I only checked the most obvious sources (like btct and the thread here) and couldnt find the backing list. (but you've probably checked there as well) The difficulty seems to rise now, lets see maybe we will see a high dividend for selling after all  Hadn't noticed that - it really seems to have shot up suddenly in last few hours. Either a bunch of machines have been turned on or there's been goof network luck and blocks have been found faster than standard. There's only a few days until next difficulty change - and it's still possible for SELLING to get a very good dividend or no dividend at all. Which is why any decent model predicts a range NOT a fixed value. Even if some participants in DMS lose money (and it's a certainty some will - just unknown which ones) they'll hopefully learn enough from it that the loss doesn't sting too badly and saved them more on future trades in other securities. At least a 10% increase makes sense. It was around 5% half way through the round and about 7.3% 3/4 of the way through. Next round will see a higher increase due to the Minirigs coming online. Just one a day leads to an increase in difficulty of 1 million. Assembling 10 a day would pose no problems if the components were on hand. |
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With regards to the investments, if they do bad, SELLING gets lower dividends. If they do good then, does SELLING get higher dividends?
This asset was already confusing enough. Please provide some example maths to show how these investments effect dividends.
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I don't understand why a .001 dividend warrants such a high share price. Currently, ASICMiner shares crunch down to about 82 MH/s PER SHARE. How can anyone expect a return on investment paying 22.7 MH/BTC?
it's .019, actually... yeah, but next week it will be more MH/s per share. And you are getting dividends for hardware sells, too. MH/s per share is not a good gauge, because that changes every week. Even at 250 Th/s, AM would provide 625 Mh/s per share. At 3.5 BTC per share, that's still only 178.57 Mh/s per BTC. |
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Who's to say all the avalon and BFL rigs are not online already -- just not shipped.
The network hash rate shows that's not even a slightly plausible notion. |
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The comparison to mining bitcoins would be asking a Star Trek food replicator for wheat.
Only if you assume that replicators are free of maintenance, risk, and energy cost :-) I'm sure there are some interesting episodes in Voyagers to speak to that alternative. .b Why? Are you assuming that mining devices are free of maintenance, risk and energy cost? Because that's what you're saying with that statement. |
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Prices right now: BFMines: 0,004 per Mh/s
TAT.VM: 0,0035 per Mh/s
DMS.MINING: 0,0032 per Mh/s
AM USB Miner: 0,003 per Mh/s (with new price 0.99 btc)
But anyway it's doubtful if BFMines will get approved, it's waiting for another YES vote since days... I'm sorry, what was that? BFMines is still the cheapest contract on the market. DMS.* carries additional volatility risk, which is likely going to be of concern to those that are the targets of these types of assets (investors who would want an option to get out, not traders who would speculate on short-term price shifts). And really, I'm sure you're not comparing running your own hardware with having someone run the hardware for you. Or are you OK with farming your own wheat rather than buying flour in the store? My point with previously comparing the hardware cost to mining contracts is to show that they are real alternatives (and, to some extent, that ASICMiner in particular is charging ridiculous prices for hardware) not to indicate that there is no extra cost or risk involved with running hardware. The final vote, however, is of less concern now as there are wheels in motion to come up with an alternative. I will announce news on Friday June 28 regardless of whether the vote comes in. .b Would you be OK trying to solve blocks using pen and paper as that would be the more apt comparison to farming wheat. The comparison to mining bitcoins would be asking a Star Trek food replicator for wheat. Anyway, it's good to hear you've come up with an alternative. |
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Wow， again ,droop to 14% .,,I am waiting for panic selling ....
where is the panic selling ?people still trade it for BTC3.4....this unbelievable
people have faith in friedcat. This is a bad news......I want my shares back ....  Hilarious! Remember me saying: I'll wait for the bubble to burst and scoop up a load of shares at a fair price, while laughing at SOSLOVE screaming all over the place that Friedcat scammed him and is evil.
Wololo! |
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On a similar matter, the exchanges and gambling sites need to get regulated and the mining devices should be sold with FCC/CE certification.
lololololol If you're trying to convert him, you're doing it wrong. The magic words you're looking for are wololo, not lololololol!  |
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Waiting for a 50% price reduction similar to USB block erupter  I'd expect a ~15% price reduction and a 5-10% hashing efficiency increase. Something around a 20-30% improvement on value, to match the difficulty increases. 50% would probably be too much when the competition isn't quite delivering yet. It seems that BFL has delivered some ASIC Minirigs (500 GH per rig), so albeit slowly and long overdue, the competition is starting to deliver.... Gosh this is beyond me... they deliver ONE minirig tell customer to spread the hype and people eat that shit as "they are starting to deliver" ? They've actually shipped 5 Minirigs. |
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If you order from BFL now you risk that they will have their asses sued of them by everyone who ordered a Minirig. Which never shipped and the replacement product has 1/3 the hash power and is 3 times as expensive. I wouldn't pre-order from a company with such an uncertain future no matter how good their product is.
On what basis could they be sued? Those unhappy can obtain a full refund at any time. If they decide not to get a refund, they'll get 3 x 500 Gh/s Minirigs instead of 1 x 1.5 Th/s Minirig. If you ordered a sports car with a max. speed of 300 Mph would you be satisfied if you would get 3 cars that can do 100 Mph instead? I wouldn't. The minirig buyers ordered a 1.5 Th/s device, not 3 500 Gh/s devices (with 3 times the power usage). Not being satisfied is no basis for suing someone. They can accept the alternative offering or they can accept a full refund. |
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If you order from BFL now you risk that they will have their asses sued of them by everyone who ordered a Minirig. Which never shipped and the replacement product has 1/3 the hash power and is 3 times as expensive. I wouldn't pre-order from a company with such an uncertain future no matter how good their product is.
On what basis could they be sued? Those unhappy can obtain a full refund at any time. If they decide not to get a refund, they'll get 3 x 500 Gh/s Minirigs instead of 1 x 1.5 Th/s Minirig. |
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for the trolls that keep bringing up how BFL is going to slaughter AM next week with all these orders, I present a BFL order chart: http://bfl.allalla.com/boy, just look at that competition go... yawn. Nobody has even made such a claim here so you're arguing with yourself. Now that you bring it up though, has AM received any of the chips from the new batch yet? If not, then the initial batch was only for 50 Th/s according to AM but I've also heard they had 66 Th/s as well. So, unless that new batch has started to arrive, AM can't increase their hash rate above either 50 TH/s or 66 Th/s. I believe they've had their hash rate as high as 46 Th/s so far. At least 3.5 TH/s have been used for USBs and at least 0.15 Th/s of Blades have been sold. With BFL shipping Minirigs and AM not having the ability to bring any further hashing power online, BFL would certainly be bringing more hashing power online. Also, like I pointed out, a single person could quite easily assemble 10 Minirigs a day, which is 150 TH/s a month. AM's incoming batch of chips is 100 Th/s. So, even if AM do get their new batch in time, and bring all 100 Th/s online by the end of the month, BFL could have overtaken them in shipping. AM would then be waiting on the second half of the batch for their final 100 Th/s, yet BFL would be able to ship the remaining 70 Th/s of Minirig orders. So please explain, how AM are going to bring tens of Th/s online per day when they don't even have the chips in hand to do so at the moment. |
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That would be impressive if it wasn't for this wall of Undelivered Orders Did I mention thats over 4000 http://bfl.ptz.ro/Hoooleee crap! On this list we have 4000 orders totalling 400TH/s but this list is not exhaustive - if you look at the order numbers we can guesstimate that the actual list is around 18000 orders which would be about 1800 TH/s! Of course in 12 months they haven't even delivered 200 orders so clearing this backlog will take us to 2019 If you bothered counting the number of orders delivered, you'd find that they have shipped over 200. Why lie about things which are so easily proven false? I just counted them and the exact number of delivered orders on that list is.... (drum roll) 169 Oh snap! Nigga you got TOLD! Since we know that they've shipped the Jalapeno orders up to and including the 2012/09/07, you can add another 36 orders to that number. There are 30 Singles orders for 2012/06/23, so once they reach the orders from the 24th you can add another 30 to the list of delivered. They've also shipped 5 Minirigs. So, they've shipped at least 209 orders. |
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I just counted them and the exact number of delivered orders on that list is.... (drum roll) 169
Oh snap! Nigga you got TOLD!
Nice one! Hey, Mabsark, how does your pride taste? hahahahaha  so, let's see, under 200 orders, OMG, they might become an AM competitor in what, 34 years? Yes, I was wrong, I was remembering the number of Jalapenos shipped, not the orders. It doesn't bother me in the slightest that I was wrong. I admit I was wrong and stand corrected. What of it? |
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That would be impressive if it wasn't for this wall of Undelivered Orders Did I mention thats over 4000 http://bfl.ptz.ro/Hoooleee crap! On this list we have 4000 orders totalling 400TH/s but this list is not exhaustive - if you look at the order numbers we can guesstimate that the actual list is around 18000 orders which would be about 1800 TH/s! Of course in 12 months they haven't even delivered 200 orders so clearing this backlog will take us to 2019 If you bothered counting the number of orders delivered, you'd find that they have shipped over 200. Why lie about things which are so easily proven false? I just counted them and the exact number of delivered orders on that list is.... (drum roll) 169 Oh snap! Nigga you got TOLD! Now I'm going to have to go and count them again. Edit: Yes, you were right. The number I was remembering was the number of Jalapenos shipped, as some of the orders are for multiple unit. |
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If you bothered counting the number of orders delivered, you'd find that they have shipped over 200. Why lie about things which are so easily proven false?
I didn't count them, would have taken several minutes of my life that I'd never get back. I just guessed. Did you count them? What did you get? I counted them the other week and I think there was 209 orders delivered. It was definitely in the 200s though. |
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That would be impressive if it wasn't for this wall of Undelivered Orders Did I mention thats over 4000 http://bfl.ptz.ro/Hoooleee crap! On this list we have 4000 orders totalling 400TH/s but this list is not exhaustive - if you look at the order numbers we can guesstimate that the actual list is around 18000 orders which would be about 1800 TH/s! Of course in 12 months they haven't even delivered 200 orders so clearing this backlog will take us to 2019 If you bothered counting the number of orders delivered, you'd find that they have shipped over 200. Why lie about things which are so easily proven false? Well why say theirs competition now when you have a backlog that still's in 2012 Being made with hairdryers XD I'm not saying there's competition now. I'm saying the competition is starting to arrive and it's going to arrive in huge numbers. I'm also saying that because there hasn't been any real competition so far and wont be any for another month or two due to back orders, AM dividends and share prices are inflated above their actual worth. They'll fall once there's competition on the shelves. |
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That would be impressive if it wasn't for this wall of Undelivered Orders Did I mention thats over 4000 http://bfl.ptz.ro/Hoooleee crap! On this list we have 4000 orders totalling 400TH/s but this list is not exhaustive - if you look at the order numbers we can guesstimate that the actual list is around 18000 orders which would be about 1800 TH/s! Of course in 12 months they haven't even delivered 200 orders so clearing this backlog will take us to 2019 If you bothered counting the number of orders delivered, you'd find that they have shipped over 200. Why lie about things which are so easily proven false? |
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That would be impressive if it wasn't for this wall of Undelivered Orders Did I mention thats over 4000 http://bfl.ptz.ro/At an assembly rate of 2 per hour, a single person working 8 hours per day, 5 days per week, could assemble those Minirigs in 39 days. At an assembly rate of 5 per hour, a single person working 8 hours per day, 5 days per week, could assemble those Singles in 119 days. At an assembly rate of 10 per hour, a single person working 8 hours per day, 5 days per week, could assemble those Jalapenos in 53 days. With 2 people assembling Singles, 1 assembling Minirigs and 1 assembling Jalapenos, the backlog could be cleared in 60 days with an adequate supply of components. |
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