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1861  Economy / Gambling / Re: ◥◤ NitrogenSports ◢ Largest & Most Trusted BTC Sportsbook ◣ Bet NBA Playoffs ◥◤ on: June 02, 2017, 07:29:03 PM
A tennis match between Wozniacki and Bellis was suspended today due to rain. I believe it is scheduled to be completed tomorrow. What happens to bets in this instance? Will they remain pending until resolved tomorrow are be canceled today for non-completion?
1862  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: May 26, 2017, 08:33:42 PM
Maybe it would be possible to lower withdraw treshold on Dogecoin faucet? Dogecoin price increased few times and now we getting much less Dogecoins from faucet. Users need to made around 500 claims to get payout. I think it can be to hard for many users. Maybe 200 or 300 Dogecoin treshold would be optimal?

This is a great suggestion, thank you for sharing it! I'll be sure it gets discussed with wetsuit and we'll let you know if any changes are agreed upon.

Thanks for your continued loyalty, all of you - we appreciate it!
Now I see that Dogecoin faucet withdrawal treshold was lowered to 100 Dogecoin. Great! Thanks Myfe and Wetsuit for it.
BTW, it's very nice to see that Dogecoin price continue to rise.

I would be baffled by dogecoin price increases if it weren't for the fact that just about every major alt is also rising. Crypto as a whole has seen a ton of growth recently, and it's actually hit other coins more than bitcoin, as bitcoin's dominance has fallen from the 80% range to under 50% now. That means money has been flowing into other coins faster than bitcoin. I still don't see the use for all these alts, and long term I think a lot of them still continue to depreciate over time. It's just that there's so much money coming into all crypto right now, it's a temporary bump before they resume their slow trog towards irrelevance.
1863  Economy / Economics / Re: panic selling on: May 26, 2017, 08:26:58 PM
^ Most idiotic comment ever

Why would anyone hold stuff which will fall?Huh?

I diasagree. He means the falling is a temporary thing, so why to sell at low price and thus making it to drop even more? Remember 2014 when people who bought at $1,200 were panic selling at $800. They should have hold their coins and now they would be in profit.

Or they could have sold them at $800 and bought back in at $200, which is what bitcoin ended up dropping to. People who were selling at $800 in 2014 were ultimately right for a long time, and had plenty of time to buy in at far lower prices. The point is nobody knows the falling price is a temporary thing. Bitcoin is not guaranteed to go back up, not now and not ever.
1864  Economy / Economics / Re: panic selling on: May 26, 2017, 08:21:19 PM
I wouldn't suggest anyone to sell any Bitcoins right now since the price of Bitcoin is going up. Since I like to watch the Altcoins go up in value when the price of Bitcoin goes up, there is a large chance that people could make more Bitcoins from participating in the price uptrend.

The only thing that I don't like about people panic selling is that they usually complain when the price of Bitcoin gets really expensive and they can't purchase Bitcoin cheaply.

It's fine if they are going to sell only if they really need some extra cash for their own purpose but don't ever try to sell all the bitcoin that you had. I really hate panic selling, there's no unity between the users and traders, when this panic selling will be stopped for sure we are going to see the price to fly up to the moon.
We doesn't seems need to panic selling why? Because why would you sell it if you will lose? Then HODL for it and be patience you will see it if you panic sell and the alts that panic sell is pump much more high. Then you should think of it why i sell it? I just want to say AIM FOR THE HIGH
it is the nature of the bitcoin that when its price start decreasing then it can dump more that 100 points in few minutes although it can also recover its position very fast than its decreasing, but still people think that it is better to book a little lost instead of losing everything, they forget the recovery of the price of bitcoin again. i think they should try to hold their bitcoin specially in panic like situation. 
100 points or 100 percent? Please make some clarify of your statement, I know bitcoin could dump but I'm
not seeing it to dump at that level, that is pretty much alarming and will probably cause panic.

A drop of 100% would be Bitcoin going to zero, so it's not that. And 100 dollar drops happen quite frequently in short periods of time. Bitcoin is very volatile and drops $100 sometimes in a matter of hours. We've had several such drops in this first half of 2017 alone.

That is frequently happening to bitcoin and that is very normal to bitcoin. Even if bitcoins value drops by 200$ it will still go back to the current value and will tend to go back up. The dumpers that threaten bitcoin and telling people that bitcoin will melt since they will dump large of bitcoin. But those threats are no longer a threat but it becomes a motivation for some people to save money and prepare to buy more bitcoins since a dump will occur. Today nobody is dumping bitcoins except if necessary.

There's never a guarantee that a drop in any asset price will recover. Thinking so is a fatally flawed way to approach any investment. Bitcoin is not a special exception to the laws of economics. Also, it's been a wild ride the past few days. Bitcoin has dropped about $700 in a 24 hour period now, which is now the largest dollar drop, but at the time represented a 25% decline. That's a crushing drop, but I'm not sure it's the largest. That's how volatile bitcoin has been over the years.
1865  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: May 26, 2017, 08:18:08 PM
I prefer Bitcoin to gold.
There are many reasons behind my preference, Bitcoin day by day becoming acceptable and popular. At present, Bitcoin has more value than gold. Definitely Bitcoin would be preferable to gold because Bitcoin can be converted in to money anytime, but gold can't. Bitcoin needs only internet, you can easily trade and lend Bitcoin but gold is stack. Now a days, Bitcoin is using as selling and buying purchase but gold has limit.

This is silly. Gold is far more liquid than bitcoin on a global scale, although at the present rate, I would expect bitcoin to eventually reach parity there.  For however easy you think it is to convert bitcoin into fiat, there are far more financial institutions who will do so for gold, so the idea that gold can't be converted into money anytime while bitcoin can is false.  Further, bitcoin needs the internet is a weakness, not a strength. Gold exists in electronic form (futures, synthetic financial instruments, etc.) but also can be withdrawn and take a physical form. Bitcoin only exists in the blockchain. One thing where you are probably right though is that at this point it may be easier to transact with bitcoin, although I say maybe because I'm not aware of, and have never looked into, a way to make regular commercial transactions with gold, although I know there used to be gold-based electronic wallets. I don't know if they're still around or were ever very viable.
1866  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: May 26, 2017, 08:11:02 PM
One key factor where Bitcoin truly shines is its rarity. While gold is rare, Bitcoin is much rare because there is a limited amount of it that can come into existence. Whenever supply is restricted and demand is high, price goes up, so for me Bitcoin will continue to be a better store of value than Gold

Thinking of rarity in the way you do is meaningless

In other words, you can't possibly say that Bitcoin is rarer than gold (or the other way around). You can say that there are only 21M bitcoins (which somehow seems not a big deal) but I can easily challenge that point and claim that there are in fact 2114 satoshi which are intuitively not as rare as measly 21 million bitcoins. I hope you can see now that numbers alone taken only by themselves don't mean a lot in respect to scarcity

Denominating in satoshis instead of bitcoins hasn't done anything to make it less rare. If you count bitcoins or count satoshis, it doesn't change the amount of Bitcoin in the world or make it less rare or otherwise alter his premise. He's saying Bitcoin is valuable because it's rare and finite. Breaking a Bitcoin down into satoshis doesn't challenge either of those premises

Well, it hasn't done anything

But that should have been expected. Moreover, that was exactly my point if you didn't get it. I just wanted to show that numbers alone are meaningless. There is no abstract scarcity, i.e. you can't say if 1 is more scarce than 2, in general. So just saying (or implying) that there are over 5.5 billions of troy ounces of gold mined till now and therefore Bitcoin with its 21M of coins (and with some coins yet to be mined) is more rare (scarce) than gold is as meaningless

This second explanation was much more clear than your original, because that point definitely didn't come across the first time. Your first response didn't mention the comparison of bitcoins to gold, it only mentioned as a counter point to Bitcoin's "rarity" that 21 million coins can be divided into 21^14 satoshis, which logically doesn't make it any more or less rare than it was before

I did that intentionally

In fact, I even somewhat expected (should I say provoked?) that reply to lead you (as well as other readers, for that matter) to better understanding of what scarcity is and what it is not. Now it's time to drop gold from the equation completely. And if we drop gold, what does it change? Did Bitcoin's 21M coins become less scarce or more abundant? Well, that seems to mean the same, but never mind since it is basically the same as with 216 bitcoins versus 2114 satoshi. The numbers alone, when taken in isolation, don't mean anything (in respect to scarcity, at least). Indeed, you could judge scarcity in an absolute sense of sorts (i.e. how many bitcoins can exist in the Universe) and claim, for example, that 21M bitcoins is certainly less abundant than 22M bitcoins (provided the latter was possible), but it doesn't have any practical implication since in real life just 1M bitcoins can be more abundant (i.e. less scarce) than 10M bitcoins

That's borderline ridiculous. I don't believe for a second you plotted out a little breadcrumb trail you wanted people to follow, or that you better understand scarcity than anyone else on the boards. It appears you just got caught spouting non-sequitur nonsense and tried to retcon it into a "this was my master plan all along" scenario, especially since your response is still not on point and you're still differentiating about bitcoins vs. satoshis when that was never part of the original premise. That was an idea only you introduced, and which still isn't relevant. OP's original point was bitcoin is more rare because there is a limited amount that can come into existence. This is an incomplete thought, as it says nothing about gold, but I believe the implication is that while gold is also finite, we don't know how much of it there is, and can't speak to it's ultimate rarity. I believe that was OP's point, just poorly articulated. All the tangent about how you divide it up (bitcoins or satoshis, and relatedly pounds or ounces) is irrelevant, especially since OP didn't mention it. I think you inferred his meaning, and inferred wrong, then initiated an irrelevant tangent.
1867  Economy / Economics / Re: USD vs BTC on: May 20, 2017, 12:54:16 PM
is bitcoin more popular than US Dollar ?

Even a year after the post, bitcoin did not become more popular than the US dollar, because there are still many people who have not even heard of it.

Anyone expecting a world-wide replacement and the upheaval that would require wasn't exactly grounded in reality to start. The world is too large and too complex to change that quickly. I do not believe Bitcoin will ever replace fiat, for technical and political reasons, but I also never believed Bitcoin would reach $2000, either, so I continue to be surprised by the heights it has reached. World-wide currency revolution- still ruling it out.
1868  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: May 20, 2017, 12:39:14 PM
I tend to disagree that they couldn't be flooding the market

Basically, I have no access to the data how much oil they have in their reserves left, and I guess no one here does, if anyone at all (apart from the KSA royal family, of course). These were just rumors, after all (though they have been circulating for quite some time now). Other than that, there are quite a few things in the world which are totally counterintuitive at first glance (close to incomprehensible) while at some deeper level they are quite logical and rational. For example, Saudi Arabia might be flooding the market with cheap oil like mad even if their oil reserves were near depletion because it would still be more economically justified. We could have even lower oil prices when Iran started to produce crude oil at their full capacity in a few years after upgrading their oil extracting infrastructure

If you're close to depletion though, what short term benefit are you realizing by flooding the market now and realizing less revenue in the midterm? Saudi Arabia is not a diversified economy, and if they're close to depletion they are setting themselves up for great economical and political instability in the near future. It's possible as you say, but I wouldn't bet on it

I wouldn't bet on that either

But they might know something which we don't. For example, it would make sense to sell oil at any price if they desperately needed money, even if their oil reserves were close to depletion. After all, oil is still almost free for them (the cost of extraction is something like a few dollars per barrel). Yes, they had something like 600B dollars in wealth funds, but these funds are mostly in US treasuries (read they are controlled by the US government), so they can't simply convert them to dollars and take the proceeds. By the way, does anyone know how much they have in their funds by now?

They have several funds that do different things, but the Public Investment Fund is believed to be the largest and have over $183 billion in assets. But contrary to your assertion, 90% of that is invested inside state-owned Saudi companies, not US Treasuries. And it has started to shift to foreign investments recently, notching a $4.5 investment in Uber and agreeing to a deal with Softbank for $45 billion. this fund will probably be the beneficiary of the Aramco IPO (another $100 billion), but bankers believe the fund could balloon to $500 billion even before that, so pretty close to the $600 number you said. Although they may have that spread across all the other funds, this one is just the most prominent. (https://www.ft.com/content/bd3d7c34-b877-11e6-961e-a1acd97f622d). Saudis are also using one of their funds (not sure if this one) to launch a domestic arms industry to reduce dependence on the US.
1869  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: May 20, 2017, 12:28:13 PM
Saudi Arabia is least likely and least able to cheat on their agreed production numbers, as the largest member of OPEC it becomes blatantly obvious when they are over producing oil.     The most likely cheats in any scheme will be the smallest more remote producers who may give oil to energy users in their own country for political reasons to lower electricity cost and win voter support or similar schemes.   One of the more obvious countries that happened was Venezuela where oil is given very cheaply to the people, many 'illegal' exports occur in that cheap fuel to neighbouring countries

There is no shortage of oil resource, its a question of cost to extract and ease of access.  Iran has problems requiring engineering resource which leads to higher cost for them, mainly they lack investment and its sometimes true of other large countries like Russia.

The other end of the chain is demand which remains lower then it should be for years, world growth should be greater

How do you figure it's not easy to cheat? There are no other reporting measures other than what countries choose to disclose, and no oversight as to what is produced, consumed, or sold to market. If Saudi Arabia noticeably selling twice what report, it would be obvious perhaps, but if they agree to a 1 million bpd cut and then end up not doing half of that, it wouldn't be clear it was them, and may not that oil ever disappeared, especially with all the other OPEC nations lying inside a black box as well.
1870  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Paypal a scam? on: May 20, 2017, 01:41:38 AM
Paypal is not a scam. It is used by many before until bitcoin came. But for some reasons, even if it has a strong security all transactions can be reverse even if you deal a couple of days or weeks. That is why some people might call it as a scam. But difinitely it has a good ipact to online payments before until bitcoin appears. But until now many people still use paypal for their transactions.

Because of that reversible transactions many hated to use PayPal. There are legit people that are sending their products to their "potential" customers not knowing that they are going to reverse their transactions. So the seller or businessman is going to blame PayPal about it and will finally name that they are scam but the real reason is their customer.

It's the same for credit cards too, this isn't specific to PayPal. PayPal offers protections to buyers the same way credit cards do. The difference is you personally face clawback instead of a company. If you were conducting business and taking credit cards, a buyer could just the same challenge the transaction and you would face the same types of clawback. The laws are such that the seller has the burden of proof, because previously the sellers were always companies and the buyers were individuals, so the sellers have had more clout and the laws are designed to protect buyers. The laws have not kept up with the times as the economy has empowered individuals in conducting commerce. That's probably the real issue, it's not paypal-specific.
1871  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Paypal a scam? on: May 20, 2017, 01:37:39 AM
Paypal has some questionable business practices but you can't call it a scam, its a fully regulated company used by millions of people after all.

What questionable policies specifically? I've used them for years and everything seems perfectly reasonable given the nature of the business. The policies are well-defined and accessible, nobody has a reasonable basis to claim they aren't aware of them.
1872  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: May 20, 2017, 01:26:38 AM
Paper money's future still be the same only that it will be lessen in usage due to bitcoin digital currency is the mostly used currency in the future years to come. Hopefully this will be happening so that bitcoin price will be more stable in the marketplace just like the fiat money currency money. Bitcoin that time wil be the most profitable investment to have amd paper money will be reduced in spending and exchanges but it will not vanish in banking because offline using still remains like in local wet markets and those who doesn't knew how to use the digital world of internet transactions, because bitcoin needs to be accessed through online network.

Bitcoin isn't going to affect physical currency much. The ratio of people using Bitcoin to conduct commerce vs. using it to gamble, either by buying speculatively or using it to skirt casino or sport book restrictions, is extremely small. The thing that is going to diminish physical fiat's use is digital fiat. Most transactions are already digital, and easier than blockchain technology

Well, now I seem to understand the difference between your reasoning and mine

In short, you don't look deeper besides what's on the surface taking into account only direct effects, and thus jump to premature conclusions. This post of yours is a perfect example of that. You basically state that Bitcoin cannot affect fiat since the former is not used in conducting commerce (i.e. Bitcoin is not used as a currency). This point itself can hardly be challenged since it is a fact of life (with which I totally agree, just in case). But this is not the only route via which Bitcoin can and does in fact affect fiat (physical or digital). You forget that fiat itself is not only about commerce and being a currency. It is also a speculative asset on its own and a store of value (another fact of life), and this is exactly where Bitcoin hits hardest. But since fiat here and fiat there it is still the same fiat (both physical and digital), Bitcoin necessarily affects them both even if indirectly and even if Bitcoin itself is not used to conduct real business as you state

There you go again claiming someone who doesn't see something the same as you has a malinformed opinion. Just try sticking to your ideas and don't pretend you have a grand insight into other's minds, because some of your ideas are quite uninformed. Claiming that the USD is a speculative asset is ridiculous. A speculative asset is what you buy into to chase gains above what the base-denomination offers. That's what makes Bitcoin a worthy speculative asset, the chance for outsized returns vs holding fiat, which generally depreciates over time. It's why people sink money into penny stocks, or chase pyramid schemes: chasing outsized returns. I would almost venture that a base currency by defniniton cannot be a speculative asset because it's the default for what all commerce is based in on an economy. I would grant that the USD would be a speculative asset for foreigners who buy to get out of their own currency, but this inthibk would still be challenged by the fact that it's the most stable currency in the world. People in other-currency-based economies buy the USD to hedge or protect wealth, not to gamble on speculation.

I'd rather stick to discussing ideas and not pretending either of us has a magic insight into the other's mind or how they see the world.
1873  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: May 18, 2017, 01:45:47 AM
Paper money's future still be the same only that it will be lessen in usage due to bitcoin digital currency is the mostly used currency in the future years to come. Hopefully this will be happening so that bitcoin price will be more stable in the marketplace just like the fiat money currency money. Bitcoin that time wil be the most profitable investment to have amd paper money will be reduced in spending and exchanges but it will not vanish in banking because offline using still remains like in local wet markets and those who doesn't knew how to use the digital world of internet transactions, because bitcoin needs to be accessed through online network.

Bitcoin isn't going to affect physical currency much. The ratio of people using Bitcoin to conduct commerce vs. using it to gamble, either by buying speculatively or using it to skirt casino or sport book restrictions, is extremely small. The thing that is going to diminish physical fiat's use is digital fiat. Most transactions are already digital, and easier than blockchain technology.
1874  Economy / Economics / Re: Make money from money on: May 18, 2017, 01:35:16 AM
Time management lots and lots of time,being patience on every trade you do will really help you and that characteristic is needed in a good and succesful investors.Being calm in any time and dont panic on every investments
That's if you're working with Forex, if you're trying to make money off of something like altcoins then it is far easier to just have the right connections and be in the right groups as opposed to trying to make money off of what amounts to dumb luck and random-ish attempts at seeing a rise in value in an obscure alt.
That or ICOs. Those things always seem to be good money-makers if you get in on a highly-publicized one.



ICOs just seem like dumb luck as well. You don't know what's going to be a good one ahead of time. Most new coins are unnecessary, so they only amount to a pump and dump. Take a look at the coin market cap page and look at all the garbage old alts that people have previously bought into. Not good odds.
1875  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin's Next Direction 2017 Predictions on: May 17, 2017, 04:47:07 AM
This is an important juncture in the growth of bitcoin as i would like to see what steps the price would take after a really big rally.The price has shown some exhaustion after the rally and it is interesting to see whether the price will be above $1700 in the coming weeks and if they could hold those positions then we would see a good rally in coming months.

With the spam attack going on for a couple weeks now, I'm quite surprised Bitcoin continues to track upwards. At last check today, we are over 200,000 unconfirmed transactions in the mempool, and fees are shooting through the roof as people have to compete against these garbage transactions. The situation is not stable.
1876  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: May 17, 2017, 04:42:20 AM
One key factor where Bitcoin truly shines is its rarity. While gold is rare, Bitcoin is much rare because there is a limited amount of it that can come into existence. Whenever supply is restricted and demand is high, price goes up, so for me Bitcoin will continue to be a better store of value than Gold

Thinking of rarity in the way you do is meaningless

In other words, you can't possibly say that Bitcoin is rarer than gold (or the other way around). You can say that there are only 21M bitcoins (which somehow seems not a big deal) but I can easily challenge that point and claim that there are in fact 2114 satoshi which are intuitively not as rare as measly 21 million bitcoins. I hope you can see now that numbers alone taken only by themselves don't mean a lot in respect to scarcity

Denominating in satoshis instead of bitcoins hasn't done anything to make it less rare. If you count bitcoins or count satoshis, it doesn't change the amount of Bitcoin in the world or make it less rare or otherwise alter his premise. He's saying Bitcoin is valuable because it's rare and finite. Breaking a Bitcoin down into satoshis doesn't challenge either of those premises

Well, it hasn't done anything

But that should have been expected. Moreover, that was exactly my point if you didn't get it. I just wanted to show that numbers alone are meaningless. There is no abstract scarcity, i.e. you can't say if 1 is more scarce than 2, in general. So just saying (or implying) that there are over 5.5 billions of troy ounces of gold mined till now and therefore Bitcoin with its 21M of coins (and with some coins yet to be mined) is more rare (scarce) than gold is as meaningless

This second explanation was much more clear than your original, because that point definitely didn't come across the first time. Your first response didn't mention the comparison of bitcoins to gold, it only mentioned as a counter point to Bitcoin's "rarity" that 21 million coins can be divided into 21^14 satoshis, which logically doesn't make it any more or less rare than it was before.
1877  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: May 17, 2017, 04:32:27 AM
That does make some sense, but how does FH afford to be an aggregator. If they have so many inputs coming in, and they just hold coins until users withdraw, the users may only have one input when they get their payment, but the total number of inputs has not gone down, it's just that FH has to pay for them all for first collecting all the dust transactions. Someone still has to pay it, how does FH afford it?
I don't think there are any dust transactions involved. All the dust moving from the faucets to faucethub is just book money. All the small transactions of one faucet are added up at the end of the day or week and then only one large transaction goes from the faucet to the hub.
Or as a prepaid model, the faucet owner pays into his hub account and all the dust collected is deducted from this balance.

Interesting. What's in it for the aggregator then? Are they taking a scrape of transactions as a fee? I don't see how they benefit. If they are taking a cut, doesn't that increase the cost to the faucet owner above what it would be if they were running the faucet themselves?
1878  Economy / Economics / Re: Make money from money on: May 17, 2017, 04:27:01 AM
make money from his money at things we have the capital money and upbringing of money to gain!

It is a must that you should have enough money to back up and generate another money. We know that investments are doing that way, like in trading, you can earn and start to do trades if you don't have capital.

I'm sorry but how exactly are you going to trade if you didn't have any capital in the first place? There are websites that allow you to do practice trading but I don't think that's exactly what you're looking for. You're looking for something that allows you to make money from money so doing that without capital is next to impossible. Maybe you should do something more basic stuffs that don't require any capital like referring people to gambling site. If you're lucky enough, you can get a high roller and you can earn decent profits from him

As I already posted somewhere in the thread, earning capital is not a big deal really

The big deal is developing a scheme which would allow you to actually make money from money in an ever increasing amount significantly and consistently outperforming so-called risk-free rate of return. If you really find something working, you will always find enough capital, it is only a matter of time. After all, you can just borrow money, and this is what people actually do if they know what they are doing

Leverage gets plenty of people into trouble, especially investors who know what they're doing. Hedge funds run by Ph.D. whizzes are not immune to over leveraging themselves. Simply borrowing money is not the key. The risk free rate of return is a theoretical concept. It doesn't actually exist because there's no such thing as a risk free investment

Yes, shit happens and sometimes it even hits the fan

But what you say actually proves my point. Which basically comes down to claiming that finding a right scheme for making money out of money in a consistent and reliable way is a lot more difficult than just earning some amount of money. After all, a lot of people earn some buck at their daily jobs but only a few can actually make an extra buck from every buck they already have. Do you disagree with that?

No, I agree with that. My comment was an expansion on what you were saying. Some people are of the opinion that leverage is the secret to multiplying gains. Anyone can employ leverage. Not everyone can earn a return on it, and leverage when it goes wrong compounds losses greater than the sum of its parts.
1879  Economy / Economics / Re: You should never trust banks on: May 17, 2017, 04:20:31 AM
that's true banks are already up with their huge empire which is spread over whole world. its still surprises me that many people still now didn't realized about it they where just helping those evil banks with their all properties and those loans. People nowadays can stand against us if they found that we hate banks. Its not that we hate banks in true sense we just love this new monetary system which gives us freedom to do anything

And yet more than 90% of all bitcoin purchases are made by using banking services.
Kind of funny right?

Would bitcoin survive in it's current state without banks? I doubt it.
Just take a look at the price tanking when an exchange has problem with its bank accounts or deposits/withdraws.

Take a look in the other threads where people are cheering a bitcoin bank.
And they have cheered a lot in the past for a few so called "bitcoin banks" and we know how a few of them went... missing

Right on. Bitcoin has value because there is already a robust international banking system. People think Bitcoin steals value from or competes with banks, but it's actually the reverse- the banking system allows Bitcoin to have value. When the next international financial crisis happens, people will flee Bitcoin for safer assets, and the price will crash hard. Nobody is going to run to a more speculative assets when money is disappearing from the international system. That expectation is crazy

I strongly disagree with this point

And you will have a hard time defending it. Since you will have to explain not some obscure theory but harsh reality. I've been always claiming myself that ideas that the banking system (or, more specifically, the US dollar as many here assert) somehow gives Bitcoin value is outright bullshit, but that was mostly all theory. Now we see this theory proved in practice. Namely, the largest Bitcoin exchange, Bitfinex, has issues with USD deposits as well as withdrawals. In fact, you can neither deposit nor withdraw the US dollar altogether. According to your theory, Bitcoin should crash there since it is no longer supported by the US dollar, right? But we somehow see quite a different picture with Bitcoin steadily conquering new ATH's

You take a small data point and try to extrapolate it to a macro-event and then claim your narrow view of things is proof of your point. In this case, you are trying to claim that one exchange with some technical issues should sink the value of Bitcoin under my theory, which either intentionally misunderstands my point or proves you're incapable of understanding it. See if you can spot the difference between your scenario, and the idea that a robust and stable economic system allows for speculative assets to have value. If you can't understand the difference, ask someone for help. When you understand the difference, maybe you won't post nonsense. Again, to recap, Bitfinex having issues is NOT a global financial crisis, which is the point you directly responded to by quoting it.
1880  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: May 16, 2017, 03:07:39 AM
I've got an odd question, could lottery tickets technically fall under 1 satoshi if bitcoin goes high enough? I've been watching it fall from 6 -> 5 -> 4.

What would happen then?

That could technically happen if the BTC price goes over $7,500. In that case, it will be fixed at 1 satoshi for the future.

I take it based on this answer that it's a fixed conversion rate (variable based on the price of btc, but fixed vs usd)? In any event, wouldn't it still be possible for the rising price of Bitcoin to accommodate cheaper lottery tickets? A lottery ticket at 1 sat could be cheaper, for example buying 2 tickets for a satoshi, or 3 tickets for 2 sats, etc. This could also open the door for discounts on bulk purchases (buy 1,000, get 100 free!) or something like that. Bulk discounts might increase the amount of revenue generated from lotto ticket sales as people buy up to get a better deal.
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