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181  Other / Politics & Society / Re: greed is good? on: August 16, 2011, 08:39:11 AM
Maybe "greed" is the wrong word.  Humans are by their very nature, self-interested.
Don't mix greed with the instinct the survive. Greed is a gluttonous desire to possess or consume more than one needs, despite the consequences.

Seems rather subjective.  Do I need a TV?  I own one, so does that make me greedy?  What about a computer?
182  Other / Politics & Society / Re: greed is good? on: August 16, 2011, 08:14:04 AM
Maybe "greed" is the wrong word.  Humans are by their very nature, self-interested.  This is a fact and must be treated as such.  Instead of trying to change human nature, and failing, learn how to use self-interest for the maximum benefit of society.  Greed is a personal issue which will hurt yourself more than it hurts others as long as you are not using coercion to satisfy it.  I believe that being generous is beneficial for humans, and therefore it is still in your self-interest.
183  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The price of gas is still 20 cents, in 90% silver dimes. on: August 16, 2011, 08:06:14 AM

Stuff like that is misleading.  There is FAR FAR more to the monetary control debate than "zomg the dollar is worth only a fraction of what it was!!!"  Charts like that designed to get an emotional reaction out of people that don't think.  Without even getting into details, just consider for a second that in 1900 people worked for pennies an hour.  So, yes, the dollar was worth more, but that's only a tiny part of the story.  You can't just look at relative value of a dollar and ignore all other factors.

I understand that it is a complex issue and that wages were lower in the 1900s than they are now, but the decline in the purchasing power of the dollar still means something.  I want to learn more about the complex issues and discuss them with people.  I'm willing to discuss them with you if you are interested. 

The best place to start is to ask yourself... lost purchasing power against what?  Who decided where to set the $1 baseline on that chart and what are they using to consider how value has fluctuated?  It seems like they've used gold (no surprise there).  Is a speculative metal like gold the best thing to use to determine relative purchasing power of the dollar?  Why not use eggs, milk, iron, corn, sheep, oil, etc.?

Absolutely.  But I haven't heard anyone argue that the US dollar has lost value versus things in general, are you saying it hasn't?  Here is how much a 1774 dollar was worth in 1913 based on multiple indicators (CPI, value of consumer bundle, nominal GDP per capita, etc.) and here is how much a 1913 dollar is worth in 2009.  Finally, here is how muach a 1971 dollar is worth in 2009.

So you would agree that the US dollar has lost value, right?

A loaf of bread cost $0.05 1930 and it costs $3.00 today, but is that the whole story?  $0.05 was a couple hours' wage back in 1930.  $3.00 is less than half of minimum hourly wage today.  So yea, you could purchase a nice car for $2,500 back in the day, but that was a year's salary for many people.  So were people really better off when the dollar's purchasing power was higher?  Obviously a good bit of that chart is exaggeration and hyperbole, because the average American wasn't exactly rolling in wealth when the dollar was at its supposed peak.


The dollar's purchasing power is entirely relative.  If real wages increase at the same rate the dollar declines in value, then the decline isn't really a big deal - stuff costs more, but everyone makes more. If real wages increase at a slower rate than the dollar declines (or decline themselves), then we've got issues.  Obviously that's only the tip of the iceberg (foreign trade really messes everything up), but it's a good place to start to decide whether the decline is of concern or not.

The problem with a decline in purchasing power is that it hurts people who are saving and discourages it.  Wages will adjust to inflation, but they don't adjust right away, so the middle and lower classes are hurt by this kind of monetary policy.

184  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The price of gas is still 20 cents, in 90% silver dimes. on: August 09, 2011, 09:18:39 PM

Stuff like that is misleading.  There is FAR FAR more to the monetary control debate than "zomg the dollar is worth only a fraction of what it was!!!"  Charts like that designed to get an emotional reaction out of people that don't think.  Without even getting into details, just consider for a second that in 1900 people worked for pennies an hour.  So, yes, the dollar was worth more, but that's only a tiny part of the story.  You can't just look at relative value of a dollar and ignore all other factors.

I understand that it is a complex issue and that wages were lower in the 1900s than they are now, but the decline in the purchasing power of the dollar still means something.  I want to learn more about the complex issues and discuss them with people.  I'm willing to discuss them with you if you are interested. 
185  Economy / Economics / Re: So I met a guy who makes Algorithmic Trading Programs for High Frequency Trading on: August 09, 2011, 08:58:36 AM
Second, the free market works because of the price signals represent the real choices of the people. When you distort those signals the outcome is not a free market outcome, even when apparently were done "freely" by someone.
According to your own logic, free market can never happen because "freedom" gives ability to distort signal those signals ( for example speculation in general or HFT in particular )  or many more .

Its a constant in history that when a inflationary period starts it develops a financial boom and fostering reckless speculation. The financial system in the western countries is completely out of control and hypertrofiated, and that is thanks to the progressive policies. You would not be seeing the crazyness or inequalities you see around in a free market.
As you pointed out free market can never happen.

I have already said that I dont have anything against HFT and the problems I see. I dont believe what the op is saying and he has demonstrated quite a few time that he has not much idea about economics and likes to go over the top. I know someone dedicated to HFT and he is not doing by far that kind of money. It could be that it just happens that the guy I know is very bad at his job I guess.
Still my question has not been answered

How freedom to trade with whatever techniques you want is not a "free market" policy ?


I've challenged this person to define "Free Market" many times.  He never does it.  Yet, I've just challenged him again to it, let's hope he's up for it this time; yet I sense he won't be.  Just like Hayek, Freidman, Hazlitt and others never define it.  Because if they did one would realize that it doesn't exist or has no tangible meaning.  It is a blast of rhetorical hot air that politicians, economists and other vested interests use to dupe a populace into trusting "the market" (a body dominated by the largest fish composed of massive power players, cartels and monopolies) over the population.  If you put it in those terms then obviously nobody would sign up for it.


The concept of the "free market" is very well defined.  Rothbard defines it here, the wikipedia definition is clear and accurate, Mises talks extensively about what markets are and what the "free" market is in Human Action, and I would simply define it as the sum of all voluntary trades and exchanges between individuals and privately owned companies.
186  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Did you read this!?!??! on: August 09, 2011, 07:44:51 AM
LOL
187  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Did you read this!?!??! on: August 09, 2011, 04:55:25 AM
Yeah, this is the sawm guy that had another article saying essentially bitcoin wont succeed because they have no intrinsic value, that was a poor article.

This article is even worse in quality, essentially he says bitcoin is going down....for good, and doesn't even give any reasons why, never mind that he doesn't mention any of the reasons for the drops over the last month either.

Poor journalism, just ignore.

Agreed.  Hey Nefario, I read an article about you getting turned away by American custom agents.  Good times?  Wink
188  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The price of gas is still 20 cents, in 90% silver dimes. on: August 09, 2011, 02:15:22 AM
Certainly gold and silver prices fluctuate versus currencies and commodities just like everything else on the market.  The argument against fiat is that having a currency pegged to gold and silver makes your currency much more stable and decentralizes the control of the currency.  Fiat currencies are controlled by the central bank which can inflate at will ruining your savings and destroying the purchasing power of the dollar. 

For example, here is a chart of the purchasing power of the US dollar from 1792-2011.  Note the dotted lines where we went off "hard currency".



http://www.wealthwire.com/news/inflation/773
189  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Using Gold and Silver = Economic Terrorism (According to CNBC) on: August 09, 2011, 01:23:51 AM
Ha ha, yeah this is pretty interesting stuff.  I used to live in Malaysia.
190  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Let's say that sovereign power was divided at a city level... on: August 09, 2011, 01:10:21 AM
Let's say sovereign power was divided up at a city level. Every city became its own country and there was no higher power than said city. The laws were determined by whatever means and if you didn't like them an countless selection of cities could be chosen from.

Wouldn't this be ideal? Wouldn't this enable improvement by enabling true competition-by-choice on a political level?

Now, some are going to say it would scary to go from city-to-city because of highly diverse sets of laws. Well, if it becomes too much an inconvenience, don't you think the natural desire will be to ease such a scenario? As individuals, we adapt to social norms and I am sure the electing populaces will meet in the middle on issues as well -- but still be different enough to retain their sovereign power.

Cities could merge, secede and so forth but c'est la vie. To limit such things is only a hinderance to the competitive process. To claim that one would eventually control them all is just as inane as saying somebody will eventually rule the entire Bitcoin network. Each of these states would eventually gather enough force to hold their own.

I am essentially advocating an entirely decentralized network of sovereign powers.

Do you think it would work? How would we achieve this?

This is essentially the idea behind Seasteading:  http://seasteading.org/ 
191  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Did you read this!?!??! on: August 08, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
This is the standard procedure from the mainstream media.  They have been decrying the end of bitcoins for some time now.  The irrational fear and hatred of bitcoins is astounding, everyone in the mainstream wants to see it fail.  We'll see who has the last laugh.
192  Economy / Economics / Re: Recession Imminent on: August 06, 2011, 08:38:10 PM
look what inflationary Fed policies have done to the Middle East.  soaring costs of food and financial inequities are what drove the revolutions in these countries IMO.  i followed the Egyptian revolt realtime via Twitter and AlJazeera and there is no question in my mind these were the tenets behind the younger generations revolt. 

central banks cannot continue on the same path of monetizing debt.  the markets are screaming for a correction via deflation.

So what's the best way to prepare for deflation?  I have small amounts of silver as a hedge against the dollar because QE1 and QE2 made me think the dollar was going to decline significantly in the near future.  If the Fed contracts the money supply though that will drive up the dollar and probably have the inverse effect on PMs? 
193  Economy / Economics / Re: Is this The Great Bitcoin Crash? on: August 06, 2011, 02:36:27 AM
Same old, same old.  Read and learn some before panicking about bitcoin crashing.  Or perhaps just look at charts of bitcoin history.
194  Economy / Economics / Re: Most Bitcoin speculators are at the 'denial' stage of the crash on: August 06, 2011, 02:34:11 AM
What is low? and what is high?
They are relative to each other. As long as you sell for less than you bought for, you're doing it right.


Uh....this doesn't sound quite right.  Try again.   Wink
195  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Maximum role of Government? on: August 05, 2011, 09:03:19 PM
Why do regulations tend to go so far beyond what is really necessary, and how do we mitigate that?  I'm not sure what country you live in, but here in the US the culture of work place safety is ridiculous.  It creates horrible inefficiencies and attitudes of snitching.  Do I really need a safety harness and rope if I'm on a ladder farther than six feet off the ground, and does Joe really need to report me to OSHA?

you start with a functional system.

the US culture of an illusion of workplace safety is ridiculous and i agree.  too much focus is placed on trivial crap, deflecting attention from actual gaping holes in the regulations e.g. no double belting (having two ropes so one is always attached while you're moving the other one to a new attachment point) requirement at extreme heights such as radio towers or wind turbines.

i'm not sure whether your last sentence is being serious or not, but OSHA regs do not require that.  fall protection is not required unless you're above 25 feet.


Fall protection is required if it's above 6 feet.  This does not necessarily mean you need a harness to go above six feet, so I was exaggerating a little.   

http://www.osha.gov/doc/outreachtraining/htmlfiles/subpartm.html
196  Economy / Economics / Re: Does economic freedom make a country better? on: August 05, 2011, 05:59:13 PM
Socialism is good.  Regulation is great.  The reason the U.S. is in a mess is due to the Futures and Commodities Modernization Act of 2000 creating a completely unregulated derivatives, CDO, CDS, and MBS market, which catalyzed the real estate boom and allowed lots of stupid banks to loan to greedy Americans to buy homes that were two sizes too large for their budget.  The deleveraging of this mess is what's caused the situation we're in now.  If we had regulations in place requiring more disclosure of information or restrictions on the scope of a collateralized debt obligation and mortgage-backed security, this whole situation wouldn't have occurred.

For more information youtube Khan Academy, as I'm too lazy to explain in detail basic economics to clueless fifth grade-level tea partiers here.

Tchau

Yet another poster, who, lacking the ability to make logical arguments, resorts to baseless ad hominem attacks.  If you actually bother to engage in discussion with people on this forum you'll find there are very few tea party members.  There are, however, quite a few arrogant assholes, like you.
197  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are you willing to pay more taxes to pay down the national debt? on: August 03, 2011, 05:22:01 PM
I'd much rather see more money printed to pay down the national debt than to pay it down myself.

me too.  That would cause inflation and make my own debt less significant.

Fire up those printing presses.

Doesn't that depend on what type of debt you have?  Aren't some variable interest rates which means they can increase your interest rate to take into account inflation?
198  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's with the whole SuperCongress thing? on: August 03, 2011, 08:53:25 AM
Except stuff coming down from the Supercongress can't be discussed, amended, filibustered ect.  That and the President is the 13th member?  Serious?  Lol

President
Head of the UN Security Council - Against the Constitution
Nobel Peace Prize Recepient(Really?  LOL) - A complete joke inserted for humor value
Council of Governors(created and picked by Obama) - Subverts Government Departments and indivual States Rights
Head of the Super Congress(created and picked by Obama) - Subverts Constitutional Legislative Rights

Dictator anyone?




They are all owned by the same rich people.

Yep.  So how do we get the government back from them?     (Trick question  Smiley )
199  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Maximum role of Government? on: August 03, 2011, 08:51:51 AM
I'm saying that a company isn't allowed to take risks for you. Foreseeable risks should be mitigated by the company.
When those risks have been mitigated but risk still remains, as it always does, the company sets a salary that they believe will attract workers. People then use their personal liberty to choose if that reward is enough for them to take the job with the risk that follows.

Not once did you mention the word 'regulation', as indeed, it's not needed. By George, I think he's got it.
What regulation does is raise the minimum standard. Companies are allowed and encouraged to go above the minimum standard, but not below. Yes it's needed.
I have nothing against market solution to problems, but believing it's the one and all solution to all problems is naive to the point of stupidity.

Why do regulations tend to go so far beyond what is really necessary, and how do we mitigate that?  I'm not sure what country you live in, but here in the US the culture of work place safety is ridiculous.  It creates horrible inefficiencies and attitudes of snitching.  Do I really need a safety harness and rope if I'm on a ladder farther than six feet off the ground, and does Joe really need to report me to OSHA?
200  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Debt Deal Reached on: August 03, 2011, 08:48:29 AM
On the topic of this thread:  Darn.  :\  I was hoping they'd run out of money so they would HAVE to start cutting out all the crap that we don't need the government running/giving away.

You knew it wasn't going to happen.  It's all a giant game of chicken.  Sad   Gary North has some great insight on this:  http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1013.html
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