Context: * BayAreaCoins makes the accusation that I misrepresent both bustabit and bustadice sites as offering a provably fair system for investors. link* I strongly deny this, doubly so because bustabit offers zero investor protection (it's literally: 100%-trust-daniel), so it would be blindly obvious if I tried to pretend otherwise and furthermore, I have absolutely zero motivation to lie (considering I have no role in bustabit other than an unpaid chat mod). I offer him a bitcoin if he can substantiate his accusations link* BayAreaCoins posts what he believes substantiate his claim link and now believes I owe him money. --- I think it's absurd as I don't believe he's found anything remotely like what he accused me of and intentionally conflates bustadice guarantees with bustabit, so he can try make it seem like I misrepresented things. Furthermore, I think he's engaged in childish trust abuse by giving me neutral-feedback regarding language on bustadice website (which as he knows, I have no stake/ownership in and just act as an auditor of game results). He is currently threatening negative feedback unless I pay him a bitcoin, something I think is not nearly merited. So I'll leave it to bitcointalk, who is right? @BayAreaCoins please feel free to add anything here, although I've tried to make the summary as objective as possible. -- Edit 1: I have removed the negative feedback i left on his profile to try de-escalate the situation a little I'm just waking up. This post is intended to quote Mr. Ryan. There will be two three more posts following this one.
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Although I actually agree with you in that provably-fair is the wrong term for it. I'd probably write the copy as "Assuming you trust the two not to collude, investors are given additional protections against cheating" or something of that sort
I respectfully agree with that as well. That would be an accurate statement. Let me know when you fix that and I will remove the neautral feedback. I'm sorry, but this is beyond stupid. I actually agree with you about the language on the site needing to be changed. But the fact that you know it's not even my site (i'm just acting as auditor) and in fact, it's never been my site (Daniel built it from the start) makes this extra stupid. So I'll call your bluff and raise you negative. (For anyone that's wondering, RHavar is throwing a fit because of this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2897545.msg52814057#msg52814057.) But the fact that you know it's not even my site (i'm just acting as auditor)
That's strange because you sound like an owner here: Ryan and I are proud to announce bustadice, a new take on classic dice. You are being disingenuous.
Stop telling me what I know and what I am. I don't know that it isn't your site. You sure seem pretty involved (for no apparent reason.. perhaps the goodness of your heart or the love for the community *throws up* ). We just discussed this in private message two weeks ago: I'm kind of a bit curious about what you meant by suspicious timing of MoneyPot being sold hours after the dice.ninja scam. Surely with the benefit of hindsight, you can see it was just a total coincidence? Or are you implying that I am might be DMF?
I don't believe in coincidences. What I do think I know (feel free to correct me) is that you currently: Decide what datacenter to host stuff at, help maintain & secure funds, contribute math that determines what players rolls are, act as an "auditor", you're a chat moderator and you bankroll the site. You also make statements that BustaDice website is proveably-fair to normal investors (which is totally bogus). It sounds an awful lot like your website, but you enjoy having that "it wasn't me" excuse. 3) Your site is not provably fair, you're asking us to trust you and/or the retarded company that issued a meaningless certificate.
But... isn't that provably fair if you do trust them!? (sarcasm) Please send the Bitcoin you now owe me. My BTC address is: bc1qwupmf3gc6ql8thl3eqmkce6uuur4prj4schw55 Thanks.
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Sheesh Ryan... what happened to going to bed before you say something you regret? Before I say something I regret, I'm just putting you on ignore. Have a good day. ><
17 minutes later... I'm sorry, but this is beyond stupid. I actually agree with you about the language on the site needing to be changed. But the fact that you know it's not even my site (i'm just acting as auditor) and in fact, it's never been my site (Daniel built it from the start) makes this extra stupid. So I'll call your bluff and raise you negative.
I'm childishly abusing the trust system?! *looks Ryan up and down* *bursts out laughing* lol! OK I left you & your associate neutral feedback in regard to something that you agree with: Although I actually agree with you in that provably-fair is the wrong term for it. and I'm sorry, but this is beyond stupid. I actually agree with you about the language on the site needing to be changed.
and we had this talk back in March of this year too. Read through everything... I still don't believe it is provably fair for investors, but it seems more like layering.
Layers help, but they don't make it mathematically fair for investors still. I suppose it does make it fair for you though?
Yeah, you're right. This is the second time I've had to call you or websites you're associated with out on misusing the term "provably-fair" in a fashion to give investors a false sense of security. You bet your ass I left neutral feedback this time around. I really don't think I'm abusing the trust system. If anything, you are abusing the trust system, but I'm not mad at you. Get some sleep, reconsider your feedback in the morning and send me that Bitcoin you owe me. I left you neutral feedback for absurd negative feedback you left me and I will leave you negative feedback tomorrow if you don't send that Bitcoin you owe me for me "remotely" showing that you personally have said investing is proveable-fair on y'alls site (Negative feedback will be left after midnight October 21, 2019). Thanks, you probably should have just went to bed as you said. Edit: Ryan woke up and removed the negative feedback on his own prior to us using Dooglus as a third-party to settle the dispute in regards if Ryan owed me any BTC.Double Edit: Dooglus ruled against me due to the fact I was unable to prove "both". I've dropped my dispute.
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You are being disingenuous.
No, I am not. I sincerely mean everything I'm saying. Before I say something I regret, I'm just putting you on ignore. Have a good day. ><
Good call. Have a good night as well. I wasn't trying to upset you, but really you should know the difference between provably-fair and probably-fair. I'm going to bed too, but not cause you told me so! Put some ice on that butthurt.
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I'm trying to be as diplomatic as possible, but you're making it hard.
There isn't any diplomacy in misusing a word that inspires false confidence from investors. Just say this: Although I actually agree with you in that provably-fair is the wrong term for it. Fix it, don't do it again and go on with life. Simple. I'm not here to fight with you or cause any grief. Just trying to maintain the integrity of the word "provably-fair". I would hope you can respect that. Edit: Maybe I was wrong about the claim in regards to BustaBit... the problem seems to be just on BustaDice... which is owned & operated by the same people regardless. However, I will keep searching tomorrow. I'm going to bed now and not cause you told me to! hehe It's all good Big Ry-dawg.
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you should probably close your computer and come back tomorrow and reread over this stuff with a clear head.
You should just stop misusing the word "provably fair" and fix where y'alls website(s) claim it is provably fair for investors (bustabit or bustadice). Maybe replace it to "probably fair" for investors?
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I've seen you make the claim that both sites are "provably fair" for investors IF you trust you "two".
You're misusing the word and giving investors a false sense of security by doing so. Stop.
lol, easy on the trigger there. I'll give you a bitcoin if you can remotely substantiate that. I've never said, or implied such a thing. I just checked the bustabit webpage and FAQ, and there's no claims like that either. Not to mention, bustabit doesn't even have an auditor system like bustadice does. quoted, give me a minute Edit #1: You didn't type this?
"Assuming you trust the two not to collude, investing becomes provably fair."
Edit #2: I'm going to find the forum post as well. Give me a few more minutes. I have like 370 pages of past posts.
Edit #4: You for sure typed this! Thanks for that Bitcoin! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2219681.msg50191132#msg50191132 I should have posted this one before #3. (I went ahead and moved this one above #3)
Edit #3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2219681.msg50260031#msg50260031
Edit #5" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2897545.msg45335901#msg45335901
Edit #6: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2219681.msg22396650#msg22396650 #6 Quoted: - Advanced provably fair system designed to protect not only the players, but also investors
... Similar to how JustDice pioneered provably fair dice games, we hope that bustadice will considerably improve the situation for investors and set the standard for casino investing. Enhanced provable fairnessbustadice builds upon conventional provably fair systems to provide additional guarantees to players, investors and the casino itself: ... For investors: Neither I nor Ryan can undetectably cheat by predicting future rolls. Assuming you trust the two not to collude, investing becomes provably fair. Edit #7: https://i.imgur.com/P4STV89.png (picture from the homepage of Bustadice)I'll give you a bitcoin if you can remotely substantiate that. I've never said, or implied such a thing.
I believe I have "remotely" shown that you have claimed that BustaDice and/or BustaBit is provably-fair for investors when it is in fact not (see "Edit #4). I could have sworn that you said in a thread after this one that you'd offer .1 BTC if I could show a link with Daniel stating investing was provably-fair... I don't see it anymore, however, Edit #6 & #7 shows that. It seems like you owe me BTC at this point. My bitcoin address is: bc1qwupmf3gc6ql8thl3eqmkce6uuur4prj4schw55
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@BayAreaCoins I think you're just confusing people
I think you're (or whoever) confusing people by grossly misusing the word "provably fair". talking about bustadice in the bustabit thread.
I believe I have seen you make the claim that both sites are "provably fair" for investors IF you trust you "two". You're misusing the word and giving investors a false sense of security by doing so. Stop. This isn't the first time you and I have spoken about this. (99% sure we spoke about it in this thread in fact) The investor guarantees and claims there are different than the ones here.
Are they? How so? Are you saying that either game is actually provably fair for investors? You're making guarantees to investors now? For the sake of everyone's sanity, it's best to discuss bustadice in the bustadice thread, and bustabit in this thread.
I think investors are traditionally pretty smart folks. I'm sure they will manage.
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How is it misleading if it says right there in that Google snippet: "Assuming you trust the two [bustadice and auditor] not to collude".
Do you understand what provably fair means? It means you do not have to trust individuals & you can self verify cheats. It isn't "provable" if it relies on individuals. It's probably-fair (maybe). Here are several quotes from RHavar: So personally I am reasonably convinced the game seeding was done fairly, but I'm not sure it's done well enough to say it's provably fair (maybe "probably fair" is more appropriate?)
That system is known as "provably fair" and contains absolutely everything you need to prove the game is fair. While i do admit it requires quite a bit of technical knowledge, it has the advantage that anyone can verify the game for everyone. So if you can find someone who understands how the maths primitives work, it should be easy to verify =)
You're kind of mixing up terminology here, but you're also on the wrong track. Provably fair means you can prove the game was fair. End of story. If you can't do that, then it's not provably fair.
In the sense that a normal bitcoin casino offers "provably fair" which means "it can cheat you, but you can detect if they do"
So my strong advice for players would be to use a system they can verify themselves (i.e. provably fair)
Here is a quote from the Bustadice thread from Ryan tonight: which states the caveat pretty explicitly. Although I actually agree with you in that provably-fair is the wrong term for it. I'd probably write the copy as "Assuming you trust the two not to collude, investors are given additional protections against cheating" or something of that sort
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TradeSatoshi isn't available in these countries though: The United States of America ,Iran, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Sudan, Cuba, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Serbia, Japan.
A VPN might be useful.
I'd be very careful using a VPN to get around geographical restrictions, because several customers have reported that Tradesatoshi are holding their funds until they complete the KYC process. Unless you're planning on falsifying documents, using a VPN to hide that you're from a banned country may result in the forfeiting of your funds. https://freebitcoins.com/swap/ seems to be dead for the moment, both min and max deposits are 0? Using a VPN is a great way of losing your money to a company that wants to steal using their Terms of Service. Swap is dead in the water at the moment. We are working fulltime on the XCHANGE. Swap will plug into XCHANGE We pulled all of our swap funds off Poloniex after I noticed some really disturbing things (even more disturbing than them being sold to "anonymous Chinese investors" : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=420836.msg52804694#msg52804694
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Although I actually agree with you in that provably-fair is the wrong term for it. I'd probably write the copy as "Assuming you trust the two not to collude, investors are given additional protections against cheating" or something of that sort
I respectfully agree with that as well. That would be an accurate statement. Let me know when you fix that and I will remove the neautral feedback.
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So the only thing I can see that I think is strictly beneficial is trying to make sure that casinos are consumer-friendly casinos as possible (i.e. fair, transparent, no manipulative/lockin bullshit like roll-over reqs etc.)
I think you are misleading investors that investing is Provably Fair is a bit manipulative. These games are only Provably Fair proveable fair to players, these investing sites are currently not Provably Fair to investors. (besides maybe PF to you and devan, but it is definitely not PF to me if I invest.) Investing is not Provably Fair by math. Period. Please consider changing this. Because investing isn't provably fair
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So the only thing I can see that I think is strictly beneficial is trying to make sure that casinos are consumer-friendly casinos as possible (i.e. fair, transparent, no manipulative/lockin bullshit like roll-over reqs etc.)
I think you are misleading investors that investing is Provably Fair is a bit manipulative. These games are only Provably Fair proveable fair to players, these investing sites are currently not Provably Fair to investors. (besides maybe PF to you and devan, but it is definitely not PF to me if I invest.) Investing is not Provably Fair by math. Period. Please consider changing this. Because investing isn't provably fair
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Any chance your swap tool may include a major stablecoin?
Not a snowball's chance in hell while I own a majority share of the FreeBitcoins. We will never support anything that is equivalent to or can be substituted for currency (or has the appearance of). Swap tool is all fuckered up right now. We are on the tail end of developing our own inhouse Shitcoin Exchange: https://freebitcoins.com/xchange/ (PLEASE DO NOT DEPOSIT, THE SITE IS NOT LIVE, WE ARE STILL WORKING EVERYDAY ON HER) Swap will plug into that soon. This will allow us to lower Swap fees as well (50% cut down to 1% when we get stuff going). Thanks for being patient with us while we get everything checked out. ALSO, if you have five minutes... please weigh in on this security issue I found on Blockchain.com's new "military-grade" fiat exchange: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193539.msg52781465#msg52781465 Be sure to comment on that other thread if you choose to comment about the thing I found and the $50 bounty for "recognition of my effort to prioritize this fix". *an heros* (Anyone is welcome to check this out too, I really appreciate comments for or against me, as long as you include why you feel that way.)
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iam playing since around 3 months on this website. But found just today this threat be course i never looked on the alt coin section only on btc gambling section XD Would like so see an auto roll function inside the website so users dont have to use 3party apps.
regards
coming soon summer 2023 The game has a house edge. Auto-rolling is silly. If you don't enjoy playing, don't play! But it's the only way to gamble while taking a shower. The key to automated gambling while showering without a bot in Just-dice is.... just leave something heavy on your keyboard on either the H or the L key!
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Poloniex isn't spinning out of Circle, Circle is running out of Poloniex because hell is raining down on them finally (thank god). You can't declare your company is an MSB in 2015 and start imposing your own regulations/updating your own magical daily withdraw limits... However, only start to apply for licenses in 2018 and expect it actually to work out. Poloniex is having a bad year in 2019. I expect life is going to get significantly worse for Poloniex as well. It started out with Tristian and his two associates getting nailed in Georgia: https://dbf.georgia.gov/press-releases/2019-03-19/department-enters-consent-order-tristan-d%E2%80%99agosta-julie-kim-and-michaelThen Poloniex gets nailed in Ohio for a $100,000 fine. (Ohio's website is down this weekend) Then Poloniex starts giving up all of its licenses: https://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org/EntityDetails.aspx/COMPANY/1486722 I really hope the United States continues to pursue these bad characters and doesn't allow them to just pawn it off on some anon chinese shit. Tristian likely belongs in prison, in my opinion, for 1-5 years (FED time, so 80%). Poloniex https://support.poloniex.circle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360028483832 page still claims they have all these licenses... which they don't as indicated above. Ah fuck it, I'll bite and open a support ticket! It's fun kicking bad guys when they are down because they've treated their customers like such shit for years. If Poloniex still continues to purposely misrepresents that they have USA Licenses on Monday, I'm going to begin my rounds of making phone calls/complaints with the proper state authorities. I recommend others do the same on Monday if Poloniex leaves that page up. (the more that complain, the better our chance is... right now is time to sue and file complaints against this organization and put these bad characters out of their misery and out of the Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency industry. If we need to file complaints on Monday, file them against CIRCLE. Not Poloniex. Circle isn't going to just be able to trick USA citizens all the way their November deadline without having repercussions. For example, Georgia is a $500 a day fine for example and it seems Poloniex has been lying about its license in GA for months at this point!! Bastards man! ) Poloniex mod says that the "Chinese" company is retaining it's, American staff. It's pretty obvious this sell to China is just a way of this company attempting to dodge the laws/United States investors they have violated and defrauded. I doubt the DOJ and other departments investigating Poloniex AND Circle take kindly to this. pistachio: @cryptologyx the team that is currently running polo now is staying Hopefully, this clown learned his lesson about being lazy around Sharks. I personally believe all of that whole CLAM situation would have been avoided if Poloniex (specifically James Seibel) would have taken 5 minutes to implement the fix that the CLAM team gave them for free. James Seibel was specifically responsible for 1,800 BTC being lost, in my opinion. I have opened a thread specifically for this individual: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194358.msg52814537#msg52814537
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BlockchainPIT on their telegram channel is now editing their messages! I'm so fucking thankful I took screenshots. Before they edited their response was: "Steven stick to asking questions on the Pit on this channel. we have taken your points on board above and are looking into it. I have asked the relevant folks internally to ensure it's sorted correctly. Edit: Lol I'm just noticing that part of the edit in their telegram removed the "to ensure it's sorted correctly." lol *facepalm* srsly? Double edit: I'm not saying editing is bad. I make about a million edits and typos each post... but to remove the part that says they will get it sorted correctly is kinda funny in a sick way. lol
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I am now calling this a scam as of this post due to Blockchain and HackerOne not honoring their Bug Bounty terms of payment. After going back and forth with Blockchain's & HackerOne's customer support, I also believe they made claims that they knew are flat out lies. Please read through and make your own decision. I have done my best to document everything here. Something feels real off to me about it. I find it hard to believe that their security team was aware of this problem and purposely chose not to fix it... or at least chose not to fix it until I reported it.
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