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There has to be some way to figure out fair distribution...
No, there does not have to be any "fair" anything. The jurisdiction is Japanese bankruptcy law which, near as I can tell, is byzantine, rigid, and glacial. Creditors will get whatever the courts say they get, fairness will have nothing to do with it. Helrow you fucking purposefully misrepresenting goofball. I don't know why you feel that you have some goal in life to purposefully twist what I said and to come off with your patronizing bullshit to try to say that I am saying something that I am not. You believe that I am saying that there has to be a just outcome in this particular case, and I am not saying that. I am merely asserting that there are fair ways to figure out distribution of assets that would closely make regular investors closer to whole. I am not saying that there is going to be a fair outcome in this particular case nor that the court has to follow a fair outcome in this particular, even though it is possible to achieve some semblance of such a fair outcome. In my earlier post, I did not even discuss what the court is actually likely to do, so you are putting ideas into my post in order to attempt to suggest that I have some kind of naive fairness perspective that is going to win the day, and I did not say that. My expectation is similar to what you have stated above that the court is going to do whatever the fuck they want and protect whatever principles they believe in protecting, which is not likely going to be the regular investors (users who had money on the exchange), even though there are likely fair ways to distribute value that would protect and make closer to whole regular investors. |
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As somebody that spends a good proportion of their waking life on a Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion but doesn't like opposing views to their own, and somebody that edits out their own quotes but misquotes others, somebody that asks for reasons why the 3k prediction, and when reasons are presented to them (15% of ATH lows historically), ignores the very simple response to the question, do you feel your defending some grand principal, or are you just a cunt? Because if i were to say "probably 100k by Christmas'' you wouldn't bat an eyelid. Your fervor is funny at best and a little unsettling at worst, why don't you spend some time with the kids or friends or the wife/girlfriend/partner etc. I visit this thread maybe once a week during the volatile periods and once a month in the quieter times. Do you not have anything better to do then spend hours a day, bursting blood vessels and foaming at the mouth over strangers best guesses on a forum? You are just making up shit, and filling space with nonsensical claims. You seem to want to compete with me in the BTC price prediction arena, when I already told you several times that I don't do BTC price predictions beyond saying 50% or 60% here and there and largely predicting one leg at a time with 60% being a stronger level prediction if I make, while at the same time, I employ a methodology that largely attempts to prepare for BTC price movements in either directions. As I recall, in my posts with you, I was merely asserting that you failed and refused to substantiate your absolutism bullshit and wishful prediction claims beyond merely asserting them as if you are some kind of deity. So furthermore after I called you on your failure and refusal to back up your claims, you falsely proclaim that I am making predictions when I am not. I ongoingly tell you that I am not making predictions or attempting to but preparing for BTC price moves in either direction, but you continue to distract from your stupid ass failure to substantiate your dumb ass absolutist claims by asserting that I am not backing up mine.. what a bunch of bullshit and you further claiming with your false narrative that you must have better insight into bitcoin's price dynamics (and perhaps life as a whole and other implications that you are a superior being  ), because you have other supposedly normal hobbies. Accordingly, you are coming off as an dizzy insecure retarded dweeb more than anything. Regarding my editing out of my own text, I sometimes engage in that practice to save space, and I perceive that there is frequently no need to repeat content when it can be easily linked back to. You want to make long additions to walls of text for no fucking reason, you goofball? I am not purposefully editing any substance or attempting to convolute any references you fucking grasping at straws gooftard. |
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(YuTü.Co.in has also discovered evidence that I am Satoshi and Gilligan—likely a few others, too.)
Yeah, but I ran across a baby pic of you, which was a wee bit embarrassing.  Like with God, we can make nullius into our image.  Anybody have a 6X beaver buckskin shoe that nullius could borrow to don on his crown for a selfie? I came across one of nullius's baby pictures.  |
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I'm impressed how the market absorbed all those Goxx coins, especially at the 6k-7k range.
Bullish AF!
Yeah, but I believe that GOX started with 200k BTC, and over the past 3 months, they sold about 35k BTC.. which is hardly a blip in BTC's trading volume... I think that there is fear about what they are going to do with the other 165k BTC, right? Which I doubt that they are going to announce before they do anything, such as sell, right? At this point the MtGox trustee has almost sold enough coins to cover the entire set of claims in JPY which were made back in 2014. I believe this is what he needs to do to cover his companies ass, once he has funds to cover all claims he doesn't need to sell any more. In fact there's a whole load of creditors who specifically don't want him to sell any more as we want the funds back in Bitcoin when the eventual payout comes. Paying out in bitcoin seems to be the most fair to the extent that you had bitcoins there, and I am sure that there is a record of how your assets were held at the time that GOX went off line. I know that it was also unfair because GOX went off line when the price for BTC was a bit more than $100 on GOX while it was something like $600 across other exchanges There has to be some way to figure out fair distribution. Even if you had 100 bitcoins and $1,000 on the exchange at the time that they closed, but if they say that in dollars they reimburse you 65% of your dollar holdings (which would be $650) and in bitcoins they reimburse you 38% of your bitcoin holdings (which would be 38 BTC), you would still come out in a much better position than if they convert all of that to some fiat value that is based on the GOX BTC price at the time of the closing, which was an artificially low price anyhow, even at that particular time. |
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That is part of my point that alia is not in a position to be dictating various terms of the process,
Exactly. (I began to assemble the foregoing before your most recent posts, which explained the matter rather well. It took me awhile to actually get this posted...) Fair enough and overlapping thoughts regarding what a lot of members are likely to consider a very feasible and reasonable position, and that is if any trusted member were to be established (or let's say appointed by theymos), then likely that member would have a decent amount of wide discretion to determine what would be reasonable and acceptable in any kind of possible video interview with alia... including the likely fact that the trusted member would describe the terms in which s/he would expect alia to comply, and if alia does not comply, then likely she is going to fail the test... easy peasy.. she does not dictate what constitutes reasonable and adequate compliance, the trusted member would. |
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How can anyone prove that Alia is a female? other than seeing a passport with her name on it we have nothing solid enough to "prove" she is who she says she is and even if we could - so fucking what?
dirty shitcunt scam whore just needs to fuck off - or get banned for attempted doxing
At this point it seems like an attempted doxing and an implied threat of doxing. |
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To hell with Skype man. Anyone up for a quick little vacation in Singapore? I have heard it's pretty nice over there. Any volunteers for checking out that Alia dude in person?
Minimally, would need a wig, raincoat and sunglasses for that kind of a project. |
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Where do I sign up for a 65% discount sale?
The sale already happened.. .... don't you remember about 1 month ago - $5,920? Maybe you cannot remember because the sale was 70% rather than 65%? You guys play blindman's bluff until the cows come home. My eyes are wide open
The chickens come home to roost... fuck the cow. They can stay in the pastures and fend for themselves, or get eaten by bears.  You guys play blindman's bluff until the cows come home. My eyes are wide open
When did you flip from hodl to panic? lol If u did not get the memo, Rosewater is on constant trigger panic alert. It's a full-time status for him, and any BTC price move of greater than 2.83% is going to nearly put him into the cupboards, with chocolate on his face. Wait, is that chocolate? |
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If my brother wishes to comment on how he planned to prove that he was a girl, then he will do so. Personally, I don't see how any boy can fool a live interview. My voice is probably the most girly there is, and I'll appear on camera with my face cut off. Anyone can sell ewhore packs and put on fake videos on Skype, which is likely what many people do, but a live interview with specific questions directed towards me? That I answer in my own voice live on camera? Pretty solid evidence right there. Skype is easy and it's what I use. I'm not asking you to use it, you're not trusted enough. I'd prefer someone trusted to do it, thanks anyway Even if you can get a "trusted" member to concede to using skype with you, I doubt that any "trusted" member would agree to allowing you to set terms, especially in such a way that your face is not viewable, because part of the whole point would be to verify you as a person including your facial expressions when asked questions and verifying various information that the trusted member would attempt to live verify with you and things like that. Also, I doubt that you would be allowed to chose who is the trusted member doing such a speculated video interview, unless there is some kind of obvious conflict of interest or some kind of past interaction with you that kind of shows potential problems with any particular trusted member, of course you could state your objections but that might not rule the day if you want such a favor (not favour) as to attempting a video verification of you. Further, remember earlier that there was a bit of an exchange between you, me and suchmoon attempting to figure out what you had meant by "one way verification," and that was contemplated as a kind of video interaction in which you would be in the video, but the "trusted member" would not be in any video because there is would be no need for the trusted member to be in such video since s/he is not the one who is being verified (you and possibly your brother would be). I guess part of my point here is that if any trusted member would be ready, willing and able to do this verifification thingie-ma-jiggie, then the trusted member would be attempting to set the terms of the interview and not you, but it seems questionable either whether at this time, any such video interview would help to establish anything useful to the forum and/or whether there would be any such video interview process that would be sufficiently comfortable that a trusted member would be willing to employ for any speculated video identity verification process. Earlier, you seemed to concede that a video interview would not really help to fix anything, but now you are back on the video interview idea - and seeming even to convolute terms, such as asserting that your face would not be visible, which seems like a real deal breaker, to me, even if there could be some agreement that a video could be helpful in some regards in this matter. Face not being visible makes no difference. If myself and my brother's bodies are visible, and my voice, clearly a girl's, is answering questions, it should be sufficient. I'm not choosing the member, I just want the member to be trusted (aka dark green trust)ibpminer is light green trust tho That is part of my point that alia is not in a position to be dictating various terms of the process, including whatever level of greenishness that she believes to be adequate or other terms such as obscuring her or her brother's face. Sure, if some "trusted" member were to hypothetically agree to video interview her /and brother on such terms then the trusted member may be agreeing to jeopardizing his/her own abilities to exercise sufficient and adequate scrutinies in such a identity verification process - if such were to occur. |
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If my brother wishes to comment on how he planned to prove that he was a girl, then he will do so. Personally, I don't see how any boy can fool a live interview. My voice is probably the most girly there is, and I'll appear on camera with my face cut off. Anyone can sell ewhore packs and put on fake videos on Skype, which is likely what many people do, but a live interview with specific questions directed towards me? That I answer in my own voice live on camera? Pretty solid evidence right there. Skype is easy and it's what I use. I'm not asking you to use it, you're not trusted enough. I'd prefer someone trusted to do it, thanks anyway Even if you can get a "trusted" member to concede to using skype with you, I doubt that any "trusted" member would agree to allowing you to set terms, especially in such a way that your face is not viewable, because part of the whole point would be to verify you as a person including your facial expressions when asked questions and verifying various information that the trusted member would attempt to live verify with you and things like that. Also, I doubt that you would be allowed to chose who is the trusted member doing such a speculated video interview, unless there is some kind of obvious conflict of interest or some kind of past interaction with you that kind of shows potential problems with any particular trusted member, of course you could state your objections but that might not rule the day if you want such a favor (not favour) as to attempting a video verification of you. Further, remember earlier that there was a bit of an exchange between you, me and suchmoon attempting to figure out what you had meant by "one way verification," and that was contemplated as a kind of video interaction in which you would be in the video, but the "trusted member" would not be in any video because there is would be no need for the trusted member to be in such video since s/he is not the one who is being verified (you and possibly your brother would be). I guess part of my point here is that if any trusted member would be ready, willing and able to do this verifification thingie-ma-jiggie, then the trusted member would be attempting to set the terms of the interview and not you, but it seems questionable either whether at this time, any such video interview would help to establish anything useful to the forum and/or whether there would be any such video interview process that would be sufficiently comfortable that a trusted member would be willing to employ for any speculated video identity verification process. Earlier, you seemed to concede that a video interview would not really help to fix anything, but now you are back on the video interview idea - and seeming even to convolute terms, such as asserting that your face would not be visible, which seems like a real deal breaker, to me, even if there could be some agreement that a video could be helpful in some regards in this matter. |
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I'm impressed how the market absorbed all those Goxx coins, especially at the 6k-7k range.
Bullish AF!
Yeah, but I believe that GOX started with 200k BTC, and over the past 3 months, they sold about 35k BTC.. which is hardly a blip in BTC's trading volume... I think that there is fear about what they are going to do with the other 165k BTC, right? Which I doubt that they are going to announce before they do anything, such as sell, right? |
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Well 2018 turned out to be a shitty year for bitcoin
Yeah such a shitty year, and so short, too. I cannot believe how fast it has gone by. As you get older, years seem to go by faster and faster. Seems like it has been only a couple of months and 2018 is already over... Fuck!!!!! Edit: ah hah!!!!!!!! I see that olseh beat my post by 7 seconds. |
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This is so tough to get merits.. unless you are in CLAN.
I think It will be years for me to become next rank and a decade to become hero member status.. I remember Lufthansa's miles and more loyality program status levels of blue silver gold and senator levels..it's tough..but at least one can earn points by own money and efforts.but here it's someone's perception on your actions. One good part is that this merit system teach people how to beg😂😂😂😂😂for something.
Don't beg. Join a clan, - the CCC. Clue Clox Clan. I'm sure they will like you in spite of your seeming pessimism. |
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Well this is good to hear that there will be some oversight, something like smerit decay would certainly take care of a lot of issues. In recent weeks theymos has not said very much about any of his assessments or reassessments of the merit system, but his whole approach to this merit matter has not gone without reflections about the various impacts on member posting activities. I don't think that theymos is very hot on the idea of merit decay, but it does remain in his thinking and here is the post where he mentions merit decay as a possible way to incentivize smerit spending. |
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It turns out that it was quite expensive to maintain that data, and people have complained about it previously as a privacy concern, so it's likely to stay disabled for a long time, at least.
Was it the same kind of thinking that caused the disabling of the ability to scan through a list of all members? Now, we have to look up members one by one, we cannot just scan through a list of everyone to see user name, rank, relative number of posts, registration date and similar general information. Dude, just drop it! If theymos says it's too expensive to maintain, then it's too expensive to maintain. Why don't you just go and comment on the tens of thousands of posts pertaining to the Merit thingy and user alia, of which are not too expensive to maintain such data. So dude.. .are you asserting that who's online and display of all members in the search for members is the same feature? That was my question. Regarding your assessment and seeming recommendation of how I should spend my forum posting time... whoaza!!!! I did not realize that you had so much pent up emotion about such a topic..  In your utmost wisdom regarding my productive use of forum time, is there any specific other post that you believe to be moar deserving of my undivided attention, rather than this one? |
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I will say that you do not have to wait for any kind of leg anywhere before you start to implement any such semblance of a JJG strategy.
Well I can hardly start stacking sells at the bottom. Can I? Bottom? We were at merely $5873 pert near exactly one month ago. So really, that's that. We're heading back down. This is the general consensus. Don't you have a tendency to assign a high probability to down... a kind of ongoing shell shock? and your assessment of consensus seems to ejaculate at the train/rocket station prematurely. |
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It turns out that it was quite expensive to maintain that data, and people have complained about it previously as a privacy concern, so it's likely to stay disabled for a long time, at least.
Was it the same kind of thinking that caused the disabling of the ability to scan through a list of all members? Now, we have to look up members one by one, we cannot just scan through a list of everyone to see user name, rank, relative number of posts, registration date and similar general information. |
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once i received merit and my rank is upgraded if i send full/partial smerit to other will my rank downgrade are there any conditions on that
No you will no downgraded there i no conditions on this  SMerit is used to reward other members, it could increase by half once you receive it from others and decrease when you sent it. Merit doesn't decrease, it only increases so don't worry about it for the moment. How do you give/award SMerit? Is it the +Merit button on each post? I'll still not 100% getting it tbh. Yes, just click +Merit Button and chose how many sMerit you would like to give. You do not lose Merit when giving sMerit. Thanks for explaining I tested it out Or wasted some depending on which way you look at it. I realise it said it on the next page about SMerit and had just never seen that page before  Thanks anyway, enjoy your well deserved 1 point of smerit. Thank you. I will make good use of it awarding good posts I hope you do, better than me at least! I'm already feeling like I wasted that one on a medicore post, no offence. Could of just done a bit more reading and learnt that. You were awarded it due to my stupidity and laziness. I got rid of the rest as I realized I couldn't trusted with it. That explains why sometimes the rich are more deserving than the poor.. hahahahahaha O.k. dragonvslinux, just go out there and attempt to make good quality posts, go to threads that are interesting to you, read through the thread, ask interesting questions and have fun by engaging in the forum, and little by little you will likely earn some merits, which will cause you to also have some smerits in your bank. I know that forum policy does discourage hoarding of smerits, but perhaps you might want to attempt to earn something like 20 merits, and then you will have 10 smerits in your bank, and then whenever you earn more smerits, then spend them while attempting to maintain a 5-10 smerit reserve - each of us can create our own smerit banking policies in that regard (can you tell that I don't like the word, "hoarding", but instead prefer to refer to it as maintaining an smerit bank savings?). I'm not convinced your initial statement is true, I only wasted 1 smerit, I'll survive! That doesn't make me less deserving Right off the bat, it appears that in this portion of my comment, you are taking such comment way too personally and reading too much into an off-the-cuff observation that I am making.. that may or may not be true from your own personal perspective and experiences. I've been making quality posts for sometime now, I don't have an issue overall with the merit system, my critique was just of hoarders. I prefer to just engage in discussions that interest me in an attempt to have some interesting conversation or learn something, I don't want to "go out there" and "earn some merits" as you put it.
Go out there and earning merits gives you smerits to spend... so if you want smerits then you have to earn some merits. As you acknowledge, it remains optional regarding whether you want to earn merits or not (or even if you need to in order to have decent forum experiences), but if you want to have some smerits, the most likely way that you are going to be able to cause that to happen is by going out there and causing others to send merits to you. I don't think people should engage in the merit system like this personally. If discussions interest you you should engage because you want to, not because you're trying to earn merit. This attitude won't earn you merit either, or at least it shouldn't in my opinion.
To each their own, and I don't have any real beef with you, here. Likely the best way to earn merits and to be comfortable with yourself is just to participate in threads that are already of interest to you.. and if you provide decent post quality, it seems that sooner or later you are going to end up earning some merits.. whether you want them or not. By the way, I don't really need merits to rank up or anything like that, but it still does feel good to receive recognition on some idea(s) that I put time and effort into posting.. It can be considered like icing on the cake.. not necessary, but kind of like a bonus. Holding 5-10 smerit reserve totally makes sense, as does holding even 5-10% as you never know when you want to merit something quite a lot as a matter of urgency or something. I was talking about the active members with over 100 or 1,000 that haven't given out any smerit. I can compile a list if this interests you more.
This merit system is still in its infancy stage, - only a bit more than a month old, and there are some members who likely have not given too much thought to it or even know what it is.. .So, it could take a bit of time for members to become cognizant of the system and how to use it. Even though we do not know exactly whether or how theymos is going to tweak this merit system, it seems likely that he is going to tweak it at various points in the future, and he even made such statements about tweaking.. including suggesting that he may consider ways to incentivize the spending of smerits by decaying them if not spent, even though simultaneously he seems to acknowledge that spending smerits remains a discretionary and subjective matter that he will allow as largely unpoliced. |
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I will say that you do not have to wait for any kind of leg anywhere before you start to implement any such semblance of a JJG strategy.
Well I can hardly start stacking sells at the bottom. Can I? First: how do you know that we are at any kind of bottom? Yeah, sure we went down in the past couple of days, so therefore there has been a buying opportunity for those who had been selling on the way up. On a personal note, my last sell orders were filled in the $11,350 arena ** (and there were several close to $11,700, but none of them were filled). Therefore, in my current set up, I started buying at $10,700, and so I bought a few times down to $9,700... But whenever my buy orders filled, I reset my sell orders, so therefore, even though my sell orders hav not filled yet, they are starting around $10,350 and going back up the chain.. Second: By stating that you start right away, I am not asserting that you should rush anything. Instead, I am saying that there is no reason to wait to implement the strategy by placing the orders on both sides... and even if your sell orders might not have executed, yet, they are already in place. Third: Sure, there is a certain level of stick-to-itness with any strategy and to keep your orders in place once you set them; however, there is nothing wrong with rethinking your whole approach from time to time. Sometimes, I will go through my whole order book and tweak it a little bit here and there.. sometimes, I will make the increments larger or smaller and other times I will make the amounts larger or smaller, and sometimes my tweaking is just based on personal comfort level adjustments, and other times, I tweak because I feel a bit of a tingling feeling in respect to one price direction or another, but most of the time, when I tweak, I do not take BIG actions, because I had already set up a system that feels pretty comfortable to me, so any kind of tweaking is usually not a major change that will cause me to feel more in sync or more in balance with my then current sentiments. ____________________________ ** Note: I am rounding these trading numbers for ease of reference. Almost never do I set any orders at exactly round numbers.. if the price is going down, I will set my buy orders, slightly above any round number, and if the price is going up, I will set my sell orders slightly below any round number. |
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can someone lend me $1000000 ? I promise to pay you back double in 6 months
haha nice ... nice deal on both sides  $20k in 6 months is absurd. There I said it. Next leg up I start implementing the JJG strategy. hahahahahaha... Yeah right... I will believe it when I see it. By the way, your mere statement of your proposed plan shows that you have a somewhat inconsistent interpretation of the alleged "JJG strategy"... I will say that you do not have to wait for any kind of leg anywhere before you start to implement any such semblance of a JJG strategy. The main thing is that if you feel that you are too stretched in BTC or dollars in one direction or another, you reduce your trading amounts to smaller than usual in order that you are always practicing the JJG strategy semblance.. In other words, you do not wait for any kind of leg before you begin.... and you start right away.... such starting might involve incrementalism, that is not gambling, is tailored to your situation, and should not cause emotional anxiety regarding preferred BTC price direction. I can already foresee... I followed "the JJG strategy" and I got fucked. hahahhahaha [edited out]
pl don't talk us all to death as well as him EXACTLY, V8ie. Any semblance of a "real" JJG strategy is going to have to involve "meaningful" renditions. I think that you are onto me. |
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