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181  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 02:29:40 AM
Stop for a second and take this topic as an example,who got merits on their posts,Only Legendary and Hero Ranks!
and this how it'll go, the one who said the poor will stay poor was right in my Opinion
UNFAIR System Online!

Now trading sMerit happens on Chinese and Russian local.
And a lot of Legendary, Hero member will be very happy with that. Devs give them a business job and free money.

Why shouldn't they support this Merit system? So ridiculous.
182  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 02:00:10 AM
Did I mention cheater at the very beginning?
And did I mention unfair about Legendary rank?

You are trying not understand because of your act. So innocent.

-Specify this fucking 'cheat' you're talking about. You mean the people exploiting some bugs? It's being dealt with, learn to read kid. The new system was just released, you expect it to be perfect already?

-It's not unfair and it does not favor legendaries.

It was a suggested solution to reducing spam and has been implemented to see how it works out. I didn't see you complaining when the forum was/is completely littered with shitposts. Did that not bother you?
It bothers me either. I agree. However, if dev creates a new system, he should consider the consequence.
I don't like spam post, but I hate unfair and cheating more.

Spam post can be done by anyone.

Unfair only can be done as higher rank abuse lower rank.
And cheating can be done by group of people.

Furthermore, merit may create a trading market for those who have a lot of sMerit sell to who need sMerit.
It creates more issue, don't you see that?

Shitposts bother you?? You don't like spam posts?? Who are you trying to fool here, yourself maybe?

Am I making you angry? What with that "fking" word?

Like I say, act as a kid and want people think you are mature.

Obviously, the new system is not perfect.
That what I am trying to do here. Telling my opinion and let dev know.
What are you trying to prove here? For your past baby action?

Do you understand if there is a group of people, they got their account, and they only give sMerit to their friends. So you think it is fair.
Try to be polite at first.

This is a global forum, everyone can see your action.
183  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 01:51:35 AM
It was a suggested solution to reducing spam and has been implemented to see how it works out. I didn't see you complaining when the forum was/is completely littered with shitposts. Did that not bother you?

It bothers me either. I agree. However, if dev creates a new system, he should consider the consequence.
I don't like spam post, but I hate unfair and cheating more.

Spam post can be done by anyone.

Unfair only can be done as higher rank abuse lower rank.
And cheating can be done by group of people.

Furthermore, merit may create a trading market for those who have a lot of sMerit sell to who need sMerit.
It creates more issue, don't you see that?
If you can about others cheating the system so much, then do something about it. I implore you to go around with your detective skills: look for cheaters and report them. Roll Eyes

If your posts are of high quality, you should be able to rank up no problem. Unfortunately, I think we are both aware that this might not be the case.

Can I ask you a question? How many member is there in this bitciontalk forum?
Even I am willing to report cheater, how is it done by myself?

And why are you saying the impossible thing and ask people do it? But if dev can change the system, which 100% dev can do.
That is the possible thing I am trying in this topic to make it happen.

Another legendary come and say pointless thing?

I am trying asking dev for improve this system. Are you dev?
184  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 01:42:10 AM
Your name suits you and all the nonsense you've said in this thread alone, along with this meme:



I am posting this one and don't expect any merit from you all.

Don't expect any merit at all.

You come here to let people know you are a troll, or joker or something???

Congrat we know that by your act.

We all seriously discuss the problem and you act like a 3 years old kid.

You can say your disagreement, your opinion and we love to hear. We will discuss about that.

Nonetheless, please don't be a kid.

Serious discussion on what problem exactly? I've read through 5 pages of this thread and you've made NOTHING clear. I can barely understand a sentence from your posts, I bet google translate makes better grammar than you.

Did I mention cheater at the very beginning?
And did I mention unfair about Legendary rank?

You are trying not understand because of your act. So innocent.
185  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 01:35:45 AM
It was a suggested solution to reducing spam and has been implemented to see how it works out. I didn't see you complaining when the forum was/is completely littered with shitposts. Did that not bother you?

It bothers me either. I agree. However, if dev creates a new system, he should consider the consequence.
I don't like spam post, but I hate unfair and cheating more.

Spam post can be done by anyone.

Unfair only can be done as higher rank abuse lower rank.
And cheating can be done by group of people.

Furthermore, merit may create a trading market for those who have a lot of sMerit sell to who need sMerit.
It creates more issue, don't you see that?
186  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 01:24:50 AM
Your name suits you and all the nonsense you've said in this thread alone, along with this meme:



I am posting this one and don't expect any merit from you all.

Don't expect any merit at all.

You come here to let people know you are a troll, or joker or something???

Congrat we know that by your act.

We all seriously discuss the problem and you act like a 3 years old kid.

You can say your disagreement, your opinion and we love to hear. We will discuss about that.

And what is nonsense to you. I am discussing about the new system and the cheaters of this new meta. Is it hard to understand? I am wondering, What and Why was you even reading?

Nonetheless, please don't be a kid.
187  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 01:03:44 AM
We are a community here and we joined here in order to learn and not to earn.

Maybe some see this new system as a benefit but some may see this as a problem. We can't do anything about it since we are not the developers. Lets just thank the devs because they created this forum where most if not all of the information about cryptocurrency is here.

In my opinion, I am a full member now and it will be 150 merits away to rank up but I didn't say anything about it. Lets say that some Legendaries now gained their rank because of shitty posts, can we do anything about it? We can't and lets accept it.

With this new merit system, I am at the middle of it. For me, I see this forum as a learning place not a earning place since this forum is created to share information to others. This forum is like an online library for me. Smiley

I understand you.

However, of course we can do something, even you know it won't be changed.
At least you say and let the developers know this issue and they may or may not concern.

This merit system has a leak and you can check in this Meta forum, some people has discover the Merit cheating.
I am saying here for improve this system to be fair for everyone.
188  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 12:49:50 AM
TWO LEGENDARY come saying.

I love this, Rich people now defending.

I hope listen to more, and look forward how Newbee say.
For me, I don't care how much of this merit I have.  What I care about is that I will never, EVER give any merit points to a shitposter, and it's a good thing that it's a necessary ingredient for the witches brew rank-up formula.   

Love hearing noob shitposters squealing about this system.

Still don't go straight to the point, how about cheaters sir??

Why would you say about shitposter and don't mention about the cheaters?

Is that because you are on safe zone?

Who care about you giving your merit?

I am posting this one and don't expect any merit from you all.
189  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 12:46:20 AM
I'm looking past posts of Heros/Legendaries, many of them has spam posts in their beginning of here.
They became high ranks with spam posts, and now telling to ppl "Dont spam!".

You are the one of them. SO shut up


In this case, keyword: past.

So the higher rank like you just like to make more difficult work for new member?

i am thinking what if the new member they spam at the beginning, which everyone does and will get mature time by time. Because the old ranking up system is hard and take time.
A new member want to be a Legendary at all system may take at least 2, 3 years or even more. Is it not enough?

And this Merit system is giving all member has the right to giving merit score and my main point is group of cheater.

You say a lot and do you give me a real solution for that.
And I mean a REAL solution for punishing cheater.
If you're gonna say, the system will improve, then you are not in my point.
We all know that, I am here to rush that, because if you don't have that yet, then don't release the new system.
Wait until you create the anti-cheater then do it.
190  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 12:34:31 AM

User fogocut21 posted very good thoughts above, I'm agree with things what he said, but I will try to add some my minds.
I read all posts in this thread and many others threads about Merit and I don't understand, why do you think that merit system is unfair? If you will post good content, you will get Merit points. After Merit system was implemented, you still have right to say what do you want, you are only not guaranteed to get Merit points. It's something similar like upvotes on Steemit.
But still, there will be lot of spam, because theymos had to introduce Merit system or something similar few years ago when spam problem still wasn't that serious as now. But at least, now new members will be not able to rank up by shitposting and they will have to work harder and improve their posts quality.
And actually, for me idea which was proposed by hilariousandco looks better - if you want wear signature, you need to buy membership. It would reduce account farming. But we need at least some months to see, how effective is new Merit system
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You say this and I know you don't understand the whole point.

Do you see right now the cheater of Merit Score appear ?

This Merit score will benefit a group of people, they score each other Merit point. And other individual people won't get anything or a long time to gain that merit score from other person.

So what do you say? This Merit system just create more issue beside spam post.

Spam post may be a problem, but at least it will be fair for all people. And now Merit come out, only Legendary has their all profit and people work with group still can spam and get point by their partner and teammates.

How about the individual? Who take care of them?
You???
191  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 11:04:12 PM
The bitsend airdrop is just an example, for saying all the profit will belong to LEGENDARY.
And no one say about benefit of the campaigns, we are discussing about the unfair system score.
Do you read all member posted here?
And I said once, and I ask you again, Are you sure after this system come out, spam post won't appear?
Talking is our right and why it must be scored?
We are talking our own idea, opinion, thought. So you mean if someone has their own idea but not really help for answering your topic, they don't have right to say?

If the benefits of the campaigns do not matter then why does the merit system bother you? Yeah that's right, because that's all you see in front your eyes. I know this concept might be hard to grasp but BCT was here way before bounty campaigns and this is not it's sole purpose. I know, bounties are nice, almost everybody has participated in one. In fact I am currently participating in one, and hey I'm a newbie. I still think this change was necessary.

If you think about it, new members who participate in bounty campaigns will actually benefit from this. Instead of sharing the rewards with hordes of spammers and people who have multiple accounts, they will be able to gain a larger portion of the rewards given they post meaningful posts.
Will all the spammers disappear? No probably not. Will people find ways to cheat the system? I guess so yes. Still, it makes the life of spammers way harder and will definitely remove alot of garbage from this forum. This system is not perfect, it has it's flaws like the one you mentioned. But if you look at the whole picture this change is for the best.

I hope as the time passes you will be able to see the good effects of this and change your mind. Even if not, take it easy, this is just a forum. And if your income has taken a big it, well, in crypto business you have to be prepared to take big hits. If you can't adapt, this is not the place for you.


Dont say too many. Do you get my point when reading this topic?
I am asking how to treat the cheater? And point out the unfair thing.
I am done with you. read and think before saying.
192  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 10:02:37 PM
The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

Haha, now this guy proving he gave somebody Merit, but not before.
Like oh this guy is posting ok, I will give him a score.
If you give someone score you don't have to say it, and we are not discussing giving merit score to somebody.
What is your intention for telling me that?
And I don't need your score. Stop telling me the baby thing.
After all, rules was made to protect people with positions even i think it's actually worked on the war with spammers... But not with high-rank shitposters.

And at this moment, more people realize the threat of Merit system.

A group of people, friends, teammates, they can spam merit score to each other's post. Their own group or team will gain a lot of Merit score by this kind of cheating.

And now I love to hear what of these above member who believe in Merit system say.
They are so proud of their new system. Don't be so silent.

Hello, all of the above who support this new system, tell me your thought about these Merit cheaters.
I love to hear  Tongue

Bro just stop this, you're mumbling the same thoughts over and over again, we get it, you don't like the merit system, you don't have to make 10+ posts about it, just get over this bro and move on. This was created for the betterment of the forum hence betterment, if you don't like it then leave but if you don't want to leave then learn to adopt.

Haha you are so funny.
DO I have the right to talk?
If I see cheater or robbery or unfair thing, I just let it happen and adopt Huh  ?
If you want to be silent, nobody bother you. Just do it yourself.
I don't ask you to support me, and no one does.
I just want to make a fair thing for every single people. Why shouldn't I speak up?
193  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 09:32:32 PM
The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

Haha, now this guy proving he gave somebody Merit, but not before.
Like oh this guy is posting ok, I will give him a score.
If you give someone score you don't have to say it, and we are not discussing giving merit score to somebody.
What is your intention for telling me that?
And I don't need your score. Stop telling me the baby thing.
After all, rules was made to protect people with positions even i think it's actually worked on the war with spammers... But not with high-rank shitposters.

And at this moment, more people realize the threat of Merit system.

A group of people, friends, teammates, they can spam merit score to each other's post. Their own group or team will gain a lot of Merit score by this kind of cheating.

And now I love to hear what of these above member who believe in Merit system say.
They are so proud of their new system. Don't be so silent.

Hello, all of the above who support this new system, tell me your thought about these Merit cheaters.
I love to hear  Tongue
194  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 08:10:30 PM
The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

Haha, now this guy proving he gave somebody Merit, but not before.
Like oh this guy is posting ok, I will give him a score.
If you give someone score you don't have to say it, and we are not discussing giving merit score to somebody.
What is your intention for telling me that?
And I don't need your score. Stop telling me the baby thing.
195  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 08:05:19 PM

This one I quote from another topic from another person, "I do and i suggest this ideal because i saw too many bitches stay there in the safe zone and tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?"

And one more thing, I suggest already on my topic, make a vote for every member of this forum. Or create a new rank system which Legendary won't sit still and must work to earn that. Are you clear? Or you ignore that part?

This is also a quote from another topic from another person:

bitcoin talk is a forum where you get paid for what you post. It mainly depends on your rank. If you are newbie you will not get paid as you cannot enroll in the campigns. Your pay starts from junior member. You have to enroll in sig campaigns and have to do posts and comment. And you will get paid

Guess what, that person was wrong.

It's the thousands like him that had the same idea and same misconception are probably the ones that force the implementation of  the merit system. And you are one of them.
Nobody is telling you to work your ass off nobody is treating you like a slave or a bitch.. This is not a forced labor camp, you are free to go and you are free to stay.

And to be honest, since I come form a country that had quite the history with these kinds of things...

Quote
tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?

This manifesto scares the shit out of me


Good talk sir. So why would you ranking member then?
Then just erase all member rank and just score merit.
So we all know who has a quality post.
Saying and we know you're from another country which the right to talk is not welcome, just follow the rules???
This is not how we make a free world.
196  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 08:00:07 PM
I don't agree with this system.

You are creating the definition of "Rich people maintain rich, poor people will be poor forever."

Example: if you was in bitcointalk forum a few years ago, you posted a lot of under-quality posts and you earned Legendary Rank, so it is unfair with new people joining this forum now.

And a lot of projects need bitcointalk rank level such as bitsend airdrop (need Legendary rank), so it is much harder if this new system running.

And I lose my faith in this forum. I will still read and post in this forum but not in supporting anymore.

Instead of complaining, offer something better than Merit system what can help to fight with spammers, account farmers and etc. It's always easy to reject someones' ideas when it's not perfect.
In my view, eveything is fair. I think it's something similar with Bitcoin price. You can blame yourself if you didn't bought BTC when it was worth $200 or $500. Same with people who joined Bitcointalk earlier. You are right, man of these people reached high ranks by spamming and making low quality posts. But now some DT members are doing pretty good job by tagging shitposters.
And why someone should really care that you will be not able to participate in Bitsend airdrop and that many new members wont be able to take part in signature campaigns. If you want to benefit from these campaigns, just make high quality posts and you will get more or less Merit points, where is the problem?
I don't know what do you exactly mean that you wont support forum anymore?
I'm a Full Member - can I agree that it's a good system?  Tongue
But you are Legendary... :/

The bitsend airdrop is just an example, for saying all the profit will belong to LEGENDARY.
And no one say about benefit of the campaigns, we are discussing about the unfair system score.
Do you read all member posted here?
And I said once, and I ask you again, Are you sure after this system come out, spam post won't appear?
Talking is our right and why it must be scored?
We are talking our own idea, opinion, thought. So you mean if someone has their own idea but not really help for answering your topic, they don't have right to say?
197  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 07:53:39 PM
I don't agree with this system.
You are creating the definition of "Rich people maintain rich, poor people will be poor forever."
Example: if you was in bitcointalk forum a few years ago, you posted a lot of under-quality posts and you earned Legendary Rank, so it is unfair with new people joining this forum now.

So at first you're accusing the system of not being correct at distributing the "wealth" between members....
Then ..

Don't act like a COMMUNIST country,

...so can you please make your mind what system we should adopt ?

I'm a Full Member - can I agree that it's a good system?  Tongue
I see what you did there  Grin darkstar=lauda=lutpin=theymos

We don't care about shitposters, that's correct.
It's okay , Lauda. I think your life is fulfilled of shits , everything you've said are all about shits. Okay then...

For a newbie account you seem to have taken quite a familiar liking to Lauda.


This one I quote from another topic from another person, "I do and i suggest this ideal because i saw too many bitches stay there in the safe zone and tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?"

And one more thing, I suggest already on my topic, make a vote for every member of this forum. Or create a new rank system which Legendary won't sit still and must work to earn that. Are you clear? Or you ignore that part?
198  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 07:46:15 PM
The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

No one giving merit score here, even you. Did you give anyone higher rank than newbies merit score?
We are discussing the unfair system.
199  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 07:43:51 PM
This is ridiculous. So what if some legendaries and heroes posted shit-posts to get their rank? Who says the world is a fair place, anyway? Why are you even focusing on that? Theymos is aware of that that's why this merit system is created so as to prevent more people leveling up through spamming.  Aren't you glad that the merit system is finally here to make this forum better? Suck it up and contribute quality posts next time. When I was a newbie here, it was so ridiculously hard to look for straight forward answers because there are a lot of spam posts. Now lets just follow rules and move on. Let's hope spammers get their dose of poison through this.

You are ridiculous.
Are you sure next time you make a question and the spam posts won't come out.
Prove it now, this new system is running.
Shitty talk happens anywhere.
You can't avoid that.
And I am saying in this topic is the unfair merit system for Legendary rank.
Are you out of topic?
200  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 07:15:00 PM
Haha, Im at 910 activity and got knocked back to hero for eternity now. Cant say it will bother me too much.
You are literally bothered by it, as shown here:

They should have just reset everyone back to 0 though, that way we wouldnt have any artificial merit.

Legendaries and hero members are at the safe zone now, why would they care about us ?
We don't care about shitposters, that's correct.

The only thing they are willing to care about is their position.
Wrong.

The fact is 99% Hero members and Legendaries feel happy about this merit system even some of them are under-quality posts Smiley.
Obviously. The rank has nothing to do with posting quality (before this new system).

I posted here showing that i missed out on legendary but im not complaining about the merit system yet you throw an attack on me? All i ever see you doing is shit talking other people, sometimes it pays to be polite.

 Im hero as it is, legendary would give me no more advantage over being a hero since if you check my posts i rarely post here anymore and the sig i wear stopped paying out months ago.

Because he is on the happy zone and feeling happy for that.

I am just saying my opinion and let devs think about that.
What would bother them?
Are they afraid of my idea, creating a new higher level so they have to work their ass for it. No one know, except themselves.
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