What some people are missing is that Alex Green / Moolah issue is not the reason of Syscoin's collapse. Even before the whole Mintpal scandal the coin's price was way below ICO price. So even if we manage to go throught the court issues we will be back to square one (which means being way below ICO price with bagholders preventing the price from going anywhere beyond 300-'s). I am also one of the bagholders (paid over 300 satoshi for my coins) and I understand that starting from scratch would make me lose some money but still this can be regained with the new coin. If we don't start a new coin instead of Sys then we won't ever attract new investors. Just ask your selves: how eager would you be to invest in a coin that has flawed reputation? Even if the coin is now better than it used to be, you wouldn't probably invest a dollar in it. And this is the main problem os Sycoin now - people automatically skip it while thinkin about their next pick, because for them it is just "this coin that failed at the beginning price wise and has been tanking since August now". Sorry for the harsh words but we have to understand that we - the bagholders - are probably the only ones who are still optimistic about the coin. Devs have proven to be solid and shouldn't waste their talents on this coin. By starting a new coin they will finally make their dream come true and you, the investors, will be happy too.

I totally support syscoin, but unfortunately if new coin was made with ICO, i would not be involved.

This would be more problems than just fixing imagine of this coin. As the imagine can be fixed with results and successful lawsuit and press from that.

There is no need for a new coin. Starting over too could very well produce few BTC to even be worth it. Really to fix image of coin is more hard work from developers and mostly just getting the business on blockchain out for people to use.

Once that happens people will finally see what is behind the cool tech syscoin has created.

It's always a hard decision and some people will be unhappy no matter what choice will be made.
Starting a new coin from scratch with the same great team and perhaps new ICO + some discount if you are a Sys holder might be a good idea.
We have great team but many issues to cope with. Those issues are holding the coin down and that won't change.
Most people in crypto don't even consider investing in failed coins like Sys (because let's face it - despite our community holding strong and devs working hard, Syscoin is considered as one of the failed coins). I am one of the bagholders too, so I will lose some money on this too, but it's better to lose now than when it hits 50 satoshi. Starting from a scratch without this whole baggage seems like a good choice, although it might make ICO holders unhappy. But crypto is gamble so everyone knew the risk taken.

Guys, a "big part of the budget" is not "the majority of ICO funds". It just means that enough has been spent that there cannot be a refund.

That said, I would like to know how many coders there are and what is being worked on. A few things are already behind schedule, such as value-adjusted add fees and website filtering.

We did just get the mac wallet though, so as long as another feature is released in the next week or two I will not start handing out torches and pitchforks  

Can s/he explain why? I know of at least one coin (KARM) that has changed from scrypt to X11 without needing a coin swap.

A hard fork is nice and (reasonably) simple... upgrade your client and you're done. A coin swap is a pain in the backside, by comparison. Holders are going to hate it, and so are exchanges. Just MHO, as usual.

Still not sure why we need to change to X11 in the first place?

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That is not going to happen for obvious reasons.

1. Big part of the budget was already spent;
2. There is no way to refund fairly simply because someone bought in ICO price and someone did bought in lower price and there is no way to find out how to refund fairly - buyback is not an option;
3. I simply will not do that because there is no reason to refund - everyone knew what they invest in from day 1 and had working product from day 1. I never even asked for as much as there was invested - the amount was decided by investors and everyone had all the numbers in perfect transparency. I never influenced price in any way and therefore can not be held responsible for any losses on exchange. All I did - offered everyone working coin, allowed people to determine it's value as they see fit and buy that coin with that price. 

Pavel has stated that coders are coding and that he has already spent the bulk of the ico funds.  I would be interested to know who the coders are and what exactly are they coding?  The last commit on the github was 27 days ago and I dont see a lot happening here and apart from paying himself a fat pay packet I cant see where all the funds could have been spent.  

Free market dude, if you think noble potential ends @ 15 sat you should definitely sell.
I think it worth much more then that.

My goal is to buy things and not just sell against BTC, time will tell...


EDIT: Oh I'm so stupid, I didn't realize you are trying to buy