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181  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price can only rise, here's why on: August 21, 2014, 03:06:04 PM

There used to be demand for gold, it used to be the universal currency and some national currencies are still linked with gold (so most people don't even need to own actual gold). The US disconnected the dollar form gold since Nixion was president and that is the only reason it seems like there is no demand for it, but let's be honest here bitcoin doesn't come anywhere close at the moment, even though bitcoin works much better as a currency.

If scarcity is the main factor that gives value why are 90% of alt/shitcoins completely worthless?  Just because there is a supply cap doesn't mean people will jump hoops to get it.

In the world of cryptocurrency, the one with the first mover advantage is the be all end all. All other altcoins that comes after the first one will basically have to be based on the first one, even though and no matter it has better features or not. The way cryptocurrencies work or even exist in the first place is because of Bitcoin. So Bitcoin can't ever die, just like Internet can't ever die. It's a protocol. There may be an Internet 2.0 if there needs be and in the same way there will be a Bitcoin 2.0 if there needs be but it won't ever disappear.
182  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price can only rise, here's why on: August 21, 2014, 02:40:17 PM

There is demand from you and me, but not the general public

there's no demand for gold from the general public either. How many percent of the world populations owns gold? Yet gold prices have risen and are at an ATH. And gold's true intrinsic value isn't even close to the perceived market price, but that didn't stop it from demanding the current price it is now innit. Scarcity is what gave gold its value. Bitcoin has that same element and it's knowingly finite. That's all you need to make something valuable. coupled with fungibility and liquidity of course.
183  Economy / Speculation / Re: what should I do, I invested a lot on: August 21, 2014, 02:29:33 PM
i got plenty LTC - not worried - not in any need to buy or sell

we will see a new ATH - the ONLY question is when...

Today is a good day to sell LTC all out and never look back again.

Fundamentally speaking, LTC future won't be any different than today or a month ago.


Why? You can say the same about BTC then?


I got plenty of LTC, bought more at ~$4... not worried at all


same could be said for owners of bitcoin when they bought them at $5. or $12. or $48. or $120. or $266. or $330. or even $450.
184  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price can only rise, here's why on: August 21, 2014, 02:19:00 PM
All that means absolutely nothing if there is no demand. People need to use bitcoin, and want to purchase bitcoin, and right now we are just a niche in the grand scheme. Bitcoin is not all that convenient and simple to work with at the moment, it will take some time or end up as a failed experiment.

Are you saying there's no demand for bitcoin? If you, or anyone here wishes to get rid of their bitcoins, I'll gladly take them. At no charge Wink
 
185  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoin price can only rise, here's why on: August 21, 2014, 01:42:33 PM
Because the number of bitcoins that can ever be created is limited, because the cost of mining bitcoins will keep getting higher and higher as it gets more difficult to mine, because less and less bitcoins will be mined the more there are mined, because awareness and adoption and infrastructure can only grow, because more people are going to want bitcoins, and because fiat is inflationary,  the value of bitcoins will and can only rise. Bitcoin has the law of mathematics backing it, the only certain law that governs the universe.
186  Economy / Speculation / Re: what should I do, I invested a lot on: August 21, 2014, 10:41:50 AM

 I will not say more, I’m feeling worse with more words, I don’t know whether to sell or hold for a long time, in a word, I'm waiting for a chance...


You could wait till btc rises then litecoin may follow suit, or it may not. But if btc rises then you would've missed the btc boat if you haven't bought into btc when the price is low. It's hard but it's better to offload any altcoins you have and just get into btc solely.
187  Economy / Speculation / Re: what should I do, I invested a lot on: August 21, 2014, 09:15:14 AM
by the way, I am 28 yo I am not rich and I invested a lot of my savings, especially I bought a lot of LITECOIN....f**k  Cry Cry

Why Litecoin? You should have focused on Bitcoin, Litecoin is a clone with no added value to the original.
Cry Cry  I bought before, but unexpectedly it continued to depreciate, I was reluctant to sell at a low price, now I have about 1000 litecoins.


You should sell your litecoins now it's actually overvalued at the moment. How much did you buy your ltcs at btw?
188  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy now or not? on: August 20, 2014, 03:41:37 PM
I BOUGHT 1BTC via Western Union (even though i said i wasn't going to lol), but i sent it to a mobile wallet so it is quicker than the bloody cash pick up  and the payment wasn't declined this time Grin I bought it for £330 ($549). now i'm thinking if i should buy another btc? (i've currently got 1.66btc in my wallet)  Cheesy

No one can answer that but yourself. If you're thinking long term, then I can surely say that prices in the future in terms of years will be much, much higher than today
189  Economy / Speculation / Re: Don't reply to threads about the fall or crash of Bitcoin etc... on: August 20, 2014, 03:32:48 PM
You just always have to remember, BTC can go UP just as fast as it went down!!

That's just looking at the short term. To me, just like the discovery of gold, once the first ever cryptocurrency is created, everthing else that follows, will be based on that very first one. Gold, once discovered will forever be gold, nothing can replace it. In the same way, Bitcoin, once conceived will forever be Bictoin, nothing can replace it
190  Economy / Speculation / Re: A bullish opinion for people who panic when the price is dropping on: August 20, 2014, 03:15:00 PM
I'm planning to hold my bitcoins for at least 20 years. Really, the price now has zero concern for me. I'm just monitoring the fluctuation to try to get in at the bottom whenever I can to get as many bitcoins as I'm able to. Cos in 20 years time I know I would've killed to get my bitcoins at today's prices
20 years? Not smart. In 2040 or so we are getting AI. Guess where that leaves you and your coins?

Pray tell, sir, what has AI got to do with Bitcoin or anything for that matter?
191  Economy / Speculation / Don't reply to threads about the fall or crash of Bitcoin etc... on: August 20, 2014, 03:12:50 PM
There seems to be a lot of new threads lately popping up  speaking of the crash and doom of Bitcoin, presumably by the same person under different names. I suggest forumers here pay no heed to these threads, not even bothering to replying them cause that will ultimately fulfill their goals: to get noticed. Read what it's all about, have a chuckle, ignore and move on.

Those older members and those who understands what Bitcoin really is, know better to even read what these attention seeking doomsday trolls write let alone contemplating and being convinced of but I urge also those here who just heard about Bitcoin and are interested to know more but are still unsure to realize that these trolls are just trying to get their kicks by spreading negativity about Bitcoin.

I created this thread with all my sincerity to help those who are new here to simply understand that Bitcoin is not something like a fad that will just be gone overnight. Bitcoin is indeed a revolution to those who truly understand it. Bitcoin may perhaps be one of the most important milestone in modern human history as we know it but because it is a product of a digital world and not a physical thing in our analog, physical world, it may perhaps be a bit difficult for those unable to grasp the technicality of it to understand the revolutionary elements of Bitcoin.

Bottom line is, Bitcoin won't die, it's not a fad, it's not some kind of ponzi scheme though how ever can Bitcoin be accused of something to be like a ponzi scheme is truly beyond me, for it simply makes no sense, absolutely no literal sense at all. Like saying money is a ponzi scheme, what?

192  Economy / Speculation / Re: Total collapse of the bitcoin system. on: August 20, 2014, 02:40:06 PM
OP, I think it's for the better that you got out of Bitcoin. One doesn't go into something one knows nothing about. But please stop spouting nonsense.
193  Economy / Speculation / Re: A bullish opinion for people who panic when the price is dropping on: August 20, 2014, 02:30:35 PM
I'm planning to hold my bitcoins for at least 20 years. Really, the price now has zero concern for me. I'm just monitoring the fluctuation to try to get in at the bottom whenever I can to get as many bitcoins as I'm able to. Cos in 20 years time I know I would've killed to get my bitcoins at today's prices
194  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy now or not? on: August 20, 2014, 02:23:04 PM
The price is pushing pretty hard on that $495 resistance and it's holding pretty well. We may have one more crash, but the market seems to be preparing for a rally.

EDIT: We broke $495. I'll be curious to see if the price can hold at that level.

It might fluctuate here and there now and then, but it's gradually rising. actual production cost its about $550 per bitcoin, so anything below $500, it's an automatic bargain
195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy now and howl for better price? on: August 20, 2014, 02:18:54 PM
yes. prices will fluctuate but if you're not looking to sell anytime soon or intend to hold, then definitely, practically yes
196  Economy / Speculation / Re: what should I do, I invested a lot on: August 20, 2014, 02:13:28 PM
i got so enthusiastic about bitcoin ...
(...)

i think you made the right decision.

Thanks for sharing. Honestly I feel bad for taking your story to reinforce my belief that the value of bitcoin will ultimately rise because it's simple mathematics really, the less things are getting made the more valuable they become. Hope you didn't panic sell all your bitcoins and held some until end of 2013, you've made almost 10x profits

don't worry, i held almost all my stash. and yes, i WOULD have made 10x profits if i would have sold on top. hodlers hodl i guess...

edit: typo

I'm really glad you did. Sometimes we can get sucked in into all the negativity surrounding Bitcoin (no thanks to the forever bears) especially to those who are new into Bitcoin that it helps to know how things were back then and by keeping the faith it all comes out better than we can possibly imagine
197  Economy / Speculation / Re: i bought almost 1btc.. at 475$ on: August 20, 2014, 01:58:35 PM
How long do you plan to hold onto it? cos if you only bought 1 btc, now, and later, when the price rise to say, $1000, are you going to sell it? keep buying more? hold onto it some more? just curious about your thoughts right now, cos I was like you, ecstatic when I bought my first coin
198  Economy / Speculation / Re: 3 years ago...let's reminisce on: August 20, 2014, 07:46:43 AM
This newbie enjoyed the stories guys/girls. Best read so far on this forum for me +1

Those times will be recorded in history

These stories would be the stuff of legends a few years down. So glad I'm going to be part of it and have my own stories to tell other wide eyed newbies in a few years time.

"Look guys we been through this before. Just buy and hold. $5000 a bitcoin is a steal right now"

I so look forward to saying that in the near future Wink
199  Economy / Speculation / Re: any reason for the prices going up today ? on: August 20, 2014, 07:38:51 AM
the reason? the resilience of bitcoin. at $300 practically all miners would need to shut down because they are only generating losses.
200  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy now or not? on: August 20, 2014, 07:28:38 AM
Satoshi Nakamoto said on Feb. 21, 2010 and I quote:

"In the absence of a market to establish the price (of bitcoin, estimates) based on production cost is a good guess and a helpful service (thanks). The price of any commodity tends to gravitate toward the production cost. If the price is below cost, then production slows down. If the price is above cost, profit can be made by generating and selling more."

the current levels are still undervalue for the actual production cost of bitcoin, so definitely it's a better time to buy at these levels.
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