Setting up a Dwolla account, and sending a payment to another Dwolla user is the same process as Paypal, except your bank account is your only backup funding method, and not a credit card. Using paypal online is easy because you've already went through the setup process. Using a credit card online is easy but only because you've already signed up with your credit card and went through plenty more verifications and procedures than bitcoin needs.
Yes, bitcoin can be a bit difficult to get sometimes, but blame the money in your pocket for that, not bitcoin. You can't easily send cash to someone instantly unless you use a third party and those third parties need your information and time to collect funds, time to send funds, finish the transaction and so on. CCs are easy but only because you already have an account registered.
IF the world ran on bitcoin, exchanges would be faster than ever before. No waiting for funds to be deposited into your bank account, then to your online account, then to pay someone else. No overdrafts, no fees. If I was paid with bitcoins I could send money overseas to family in need within minutes of receiving my paycheck, without having to wait for a bank transfer or an outrageous Western Union fee. You know the advantages...
Furthermore if bitcoin does come to reach further popularity, and some of your family/friends/neighbors had bitcoins, well you could just trade with them. Once we reach that level, exchange won't be a problem. If I could simply step into Walmart and hand them some cash for bitcoins, things would be easy. It's still a long path to get there, though, and the ones who are willing to go through the murky grounds now will reap the benefits later.
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I like the thumbnails as well. Hope this directory stays current cause I'm getting sick of bookmarking every single bitcoin site I run across :p
A quick note, if I don't have my screen maximized (Which I rarely do) the blue on the right collapses inward and cuts off the categories, and I'm unable to scroll right to see them.
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If the site doesn't work properly and the site administrator refuses to answer any questions/emals, shouldn't we consider removing them from the wiki, or at least a post a warning? Doesn't seem like an exchanger I would want newcomers to try, especially since it's first on the list on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade Currency Exchange and states that paypal is accepted.
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I couldn't find a thread about this and I am not the creator, but is anyone using this new extension? It shows the price on the toolbar, while clicking on it will show you Buy/Sell orders, volume, Low/High and Last price, as well as a list of the last transactions. It's real time and is very quick at recording orders. Great extension, and hats off to the creator. I've been waiting for something simple like this! https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mplfonagphbambbggaghimbbhpjhapap?hl=en-US
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From what I've gathered in the past, the statistics come from those who have the Alexa toolbar installed. Not exactly a solid representation but I'd guess in this circumstance it's close to being accurate.
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This thread just shows the problem with people that have NO IDEA how this works coming here just hoping to "get rich quick" through some scheme of sorts they heard about on slashdot etc.
Besides him being misinformed on coin generation, what is the "problem"? Would you rather them NOT be a part of bitcoin? That's why a forum is here, to help out. YOU don't have to help if you don't want, just don't belittle people for not fully understanding.
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Copy, and preferably encrypt, your wallet.dat to another hard drive/usb/cloud/etc
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Right. I meant to say, if you didn't have paypal nor dwolla. And if you can figure out paypal, you can figure out dwolla.
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*make dwolla account *add bank *wait for verification *verify bank *wait to add money *transfer dwolla money to mt gox *use mt gox to get bitcoins
If you were to replace "dwolla" with "paypal" in those steps, what would be the difference? Dwolla has the same steps of adding money to an account as paypal does, unless you use a credit card, which has more steps and more risk in terms of chargebacks.
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And up and up we go
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Nice try to escape ;-)
But you cannot just choose how you define stuffs and say "I simply don't agree, I believe differently". You gave yourself arguments from Dawkins. If you don't agree, you must explain why your position is different and why is Dawkins wrong.
Opinions don't matter. We are not discussing wheter blue is a nice color or not. We are discussing: is the sky blue?
I think you're confused. I agreed with the quote from Dawkins and don't think it's wrong. Escape? Christ, I was just sharing my view on agnosticism not looking for a debate on religion. If that's the case I'm sorry I even brought it up. You win! You win! All hail!
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I have no problem if that's how you feel, however I'm inclined to say that I strongly disagree with your view of agnosticism as an "irrational position", and my definitions on faith are not linear to yours. As to your unicorns, a phrase that I've been using for years that I believe was first thrown around by Dawkins in his writing, is toothfairy agnostic. A friend, an intelligent lapsed Jew who observes the Sabbath for reasons of cultural solidarity, describes himself as a Tooth Fairy Agnostic. He will not call himself an atheist because it is in principle impossible to prove a negative. But "agnostic" on its own might suggest that he though God's existence or non-existence equally likely. In fact, though strictly agnostic about God, he considers God's existence no more probable than the Tooth Fairy's. Bertrand Russell used a hypothetical teapot in orbit about Mars for the same didactic purpose. You have to be agnostic about the teapot, but that doesn't mean you treat the likelihood of its existence as being on all fours with its non-existence. The list of things about which we strictly have to be agnostic doesn't stop at tooth fairies and celestial teapots. It is infinite. If you want to believe in a particular one of them -- teapots, unicorns, or tooth fairies, Thor or Yahweh -- the onus is on you to say why you believe in it. The onus is not on the rest of us to say why we do not. We who are atheists are also a-fairyists, a-teapotists, and a-unicornists, but we don't have to bother saying so. http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/dawkins.htmIf you don't agree with that view, fine, we just define our atheism and agnosticism differently.
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Cool comic, but why did you have to have the punchline/ending as your avatar . Knew what was coming all along.
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Been all over twitter mostly because Tim O'Reilly and his 1,400,000+ followers.
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Ok, well you call it what you wish. As I said, I grew up atheist in a christian family, and know where you're coming from. My point in the first place was to simply say that I don't define agnostic as weak believers, or weak non-believers.
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I'm a Gnu Atheist Skeptic... I don't believe, I weigh probabilities and calculate evidence. There is no room for 'faith' here, only fact, evidence, and hypothesis.
Atheism implies a belief there is no god. Even if the big bang theory is correct, which I think it is, I still can't prove or disprove that a higher power did not set off the initial setting for it to happen, and there's no evidence for or against that conclusion, which leads to my decision of calling myself agnostic. I grew up atheist, I just feel the label can sometimes imply too much FAITH in there being no god whatsoever, the christian god or otherwise.
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I refuse to consider agnostic "weak believers". If anything, I consider agnosticism the true non-belief of faith in general. Atheists and theists are both believers in different faiths and sometimes they both can be just as radical. It's easier, and more true, to admit that I just don't know, however that doesn't mean that I agree with any notion of religion or how it's used to manipulate the people.
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Currency backed by gold, not an illusion. Currency backed by oil, not an illusion.
Is the value of gold not an illusion? Is the value of oil not an illusion? Any value is an illusion. As long as that value can be applied long term, stored, and is limited in supply, it just makes the process of creating a price easier
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Because the current value of a BitCoin is an illusion, but not if we all buy into it...
Every currency value is an illusion until the people buy into it...what exactly is your point?
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Ill be taking a bitcent for every 10 BTC you deposit, and I'll take a bitnickel if you try to smartass your way out of it.
Not even opened yet and already sounds like a banker. Well at least my bank tries to make me feel all warm and fuzzy before they let me know they're taking money out of my pocket. You sure are a class act.
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