Smoovious - Can you elaborate on this? What are these actions that were initiated with the sole purpose to harm GBLSE?
I presume he means Goat's attempt to get Nefario a scammer tag and most likely private events associated with that. For example, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Goat threatened to pursue getting Nefario a scammer tag before that to try to extort a better settlement on the fake GLBSE stock from Nefario. However, it really does seem to me that Nefario failed to consider the collateral damage to GLBSE customers when he responded by delisting all of Goat's assets immediately and implementing a claim code scheme that appears to have been hastily contrived by a dim third grader. Joel, thank you. This sounds like speculation, I have read a few bits around this too. This is why we need an official statement from Nefario of GBLSE. Then after that is released (because he took these actions that affected his customers), we should have an official response from Goat so we can figure out what is going on here. Both statements should be locked so they can stay official and they should be concise and not filled with anything that can not be backed up my hard evidence. No personal attacks. |
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Smoovious - I can't say zero reasons. When a client/customer initiates actions for the sole purpose of causing harm to your business, you have every right to refuse service from that point on.
Smoovious - Can you elaborate on this? What are these actions that were initiated with the sole purpose to harm GBLSE?
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@ MPOE-PR - To be fair, you are another exchange operator so you do have a slight bias in this matter. You are also bringing up another issue that isn't in this current topic. We are dealing with GBLSE's responsibilty to its Asset Issuers and Holders and what actions we can expect in the future and in this situation. We have an action that looks to be personally motivated and not something clearly against any TOS agreement other than the operator has said they can take any unilateral action they want which is quite MATERIAL if you are going to trade or issue through the platform.
What I am still waiting on is the official statement on why these actions were taken in such a manner without prior notice to the asset holders which have been just as affected if not more so because of the elimination on any real liquidity on such a large issue bond.
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I would be interested if I could get a more reasonable pricing structure in my opinion. I understand how the physical market works on these things. Your pricing is still out of line even for such a rare material.
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I mean, seriously... OMFG!!! WHAT DO I DO IF SOMEONE USES A CODE TWICE!!? Figure it out... you don't have mommy around here to save you.
It's all about what kind of establishment GLBSE is. Some of us have experience in developing and running similar services and can extrapolate from details we notice. Do you suggest I stay with this particular company after they have demonstrated incompetence in such a minor issue? It's of no consequence whether I can figure it out. Why do you think they didn't figure it out, instead of me? What do I pay them for? I was also considering buying a big chunk of GLBSE and now I'm not. These are very practical matters that one may need to figure out. You know, we don't have a mommy around and all that. Please pay more attention to differentiating the important issues from the trolling, both of which is going on in the same thread. Yes, this is my concern as well. This is the only issue. The reason we are talking about Goat is because he has been affected by this unilateral decision and we need a official explanation for why this happened. |
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The pedophile Mircea Popescu comes in every thread trowing garbage around. I will do the same for him. The difference is that, all I say about him is true.
So this is more about revenge on Mircea Popescu than actually adding to this discussion? Carry-on I guess??? I just hope you realize we have a real important issue here with one of our exchanges and a large bond issuer and investors need to understand what the rules to this game are so we don't take on more risk that we calculated in the first place minus any Force majeure. I agree with you, but the fact that Mircea Popescu is a pedophile running a porno website on the same domain as a bitcoin exchange is a big liability. Can you please provide proof he or she (don't know) is a pedophile? Do you have their rap-sheet or something? I did not know what was the case. That is a big liability and it should be remedied immediately. Thank you for giving me some context. I have seen this claim a few times but it was always in debates so I did not know the back-story. Proof would be good to settle the matter or please refrain. |
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Smoovious - What is your angle? You are really vocal on this issue and really going after Goat. Do you have a large exposure on GBLSE that this conversation is affect its value because customers of this exchange are vocalizing their dis-satisfaction with the policies and actions in a public forum? Nah, I don't have a large exposure anywhere. My BTC wealth isn't large enough to even be considered "meager" with the low hashrate I have, but that also means, that I can't just simply write things off as easily as others that do have large exposures. I had more exposure with the pirate fiasco that I ended up getting hurt on a lot, but you didn't see me going off half-cocked about it. I rolled the dice, I lost, so be it. I just hate all this fake controversy BS. People spouting out stuff as if they know what the F they're talking about when they don't, and don't even know enough to recognize that they don't know. This escalation to make a big public spectacle of the whole thing, originated with Goat, from everything I understand, and after seeing his behavior over other issues, like a MtGox one a while back, he just isn't stable. The only thing to gain by escalating it with this tantrum of his has the only purpose of trying to bring down GLBSE and Nefario. Any honest disagreement they had has been lost a long time ago by now. It just sickens me that supposedly intelligent people keep acting this way without the apparent ability to apply reason and logic. I mean, seriously... OMGF!!! WHAT DO I DO IF SOMEONE USES A CODE TWICE!!? Figure it out... you don't have mommy around here to save you. WHAT IF THE LIST ISN'T ACCURATE!!!... well, when you actually have some evidence of it not being accurate, then you have something to discuss, which can be verified by Nefario's last records if there is a dispute, but if yer not even going to bother trying to match the claim ID's to the asset-holders who present them, you don't have a leg to stand on. Any failure is on your shoulders if you can't be bothered to try to make good with your asset-holders. BUT NEFARIO IS HOLDING MY BTC SO I CAN'T PAY ANYBODY!!!... the sooner you give him a BTC addy to send your balance to, the sooner you have them. this is a problem of your own making, man up, shut the F up, and give him an address to send your coin to, the only one preventing it is Goat himself. Come on! Are the rest of you really so damned stupid that you keep falling for all of the BS that keeps getting posted? Are so many of you honestly so incapable of spotting BS and calling people on it when you see it? Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK people... Grow up. -- Smoov Yes, Goat is an attention getter on this forum (they all have some), but I actually think we have some facts that has not come to light yet that Goat has hinted at and with Nefario's actions and lack of an official statement, he might actually be right even if you don't like the guy or his business practices. We need clarification on this issue, if Goat can be treated like this, others might be as well. It really seems like with the Pirate scam and these "fake" assets with promises made, this action was not actually by policy but something more and we have a right to know what these hidden polices are or atleast to know there are policies we will NOT know about and this can happen if YOUR asset issuers is an ASSHAT on these forums or too Nefario directly. |
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Dividends: 5.9267865 GIPPT 2012-09-25 04:18:42 I hold 51 shares of GIPPT, so 5.9267865/51 = 0.1162115 BTC/share as dividend. Also I'm back in action and WTF was going on here - just left for (not even) 2 months and suddenly pirate defaults, mining breaks through 3 million diff, BTC is worth over 12 USD, people bitch about GLBSE more than ever and so on...  Yeah, a lot has happened. Welcome back. It seems like tons of drama, but in the end, it will be a good thing. People are learning hard-learned lessons and basic financial concepts that will help them in the long-run. |
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The pedophile Mircea Popescu comes in every thread trowing garbage around. I will do the same for him. The difference is that, all I say about him is true.
So this is more about revenge on Mircea Popescu than actually adding to this discussion? Carry-on I guess??? I just hope you realize we have a real important issue here with one of our exchanges and a large bond issuer and investors need to understand what the rules to this game are so we don't take on more risk that we calculated in the first place minus any Force majeure. |
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Bearer bonds have higher risks than listed securities,
Sadly you're not talking to people who understand what those words mean. A pedophile like Mircea Popescu, knows everything about anything. Why do we keep resulting to personal character assassinations? I get, you don't agree with their personal decisions, I don't either. We should stick to the topic at hand and YOU should make another thread in "Off-topic" to discuss that users personal choices. Smoovious - What is your angle? You are really vocal on this issue and really going after Goat. Do you have a large exposure on GBLSE that this conversation is affect its value because customers of this exchange are vocalizing their dis-satisfaction with the policies and actions in a public forum? Nefario - Will you please release your official statement on why Goat is a liability to "your" exchange? We need to put this issue to rest because at this point, it looks like you did this because of a PERSONAL issue with Goat and not because he violated your TOS. Your silence on this issue really makes people start to think that Maybe Goat has a point regardless if you like him as a person and a user on this forum. Kindly, D |
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Why do you keep opening up GLBSE to such liability and bad publicity?
Not in my eyes. Actually this raises credibility of GLBSE. Failure to meet obligations of SE can lead to delisting. SE is private held and its private relationship. SE has right to end relationship anytime (when there are justifiable reasons). Good luck nefario! I read through your posts. You are user from a different account. Your knowledge is well above a user with 26 post. I call puppet. |
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My obligation was with GLBSE. What happens if I pay back 50% and then GLBSE relists my assets like nothing happened? Then I'm really screwed as I owe them all again...
Why would glbse relist your assets ? Wasn't your obligation to your asset holders not GLBSE? What about GLBSE's Nefario's obligation, theyhe acts as the middle man, an asset issuer can't even get any data about who holds the asset. Apparently GLBSENefario gets to fuck the issuers, then fuck the shareholders all while sitting in the middle with no liability, here's your secret code list, everything is all roses now. If GLBSENefario is going to act like this, then theyhe need to get out from the middle of the shareholder-asset issuer relationship. The asset issuer needs to know the usernames, withdraw addresses, number of shares owned of the shareholders. Otherwise GLBSENefario DOES HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE SHAREHOLDERS AND THE ISSUERS. One that is greater then, oh well weI quit, here's your secret code list. The real risk is created when he exercises his complete authority with the appearance of whim or perfidy. The fact that he singles out individuals for delisting/freezing/etc. based on various "legal" reasons exposes him to liability for all the other scams traded on his exchange. By policing a few, he must police them all. In addition, by acting arbitrarily, he exposes himself to accusations of wrongful conduct as his actions injure various parties. Nefario has already admitted that he has permitted illicit activity up to this point and is only remediating his profitable criminal complicity at this time in order to gain government recognition as a trading entity. The smartest move at this point would be to close GLBSE completely, responsibly settle accounts, and then establish a new exchange with stricter controls necessary for compliance. However, he is in a situation where he wants to eat his cake and have it as well. This will cause difficulty. Nefario - I would read this one a couple times. You really can't run an exchange like your own sandbox. You have an obligation to all parties involved regardless of what you TOS says in principle. You are scaring customers from your exchange. Now they are worried their asset issuers will piss you off and then BAM!, gone. |
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I'm sure Nefario will be reasonable and work something out once he cools down. He is just upset I would not trade him the "Fake" GLBSE assets. He is just upset and power tripping right now.
Rubbish, your a complete liability to do business with. Can you explain how he is a liability? It seems like each time he mentions these "fake" assets that were going to be honored and now they will not, you mention liability. I work in sales and deal with difficult people all the time but I still deal with them. |
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Lifetime membership here I come.
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Read up on LLoyds of London - I have a history book on their company and before it was a self-regulated marine insurance collective run out of coffee houses and a couple pubs. If we could actually vet some members that could really make good on claims, that model would work in the Bitcoin world.
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I will sell you 4.47 BTC for $58.00
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You guys don't understand inflation, okay. You can't just go by one single item to calculate a consumer price index. You see, you've got to use item replacement because as tomato soup gets more expensive, people will switch to something else, like a boiling pot of cherry Kool-aid, which only costs about $.10. That plus the fact that you can get a first generation iPhone on ebay for $50, a 90% reduction in cost, means we're spiraling into a deflationary liquidity trap we at the Fed call "con-flation." So, we're cranking up the printers and buying all the homes in America. It won't cause a bubble: Trust Us(tm).
/Bernanke.
Bottom-line is that inflation will always be under-reporting because that is the best thing to do politically. We take out things like food and gas even though most of our extra incomes goes into these items. Inflation has been rising and it doesn't matter if LCD TVs are $100 if you don't have $100 to spend on them. You don't deploy trillions of dollars into the economy and then tell people truthfully it is not causing inflation. The really boogie monster all status-quo supporters fears is DEFLATION. Why, because it hurts creditors and god forbid a creditor takes a hit. It started with Confidential of Illinois in 1984 when we bailed out the creditors and sense then, that is how we operate. Risk is imaginary unless your not connected to the establishment. People who decry class warfare are the same people perpetrating it on a daily basis. Once the majority of people realize this and wake up to do something, that will be the day things CHANGE. |
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Can you PM more details about these crashes your having and what happens before them? My buddy needs a laptop bad and I want to know more. Also send me the OS and ram you have installed.
Thanks
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It is still on the expensive side. I would trying around the $300 range and you should get some hits.
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Goat, now I like where your going. Please make a list (PM or here) of all odd interesting items you could import to me in the states. I try and expand my culture by learning and trying things that are foreign to me. There is so many interesting things out there.
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