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1921  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Online trading bot with Bitcoin-bot.com on: September 10, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
No it's not you'll loose your coins if you purchase.


thanks, in the meantime i found this: https://cryptotrader.org/
1922  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: September 10, 2013, 02:48:23 AM
Um mal einen jungen Klassiker zu zitieren:

Daily-Kerze ist im Überkauftbereich auf dem RSI geschlossen.
Noch 1 oder 2 (oder 0) Rallys und wir sollten eine grössere Kurskorrektur haben ODER die Blase beginnt hier.

Es könnte aber auch sein, dass es noch 1 oder 2 (oder 0) weiter nach oben geht. Oder -1 oder -2 (oder 0) fällt. Oder die Blase direkt wieder platzt. Oder wieder beginnt. Ich glaube fest an letzteres, wenn der Trend sich nicht dreht oder die Daily-Kerze in der Trendumkehr erlischt.


Häh? Ist das jetzt ne Kritik weil die Korrektur nicht ganz so gross war? Sie ist doch eindeutig eingetroffen, wenn ich auch mehr erwartet hatte; aber jetzt sind wir auch nicht mehr überkauft auf dem Daily.
Desweiteren ist im Moment gar nichts entschieden. Das ganze Geschehen ist im Moment ziemlich verrückt. Ich glaube aber das jetzt der starke Support bei 130 hält (die wichtigste Suport/Resitenz Linie der lezten 2 Wochen)
1923  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: September 06, 2013, 06:57:35 PM

one thing is not clear to me:



I have a stop loss at, let's say 120.00

when Bitstamp highest bid is at, let's say 120.20.....A Bitfinex order at 120.00 is above that, and so my stop will be triggered


now the question; If I route my stop to Bitfinex, in the case above my stop get's triggered? Or only once there is a highest Bitstamp bid at 120.00?


up, number 2



I realy need an answer to this, as I put my stop losses over/under order walls....Would be fatal to have stop loss triggered before that specific wall falls

Hello capoeira,

In both case, no matter the routing, the stop loss will be triggered by the ticker bid. So even if you route to BFX at stop loss order at 120, if there is a bitstamp bid at 120.2, your stop loss won't be triggered.

Let me know if it answers the questions
Best regards
Raphael
Bitfinex team


I actually meant "routed to Stamp"....but I guess my question is answered anyways
1924  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: September 05, 2013, 10:41:35 PM
ohne zu gauben das man danach traden sollte....ziemlich interessant:

öhm lol ok Smiley


Meine Wirtschaftstheoriekenntnisse sind schon etwas eingestaubt, gibt es dafür einen anderen Begriff als "zyklisch"? Wodurch kann das kommen?
Ich meine nicht der Sprung im Wert, sondern den fast identische Kurs(Kurven)verlauf.

Ich hab mich letztes Jahr leider nicht wirklich um die Bitcoinentwicklung gekümmert, aber war die allgemeine Entwicklung der Märkte so ähnlich?

Oben bis Anfang Juli und unten bis Ende Oktober, sind beide Blasen disem typischem Blasenmodel gefolgt:



danach hat sich einfach wieder der auf Long-Term SIcht stets bullische Bitcointrend fortgesetzt. Massen handeln halt immer nach bestimmten Mustern.
1925  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: September 05, 2013, 08:10:35 PM
ohne zu gauben das man danach traden sollte....ziemlich interessant:

1926  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: September 05, 2013, 02:05:09 PM
Thank you all, I don't think I have any reason to not trust Bitfinex.

I don't know how experienced you are, Tamis. I would suggest to trade with 10% of your Bitcoins only, for a start. And maybe with a token amount only until you figure out how all those functions work. They are all well documented, but you still has to wrap your head around them. And then there are details, like for example "what lending gets automatically closed when I sell?" which you simply have to try out. With 0.01 BTC for example.
So, no, I don't see BitFinex as the risk here, we ourselves are the risk for our Bitcoins ;-)

Seeing how bullish the market is I don't think I really risk anything at the time being !  I went to Bitfinex to get stop orders I couldn't use on Bitstamp.
I entered at 86$ stop is a 123ish.

Nice! :-)

Question about stop-loss in general:
Lets say I have a large volume margin position, and enter a stop loss. When exactly is it executed? Like, for example, stop loss at 123, at a volume of 1000 BTC? There would not be enough volume at 123. Would the system start at 126 BTC/USD exchange rate, so it closed the position when reaching 123? Or would it start closing at 123, which might not finish selling until the exchange rate dropped to 120?



Ente

Ente

The stop loss would be triggered at 123 USD, more specifically if the bid is at 123 for a sell stop, if the ask is at 123 for a buy stop.
So yes, you can have some slippage if the order is large enough, because it's impossible to calculate the depth beforehand.

I hope that helps

Have a good sunday

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team



one thing is not clear to me:



I have a stop loss at, let's say 120.00

when Bitstamp highest bid is at, let's say 120.20.....A Bitfinex order at 120.00 is above that, and so my stop will be triggered


now the question; If I route my stop to Bitfinex, in the case above my stop get's triggered? Or only once there is a highest Bitstamp bid at 120.00?


up, number 2



I realy need an answer to this, as I put my stop losses over/under order walls....Would be fatal to have stop loss triggered before that specific wall falls
1927  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Aktueller Kursverlauf aus Sicht der technischen (auch fundamen.) Chartanalyse on: September 05, 2013, 03:51:57 AM



Daily-Kerze ist im Überkauftbereich auf dem RSI geschlossen.
Noch 1 oder 2 (oder 0) Rallys und wir sollten eine grössere Kurskorrektur haben ODER die Blase beginnt hier





was hab ich gesagt?
1928  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to backup Google Authenticator? on: September 05, 2013, 02:09:38 AM
You often aren't given the secret key to copy and paste so a common way is to screenshot that qrcode or take a photo. The thing is, you have to remember to do this on logon and you're punching an unencrypted backup through the system.

The whole thing is a disaster waiting to happen. It got me when my phone got stolen and it's caught many others out too. There should be an encrypted backup solution for Google Authenticator. It's just because it's intended for use with Google and usually gmail - there you have all the backup options - paper codes, phone, SMS.

Using Google Authenticator for third party things is fine but really I think gox and all these sites should tell people they should backup and print or backup and encrypt the qrcode.

And wouldn't you know it Google has just updated their Authenticator iphone app and all my tokens are gone after the update. WTF?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh

Anyone else?


only afected I-Phone...there is a topic here (with recover manual) search it

Yes I said it's an iphone app issue. Care to make yourself useful and post a link to the topic "with recover manual"?


google is your friend:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=287459.msg3077955#msg3077955
1929  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to backup Google Authenticator? on: September 04, 2013, 11:22:34 PM
You often aren't given the secret key to copy and paste so a common way is to screenshot that qrcode or take a photo. The thing is, you have to remember to do this on logon and you're punching an unencrypted backup through the system.

The whole thing is a disaster waiting to happen. It got me when my phone got stolen and it's caught many others out too. There should be an encrypted backup solution for Google Authenticator. It's just because it's intended for use with Google and usually gmail - there you have all the backup options - paper codes, phone, SMS.

Using Google Authenticator for third party things is fine but really I think gox and all these sites should tell people they should backup and print or backup and encrypt the qrcode.

And wouldn't you know it Google has just updated their Authenticator iphone app and all my tokens are gone after the update. WTF?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh

Anyone else?


only afected I-Phone...there is a topic here (with recover manual) search it
1930  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to backup Google Authenticator? on: September 04, 2013, 04:51:33 PM
You can also not only backup the code, but as well as run google authenticator on your windows pc.

http://code.google.com/p/gauth4win/downloads/list
Won't this defeat the purpose to have 2FA in the first place?

Yes unless what he means is a dedicated offline machine used for nothing but generating the authentication codes.


why is that? if you get hacked you are lost anyways (shouldn't run Windows at all).
2FA is to protect you against password hacks
1931  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] 1Broker.com - Trade forex, indices, stocks and commodities on: September 03, 2013, 11:47:01 PM


what will happen with open positions by the time of the switch?
If the price stays at 135 they will loose (Leverage*0.78)% of their value.


You will probably give a warning with the exact date/time in the page before, won't you?
1932  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] 1Broker.com - Trade forex, indices, stocks and commodities on: September 03, 2013, 06:03:20 PM
+400% on spread of BTC/USD? what kind of step is this?

what will happen with open positions by the time of the switch?
Meh, You can always switch to 796 (close all opening orders every weekend), or btc.sx (daily fees)


i tried btc.sx 2 times, and never could open a position



796 isn't CFD is it?
796  works similarly, just that those orders are not traded with the site but other peers on 796. Works similar to 1broker, 1:4 on Short and 1:2 on Long, closes order every weekend 2350 GMT+8


I did have had a look at this before, but didn't understood nothing.. lol

will have another look at it, thanks
1933  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] 1Broker.com - Trade forex, indices, stocks and commodities on: September 03, 2013, 05:25:17 PM
+400% on spread of BTC/USD? what kind of step is this?

what will happen with open positions by the time of the switch?
Meh, You can always switch to 796 (close all opening orders every weekend), or btc.sx (daily fees)


i tried btc.sx 2 times, and never could open a position



796 isn't CFD is it?
1934  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] 1Broker.com - Trade forex, indices, stocks and commodities on: September 03, 2013, 05:16:43 PM
+400% on spread of BTC/USD? what kind of step is this?

what will happen with open positions by the time of the switch?
1935  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: September 03, 2013, 11:39:41 AM
Thank you all, I don't think I have any reason to not trust Bitfinex.

I don't know how experienced you are, Tamis. I would suggest to trade with 10% of your Bitcoins only, for a start. And maybe with a token amount only until you figure out how all those functions work. They are all well documented, but you still has to wrap your head around them. And then there are details, like for example "what lending gets automatically closed when I sell?" which you simply have to try out. With 0.01 BTC for example.
So, no, I don't see BitFinex as the risk here, we ourselves are the risk for our Bitcoins ;-)

Seeing how bullish the market is I don't think I really risk anything at the time being !  I went to Bitfinex to get stop orders I couldn't use on Bitstamp.
I entered at 86$ stop is a 123ish.

Nice! :-)

Question about stop-loss in general:
Lets say I have a large volume margin position, and enter a stop loss. When exactly is it executed? Like, for example, stop loss at 123, at a volume of 1000 BTC? There would not be enough volume at 123. Would the system start at 126 BTC/USD exchange rate, so it closed the position when reaching 123? Or would it start closing at 123, which might not finish selling until the exchange rate dropped to 120?



Ente

Ente

The stop loss would be triggered at 123 USD, more specifically if the bid is at 123 for a sell stop, if the ask is at 123 for a buy stop.
So yes, you can have some slippage if the order is large enough, because it's impossible to calculate the depth beforehand.

I hope that helps

Have a good sunday

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team



one thing is not clear to me:



I have a stop loss at, let's say 120.00

when Bitstamp highest bid is at, let's say 120.20.....A Bitfinex order at 120.00 is above that, and so my stop will be triggered


now the question; If I route my stop to Bitfinex, in the case above my stop get's triggered? Or only once there is a highest Bitstamp bid at 120.00?


up
1936  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] 1Broker.com - Trade forex, indices, stocks and commodities on: September 02, 2013, 11:13:12 AM
servers are often OFFLINE.


what can cost you serious money  Sad
1937  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: September 02, 2013, 11:06:52 AM
Thank you all, I don't think I have any reason to not trust Bitfinex.

I don't know how experienced you are, Tamis. I would suggest to trade with 10% of your Bitcoins only, for a start. And maybe with a token amount only until you figure out how all those functions work. They are all well documented, but you still has to wrap your head around them. And then there are details, like for example "what lending gets automatically closed when I sell?" which you simply have to try out. With 0.01 BTC for example.
So, no, I don't see BitFinex as the risk here, we ourselves are the risk for our Bitcoins ;-)

Seeing how bullish the market is I don't think I really risk anything at the time being !  I went to Bitfinex to get stop orders I couldn't use on Bitstamp.
I entered at 86$ stop is a 123ish.

Nice! :-)

Question about stop-loss in general:
Lets say I have a large volume margin position, and enter a stop loss. When exactly is it executed? Like, for example, stop loss at 123, at a volume of 1000 BTC? There would not be enough volume at 123. Would the system start at 126 BTC/USD exchange rate, so it closed the position when reaching 123? Or would it start closing at 123, which might not finish selling until the exchange rate dropped to 120?



Ente

Ente

The stop loss would be triggered at 123 USD, more specifically if the bid is at 123 for a sell stop, if the ask is at 123 for a buy stop.
So yes, you can have some slippage if the order is large enough, because it's impossible to calculate the depth beforehand.

I hope that helps

Have a good sunday

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team



one thing is not clear to me:



I have a stop loss at, let's say 120.00

when Bitstamp highest bid is at, let's say 120.20.....A Bitfinex order at 120.00 is above that, and so my stop will be triggered


now the question; If I route my stop to Bitfinex, in the case above my stop get's triggered? Or only once there is a highest Bitstamp bid at 120.00?
1938  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: August 31, 2013, 09:27:52 PM
Thank you all, I don't think I have any reason to not trust Bitfinex.

I don't know how experienced you are, Tamis. I would suggest to trade with 10% of your Bitcoins only, for a start. And maybe with a token amount only until you figure out how all those functions work. They are all well documented, but you still has to wrap your head around them. And then there are details, like for example "what lending gets automatically closed when I sell?" which you simply have to try out. With 0.01 BTC for example.
So, no, I don't see BitFinex as the risk here, we ourselves are the risk for our Bitcoins ;-)

Seeing how bullish the market is I don't think I really risk anything at the time being !  I went to Bitfinex to get stop orders I couldn't use on Bitstamp.
I entered at 86$ stop is a 123ish.

Nice! :-)

Question about stop-loss in general:
Lets say I have a large volume margin position, and enter a stop loss. When exactly is it executed? Like, for example, stop loss at 123, at a volume of 1000 BTC? There would not be enough volume at 123. Would the system start at 126 BTC/USD exchange rate, so it closed the position when reaching 123? Or would it start closing at 123, which might not finish selling until the exchange rate dropped to 120?

Ente


stopp loss is a market order executed after trigger, which is the top price in order book, so you would sell most of the 1000 under the price of 123
1939  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] 1Broker.com - Trade forex, indices, stocks and commodities on: August 31, 2013, 04:16:03 PM
ok, came back in the meantime
1940  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] 1Broker.com - Trade forex, indices, stocks and commodities on: August 31, 2013, 03:05:36 PM
server down...can't set stopploss  Angry


for the rcord....I wanted a stopp loss at 133
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