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18781  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Uncomfortable Truth on: June 03, 2019, 09:20:23 AM
Let's do this the other way around.
Let's say that customer to merchant transactions are only 1.3% of all money transfer in the world, cards, wires,pp.
What would the rest of 98.7% be?  Grin Grin Grin
Personal transactions for relatives? Sending money to the stock market? (lols) Deposits? Sending money to your safe?  Grin Grin
I'm confused Tongue I already mentioned it's forex trading, so euro > dollar > whatever > euro > circle > around > dollar. That's the large majority of fiat money transfers. Why would that be any different than dollar > bitcoin > dollar?

Maybe you mean the number of transactions, then indeed I have no idea how many transactions are used for 5 trillion worth of forex trading per day. Automated systems could make billions of trades, or it could be just a "few".
18782  Other / Meta / Re: Discussion about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Community values. DT on: June 03, 2019, 08:30:35 AM
Even the big exchanges like Binance and Bitfinex do it.
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About 86% of the trading volume looks to be fake with 65% of that total real volume originating on Binance and Bitfinex, both of which have virtually no regulatory oversight
My interpretation is different: based on this, I'd say Binance and Bitfinex only have real trading volume, and together they handle 65% of the real market volume.
18783  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: [Vote] Next coin to be added to Stake.com & Primedice on: June 03, 2019, 08:18:15 AM
OTHER: Bitcoin LN (Lightning Network) for much lower transaction fees.
There are a few smaller casinos that support LN only, so you could be the first big one to join.
Deposits could be added to the normal Bitcoin balance, so users can opt for on-chain withdrawals for larger amounts.

With LN, you could allow even 1 satoshi withdrawals, although you may want to disable the faucet for those users.
18784  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 03, 2019, 07:56:40 AM
And what is the practical use of LN?
Cheap small transactions and fast confirmations! I've recently installed a LN-wallet, and I already made more transactions on LN than I made on Bitcoin in at least a year.
It makes small payments possible again, such as sending 0.0001 BTC with 0.0000000202 BTC fee.

I'm okay with paying a high fee for a big transaction, but I'd love to be able to use Bitcoin for small transactions too. LN allows much more users to actually use it, as 7 transactions per second can't scale up.
18785  Economy / Lending / Re: LoyceV's Legendary Little Lightning Loans on: June 03, 2019, 04:22:39 AM
@LoyceV - may I suggest explicitly stating your trust feedback policy because... you know... trust farmers.
Added:
Don't take a small loan to get positive feedback, join to try the Lightning Network Smiley


Please can I have a loan too? Thanks!
No. Only Members and higher are allowed, and your post history doesn't show anything else than applying for giveaways and loans, so you don't qualify for an exception.
18786  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Request : Where are all the Lightning Network Faucets? on: June 02, 2019, 08:06:58 PM
Is it confirmed yet?
I won't make it, I went for LoyceV's Legendary Little Lightning Loans instead.

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So if I understood correctly then if I send you BTC0.01 through LN then you will send back BTC0.03 and it could be any amount? Sounds Ponzi  Tongue
I said one satoshi, not a million Tongue I can tripple 1 satoshi all day long, a million is going to be expensive.

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I'd like to learn more about this. I haven't followed LN thing so I don't have any knowledge.
I had been reading about it for a very long time, installing a client was long overdue.
18787  Economy / Reputation / Re: Merit Abuse for spreading Bitcoin FS on: June 02, 2019, 05:32:46 PM
In the minutes before you created this topic, I reported 17 of his posts for spam. They're still Unhandled, let's see if he gets banned.

Unfortunately for him, his activity can only go up by 14 per 2 weeks. It will take over a month for him to get the required activity to be a full member
It's an old account. I didn't check exactly, but he may have posted in enough 14 day periods to have enough "potential Activity" to reach Full Member. A bit more spam and we'll know, unless he gets banned first Tongue
18788  Other / Meta / Re: Trust System Upgrade on: June 02, 2019, 03:12:34 PM
What is a custom trust list?
Basically, any change you make to your Trust list makes it "custom".
Very short summary: it decentralizes the decision power away from theymos, you can choose who's judgement on others you trust or distrust.

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Is it something that is for our own good to keep/ remove/ untrust someone in our list with a ~ and will it be seen in those users' trust ratings when I visit their profile?
Your own Trust list directly influences how you see other users' trust scores.

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And what about the original DT members?
That system changed, see DefaultTrust changes.

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If I exclude them out of my list 'for test issues', will I still see the exact trust ratings in number in their profile or will it change? I will be very thankful to someone to explain me this depth part of DT membership.
There are some infographs posted in Meta, but if you want to know all details, you'll have some reading to do.

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What is DT1, DT2, DT3 and DT4? Which one of these hold the highest power?
DT1 selects DT2 which selects DT3 which selects DT4.

If you're interested, I produced a lot of data on Trust lists.
18789  Other / Meta / Re: Percentage of Merit received on old posts, deleted posts, and average per post on: June 02, 2019, 02:34:36 PM
Time for another update on everyone's favourite foxy cyclist!

User Foxpup (full history)
  • Received a total of 470 Merit up to last Friday.
  • Received 17 Merit (3.61%) for 6 (0.19%) of 3024 posts created before the introduction of Merit (0.0056 Merit per old post).
  • Received 448 Merit (95.31%) for 120 (23.21%) of 517 posts created after the introduction of Merit (0.8665 Merit per new post).
  • Received 5 Merit (1.06%) for posts that are now deleted.

18790  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Uncomfortable Truth on: June 02, 2019, 01:50:59 PM
I wonder what Bloomberg is trying to prove here. Let's compare NASDAQ's Forex Market Overview:
The foreign exchange market is the most actively traded market in the world. More than $5 trillion are traded on average every day. By comparison, this volume exceeds global equities trading volumes by 25 times.
It sounds like Bloomberg is making up a reason why Bitcoin wouldn't be money. They could write a similar article about fiat: "only 4% of economic transactions came from merchants".

Personally, I would rather hold my bitcoin that spend it because I am looking forward that soon it can go beyond the $20,000 (or almost) reached in 2017. I am sure that am not alone with this mindset right now.
If that would be the reason to hold on to Bitcoin, traders wouldn't sell it either. But they do buy and sell all the time.
The thing that restricts me in using Bitcoin is the low acceptance, I use Bitcoin to pay whenever I can, but unfortunately that's not very often. Once more merchants accept Bitcoin, I'll use it more often.
18791  Economy / Services / Re: ✅ need ideas for a business models for a scooter rentals type ICO - FREE $$ on: June 02, 2019, 11:59:19 AM
I dont need a long document only ideas and basically to know the life CYCLE of the coins, for example, people could buy the tokens with their credit card, getting the tokens credited in their account, and each token is equal a driving time.
As a rule of thumb: if you can do something without a blockchain, you shouldn't use a blockchain.
In this case, you can just sell "hours": the user buys credit that allows him to use the scooter for a certain number of hours. A centralized database can handle this, so there's no need for a (decentralized) tokenized system.

Unless of course you want to go full-on ICO, claim you're going to disrupt the rental industry, cash a few millions, and disappear without ever completing the project. Because this cynical summary is the reality of almost every token project ever created.

As an example of a company doing something similar: Greenwheels offers subscriptions for rental cars. You can choose between several combinations of fixed fee per month, per kilometer or per hour. It allows renting a car for less than an hour, and you only pay for the time you use it. A lower fee per month means a higher fee per km, and users who use it more often can opt for a higher monthly and lower usage fee.
This works without blockchain, it's a "conventional" company which uses a "conventional" database.

One reason to use cryptographic tokens would be to allow anyone to transfer the tokens P2P in an app, but I assume you want to know who's using your scooters (for insurance purposes). That takes away the main advantage tokens could offer.

Update: If you want to pay me for this, I'll post my addy Tongue
Update: payment received.
18792  Economy / Lending / Re: LoyceV's Legendary Little Lightning Loans on: June 02, 2019, 10:59:13 AM
here is btc address:1Fq8xvcZokMFHtfvVzRov4s7VK4wh5sB1X
I've added some red font to the OP. This topic is about Lightning Loans, a payment request looks like this:
Code:
lnbc100u1pw082lmpp56a6f0dt5jwddu2q4m0q8drvn6gsg87mstl2a4edz445lrmcpvunqdpsdp68gurn8ghj7mrfva58gmnfdenj6un0w4kx2ar5v5hxxmmdcqzpgxqyp2xq8rzuaxqr5fe8y33wtduphma45tu9rqk3t55dlf7z7j47vclrhwu9q9ymwmw2qc3pmuuky5kt798x6mnynwahv00nkf42glv9p8mhgtqpu82wj4
18793  Economy / Lending / LoyceV's Legendary Little Lightning Loans Ledger on: June 02, 2019, 10:48:14 AM
LoyceV's Legendary Little Lightning Loans Ledger
1. PrimeNumber7: June 2 - June 4: 0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 100 satoshi interest Cheesy
2. thehun: June 8 - June 10: 0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 100 satoshi interest Cheesy
3. BitCryptex: June 18 - June 20: 0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 100 102 satoshi interest Cheesy
4. bitmover: June 22 - June 22: 0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 100 satoshi interest Cheesy
5. Timelord2067: July 10 - July 13: 0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 100 satoshi interest Cheesy
6. asu: August 6 - August 9: 0.1 mBTC 0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 100 satoshi interest Cheesy
7. asu: August 16 - August 23: 0.2 mBTC paid back in full with 200 satoshi interest Cheesy
8. Timelord2067: August 23 - August 23:  0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 50 satoshi interest Cheesy
9. Timelord2067: December 28 - December 30: 0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 50 satoshi interest Cheesy
10. HCP: December 30 - January 1: 0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 50 satoshi interest Cheesy
11. HCP: January 9 - January 9: 0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 50 satoshi interest Cheesy
12. Timelord2067: January 9 - January 11: 0.1 mBTC paid back in full with 50 satoshi interest Cheesy
18794  Economy / Lending / Liberated: LoyceV's Legendary Little Lightning Loans Lowered on: June 02, 2019, 10:26:25 AM
Recently, I started playing around with a Bitcoin Lightning Network wallet (Eclair).

I considered creating a Satoshi doubler thread, but Little Lightning Loans sounds much better. The main purpose of this topic is to encourage Bitcoin users to try the Lightning Network, while using it for something real (although small).
A slight warning: Since the Lightning Network is still (a bit) experimental, you shouldn't deposit more than you're willing to lose. I think of it as an investment of time in Bitcoin's (possible) future.

Loan
No collateral required.
Amount: 0.01 mBTC (0.00001 BTC, or 1,000 satoshi).
Duration: one week.
Interest: 1% (0.0001 mBTC (=0.0000001 BTC or 10 satoshi)).
Conditions: Members (and higher) without red trust on DT2 all account ranks can apply.

To apply
1. Make sure you have inbound capacity.
2. Post a Bitcoin Lightning Network payment request for 0.01 mBTC. Make sure it doesn't expire too soon (in case I'm not online).
Repayment
3. When you want to pay back, let me know and I'll post a payment request.

Disclaimer
Self-moderated to stop spam from users who don't read and ask for a on-chain Bitcoin loan.
I reserve the right to reject or accept users as I please.
This topic is experimental, if it works out I might add Larger Lightning Loans later.
Don't take a small loan to get positive feedback, join to try the Lightning Network Smiley

Challenge
Help me add more sensible words (starting with an L) to the title Cheesy
18795  Other / Meta / Re: A wave of bans: 400 yesterday, 300 the day before. What changed? on: June 01, 2019, 08:23:03 PM
I had assumed that the bot will go through 1 to 2601082 accounts and will check every post to find plagiarism.
That's half a billion posts.   Shocked
Your msgID was 51311881 (51,311,881). That's "only" 51 million posts Tongue

If Vod is correct about the number of posts, that would mean taking over 5,000 days assuming one post was checked per second.
You can download one page (up to 20 posts) per second. In ideal circumstances this would take just a month, in reality probably 2 months.

Still a quadrillion pairs just to crosscheck post-to-post copies inside the forum so good luck to anyone attempting that.
I've looked at it before, finding duplicate posts wasn't that hard. The problem was the very large number of BS-posts like "good project". It's not plagiarism, it's useless, but there are far too many similar posts to manually report them all.

I think a combination of checksum with Linux commands "sort" and "uniq" can be used to find exact duplicates pretty fast. That solves the problem of a quadrillion checks as it'll use a well tested and very fast sorting algorithm. If someone can get me 51 million posts (excluding quotes and probably smileys), I'll give it a try.
18796  Other / Meta / Re: A wave of bans: 400 yesterday, 300 the day before. What changed? on: June 01, 2019, 07:35:12 PM
He also has been able to produce the specific posts that have been reported when people are asking about their ban.
I assume hilariousandco can just view all reports, which makes it easy to find the specific post.
18797  Other / Meta / Re: Proposal - Upgrade of the rank system on: June 01, 2019, 04:53:41 PM
I don't feel that way. If there's going to be a new rank above Legendary, I expect to need at least 1.5 years (@2k Activity) or 4.5 years (@3k Activity) before I reach that.
Why should time even be relevant to this?
Thirdspace gave a good example: nullius! He made great posts and made many posts per week, but was active for less than 5 months. Staying for many years shows prolonged dedication.

I'm just saying that since 90%+ of users reach activity before merit, the activity barrier is somewhat redundant.
It's probably closer to 99.9% of all users, but I see your point Tongue
18798  Local / Konu Dışı / Re: Türk lokal forumu için DT üyeleri seçiyoruz on: June 01, 2019, 03:44:43 PM
Forgive the English
Forgive my English too, and feel free to delete this (or translate a summary).

I ended up in this topic based on this list.

I appreciate users promoting custom Trust lists. The reason I'm posting here: EFS for instance can't be elected for DT1 as long as he doesn't add 10 users to his own Trust list:
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Trust list for: EFS (Trust: 40: -0 / +4) (187 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-06-01_Sat_14.47h)
Back to index

EFS Trusts:
1. theymos (Trust: 211: -0 / +22) (DT1! (49) 4686 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Cyrus (Trust: 86: -0 / +9) (DT1! (27) 121 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

I've included most of the DT1-criteria in my Rank up pipeline. PHI1618 for instance qualifies to be elected for DT1.
18799  Other / Meta / Re: Users who Created or Wiped their Trust list - weekly data on: June 01, 2019, 03:32:49 PM
Many users created a new Trust list in the past week:
Week 20 (2019-06-01_Sat_14.47h)
NEW 87930: bitserve (Trust: 5: -0 / +1) (483 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 102409: 2run (Trust: neutral) (28 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 152486: by rallier (Trust: neutral) (276 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 154563: Cloudbet (Trust: 18: -0 / +3) (84 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 176461: Lydian (Trust: neutral) (50 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 181858: ziya1453 (Trust: awaiting update) (14 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 301691: coldfusion (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 308331: luckydag (Trust: awaiting update) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 383583: Dogedarkdev (Trust: awaiting update) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 507856: LeGaulois (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (DT1! (8) 606 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 511692: BitcoinTurk (Trust: neutral) (261 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 553724: JaredKaragen (Trust: awaiting update) (48 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 666783: Halmater (Trust: awaiting update) (70 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 947291: Polar91 (Trust: awaiting update) (115 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1018510: Matthias9515 (Trust: neutral) (368 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1046135: AlyattesLydia (Trust: neutral) (306 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1060346: trhomeagent (Trust: awaiting update) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1170966: dragonvslinux (Trust: awaiting update) (22 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1246094: Fickle-Friend (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1744410: rumblesix (Trust: awaiting update) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1831671: ugurum15 (Trust: awaiting update) (13 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1839607: lehuyaxib1 (Trust: awaiting update) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 2119275: omer-jamal (Trust: awaiting update) (141 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 2221613: FontSeli (Trust: neutral) (125 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 2354967: rattle_rattle (Trust: awaiting update) (25 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 2396656: ScarletSunshine (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 2589017: AeritaliaCoin (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Wiped 32586: rihannafully Banned! (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Wiped 2542787: N0sferatu (Trust: 0: -0 / +1) (51 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
What's interesting, is that many users on this list included several of the same users. EFS for instance now has 9 new inclusions, but since he only has 2 inclusions on his own Trust list, he can't be elected for DT1. Note: EFS is a Staff member and had many inclusions already.
This seems to be based on Türk lokal forumu için DT üyeleri seçiyoruz (Google Translate: "We choose DT members for the Turkish local forum").

I didn't expect a "local election" to pop up on my list of newly created Trust lists :D
Note that this is exactly how the system is intended to work, so this (alone) shouldn't be a reason to start excluding users.
18800  Other / Meta / Re: [Update delayed] LoyceV's Trust list viewer - Create your own Trust list! on: June 01, 2019, 03:00:46 PM
And when do we get to see the "Saturday morning newspaper"?  Cry
It'll be an evening edition. This update is uploading now:
(navigation at the top will take about 8 more hours to complete)

I fixed ğºŞæ's Trust list, but the fix is for HTML only. BBCode isn't used often, and since it only involves a few users, I won't fix this:
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Trust list for: ðºþæ (Trust: awaiting update) (32 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
If someone needs it, they can manually edit the username.
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