Everything past is definite, everything future is probabilistic.
No, there is no difference between the past and the future. Causality is not probabilistic, neither in the past nor in the future. Einstein: "I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wants,[Der Mensch kann wohl tun, was er will, aber er kann nicht wollen, was er will]' accompany me in all situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my temper." Schopenhauer's clearer, actual words were: "You can do what you will, but in any given moment of your life you can will only one definite thing and absolutely nothing other than that one thing." [Du kannst tun was du willst: aber du kannst in jedem gegebenen Augenblick deines Lebens nur ein Bestimmtes wollen und schlechterdings nichts anderes als dieses eine.] I dunno why you brought causality into it. I'm 100% with nagarjan on that one, its his most fundamental thought... Neither from itself nor from another, Nor from both, Nor without a cause, Does anything whatever, anywhere arise. If my words misled you (highly probable! i get excited and just spraff sometimes) into thinking that, then I apologise that wasn't my intention. My original hypothesis still stands the future is probable outcomes, the past is memory of what happened. I think that makes the different (in fact I believe they are opposites hence the term anti-future). You can make them semi-equivalent by suggesting that what happened becomes probabilistic based on the observer. (You said X, no I said Y. both remembering different) but I have since discarded this, as it felt the 'future/anti-future' concept sat better with everything else. Yin yang etc. Maybe anti-future is just another way of viewing observation, it cancels out future (possibility) leaving us with a concrete instant in 'time'. (I kept calling it 'T' but I guess planck time would be better) 1 unit later fresh observation, fresh new reality! Probably not much different from the last one, but possibly is  The reason we find it so hard to see is because its all happening so fast, and our observational capacity is just so woefully underpowered on the quantum scale. We can see a tiny fraction of electromagnetic radiation, we careen through ~10^42 outcomes in the blink of an eye. Its bound to look complicated to us |
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Bitcoin was carefully designed for this outcome by some very astute strategists. Appears to be the work of a black budget think tank.
Note my prior post I provided a link to Catherine Austin Fitts audio interview wherein she describes the $4 trillion black budget of the USA. It is incredulous but true. Secretary of Defense Rumsfield confirmed $2.3 trillion of it the day before 9/11 and then all the records were destroyed by the missleairplane that hit the Pentagon the next day. Armstrong has also written about this and has inside knowledge. Just last week, a smoking gun book was published by Jim Rickards (former covert agent) who was in the room with the government and also corroborated by Max Keiser's first hand conversions with Cantor Fitzgerald admitting that government was aware of the short options on two airlines before 9/11.
All I've heard is naive theory of a lone man doing this, covering all his tracks like a covert agent yet not being one. A brilliant lone cryptography researcher whom no one ever heard of, never published anything before, who managed to obfuscate his activity from all his family and friends.
And "he" (Satoshi Inc) predicted all the ill effects and was promoting them, e.g. he expected ASICs and corporations to take control of mining.
Very interesting statements. If the elite is behind bitcoin, don't you think that the chances of succes folds hundreds of times? absolutely yes. if you are gonna be a slave, might as well throw in some stockholm syndrome. |
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I not only believe there is only one possible future, but also that the whole existence has been "written" before being played. But from the human mind perspective that is shut-down in the space-time illusion, probabilities is the only way to make assessments, preparations, investments in relation with the future.
there is no evidence for that argument, and there is some pretty interesting evidence against that argument in the realm of quantum physics. - anything is possible. did you know that in the highest study of philosophy, even the validity mathematics is being debated. Maha, i say this. There are infinitely possible futures, which are all the realisation of the outcome of the probabilistic nature of everything around us. When time 'T' happens the wave function of probable outcomes collapses into that instant's reality. The macro scale resolves, based on the quantum scale. All our individual consciousness appear to exist in that instant 'T' - the present. The future exists insomuch as it is the set of probable outcomes, the past (lets call it anti future) only exists as a collective memory (echo?) of actual outcomes, observed by 'T' collapsing the wave function(s). Consciousness is observation, our perception of time is based on the repeated collapse of probable outcomes. Everything past is definite, everything future is probabilistic. So ass chestnut says anything is possible. (my caveat being within the scope of what can possibly be probable e.g. 'time going backwards' isn't possible because time doesn't have a direction, it doesn't exist, it is just a 'memory') practically speaking. HODL  |
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Propaganda. Have you followed what Larry Summers said? They want digital currency so they can easily confiscate. The establishment is supporting Bitcoin because they can more easily track where all the money is.
I have not, but will look for it when I have time. I think the overall reaction of the government towards cryptos is going to turn out to be very complex. And fascinating. And one thing to keep in mind, is that there will be no unified reaction, because "the government" is run by lots of people with conflicting agendas. With campaigns funded by more people with different agendas. And varying degrees of technical sophistication. They are trial ballooning different ways to bring the world onto a digital ledger so they can confiscate by pressing a button. Off chain on Bitcoin will be the mechanism to achieve this control.
They have nothing to fear from Bitcoin, because one pool already controls 50% of the mining. They could easily blacklist coins tomorrow if they needed to.
Now they just to manage their baby well to keep you all supporting their desired outcome of slavery.
Proof is in the facts. Bitcoin is not decentralized. You all are controlled by propaganda. The mining is already controllable by the government.
The key now is to manage it so you all don't wake up and move to an anonymous coin. To keep you all locked in by your greed and the thought the largest market size is best.
I have contemplated what sort of technical battle would ensue if the government decided to take explicit control of the blockchain. For the sake of argument, suppose the government announced that all miners had to be "licensed" or "approved" or some such thing. How could the crypto community fight this? I suppose the community could fork the blockchain to make a branch run only by miners that were not government sponsored. Perhaps, there could be some underground network of anarcho-miners who are required to pledge their allegiance to the Ghost of Satoshi to become part of the network. There would ALWAYS be people willing to risk their lives to run this network. So I don't think the government could kill the network. What they could do, is prosecute people who are caught using the "unapproved" bitcoin blockchain. They'd probably have to crack down pretty hard. And whether they would be successful, I dunno. Another question: what if two (or more) governments battle for control of the blockchain, so no one gets 51%? Does that mean Satoshi wins? The U.S. government moves very slowly. If Bitcoin succeeds, the time in which that will happen will be too short for the government to fully recognize the threat and issue an effective policy to oppose it before it (Bitcoin) becomes deeply entrenched in the economy and its benefits are widely perceived. At the point, the political opposition to such a move would be too great. The govt isn't reacting. The govt (by proxy) invented bitcoin. |
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irl indecent proposal in 3... 2...
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We have seen the ups and downs and have realized it all works out in the end. This is the great delusion that markets bestow upon people, that a trend is invulnerable and "it all works out in the end" almost sounds like religious faith. I know that nothing I can say could possibly make you think otherwise, but still, please consider how you would react if Bitcoin slid 80% or 90% from here during the next 6 months. Even if the probability is small, are you ready for it? Because this has happened before, and it happened in this very asset (even if you tell me that times are "different" now – well, to compensate, the price is higher to begin with!). I remember that time well. At the time, there was a long-term log support trendline, too, that was being drawn by everyone in this forum. It was violently BROKEN:   not from a ta perspective but from a psychology perspective, so many people have seen BTC bounce and rally that i think it is hard for people to truly capitulate. i think thats why the selloff has been slower and more gradual (bit like 2011). so bottom could be in, or it could be still a long way to go. either way the last thing i would do right now is sell, and (traders look away now) the best thing to do would be to be buying. insert standard "it could go to zero, don't risk what you can't afford to lose". I'm holding. (and stacking a little silver too. pretty good prices if you ask me.) |
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sgbett I agree entirely. We have the same philosophy. The masses should be free to enslave themselves. I want a way we can opt-out (and opt-in to the free market) as an alternative option of joining the power trippers who capture the authority.
My frustration should be only when I think discussion has turned from debate of falsifiable statements into reputation battles. I prefer not to entirely opt-out of all discussion.
I agree with you when people use religion to deny reality. Religion can also be a form of mind control, i.e. propaganda. However you might not agree with the following. The Bible also seems to be all about respecting property rights and avoiding idoling collectives. Even Jesus said don't pray in church rather in your closet (Matthew 6:5). It seems the problem is people conflating wisdom and religion. The Bible is about the former in my opinion and speaks against religion, but many or most interpret it other ways, e.g. as a crusade to browbeat and look down on others. And atheists are so frustrated with that, they've closed their mind to the wisdom therein. I have no problem with atheists nor Christians, for as long as they don't stomp on diversity nor be overly judgmental. Jesus said he hung out with the sinners because that is where the most benefit could be attained. There is no perfect. We are all different so the ecosystem can anneal to diverse scenarios which are ongoing simultaneously.
And isn't it neat that we are all different. Always something new to meet and experience.
Its even later, and I'm still not in bed. I like what the bible says about a lot of stuff, its unfortunate that the church has had 2000 years to co-opt its message to their own ends I generalise though. I'm sure that, as ever, it's the few spoiling it for the many. I think you are probably right there are plenty who miss the message of christianity as a result of them being so determined not to be a christian. That's a shame, because its not a terrible springboard to from which to develop a good morale foundation. With a few tweaks here and there to bring it into the 20th century! |
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sgbett, perhaps we may find we agree more than we both realized on our initial exchange. I don't view this as one aristocratic lineage in control. There is much competition and failure amongst those who vie to capture the power vacuum of democracy. And they may fail entirely during epochs, e.g. the Dark Age returned it to feudalism so warlords had more power than Kings. Rather I think the NWO is the natural evolutionary outcome of human desire for collective governance. This power vacuum of democracy forces centralization of power. I covered this process in more detail (made an analogy to organisms in a Petri dish) in my essay which CoinCube referred to in his Economic Devastation thread: In any case, this is why I am trying to eliminate (or reduce is more realistic) the ability of society to tax. I think that is the only way to break free from that power vacuum and arrive at a society based on free market competition. There is much fear and misunderstanding from readers who think this would be worse. For example they conflate crony capitalism with the free market, etc.. This is all covered in great detail in my past writings on this forum. And I don't have time to repeat the discussion again. Hope that helps our misunderstanding and apologies for losing my cuth upthread. I am hoping CoinCube will write a book on all this, because I am obviously not patient and articulate enough to prevent misunderstandings. P.S. perhaps you can detect from my writings today, I am not feeling ill today. Happy productive day and I can concentrate. Add: I forgot to insert this motivation in one of my posts today. If we become wealthy, we can avoid the terrorism tsuris when we travel. A free market is developing to serve us. I lose my shit sometimes too. I hope if people call me out I can be so level headed. I understand the frustration with those who can't see the 'prison'. I think one of the contributory factors to people desiring to be governed, is that it allows you to absolve yourself of personal responsibility. Blame the government! It's their fault I am poor! I see this is being similar to how people use religion as a means of accepting the world. God's will can help you deal with a lot of crap, all you need is faith. Two sides of the same coin, essentially being able to ascribe any action to a higher power, and thus not have to face cold hard reality. I have a bit of an anti authoritarian bent. This can lead me to thinking all authority is corrupt to the core though, and so I have to be careful not to be seduced by that. I need to try and temper that view and accept that some is good some is bad. The people that (mis)wield the power are the ones to blame, not the concept of power, and hierarchy itself. Maybe. I dunno. I'm not against religion, nor am I against people who wish to remain comfortably numb, jacked into the matrix. I'm one of those not very fashionable libertarian sorts, people should be free to do whatever they wanna do type stuff. I don't think that runs contrary to your ideas of a truly free market based society. Indeed as I understand it the concept of property is a pretty big deal, ownership of self etc and by extension the freedom to own other things etc I'm probably rambling a bit now, its late. As for BTC, this better be the bottom, cos my prediction of a few weeks ago is looking crapper by the minute |
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do i think 9/11 was an inside job? yes. herp.
do i think there is a a super secret cabal in charge of the whole world. no.
the truth is likely far more mundane than the hollywood NWO scenario.
some powerful/rich guys sometimes do some really bad stuff to stay in charge/rich. its always been like that. just the same as there have always been other guys who think they are super genius for figuring that out. it's not 'breaking news'.
Those bad guys wielded widespread power to pull off what they did and get the entire world to change into a police state against terrorism, yet you attribute relative impotence to them. I didn't say they were impotent. They are rich and powerful, ergo they can do some pretty serious shit. What I'm arguing specifically is there isn't a glitzy NWO. There is more likely just a bunch of disperate individuals, groups. I don't think that the perpetrators of each atrocity are singing from the same hymn sheet. Have you not seen the billboards for example in London urging citizens to report anything they see, because of the threat of terrorism. Have you not traveled and seen that nearly all public venues (malls, airports, etc) have security guards that have hissy fits if they see even a hang bag laying unattended. Or I guess that global coordination was just a random outcome.  You ignore the overt efforts of for example David Rockefeller who travels the globe working on the global coodination, such as his Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Bilderberg group. These are all real institutions for global coodination. You ignore that corporations and media all over the world push this junk science of man-made global warming. Just a random, uncoordinated outcome eh? My eyes are open to these things, I understand your (albeit somewhat sensational) point about people being slaves to the system. I just don't feel like I am so prescient as to able to draw such unwavering conclusions. I'm not sure knowing the absolute truth of it helps. It's more important to me to just know that this stuff goes on, so that I can try to and play the hand I've been dealt the best I can. Perhaps you are right, perhaps there is one family to rule them all, but it just seems a little improbable to me. This does not mean I don't agree that bad people are doing bad stuff everywhere. |
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Anonymint - Don't bother with your standard (arrogant) "you don't understand" response just because I don't lap up your every word.
Breaking News! Smoking gun! Eyewitness account released by well known Jim Rickards (former intelligence agent turned analyst and author of best seller, Currency Wars) who was in the room when the CIA was doing the insider trading on option puts against the two airlines involved in 9/11. Corroborated by Max Keiser who was talking to Cantor Fitzgerald brokers who told him they were betting short against bombings and airplane attacks imminent on New York. So STFU mofo! You dumb ass white boy slave. You've had all these prior examples of false-flags, e.g. Pearl Harbor, Reichstag fire, etc. and you see the clear motivation for 9/11 was the Patriot Act and subsequent executive orders and laws that have created all seeing police and tax slavery state exposed by Edward Snowden. Yet you still want to believe your white world isn't so corrupt as it is. You want to live in your fantasy bubble. The only thing you might understand is "Mooo. Mooo". Arrogance? No. Just don't want to join dumb ass fools. I prefer humble, but am I supposed to just fall into the queue with you chattel. It has nothing to do with lapping up my word. It has to do with you being too lazy to actually research. If you did the research, you would understand why it is physically impossible for the steel buildings to entirely collapse from fire and debris. Add to that free fall velocity of collapse, meaning no resistance. The only way for WTC7 to collapse the way it did was demolition. And if you are not an engineer then maybe you don't understand that, but we engineers understand why. And yes in fact the building was evacuated several times for long periods leading up to this. And in fact there were dozens of workers in the elevator shafts of the twin towers (where the structural steel beams were) for many weeks leading up to the demolitions. If you did some research and capable of understanding engineering and science, then you would know this. This is another example of what I was explaining upthread (about Bitcoin's white male nerd demographic) wherein we can be separated from the masses who will never be able to comprehend the engineering about 9/11 and so will believe the government's impossible concocted whitewash (or in Bitcoin's case masses are not adopting, only white males against central banking are). We see the same ignorance of science or facts mechanism in play with all the current things white people are fooled into fighting for (to do what the elite want), e.g. Bitcoin, man-made climate change, discrimination, feminism, environment, etc.. The elite lull you into your comfort zone where you can be manipulated with emotional propaganda, e.g. "save those cute polar bears or cute little African kids". Cantor Fitzgerald traders were insider-trading the options on the attacks that killed them. Unbelievable. Insider information provided by Jim Rickards in his new book The Death of Money reveals the CIA was aware of trading on targeted airlines leading up to 9/11. Max Keiser corroborates this with his own experience. Amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI0GUdYwS68&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLgPeople always ask why 9/11 whistleblowers don't come forward. This is why. They are afraid to speak out too soon. Many have been killed. But enough people are out there, keeping themselves in the public view so that they can safely reveal their piece of the puzzle when the time is right. We natives refuse to be slaves (I am % Cherokee) and I see the same daily here in the Philippines, they refuse to obey laws (and that is why I love living here). Some white people (or all except for those who adjust) hate it here because no one follows the rules. They complain incessantly and everyone just leaves the room and lets them blabber to themselves. It is quite hilarious to see the white control freaks go into a livid hissy fit (reminds me of a child whining on the floor of Toys-R-Us about a toy) because the hotel staff refuses to listen to their tirade, wherein the staff escapes to and is giggling in the back office. Here you have no law support to tell your neighbor to stop blasting their karaoke all night for days and weeks. Instead if you want peace, you better buy a large enough area of land. And that is a free market. No big brother to hold your feeble hand. Even if you think you've enslaved a filipino, they will be doing what ever they damn well please when you turn your head. They live for the moment, so it is very difficult to change their motivation to what you want them to do. Of course I also have white traits in me, such as planning for the future. So it is interesting how I try to balance the two cultures that inhabit myself. And those armchair sociologists who accuse of me of being racist are equivalently insane. Should I be racist against white or brown people when I am both? Nonsense. chill. the fuck. out. You have no idea what I think about this stuff, so your diatribe trying to convince me of things is pretty misguided. do i think 9/11 was an inside job? yes. herp. do i think there is a a super secret cabal in charge of the whole world. no. the truth is likely far more mundane than the hollywood NWO scenario. some powerful/rich guys sometimes do some really bad stuff to stay in charge/rich. its always been like that. just the same as there have always been other guys who think they are super genius for figuring that out. it's not 'breaking news'. |
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aminorex, compliments to your superior communication skills. Okay back to TA now. I am done. Thanks for the discussion all. The reason he hates sin so much is sin really is anything that causes harm to others.
What do you do when you can't do anything without harming someone. It is impossible to never harm someone due to the Butterfly effect. You are basically asking for gridlock and communism. I call BS on that. Although your intentions are good, the recurrent outcome of your stated ideology is horrific genocide which is the antithesis of your intention. As far as I can see, the Bible doesn't talk about not harming (although harming shouldn't be and helping should be an individualized goal but not a global requirement, e.g. I can help someone individually whose situation I know), rather it pushes the value of individualism and focusing on what you can do rather than judging others (c.f. Matthew 7). The point of the 10 Commandments is that individualism is destroyed by disrespecting property rights. Then you need a government (idol) to enforce (collective) theft. When the Bible says there is only one King and only one law, what it means is a one-on-one relationship between you and your creator (c.f. Matthew 6:5). For scientists and atheists, let's look at this from the perspective of knowledge spawns accretively from individual fitness to individual situations. I got more in depth on this when I was working out the type theory of computer languages (yeah I know you wonder what in the heck would type theory have to do it). Here is the link: https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21msg/scala-debate/vysv97J0xok/ikiNtik33QsJMatthew 22 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Sin is harm to yourself or others. If you love others, you won't do it. If everyone truly loved everyone else perfectly, there would be no need for laws. This is what Jesus said right here. The point of the 10 commandments is that disobeying them leads you to harm others. If you disrespect your parents, lie, cheat, steal, kill, covet the things you can't have, you will become an evil person that harms others. Adam Smith and John Nash show that fallacy of your Butterfly Effect argument, as they prove that when everyone does good to each other society profits greatly and everyone gets wealthy. Equally well spoken. (probably more so) I am not christian, nor particularly religious in the omniscient being sense of the world. Though in line with my thinking on everything else: who can possibly know. I know love is the most important thing though. Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I get it wrong. Just gotta keep trying. |
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- If the depopulationists ("TPTB") have enough power to finish off the intelligentsia, they don't need bitcoin to do it. Every totalitarian regime has found a way to quickly sanitize the population, fully without bitcoins, facebooks or anything. Just set quotas for the local psycho-sociopathic sheriff and go.
This wakes up the masses. They operate by more subtle means of deception, e.g. Bitcoin. The trick is to have people enslave themselves without knowing it. This is how the elite avoid losing their heads and retain control. Chaotic uprisings are very risky for them. They prefer nationalistic pride wars, where the foolish masses believe they are fighting for something justified. - If they do not have the power for draconian activities, then targeting bitcoin owners does not give them much, but is a very great thing for the freedom people who get to tighten their ranks and perhaps wake up more and more people down the road.
No matter how I think about it, it looks like that the depopulationists have lost. I will have to write more about it for you to understand it,
No need to write more. You don't understand. The problem with people like you are that almost all your theories assume one blatant falsehood - that there are super intelligent, cunning, strategic, and complex humans that pull the strings on society in some elaborate and complex ways. When, in fact, people in "power" are mere mortals, individuals who are really more obsessed with daily issues in front of their faces, than sitting in some secret boardroom trying to devise the next sinister plot to control the world. People with extreme wealth are not particulary intelligent. They are not particularly great at innovation, including the kind that would lead to complex social manipulation of masses. People in power - elected officials or in communist states - inherited officials - or in military states - military officials - all 3 categories are unique and have unique skill sets that allow them to hold "power." Of the three, only military officials have any real skill at social manipulation, that being brute force. It is more of a tactical power than a strategic one, which is why military leaders are often the shortest lived regimes. There are, instead, simply systems that have been created over the years as humans have fought for more "security" (another basic need) that now enable certain classes to have advantages over others. This is kind of a economic darwinian evolution of sorts. But the players who take advantage of these systems today act much more out of tactics than strategy. And you give them WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT. This is right. I'll add to it, that those in power are there because they crave it and will do anything to get it, which means stabbing people in the back, being mercenary and other generally selfish things. By definition this makes them not team players. It makes no sense then, that "they" are all in cahoots. No honour amongst thieves. Anonymint - Don't bother with your standard (arrogant) "you don't understand" response just because I don't lap up your every word. I liked your post, about white slavery, it had good points. Some of us have one eye on the possibility that bitcoin will change the world in ways the so called "beta" males prophesize, and another eye on how to make BTC work for us within the confines of the current system. The thing I understand, is that I cannot possibly *know* what is going to happen. You speak so assuredly on this topic that it gives the impression that you seem to think you *do* know. I read all the entropy stuff. I get that. It leads to nihilistic thinking, and ultimately doesn't help your local reality. I think more attention to the probabalist nature of things, with leaning towards practical application of your theories will serve you better. Until something happens, it has neither resolved one way or another. Prepare for either. You (probably) aren't going to change *the* world more likely you can change *your* world. |
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Don't worry. Nobody really pays any attention to anybody. Speculation sub forum is just a self congratulatory cess pool of narcissists, trolling themselves and believing they are the only one who isn't.
1% content. 99% /b/
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http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.6676I'm not in the 'karpeles is a theif' camp, I don't think anyone can actually know, and everyone who is damn sure they do know needs to check themselves. However, this is the kind of evidence that makes it more of a possibility.
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I'll believe it when I see coins in my wallet.
Still it is a little bit exciting... even if it might just be "bargaining"
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Perhaps about 1-2 weeks, I have had an urge to sell. Not just for profit but just sell, permanently. Even a little. To "balance the portfolio" because you never know what happens, good or bad. Last time I had the same feeling was in September, and I yielded. And felt so good for 1 week. But after 2 months it felt like the stupidest blunder ever. No, I am not selling this time I just shared this with you as one of the indicators of a bottom. I don't think we will see 500 ever again In time, all are assimilated to HODL In the endgame there will be no 'selling' just using. But you already know this of course The odd trinket along the way doesn't hurt though, admittedly I'm not buying million euro houses, but to each according to his means. heheh. |
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I haven't seen my wife and kids in years. This morning I finally found them. Turns out they have been living with me the whole time.
bitcointalk can do that to ya' aye |
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its a fair point i reckon. Although i am constantly second guessing myself i still feel like my stall is set out here. This is still the bottom. It might still drag out for a bit longer yet (in fact I don't think it breaks up until the current ATH/500 low wedge/pennant is resolved), you might get a +/- 10% better entry. who knows. I hold. As ever |
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So if we were to follow last years trend, today (LITERALLY TODAY) would be the cheapest bitcoin we would ever again see in our lifetime? Hmm wow.
I would say so. Bottom tested. Yazz and the plastic population |
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