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1841  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: (RE: Flippening) bitcoin has worked perfectly for 8 years 24/7/365 on: June 21, 2017, 04:18:34 PM
bitcoin has worked perfectly fine for over 8 years
it has processes 233,647,631 transactions [1]
it is now processing ~300,000 transactions per day [2]
about 200-600 million dollar is being transfered using bitcoin on daily basis [3]
there has been a spam attack on the network for some time. some people say it has been a couple of years. but it is still functioning as it should.
bitcoin has never failed, the blockchain has always been working, nodes are up and running and spread across the globe, no exchange has ever suspended bitcoin wallet to investigate!


ethereum got some attention for a couple of months this is the result:
average transaction fees surpasses $1 in 2 months [4]
blockchain is congested and caused ethereum and all the others relying on it to fail. all exchanges have already disabled all these wallets.


[1] https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-total?timespan=all
[2] https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions
[3] https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume-usd
[4] https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/ethereum-transactionfees.html


I wouldn't take an overly simplistic fact like "Bitcoin has never failed" as proof of anything conclusive. First, "failed" is overly vague. If you mean it has never gone to zero, it's true but misleading in the sense that Bitcoin has not been without hiccups or controversies, not to mention crises. And don't forget all the exchanges that HAVE failed. Mt. Gox and Cryptsy are just two of them. There are others.

The spam attack has absolutely degraded the network. Most transactions are not affected, but many hundreds of thousands of transactions have been, and the result has been to push transaction fees through the roof. The average Bitcoin transaction fee is now over $5, where it used to be just pennies or fractions of a penny. Bitcoin is not nearly the perfect system your post seems to suggest. It's an interesting alternative to traditional banking transactions, but inferior in almost every way.
1842  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mempool Memory on: June 21, 2017, 04:09:26 PM
If there's anyone with more technical knowledge that can lend any useful information to any of the above questions, I'd be grateful to learn something new. It seems this post very much runs the risk of being burried into oblivion on this busy board.
1843  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: June 21, 2017, 12:07:41 AM
Even there's a lot of coins in the market or even the price of digital currencies we're raised up, I think that paper money were still used in the future. Because paper money were more usable for the people who cannot know how to use bitcoin.
People often forget that Bitcoin could be used as Paper Money as well. Bitcoin Paper Wallets could be used to purchase things offline while fiat is used in that same exchange as well. I am pretty sure that Bitcoin will help people to use less fiat compared to how many people are using it now.

Bitcoin cannot exist physically. Even if you have a paper wallet, you cannot actually spend the bitcoins except by transferring the coins digitally to someone else, which can only be accomplished through the blockchain. If you were to give someone your paper wallet, they may accept that as payment, but the blockchain wil not reflect the transaction. And as someone who previously had the private key, you can't be sure the previous owner won't still spend the coins digitally. This may seem like a non-issue, but it gets at what Bitcoin is fundamentally, and that is as a solely digital currency. It's impossible for Bitcoin to exist in the physical world, because ownership is determined by the ability to move coins in the blockchain, and the blockchain only exists digitally.
1844  Economy / Economics / Re: USD vs BTC on: June 20, 2017, 11:52:26 PM
dollar will keep its popularity over btc for many years, but maybe will see it someday at btc'knees

It is popular, even bitcoin has a high price, dollar still is at top. Without dollar, bitcoin will have no value, the price of bitcoin has price, and it's price is on dollar and other fiats. There is no way dollar will be on bitcoin knees, because even a lot of century will pass, bitcoin will never have a knee  Roll Eyes

There's no reason to say that without the USD Bitcoin wouldn't have any value. Things have value regardless of how many currencies there are in what world. If the USD didn't exist, there would be another medium of exchange used in the United States, and the price of Bitcoin could be known in that medium. It may be true that Bitcoin would have reduced value, but that's another question entirely since it's the excess wealth allowed by our current stable financial system that creates the excess to drive up the value of speculative assets like Bitcoin. Bitcoin has a remarkably low utility outside of gambling like that

Well, I remember you were saying quite the opposite not so long ago

That Bitcoin without the US dollar is not long for this world either and will quickly kick the bucket. So what made you change your mind? Though you seem to have pinpointed the main cause for excessive speculation (which is what currently gives Bitcoin value, not the US dollar itself, of course), i.e. the excessive (unused) wealth, which has no real-life application and which thus gets poured into speculative assets (like Bitcoin)

There's some nuance in what I'm saying. As theory, the fact that the USD goes to zero would not mean Bitcoin would go to zero just because its denominated in dollars. This is true because there are other currencies to value an asset in. As a practical matter, I do believe that the failure of the US dollar would render Bitcoin much less valuable (not necessarily valueless). I still believe that it is the excess wealth created by a stable world economy (possible because of the stability of the USD) that gives speculative assets the bulk of their value. I think these ideas are consistent with what I've usually said on these boards. If not, I owe it to an evolution of ideas as I read more perspectives, or poorly communicated previous posts.
1845  Economy / Economics / Re: Invest your bitcoins. on: June 20, 2017, 11:44:30 PM
I always investing coins in bittrex exchange platform due there are lot of potentials altcoins out there.
It is really better to invest it if you want to grow your coin at once.

Altcoin investment is extremely risky nowadays. Speculation has driven up the prices of most of these coins beyond the viable thresholds. A huge bubble is forming, and it can burst at anytime. If the Bitcoin prices crash after August 1, then the prices of these altcoins are going to crash even faster. So be careful with your investments.

The same price rally we have seen in Bitcoin has been spread among many of the altcoins as well. What's to distinguish between a bubble in one and a "legitimate" price increase in another? Obviously, bubble connotes unwarranted gain prone to bursting and losing value. What makes Bitcoin's recent rise a non-bubble but other coins that have experienced the same rise a bubble? Seems a bit arbitrary to me.
1846  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Mempool Memory on: June 20, 2017, 11:35:07 PM
During this time of increased network congestion (seems more the norm now than ever) and the backlog of unconfirmed transactions, I'm trying to figure out how the mempool retains unconfirmed transactions. It seems that unconfirmed transactions used to drop out after a time, in my experience, around a week of being unconfirmed. . Recently, I had a transaction remain unconfirmed for 6 weeks, and it just recently confirmed as the backlog of unconfirmed transactions in the mempool was mostly eliminated. (It's currently rebuilding though).

So a couple questions:

1) has something changed recently to cause the mempool to retain unconfirmed transactions longer than it used to?
2) I'm assuming the mempool is decentralized, so what exactly determines what unconfirmed transactions are in or out?

My simplistic understanding is that my wallet broadcasts my transaction which is picked up by a node (all nodes?), and the node broadcasts it until it is bundled into a block, and unconfirmed transactions are generally sorted by highest fee/byte. Please correct anywhere this is incorrect. But are the collective nodes what constitute the mempool then, or is the mempool distinct from the nodes? And along that line, can we force the mempool to forget unconfirmed transactions of a certain age?
1847  Economy / Economics / Re: Do You Think Bitcoin Will Replace Dollar Soon? on: June 18, 2017, 09:57:12 PM
It might happen. And if that happens then the next 15 years the dollar is no longer a standard in the world's finances
Nah, you are wrong mate, bitcoin will not replace dollar. That could happen just in case if bitcoin become worlds currency, and that is like a dream too. Dollar is American currency and there is no reason why bitcoin would replace it. Japan accepted bitcoin as legal way of paying, but i do not see that bitcoin replaced Yen.

But there definitely is a reason why people should convert their fiat into bitcoins. The major thing is the constant inflation of money. Your 1$ can buy a lot more stuffs back then. The prices of stuffs are getting higher and higher but that's just because of the inflation of the currency that you have. When people convert their fiat to bitcoins, bitcoin might replace fiat. As of now that can still never happen because microtransaction is still expensive in bitcoins. There's still a scaling issue.

Nevertheless, the inflation issue of the fiat alone is enough for people to convert their fiat to bitcoins. Bitcoin is a good way to store value but the price fluctuation discourages a lot of people.

Inflation in USD is nowhere near the volatile swings of Bitcoin. USD inflation is currently around 1.8% per year, Bitcoin trades up and down 25% in a week quite frequently. People who are buying Bitcoin to "escape inflation" can't see the forest for the trees. They're taking on immense risk to try to manage a much smaller risk.
1848  Economy / Economics / Re: If USD falls on: June 18, 2017, 03:44:07 PM
There's generally two ways to look at the relationship between USD and btc. The first is that bitcoin has intrinsic value indpendent of USD, so if the USD falls, btc (while indpendently stable) will "appreciate" in value relative to the USD. An offshoot of this is that the failing dollar would send people piling into btc, which would push the price up. The opposite of this view is that it's excessive wealth created by the stable value of the USD that creates the wealth necessary to allow people to speculate on bitcoin, and if the world's most stable currency failed, people would flee the riskiest assets in a massive flight to safety, which would tank the bitcoin price.

Personally, I fall into this second group. The failure of the dollar would tank the world economy, bitcoin included, which is the king of speculative assets. People will flee speculative assets and pile into traditionally safe assets, which would include gold, silver, and probably the Euro and Yen as the remaining stable fiat currencies.
1849  Economy / Economics / Re: Do You Think Bitcoin Will Replace Dollar Soon? on: June 17, 2017, 12:15:57 AM
Will not replace the dollar, because the dollar is held by many people in world. That's, More scattered and more reliable than bitcoin for now. However, bitcoin can be an alternative dollar for our financial activities, in future it may be much easier to use bitcoin.

Yeah and dollar is physical in nature and people have more faith in something that they can hold physically so even if bitcoin gets more popular in future there will be many percentage of people who will prefer to use dollars and will use bitcoins only as a secondary currency.

Bitcoin can compete with the dollar only if it can be touched, and so it will only be a secondary electronic currency.

The physical dollar is on the way out as well. There are far more digital transaction denominated in USD now than there are paper currency transactions, and more money is moved electronically as well. This has been a long term trend, but even if the dollar completely loses its physical status, it will be far superior to bitcoin. Physicality is not the only place it beats bitcoin.

In the era of digital technology, the physical expression no longer matters. Now reliability, ease of use and security are important. All these properties are in bitcoin. But he has no support from the government. That's why bitcoin will never drive out the dollar

Don't forget cost-efficiency. The average bitcoin transaction fee is around $5 right now. I suppose if you're spending a thousand dollars at a time, this might be relatively small for the transaction size compared to alternatives. If you're spending less than $100, that's an exorbitant fee. Online banking is generally cheaper than bitcoin by a very wide margin presently. Anecdotally, I don't pay any fees on digital transactions with fiat. Bitcoin can't touch that.
1850  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: June 16, 2017, 11:36:48 PM
I don't think paper money is facing any competition from Bitcoin as government is not interested in circulation of a currency they can not control and regulate. Transaction of Bitcoin also charge a high fees which makes its use impossible for small transactions.
Absolutely, the government has the power to freeze the exchange sites to stop the circulation of bitcoin, without exchanges bitcoin is nothing and if it will be declared as illegal there is nothing we can do. Paper money will remain as it is the most simplest form of currency where we do not need to go online to spend, majority if not all the people can benefit with paper money but with bitcoin it's only a little portion and not even the poor people

Some governments have already tried that but miserably failed

The Chinese Central bank tried something to that tune, even twice but Bitcoin only rallied further and higher. "Freezing" exchanges would likely mean stopping Internet at large (to be effective), but that would be prohibitively expensive for obvious reasons. Otherwise, how are you going to stop something which might not even have physical presence? There are no offices to get raided, there are no bank accounts to get blocked, so how are you going to halt the exchanges? Some countries block access to exchange sites, but there are free VPN's and proxies to easily render all these efforts futile and void

Some countries are better than others at blocking internet sites, but you've correctly identified the best way to stop bitcoin, and that's to target points of exchange. Egypt seems particularly adept at blocking websites, and blocking VPN services operating in the country as well, as we've seen in the last week (non-bitcoin related blocking, but effective to blacking out access to certain news cites nonetheless). I don't know how good the Chinese are at blocking VPNs, but I imagine with such strong state controls over the internet, if they wanted to block it entirely, they would be able to do a decent enough job at it. In January, China reiterated its ban on a range of foreign VPNs, but from what I've read, there seems to be mixed information about the effectiveness of the ban. But Egypt can do it, I don't see why China can't.
1851  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: June 16, 2017, 11:26:23 PM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?

Paper money would exist.It cannot be completely banned.In india,the government tried to convert people to digital transactions and demonitized higher value notes,but it failed to deliver the expected results.

This is perhaps just a first step towards the move to digital cash. I wouldn't expect a country of over a billion people to be able to go from physical currency to digital in one move. The elimination of smaller bills seems like a logical precursor though. You have to think of these things as happening in small moves, not one overnight shift.
1852  Economy / Gambling / Re: ◥◤ NitrogenSports.eu ◢ Join the Future of Betting ◣ Bet BITCOIN on US OPEN ◥◤ on: June 16, 2017, 11:12:17 PM
Any chance Nitrogen will be offering some prop betting for Mayweather vs McGregor?  I know you guys don't offer then at all but maybe you can make a consideration for this one in a life time, super spectacular dog and pony show of an event?  Grin



No promises, but we have about two months before the fight so we will definitely explore adding prop bets for the Mayweather vs. McGregor bout.

For the meantime, here are the lines for the super spectacular dog and pony show, I mean May vs Mac event: Mayweather vs. McGregor Betting Odds

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McGregor has just about exactly a 0% chance in beating Mayweather at boxing, just as Floyd would have just about exactly 0% chance of beating Conor in an Octogon.



Would you be willing to lay odds for 1000 to 1 then?  I'll bet 0.1 BTC for your 100 BTC.  I mean since you're so sure that McGregor has zero chance of winning and all.

So what say you?  Let's have a bet?  We can do .01 BTC for your 10 BTC if you want or less depending on your budget.

Holy hell! The actual odds are only 6:1, why on earth would anyone give you 1000:1? I agree the statement "0% chance of winning" is a a bit hyperbolic, but if you can pull off that bet, that's the gambling crime of the century!
1853  Economy / Economics / Re: If Bitcoin goes up very high should i buy a house? on: June 16, 2017, 04:40:06 PM
Some people seem to think buying a house in bitcoin will save you tax money. Regardless of how you buy your house, you're going to have to pay taxes on it when you sell. If you're buying a house with bitcoin, you're still going to use the USD equivalent for tax purposes. All real estate transactions are registered with a county or local government office, you cannot buy a house anonymously. You will also still be subject to real estate taxes while owning, not just when you sell.
1854  Economy / Economics / Re: Invest your bitcoins. on: June 16, 2017, 04:21:54 PM
there are a lot of sites where you can invest your valuable bitcoin, you can save or invest bitcoin, also you have an opportunity to join in the bitcoin mining, not only that you can play gambling and games also..so there are some specific fields from where you will be able to get more bitcoin by investing your bitcoin...
Holding your bitcoins is already a good way of investing, however if you want to take more risk, investing in ICOs for
me would be a wise choise. Majority of the project in ICOs had succeed and the value has increase making investors
enjoy their investment.
Investing in ICOs is a good idea but you need to analyze every ICOs because there are many people using ICO to scam people money. THe more you learn about it, the more chance you can have a good amount of bitcoin. The more risk you take, the more money you can have

Investing in ICOs is a crapshoot. Nobody has a realistic expectation of which coins are going to catch on with investors (and I use that term almost facetiously, because they're really just gamblers). New coins aren't really fulfilling a new market function, so it's more of an exercise in marketing to build buzz around a coin than introduce a new product the market actually wants or needs.
1855  Economy / Economics / Re: If bitcoin price is $10.000, will fiat be worthless? on: June 16, 2017, 04:15:22 PM
Bitcoin looks like will reach those value at 2020, atleast the way it is looking is we are mooving forward to bigger values, bitcoin records had been broken already, and now bitcoin is stable with a good support above 2000 dollars. Fiat will be always used and neither bitcoin or crypto can change those.

Bitcoin may be trading above $2000 regularly, that doesn't make it stable. Bitcoin continues to be remarkably volatile.  This is a price chart over the last 14 days. This is not a picture of stability.

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Ah, thanks for the clarification. The one-time use bonus is an important detail. Until you said that, I thought it worked on a time window like the reward point bonuses. That changes the math a little for me when determining if I should try to earn it.
1857  Economy / Economics / Re: Do You Think Bitcoin Will Replace Dollar Soon? on: June 16, 2017, 03:43:23 PM
with a fee of 1USD bitcoin will never be allways used, so we will still need an asset that you can touch.
With a large transaction fee like that, of course I and other users will not use bitcoin transactions frequently, A large fee would be disturbing
So I'm sure users will still use dollars or fiat to transact


There were 150-190 thousand unconfirmed transactions at different points in the last week as the spam attackers drive the transaction fees higher for everyone. (Last I checked it was around 80k now.) The problem is becoming larger and it threatens future adoption. People who aren't already involved in it won't like the uncertainty this scenario creates. I've been quite involved, and even I am tiring of it

There can be at least two opposite views on this issue

According to the first view, the escalating fees could in fact damage "future adoption" provided there is any in the first place. If there is in fact such potential, it will be inevitably filled either by Bitcoin or by some other currency, as with anything wherever there is free market (the genie is already out of his bottle). So for us, generic Bitcoin users, it all comes down to dumping bitcoins "in the right place at the right time". According to the second view, rising fees could actually play a positive role since they create the reason for fast change. In other words, without fees skyrocketing right now, we might drag on like this for many more years (though we still may), essentially stagnating while current problems (like slow confirmation times) would be turning into chronic ones which are hard to cure

This is a good point, but I don't have faith that a crisis will prompt the necessary changes to the ecosystem. The block-size problem has already been simmering for a couple years, and some key developers (like Mike Hearn) have left bitcoin over the foundation's inability or unwillingness to address the problem. I would hope the scenario you laid out would come to fruition, just like I would like to think that the people in charge are logical, long-term thinkers. However recent (in)actions and the current trajectory leads me to believe that influential insiders are plagued by the same conflict of interests that bog down every bureaucracy when there is significant wealth at stake: an unwillingness to do anything that will drastically change the current environment and threaten their vast bitcoin-related wealth.
1858  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: June 14, 2017, 07:52:18 PM
About the program boost the free-to-play reward by playing the multiply game or buying lottery tickets: does that reward stack with other rewards? For example, if I successfully boost the f2p reward throughbuse of the multiply game, then purchase a boost with reward points of 100%, will both boosts work together?
1859  Economy / Economics / Re: USD vs BTC on: June 07, 2017, 12:06:42 AM
dollar will keep its popularity over btc for many years, but maybe will see it someday at btc'knees

It is popular, even bitcoin has a high price, dollar still is at top. Without dollar, bitcoin will have no value, the price of bitcoin has price, and it's price is on dollar and other fiats. There is no way dollar will be on bitcoin knees, because even a lot of century will pass, bitcoin will never have a knee  Roll Eyes

There's no reason to say that without the USD Bitcoin wouldn't have any value. Things have value regardless of how many currencies there are in what world. If the USD didn't exist, there would be another medium of exchange used in the United States, and the price of Bitcoin could be known in that medium. It may be true that Bitcoin would have reduced value, but that's another question entirely since it's the excess wealth allowed by our current stable financial system that creates the excess to drive up the value of speculative assets like Bitcoin. Bitcoin has a remarkably low utility outside of gambling like that.
1860  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: June 06, 2017, 11:57:37 PM
Paper money's future still be the same only that it will be lessen in usage due to bitcoin digital currency is the mostly used currency in the future years to come. Hopefully this will be happening so that bitcoin price will be more stable in the marketplace just like the fiat money currency money. Bitcoin that time wil be the most profitable investment to have amd paper money will be reduced in spending and exchanges but it will not vanish in banking because offline using still remains like in local wet markets and those who doesn't knew how to use the digital world of internet transactions, because bitcoin needs to be accessed through online network.

Bitcoin isn't going to affect physical currency much. The ratio of people using Bitcoin to conduct commerce vs. using it to gamble, either by buying speculatively or using it to skirt casino or sport book restrictions, is extremely small. The thing that is going to diminish physical fiat's use is digital fiat. Most transactions are already digital, and easier than blockchain technology

Well, now I seem to understand the difference between your reasoning and mine

In short, you don't look deeper besides what's on the surface taking into account only direct effects, and thus jump to premature conclusions. This post of yours is a perfect example of that. You basically state that Bitcoin cannot affect fiat since the former is not used in conducting commerce (i.e. Bitcoin is not used as a currency). This point itself can hardly be challenged since it is a fact of life (with which I totally agree, just in case). But this is not the only route via which Bitcoin can and does in fact affect fiat (physical or digital). You forget that fiat itself is not only about commerce and being a currency. It is also a speculative asset on its own and a store of value (another fact of life), and this is exactly where Bitcoin hits hardest. But since fiat here and fiat there it is still the same fiat (both physical and digital), Bitcoin necessarily affects them both even if indirectly and even if Bitcoin itself is not used to conduct real business as you state

There you go again claiming someone who doesn't see something the same as you has a malinformed opinion. Just try sticking to your ideas and don't pretend you have a grand insight into other's minds, because some of your ideas are quite uninformed. Claiming that the USD is a speculative asset is ridiculous

You seem to be more and more detached from reality

Any fiat currency is a speculative asset by definition. I guess George Soros would be greatly surprised to hear that claim after he (with a tightly knit group of speculators) had basically put the Bank of England to its knees when he shorted the British pound and earned 1B dollars within a single day. Yeah, I know that GBP is not USD, but I guess you won't start claiming the US dollar is somehow different in this regard. I guess you are the only one here who is "quite uninformed". You may want to learn more about currency carry-trade in particular and Forex in general

All you do is spout opinions without substantiation. Explain how the USD is a speculative asset, and be sure to include an argument that acknowledges the fact that it's generally a more stable currency than any other fiat currency. The definition of financial speculation is "the act of trading in an asset or conducting a financial transaction that has a significant risk of losing most or all of the initial outlay with the expectation of a substantial gain." If your economy is based in USD, the USD cannot be a speculative asset because that's the default currency, not an active investment decision to chase returns that you've traded in to. Thus, as is plainly evident, "any fiat currency is not a speculative asset by definition."
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