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1781  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Morti improvvise e strane di bitcoiner famosi on: December 05, 2022, 04:09:58 PM
ma fidarsi di nessuno lillominato
nella nostra terra natia sicula si dice, gioca a carte con tuo padre e contale (per dire che anche tuo padre potrebbe barare al gioco)

io proseguo la mia filosofia zero trust, fa fatica, ti senti solo ma non rischi inculate

Giusto mai fidarsi di nessuno, ma comunque devi un po' splittare tra chi fidarsi anche poco e da chi non fidarsi proprio, come detto sono paranoico! Chissà perché! Chissà chi mi ha infettato sto virus 😂, ad ogni modo essere proprio ferrei su certi aspetti non si sbaglia mai, dalle mie parti si dice "amici e guardati" cioè guardati le spalle da chiunque anche dagli amici
1782  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 05, 2022, 05:06:40 AM
Napoli is obviously at the top of the table without any direct competition right now. It is Milan who are currently ranked second in the table, and they have to worry first about the teams that are below them in the standings. Because starting from the second position, the competition gets really close.
What I mean to say is that there is not much difference in points between those teams. I do believe we can also look at this from a positive point of view. If we don't think about Napoli at this moment, we will see that the league is quite competitive. Other than that I think Napoli might also drop in terms of performance. They have a recent history of not performing well towards the end of the season. And if that happens, this league is surely going to get a lot more interesting.
Those who have been following Serie A for some time know this well, usually between the end of the first round and the beginning of the second round many teams drop in terms of performance, especially those engaged in European competitions, it is almost a fact that all the teams coached by Spalletti, after arriving in January, drop in performance and sometimes in a very drastic way, it happened with Roma, with Inter and also last year with Napoli. I don't mean it will necessarily happen, but it is very likely. The 8 points gap from the second in the standings is obviously a comfortable advantage for Napoli, who will surely fight for the Scudetto until the end! I share your thought, from second to seventh position in the standings the advantage points are few and the competition will be fierce, especially for placements that give access to the Champions League

Don’t know if it is going to be fair to compare Napoli to what they did in the last season. They did not have a successful performance in the last season. But this season they are playing really well. And even if they do drop in terms of performance, they have a comfortable breathing space of eight points. Hell, just knowing that they have such an advantage entering into the second phase of the season is going to give them good confidence. At the same time, however, it is also very true that the teams that had interference with the European competitions have dropped their performance as a result of their interference.

these are statistics that obviously leave the time they find, it's not a rule, you can be wrong, obviously I'm not referring only to Napoli but to all the teams that are involved in European competitions, which with the increase in midweek commitments are starting to lose ground. And let's also consider that there is also the efforts of the World Cup to add. All teams will suffer, especially those who have many players engaged in the competition
1783  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 05, 2022, 12:50:54 AM
Napoli - Inter game could be really interesting. We will watch a game between the most scorer teams of the league first of all. Napoli have been much more impressive until now of course. But there is a long break until this game so we never know how strong these teams will come back. Inter will hope for Napoli to lose their momentum in this period of time.

But it is a really desperate wish I believe. Because Napoli have been fully concentrated on the league title so far. No matter how long the break is I don't expect it to affect them very seriously. They will just hope for not dealing with any serious injury after the World Cup ends.

this is a very interesting match Napoli vs Inter and it takes place at a key moment, the call-ups for the national team benefit Napoli for the moment, who have only sent 5 players to the World Cup, while Inter have sent six. to date for napoli only Kim remains in the running for the world cup, the other 4 players have now finished their journey to the world cup, instead for inter there are still many players who will continue the world cup, Brozovic - Lautaro - De Vrij - Dumfries. Tiredness and physical recovery will be very important variables. I think it will still be a nice game to watch and I say that Napoli can win it, personal opinion of course
1784  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin or altcoin? on: December 05, 2022, 12:05:22 AM
Leaving sentiments asides, will you advise someone to still buy some Bitcoins (Not up to the value of 1)  if they have an amount of money that will be okay to purchase the equivalent of 1 of a good altcoin with a strong community? Is having some bitcoins (in decimals) more valuable still than having the value of one good altcoin?

honestly, I always recommend investing in bitcoin even for a few hundred dollars, I strongly advise against buying altcoins. at least that the person I have to give advice to is a serial speculator so I could give some advice on what is better to bet or not, and never out of the top 10 cryptocurrencies
1785  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Morti improvvise e strane di bitcoiner famosi on: December 04, 2022, 11:43:41 PM
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Però vorrei dire una cosa, facciamo caso che io dica alla mia compagna che ho milioni di dollari in btc, onde evitare che questa perda la testa, gli comunico mentre lei sorseggia un calice di vino pronta a pianificare tutto,

Amore però sappi che per prendere quei milioni di dollari ti serve la seed, e la conosco solo io, quindi se "muoro" io  muore la seed, muoiono i milioni 😉

Se fossi nei panni della tua compagnia e non fossi più "innamorato" di te, di sicuro non penserei ad un metodo per farti "muorire" anche perché rischierei di essere beccata e lì sarebbero cavoli amari.

Uno dei grossi vantaggi di Btc è che una volta fatta la tx che ti svuota il wallet..... la tua ragazza potrebbe tranquillamente lasciarti andare per cui tutt'al più potresti accusarla di furto. Pene molto più leggere. Molto. In Italia direi quasi nulle.... anche perché il furto dovresti provarlo: come faresti a dimostrare che quella tx è finita verso un indirizzo controllato dalla tua ragazza ?

E questo sarebbe molto più facile da fare rispetto ad un omicidio perché per "convincerti" a fare quella benedetta tx ci sarebbero tanti sistemi, ovviamente non leciti ma comunque convincenti. Molto convincenti.
Basterebbe probabilmente farsi aiutare da un paio di amici fidati che abbiano magari voglia di divertirsi con uno di quei taglierini che si usano molto nel fai da te, hai presente? un taglierino si può usare in tanti modi per convincere una persona a fare qualcosa, a patto di avere lo stomaco abbastanza forte per usarlo   Wink



Insomma mi volete quasi morto 😂😂 scherzi a parte!
1 Sono paranoico,
2 la mia compagna non sa che detengo btc
3 ho giurato al mio HW finché morte non ci separi
4 il seed è praticamente memorizzato in mente anche se esiste il backup
5 hw nascosto

Per come la vedo io si possono fare avanti chiunque con taglierini e machete

Secondo me il 99% dei casi chi ha una compagna e gli parla di Bitcoin non avrà la ben che minima reazione da parte di quest’ultima perché non riesce ad assimilare cosa siano o a cosa possano servire. La mia ad esempio sono anni che pensa che il mio sia un gioco. Dunque non mi preoccuperei tanto delle signore almeno che queste non siano informatiche che abbiano appreso cosa sia Bitcoin ma anche qui dubito che abbiano menti seriali.
La verità è che se ti fidi di una persona che conosci da una vita e avete un rapporto complementare allora penso che sia l’unica persona a cui potete confidare e lasciare il testimone nel caso di… certo se non andate d’accordo dalla mattina alla sera o non c’è fiducia allora non fatelo, ma dormirei abbastanza tranquillo difficilmente commetterà un omicidio per qualcosa che non sa come utilizzare.

io mi fido ciecamente della mia compagna, non vorrei che stia facendo capire l'inverso, e ovviamente i miei post si riferivano all'ipotetico scenario descritto da @gbianchi introducendo un piccolo colpo di scena, che a via di batti e ribatti sta uscendo fuori un bel thriller che potrebbe diventare anche un best seller XD
1786  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: First time of owning bitcoin on: December 04, 2022, 09:37:25 PM
Not too quite long I had a section in my home where I had to discuss with some of my neighbors about cryptocurrency/bitcoin and to an extent explained to them how the industry operates and the benefits it can offer. But this is not the actual point of my discussion anyway.
The thing here is that one of the person's I had that round table discussion with was to my oblivion doing  some personal research privately about bitcoin based on all she has been told about it for the past many days after that very discussion. And so yesterday she came to me asking that I should assist her in purchasing bitcoin worth about $160 as she is avoiding on making mistake by doing it by herself alone since it's her first time. After every process and the said amount of bitcoin was purchased successfully into her account, immediately there was this expression of the feeling of joy the lady expressed with a wide smiles that seem unending and I was amazed at such level of excitement she showed.

Then after she left, I started asking myself, like did I also acted same way when I first got my own bitcoin or is the lady just been overwhelmed knowing she now own a certain amount of bitcoin or am I missing something as to why she reacted the way she did?

For you how was your own reaction/expression in your first time of purchasing and owning bitcoins, was it so different? I would love to know!

my first investment in bitcoin dates back to 2016, it was my first absolute investment in cryptocurrencies and I was quite happy to take this step, because I knew I was investing for the future, still today I am happy with the choice made
1787  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 04, 2022, 09:16:58 PM
England are qualified for the quarterfinals!

For those who watched this game from the beginning, I'm sure as much as I believed she would go home, because she was playing very poorly.... in fact she wasn't even able to play because Senegal squeezed a lot and had two very good chances open the score.

Fortunately they managed to open the scoring in the 38th minute of the first half and then it seems that the English "woke up" for the game, as England's performance changed drastically, they returned to attacking, creating goal chances and scoring the second still in stoppage time.

After England's third goal, I believed I would see a rout, I was already betting 5 goals for the English, but then Senegal came back to press, but they didn't manage to score a goal.

Anyway, for the next stage, I believe that France should beat England in Saturday's game, that's my bet for now, and you?

I haven't seen tonight's match, but it was an almost certain victory for England, even if Senegal played well, they had little chance of going through. I don't like the game that England offers, despite having many top players in the team, they play badly. Now they will face France which in my opinion is one of the most popular national teams for the final victory of the tournament and it will be tough for England. I don't make predictions about the result because it's a match open to any result but I just hope it's a great quarter-final
1788  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Morti improvvise e strane di bitcoiner famosi on: December 04, 2022, 05:17:22 PM
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Però vorrei dire una cosa, facciamo caso che io dica alla mia compagna che ho milioni di dollari in btc, onde evitare che questa perda la testa, gli comunico mentre lei sorseggia un calice di vino pronta a pianificare tutto,

Amore però sappi che per prendere quei milioni di dollari ti serve la seed, e la conosco solo io, quindi se "muoro" io  muore la seed, muoiono i milioni 😉

Se fossi nei panni della tua compagnia e non fossi più "innamorato" di te, di sicuro non penserei ad un metodo per farti "muorire" anche perché rischierei di essere beccata e lì sarebbero cavoli amari.

Uno dei grossi vantaggi di Btc è che una volta fatta la tx che ti svuota il wallet..... la tua ragazza potrebbe tranquillamente lasciarti andare per cui tutt'al più potresti accusarla di furto. Pene molto più leggere. Molto. In Italia direi quasi nulle.... anche perché il furto dovresti provarlo: come faresti a dimostrare che quella tx è finita verso un indirizzo controllato dalla tua ragazza ?

E questo sarebbe molto più facile da fare rispetto ad un omicidio perché per "convincerti" a fare quella benedetta tx ci sarebbero tanti sistemi, ovviamente non leciti ma comunque convincenti. Molto convincenti.
Basterebbe probabilmente farsi aiutare da un paio di amici fidati che abbiano magari voglia di divertirsi con uno di quei taglierini che si usano molto nel fai da te, hai presente? un taglierino si può usare in tanti modi per convincere una persona a fare qualcosa, a patto di avere lo stomaco abbastanza forte per usarlo   Wink



Insomma mi volete quasi morto 😂😂 scherzi a parte!
1 Sono paranoico,
2 la mia compagna non sa che detengo btc
3 ho giurato al mio HW finché morte non ci separi
4 il seed è praticamente memorizzato in mente anche se esiste il backup
5 hw nascosto

Per come la vedo io si possono fare avanti chiunque con taglierini e machete
1789  Local / Off-Topic (Italiano) / Re: Musica 🎵 on: December 04, 2022, 08:17:18 AM
Vi posto una chicca, in realtà non l'ascoltavo dai tempi del liceo, e ritrovarmela davanti gli occhi girando su YouTube è stata davvero piacevole! Quindi la voglio condividere con voi! La conoscete sicuro

https://youtu.be/St6jyEFe5WM
1790  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Morti improvvise e strane di bitcoiner famosi on: December 04, 2022, 07:15:36 AM
C'e' anche da considerare che non tutti fanno notizia.

Ad esempio, c'era uno molto attivo sul forum tanti anni fa, col nick "rpietila"

Costui era un tipo certamente brillante, ma anche incredibilmente "spaccone".
C'erano in giro un sacco di foto con lui vestito da re, lui con una rolls royce,
e non perdeva occasione di vantarsi che aveva migliaia di bitcoin.

C'e' anche da dire che molti lo additavano come scammer, ed e' rimasto coinvolto
in vari casini (ci sono ampie storie sul forum)

Inoltre aveva anche comprato verso il 2014 un castello (abbastanza scassato ad onor del vero)
Malla Manor, per realizzare una sorta di "comune per bitcoiners" ma nel 2018 il castello si e' incendiato.

Insomma, un personaggio abbastanza controverso, ma sicuramente un pioniere.

Se siete bravi a scavare nelle fogne di internet, scoprirete che attorno al 2020 e'
morto improvvisamente in un incidente stradale.

Poi magari e' morto in un "vero" incidente eh, chissa'...
ma avevamo ampiamente dibattuto in un antico thread su altri aspetti della sicurezza bitcoin,
non credo sia molto igienico spiattellare in giro che si possiede un patrimonio in crypto.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2107660.0

Per le morti misteriose, aggiungerei alla vecchia lista di "Pericoli" anche un pericolo
molto subdolo: il combinato disposto di "vai a capire di chi ti puoi davvero fidare" e "le cose cambiano"

Mi spiego: supponiamo che un giovane early adopter  si trovi migliaia di bitcoin
che valgono relativamente poco in mano (minando? comprandoli? non fa differenza).
diciamo un controvalore di diecimila euro, una bella sommetta ma nulla di sconvolgente,
e questo giovane ragazzo ne parla con la giovane fidanzata innamoratissima,
della quale si fida ciecamente magari a ragione (e poi magari anche per fare un po' lo spaccone, ci puo' stare)

Poi passano gli anni. I 10.000 euro diventano 100 milioni, e la (meno) giovane ragazza
si scopre nel suo intimo molto piu' innamorata dei milioni che del suo (meno) giovane (meno) amore.

Lascio a voi completare la storia.

Ovviamente i personaggi possono essere diversi (amici, parenti, soci, coniugi...)
e i legami pure (affari, amicizia, affetto, fiducia vera, fiducia carpita (social engineering) ....)
ma i due concetti "vai a capire di chi ti puoi davvero fidare" e "le cose cambiano"
potrebbero agire in modo veramente subdolo nel mondo delle crypto, ancor piu' che nel mondo "fiat".



 

I vecchi detti non sbagliano mai. "Fidarsi è bene, non fidarsi è meglio". Mi piace la tua storiella, rappresenta in toto le vicende di vita reale, non solo per quanto riguarda Bitcoin, ma anche per oro o soldi in genere! La gente ne è completamente attratta e disposta a tutto certune volte.

Però vorrei dire una cosa, facciamo caso che io dica alla mia compagna che ho milioni di dollari in btc, onde evitare che questa perda la testa, gli comunico mentre lei sorseggia un calice di vino pronta a pianificare tutto,

Amore però sappi che per prendere quei milioni di dollari ti serve la seed, e la conosco solo io, quindi se "muoro" io  muore la seed, muoiono i milioni 😉
1791  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [Meta] Andamento sezione italiana on: December 03, 2022, 11:05:23 PM
Hai dimenticato una cosa:
Mentre osservi un cantiere.

 Grin Grin

No, quello richiede la massima attenzione, dato che i ragazzi hanno sempre bisogno dei miei consigli.
Quindi non posso scrivere nel mentre, un po’ come guidare.

Ora, ad esempio, sto zappando l’orto:



Bello questo orto, ti invidio! Io ho al massimo una aiula dove non cresce neanche l'erba spontanea! 😂😂 Ma toglimi una curiosità quel ortaggio in fondo a sinistra sono finocchi? Per lo meno mi sembrano finocchi... Peccato che i btc non si possano piantare 😅
1792  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 03, 2022, 10:41:17 PM
Normally I don't like to see any team dominating the Serie A and winning a very comfortable title. Because it just makes that season very boring for the spectators. The season just ends early and you don't experience any exciting race for the title at least between two teams. However we are talking about a probable new champion in the league. I mean that of course Napoli had championships in the league before but it was so many years ago. After all these years they finally have their biggest opportunity.
Rather than seeing Juventus starting to dominate the league and make it boring again, I would just prefer Napoli to make it. They deserve it already now because they have proven themselves worthy for the title by beating every single one of their competitors no matter how strong they are.
excellent observation, winning without many direct opponents for the title makes the whole championship boring, I too hope for the final victory of Napoli in Serie A, they deserve it, Southern Italy deserves it, given that almost all championships are won by teams from Northern Italy, I am very concerned about the recent investigations concerning Juventus Atalanta and Genoa. I think there could be repercussions during the championship

Napoli is obviously at the top of the table without any direct competition right now. It is Milan who are currently ranked second in the table, and they have to worry first about the teams that are below them in the standings. Because starting from the second position, the competition gets really close.

What I mean to say is that there is not much difference in points between those teams. I do believe we can also look at this from a positive point of view. If we don't think about Napoli at this moment, we will see that the league is quite competitive. Other than that I think Napoli might also drop in terms of performance. They have a recent history of not performing well towards the end of the season. And if that happens, this league is surely going to get a lot more interesting.

Those who have been following Serie A for some time know this well, usually between the end of the first round and the beginning of the second round many teams drop in terms of performance, especially those engaged in European competitions, it is almost a fact that all the teams coached by Spalletti, after arriving in January, drop in performance and sometimes in a very drastic way, it happened with Roma, with Inter and also last year with Napoli. I don't mean it will necessarily happen, but it is very likely. The 8 points gap from the second in the standings is obviously a comfortable advantage for Napoli, who will surely fight for the Scudetto until the end! I share your thought, from second to seventh position in the standings the advantage points are few and the competition will be fierce, especially for placements that give access to the Champions League
1793  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's Last Stand on: December 03, 2022, 12:06:33 PM
i prefer paying with my smartphone or a watch , this is the "new" way.
My understanding, barter is the most ancient trade method in the world, not something new.

I don't think he means giving a smartphone in exchange for a service, but rather, using your phone like a credit card, via something like Apple Pay or Google Pay. It'll forward the payment to your card.

exactly, he means just that. These new payment methods make me paranoid! you never know if you are truly safe from fraud, especially when your device is stolen. better to use other types of payments, perhaps with something that gives you more security and control of your finances
1794  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 03, 2022, 09:51:53 AM
Normally I don't like to see any team dominating the Serie A and winning a very comfortable title. Because it just makes that season very boring for the spectators. The season just ends early and you don't experience any exciting race for the title at least between two teams. However we are talking about a probable new champion in the league. I mean that of course Napoli had championships in the league before but it was so many years ago. After all these years they finally have their biggest opportunity.

Rather than seeing Juventus starting to dominate the league and make it boring again, I would just prefer Napoli to make it. They deserve it already now because they have proven themselves worthy for the title by beating every single one of their competitors no matter how strong they are.

excellent observation, winning without many direct opponents for the title makes the whole championship boring, I too hope for the final victory of Napoli in Serie A, they deserve it, Southern Italy deserves it, given that almost all championships are won by teams from Northern Italy, I am very concerned about the recent investigations concerning Juventus Atalanta and Genoa. I think there could be repercussions during the championship
1795  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 02, 2022, 08:16:28 PM
This is a really tough season for Milan. They have a much bigger challenge against them now - Napoli. Milan's job wasn't easy in the previous season as well of course but they were able to tolerate this kind of simple point losses at least. But in this season they just can't. Because as you have all witnessed so far, Napoli are destroying every single one of their opponents. They don't even lose any points against the biggest contenders for the league title. They have lost only two points each against Lecce and Fiorentina.

While Milan are facing a rival like this in the title race they just need to do better to retain their title. Their point losses in simple matches on the recent weeks just caused the gap to be 8 points in no time. They just need to have a long running win streak to at least have a chance to keep up with Napoli.

To be honest, I don't think Milan have much of a chance to win the title this year. If they had not lost points in the last weeks, maybe they would have had more chances, but right now the difference in points is too much. No matter how well Milan plays, it is difficult to become champions because Napoli are showing one of their best performances in recent years.

I think Napoli can be undefeated champions this year. We still have many matches and a long time ahead of us, but I won't be surprised if I see such a league end Smiley

I believe that this year's Serie A is the most balanced of the last twenty years, it's difficult to say who will win, even if Napoli, thanks to their 8-point advantage over Milan, becomes the main candidate to win Serie A, I say this because Last year Inter in January had a 7-point lead over Milan and at the end of the championship Milan won with a 2-point lead over Inter. It will be important for Napoli not to lose ground in direct matches

Most balanced? I don't quite agree with your view. I think last season was better in this regard, if you remember, we couldn't even predict which team would be champion until the last weeks of the league.
If I remember correctly, there were 2-3 teams that had a chance to become the champion even when there was 1 month left until the end of the league Smiley

yes I remember last season well, and it was quite fought until the end, but in reality there were only 3 teams that had the chance to win Serie A, I partially agree with your reasoning compared to the 15th day of last year, if we make a comparison with last year you will see that teams like Juventus and Lazio struggled to win matches and teams like Fiorentina and Bologna appeared in the top 7 in the standings, however this year the top 7 positions are occupied by teams" stronger", if instead we make a comparison on the points you are absolutely right
1796  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 02, 2022, 07:15:08 PM

I believe that this year's Serie A is the most balanced of the last twenty years, it's difficult to say who will win, even if Napoli, thanks to their 8-point advantage over Milan, becomes the main candidate to win Serie A, I say this because Last year Inter in January had a 7-point lead over Milan and at the end of the championship Milan won with a 2-point lead over Inter. It will be important for Napoli not to lose ground in direct matches
Defeat will make them closer to the other team under them, the nearest AC Milan. I'm sure Napoli are aware of all this, but whether they are able to maintain their current position is still a big question, considering there are still many matches they will play. They had a very good start, and they have to finish well too. Don't let the end of the season become a bad season that they have to swallow raw.

of course, to become champions of Italy you have to resist and win direct matches, and so far Napoli hasn't done anything wrong against their direct opponents for the title, but the question arises almost spontaneously, will they be able to resist until the end? Spalletti's teams have accustomed us to incredible loss of points in the months of January and February. I hope it doesn't happen again at least this year! because I really like their game this year
1797  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Fisco / Tasse / Legge sul Bitcoin on: December 02, 2022, 06:57:35 PM
Mettiamo caso io detenga delle crypto su binance ed ho anche la sua carta e volessi utilizzarla semplicemente per fare la spesa una volta tanto, secondo voi risulta come un cashout o passa inosservata come transazione? Ovviamente parlo di poche decine di euro per volta, non grosse spese. Grazie anticipatamente a chi mi risponderà
1798  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Fisco / Tasse / Legge sul Bitcoin on: December 02, 2022, 03:25:07 PM
A mio avviso, alcune persone intenzionate a fare "cash out" per controvalori "importanti" e confuse, sfiancate e arrabbiate, procederanno in modi vari, ad esempio, ovviamente per pura ipotesi, come esercizio mentale:

- registrare un conto corrente/IBAN estero EU
- registrarsi a un exchange/piattaforma che permetta di vendere non iscritta a OAM
- informare la propria banca che si intende far arrivare una cifra da un proprio conto su banca EU a quello "locale" presso di loro, quindi nessun dubbio su provenienza, essendo entrambi a sè intestati; se domandato, comunicare tranquillamente a voce che sono proventi da vendite di criptovalute e che, nel massimo rispetto, la propria fiscalità non è di loro pertinenza, ringraziando con sorriso
- vendere i bitcoin, inviare bonifico dall'exchange al proprio conto estero
- inviare poi bonifico dal proprio conto estero al proprio conto "locale"
la penultima azione, ossia
- fregarsene completamente di dichiarare qualsiasi cosa, che sia il possesso di conto estero avendo sforato i 15.000 € "a spot" o che sia il possesso di criptovalute
e infine, l'ultima azione
- vivere sereni aspettando che il fisco eventualmente bussi alla porta, statisticamente non accadrà o comunque i "danni" saranno più limitati e diluiti rispetto all'aver dichiarato inizialmente

Mi fermo qui, buona giornata.

Se il post fosse eccessivamente sopra le righe, fatemelo pure sapere ed eliminerò prontamente, oppure chiunque abbia potere di farlo proceda tranquillamente, grazie.

Mi sento di sconsigliare fortemente questa strada, che sottovaluta i rischi nel caso si tratti di un importo rilevante (in proporzione al reddito/patrimonio del correntista). La banca farebbe comunque partire d'ufficio una segnalazione all'UIF, e aspettare che prima o poi  il fisco bussi alla porta non lo definirei esattamente come vivere "sereni".

Concordo pienamente con te, non lo definirei neanche io vivere sereni, proprio perché hai fatto un raggiro sulle norme abbastanza importante, non credo proprio stiano con le mani in tasca a guardarti vincere, penso però che utilizzare un DEX tipo bisq sia un tantino più sensato per fare cashout, ma ci sarebbe di studiare bene il caso
1799  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA 2022 world cup on: December 02, 2022, 03:14:04 PM
I don't know which team will win this match Cameroon vs Brazil. But I don't know one thing that is the favorite team Brazil. I can say that I am very hopeful to see my favorite team Brazil play well in this match. I think this  Both teams will play very well.
Brazil seems has more chanc eto win the match. Brazil will become the most favorite team to win the match against cameroon. It's caused by brazil has proven the quality from the football house during the group qualified. I think that if brazil will be much more dominant in the world cup compared with cameroon. I have taken brazil as the next team to win against cameroon. This gonna be a very interesting match as cameroon was also doing so well in the group qualifier.
Let's see how cameroon will be preventing brazil.

the technical gap between brazil and cameroon is so big despite cameroon having globally known players. Most likely we won't see a great match from Brazil since they are already qualified for the round of 16 and possibly the coach will rest some starting players, also taking into consideration the absence of Neymar. As for Cameroon's hypothetical victory, it doesn't necessarily go through! If Switzerland wins, they pass to the round of 16, if they draw, there will be variables to take into account (goal difference, goals scored, goals conceded, etc.) in short, a match to watch absolutely in my opinion
1800  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 02, 2022, 02:51:36 PM
This is a really tough season for Milan. They have a much bigger challenge against them now - Napoli. Milan's job wasn't easy in the previous season as well of course but they were able to tolerate this kind of simple point losses at least. But in this season they just can't. Because as you have all witnessed so far, Napoli are destroying every single one of their opponents. They don't even lose any points against the biggest contenders for the league title. They have lost only two points each against Lecce and Fiorentina.

While Milan are facing a rival like this in the title race they just need to do better to retain their title. Their point losses in simple matches on the recent weeks just caused the gap to be 8 points in no time. They just need to have a long running win streak to at least have a chance to keep up with Napoli.

To be honest, I don't think Milan have much of a chance to win the title this year. If they had not lost points in the last weeks, maybe they would have had more chances, but right now the difference in points is too much. No matter how well Milan plays, it is difficult to become champions because Napoli are showing one of their best performances in recent years.

I think Napoli can be undefeated champions this year. We still have many matches and a long time ahead of us, but I won't be surprised if I see such a league end Smiley

I believe that this year's Serie A is the most balanced of the last twenty years, it's difficult to say who will win, even if Napoli, thanks to their 8-point advantage over Milan, becomes the main candidate to win Serie A, I say this because Last year Inter in January had a 7-point lead over Milan and at the end of the championship Milan won with a 2-point lead over Inter. It will be important for Napoli not to lose ground in direct matches
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