 86.50x at the end if Bitcoin dips below $6000 briefly at the end of the month. A lot of people have underestimated the risk of that happening and piled in thinking above $6000 is a sure thing. the same is with the Uefa champions league where I bet with good odds.
If the odds now will go down and my bet has no odds locked, I will lose only money.
When I put a bet is expected that my bet is locked with the odds at the moment of my click.
I don't know where you got that expectation from. Bet on the latest events against other FreeBitco.in users and win a share of the prize pool if you pick the winner!
Early bets have a higher weight and will get a bigger share of the prize pool!
I think that made it clear how it worked. There is no mention of fixed odds, it just tells you that the prize pool will be shared at the end which obviously means that your share will also depend on what bets are placed after yours. There is no point at all to do a bet with a high multiplier if in the end the odds when the high multiplier was active changes when we are close to the deadline... and this is very misleading to me.
Looking at the payouts on the events so far the early bettors have done very well compared to the late bets. (Yeah I know now I probably already lost money on next champions league final since my odds are not locked and everyone is betting on last 2 teams and odds are quickly going down/changing)
If you only bet on the winner then you can't lose. If you hedged your bets because you saw the current odds meant you couldn't lose if you backed both Liverpool and Spurs then you should have stopped and thought about it for a moment. There is no such thing a guaranteed win. |
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but we have 30days, everything can happen so is safer to wait the last day and set a little higher "safe bet" on the best range, that range on the last day will have probably a range near 1.1
So base on what you said If I bet now 1 BTC on bitcoin with odds 3.71 as 1st picture and I will win my bet is not locked with that odds but if I will win I will get something around 1.2?
I thought of that which is why I set betting to close on the 23rd of the Month. |
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i bet yesterday and you can always bet on team out of competition i m stupid
I couldn't have put it better myself. If someone places a bet on an outcome that is no longer possible they have not been scammed they just made a mistake and should take responsibility for their own actions.
I think you won't get any help here because I have the impression that Bitcointalk is partly owned by Freebitcoin.
That really is the stupidest thing you have said yet (and that's a high bar). Maybe do some research about the forum and its history before making a fool of yourself. |
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The line on Bran closed @ 1.2 on Bovada as the final was leaked. Likely a lot of volume on FreeBitco.in betting on the leaked result and thus the odds went down.
There was a lot of last-minute volume likely caused by the leak. The odds will change when a lot of bets pile onto one outcome close to the end which is why the estimated payout is just an estimate. We also got a lot of volume on the Bitcoin price at the end of May being above $6000. Which although it looks like a sure thing Bitcoin is capable of moving more $2000 in 7 days. |
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Yes, because the result looks strange. Like for an 50/50 event. This type of betting seems completely useless.
You're not happy. We all heard you the first time. |
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