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1941  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: ▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁ on: June 04, 2016, 07:22:56 PM
Bitsrapid gone Huh??
Withdraw button is not working right now

What a surprise from a generic crock of shit copycat site like that.

There are 176,451 other people thinking the same, if you believe their website.
But that's where the problem starts, believing their website...why would you do that?
1942  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2016-03-22] OneCoin Ponzi Scheme Adjusts Tactics To Recruit More Members on: June 04, 2016, 07:12:57 PM
It certainly is still alive, coming to London with its Circus this week.
Probably the best tracker of OneCoin and the Bulgarian Mafia that run it is a site called http://behindmlm.com/ .
Current subjects under scrutiny there include

http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/is-onecoins-blockchain-useless/

http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/45-7-million-recovered-from-chinese-onecoin-scammers/

http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/onecoin-hire-symbol-media-group-for-ponzi-promotion/

http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/ignatova-has-spent-35-million-on-bulgarian-property/

http://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/onecoin-affiliates-banned-from-vandalizing-wikipedia/

Happy reading.

As for "reporting", most authorities only take complaints from people who have actually suffered a loss and can prove it, as opposed to third parties who look at a crock of shit like OneCoin and realise what an obvious scam it is.
1943  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BitClub Network: MLM promises, false testimonials and PoS coin - AVOID on: June 04, 2016, 11:09:57 AM
Imitiation is the greatest form of flattery they say, and there's MLM/Cyptocurrencies crawling out of the woodwork these days, so it's not a surprise to see

Quote from: BitClub Network
WHO WE ARE...
BitClub is not owned by any single person or entity, we are a team of experts, entrepreneurs, professionals, network marketers, and programming geeks who have all come to together to launch a very simple business around a very complex industry. Anyone can join BitClub Network and begin earning a passive income by taking advantage of our expertise in Bitcoin mining and other Bitcoin related services.


turn up, word for word here

Quote
BitCloudAcademy is not owned by any single person or entity, we are a team of experts, entrepreneurs, professionals, network marketers, and programming geeks who have all come to together to launch a very simple business around a very complex industry. Anyone can join BitCloudAcademy and begin earning a passive income by taking advantage of our expertise in Bitcoin mining and other Bitcoin related services.

The "Academy" bit refers to another hot MLM scam favorite, that of selling an education package of useless, plagiarised cut and paste with some motivational memes thrown in.



Most blatant at this is OneCoin, a figment of Bulgarian Mobsters' imagination, which was the "coin" of choice of many of the BitClub Networkers before they realized it was too absurd even for them.

BCA is run by Mike Lavoie and Todd Hirsch.
Lavoie is the man behind SkyCoinlab (does it mine? doesn't it mine? No,it doesn't) in Canada and also Bitcoin Cycler. Hirsch just pumps any old crap.

So, the moral is, in the MLM world there's shitty scams and copies of shitty scams, take your pick.



Checking to see that the "team of" quote was word for word, I also noticed BCN's old

Quote
So far this community has created one of the largest mining pools in the world - BitClub Pool

Well, I guess that's true, but a slight abuse of "one of" as a description of an outfit that's bumping along around 2% of network hash.

This is the pool that BCN 'miners' are paid out of, and BCN's sole source of income apart from new investors' money. Looking at Bitcoin, how are they doing with their quest to be
Quote
the biggest miner in the world
?

So, let's accept that they are mining, probably with some Bitfury product and S7's as Weeks, their self appointed spokesman and negotiator with suppliers, maintains.
Trouble is with Weeks, you can't exactly trust what comes out of his mouth.
Not saying he's a liar, but...

Anyway, I get the feeling that BitClubNetwork were hoping to buy some of Bitfury's 16nm machines. Weeks mouthed off to the effect that they already had, but then he has pretty zero cred and it's commonplace in the MLM industry to be shouting about "Exciting times ahead".

On March 1st, Punin from Bitfury confirmed that BCN were customers, a pretty easy conclusion to come to by looking at the pool references.
Punin was confident too, to the extent of having a bet on the imminent availability of these chips, then..........

It all went dark. Possibly blamed on damage to the chip manufacturer's plant in Taiwan, TSMC predicted at least a 50 day delay in delivery, knocking back Bitfury's projected 1st April (how apt) to late May.
And now Weeks is palming off disgruntled customers with "September". Already ROI's have been slashed to nothing and the only thing good going for BCN is the $100 rise in the price, but their outgoings against contract are priced in BTC so that's of limited help to a hugely top heavy overhead structure.

An interesting screenshot this morning shows Bitfury completely absent from pool data and BCN having a little increase, which seems to indicate some symbiosis between the two.



Both Spondoolies and KNC have recently gone to the wall attempting to compete with the Chinese. Anyone who thinks that Bitfury are invulnerable because what? to the same fate is probably drinking the wrong Koolaid.
Probably Weeks piss flavored KoolAid, because the halving's only a month away and it looks like he's backed the wrong horse.

Crunchtime.
1944  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: HashOcean reviews on: June 04, 2016, 09:45:47 AM
As what others said, hashocean is not a cloud mining site but rather a kind of ponzi schemes. But we dont care coz it still pays us in exact time as what it says in their site.

Until it doesn't.
Sucker.
1945  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CLD stopped mining on: June 03, 2016, 07:57:01 PM
CLD stopped mining?

What makes you think they were ever mining in the first place?

I think CLD mine and hash ocean is the most trusty and give you good profit  , there are many other sites but the problem is they are not trusty .

Looks like you've only got "trusty" hashocean left. /s



I tried to tell people to only use Eobot because they are the only Real cloud mining site and they are big enough to keep running.

Funny that, I tell people that Eobot is an obvious ponzi scam.
I wonder who is right, you or me?
Me.
1946  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is Amazon.com still resisting the use of BTC for payment? on: May 31, 2016, 08:51:14 PM
They don't take gold either.
1947  Economy / Speculation / Re: Lose all your capital fast, with MatTheCat and his TA 101A! on: May 29, 2016, 08:59:42 PM
I'm sticking with my sell into the strength profit taking plan, 20% of recent low 400 longs up for grabs at 525, 550, 575 etc. then replacing on an overbought pullback to the 400's. If it happens. If it doesn't, then still got the cheap stuff.
1948  Other / Meta / Re: Public list of yobit spammers(this one's gonna be long boys) on: May 28, 2016, 06:56:05 PM
He was already removed.

Ok, still carrying the sig an hour ago.
1949  Other / Meta / Re: Public list of yobit spammers(this one's gonna be long boys) on: May 28, 2016, 06:31:06 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=539350

2000 posts of shit.
Green trust for completing an escrowed $8 deal.

An economist

The price movement today still the same as yesterday.. and i think the price movementi is very slow in this month..
Looks like still no one decided to buy bitcoins right now..
And i think we will see new changes of the price end of this month..

And career advisor

I think you can get that in daily weekly you can get 14 usd in a week depends in your rank.. but as i can see you are newbie.. better to invest bitcoin and buy rank account to able to get 14 usd in week..

Career advice? Buy an account and sig spam.

BIWF.
1950  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: May 27, 2016, 10:23:49 PM

Well,2 down,3 to go  Cheesy  Good riddance to KnC .!.. Sam Cole!!!  Cool



Bitmain, BW, Bitfury or Canaan, who's next then?
1951  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KNC wins Class Action against Miners. Court rules all a Business. Thus Lost. on: May 27, 2016, 08:00:32 PM
KNC, Spondoolies....small to medium size fabricators/miners going broke, anyone see a pattern here?
Who would be next in that category I wonder?
No, surely not....
1952  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BitClub Network: MLM promises, false testimonials and PoS coin - AVOID on: May 27, 2016, 06:44:24 PM
And it's time for an update for the Numero Uno Crowd Funded Cloud Mining MLM Network in the World tm

There are three aspects to this operation, they would have you believe

1) BitClubPool mining and "passive income"
2) ClubCoin, the PoS offshoot
3) Merchant platform for ClubCoin.

1) ain't looking too clever. Any cloudmining outfit will be making ROI payments to its investors, based on their profitability/shared by the number of stakeholders.
BCPool have mined 785 blocks in the near year they've been going. Take out around 130 as mined by third parties (not BitClub Network) and average out the price and you get best part of $5,000,000 gross income. Big Number.
Depending on who you believe in an environment where "no-one" is the sensible answer, the net profit on that after regular overhead and electricity, could be anywhere between $1m and $2.5m, still a chunk of change.
So yeah, BCPool makes a net operating profit, that's a reasonable assumption.
But then it's got to be shared out.
There are two main places for that money to go, to the "miners" as ROI and to the networkers as commission. The more miners recruited by networkers, the more those two demands grow. If a stage is reached where those commitments exceed the income, then the only way those payments can continue is
A) Reducing the ROI to the basic investors
B) Paying out from another source, other than mining income. There are no others, apart from new investors lump sums coming in. When you use that money to make up the difference to service existing commitments, you become a Ponzi.
C) Both.

The way to avoid that is obviously not to just keep selling and selling and selling "mining" contracts beyond a level serviceable by your operating profit.
MLM operations are sales driven. Google "BitclubNetwork" and you will find everyone and their uncle sell, sell, selling mining contracts on hundreds of different websites, social media platforms, webinars and seminars.
At the moment, Master Builder Abel, self elected BCN public spokesman Weeks and many others are hitting Asia for all its worth.
If their numbers are to be believed, ONE seminar in Seoul recently attracted 6,000! potential suckers investors.
These guys have energy and drive, give them that.
Every sign on the line is $$$ for ever (how long it lasts) direct to them personally. (See previous posts for the ratio between mining income and referral income for these salesmen. Part of the game is to buy the biggest packages in order to access bigger and bigger downline building opportunities. The $3500 max mining entry ticket is peanuts, and so is the relative income from mining.)

Anyway, you know this probably.
More investors, more ROI to pay, more referrals to pay.
That's OK, just so long as the income from mining keeps pace.
OOPS.

 

That's BitClubPool's hashrate stats for the last six months. An increase at the beginning of the year on the back of their big marketing push to keep pace (just) with the general arms race increase, but compare it now with the total network hashrate....



Combination of the two, ever increasing contract sales+declining mining earnings=dilution=very unhappy investors



MLM operations, especially bad actors, keep everything "in house", usually communicating directly thru dashboards. There is also a vested interest on the side of the investor not to rock the boat, because most realize that these things can snowball pretty damn quick and create a situation which is what they are personally trying to avoid. The equivalent to a run on the bank: they are only too aware their investment asset is only worth something while the doors stay open.

Weeks is quick to jump in (just an aside, Weeks, Abel and many others are U.S. citizens, it must be strange for them travelling the world first class selling something that can't be bought in their home country...) anyway Weeks comes up with the classic, "Be patient, great things happening soon"
line

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  Sapping out old units for new ones. Should have 48 PHs by September..

September?
Errr, Joby, heard of a thing called the Halving? I'm sure your pretty meagre income is going to be probably slashed in half before September.
Well, not your personal income. That's based on what you sell, not what it earns...

I wonder what happened to

Quote from: Weeks' infamous Anarchapulco chat
We've got 12 PH/s Bitfury containers

Quote from: moar
I've got the new (Bitfury) 16nm tech chips.....BCN are the only people in the world with Bitfury chips, buying all they can produce.

and what he's doing with them because, as sure as f*ck, he's not mining with them.

Quote
BitClub Network are going to be the biggest miner in the world

Nearly there....





So, onto
2)ClubCoin, the PoS offshoot

Not a lot happening that is immediately visible. Github is dead, as is their promising da Moon thread on here. The devs haven't even logged in for a couple of months. Maybe they and the rest of the Oompah Loompahs are too busy in the Chocolate Factory.

Doesn't look to healthy pricewise either, flatlining around 20c with no volume



and even at that price proving very hard and frustrating to dump.
Cue more unhappy punters...

Quote
"I started stacking CC on my computer at the beginning of the month and was making rewards soon, then nothing for 13 days.

I then noticed this morning; 28th April, that my closed purchases orders on Bittrex for CC Started to disappear from my complete column. About 5500 CC finished orders had disappeared.
I contacted Bitclub but no response as of yet.
And now, I have lost another order for 3879 CC. I have all the CC but I do think the blockchain has broken.
Now I have decided to stop staking but it takes for every to transfer the CC out of the mining app. You can not in put the amount you have to go through all the numbers starting at .0001 and you have to sit there and watch the numbers go up. I have 10000CC it took over forty minutes for it to get to that number. WTF Bitclub: 



3) Merchant platform for ClubCoin.

Even quieter on this leg of the BitClub Network Master Plan.
Despite being floating as the Next Big Thing as long ago as November 2015, nada, zilch, nothing.
Apart from Mr. Rent-A-Quote Weeks that is

Quote from: yesterday
Merchant acquisition platform is almost done

OK.


Edited to include KNC bankruptcy-because-of-the-halving link.

 
1953  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: OneCoin? on: May 27, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
Fantasie...  Roll Eyes






Wirklichkeit....  Cheesy

http://www.zsbtv.com/Web/c_000000010001/d_139727.shtm

1954  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: ▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁ on: May 26, 2016, 07:40:33 AM
All of the Bitcoin investment opportunities involving cloud-mining seem to turn up as scams at the end of their life cycles. Most of all them are just HYIPs using the whole Bitcoin thing as their front. If it ain't dead yet, it will die soon but like any HYIP, the earlier you enter, the lesser the chance you have of losing your funds but hell some of these sites still give B.S excuses that'll slow you down from getting your deserved cash so it's still risky.

Would rather really suggest just for people to invest in btc lending sites like bitbond...

This is off topic in this thread.
It is specifically for looking at "cloud mining opportunities" and their Ponzi characteristics by applying certain criteria, not for waffling general "advice" that looks like account farming spam.
1955  Other / Meta / Re: Only talks but no action ? That's how we deal with issues . on: May 25, 2016, 09:28:55 AM
Reluctantly allowing the sale of accounts seems to be the policy here, but it's hard to justify transferring positive trust to a new user whose motives for buying could well be dishonest. Straightforward buying of trust isn't condoned, so why should this back door way of getting it be?

In practice though, how could admin stop it even if they wanted to, or strip sold accounts of positive trust which is no longer applicable?
They only have certain information about an account, the email, password, isp and maybe a signed message. They may have other magic forensic stuff, but I'd have thought that would be pretty labor intensive.
All that sellers would do would transfer everything to the new user as part of the deal, and isp's change all the time.
1956  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KNC wins Class Action against Miners. Court rules all a Business. Thus Lost. on: May 24, 2016, 12:36:51 PM
Yeah, this is shit and fwiw KNC will be remembered for it (albeit amongst a group of neckbeards who don't matter a f*ck).

IANAL, but I'd have though that "hobby miners" would have normal consumer rights under the
 "an individual acting for purposes that are wholly or mainly outside that individual's trade, business, craft or profession"
proviso.
Obviously not, according to the Swedes.
1957  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitcoin Scams - Bitcoin Scammers - REPORT Scams Now! on: May 23, 2016, 06:55:45 PM
Unverified anonymous input? Prone to abuse.
If you want a list of shit then http://www.badbitcoin.org/ is the site to go to.



Penny just dropped.

This site lists six mixers as scams.
The OP is promoting coinmixer.net.
The OP is probably an alt of Moriarty, the mixer man that helps himself to his clients money.
1958  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk.org supports illegal ponzi schemes on: May 23, 2016, 06:17:17 PM
Scams aren't moderated because of the potential for bias. Meaning that if a mod hates someone and that someone opens a service without the intention to scam, the mod might pull down the service just to spite that someone. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Maybe everyone who is against ponzies should start to report every ponzi topic and every post in that topic to moderators, let's see what's gonna happen.

Maybe you should stop posting tendentious crap and read the replies you get.

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Scams aren't moderated.

That doesn't mean they are condoned.
1959  Other / Archival / Re: 10bit.biz, is it a scam? on: May 21, 2016, 10:01:39 AM
These pretend impartial "reviews" of obvious scams are pretty commonplace.
A scam shilled by a scammer.
1960  Economy / Gambling / Re: KIBO LOTTO - best bitcoin lottery. Earn your BTC here on: May 20, 2016, 09:29:03 PM
KIBO is the first international lotto using Blockchain:, a groundbreaking technology underlying Bitcoin. Blockchain is an open international log that fully eliminates fraud in random number generation. Everyone can see it for himself online at all times. With KIBO, you can be sure that you are dealing with pure luck.

This is complete bullshit, the blockchain can do nothing of the sort.

Ticket prices quoted in the Kibo Partners compensation plan range from $1 to $50. Thus to raise $1.49 million dollars you’re looking at approximately 29,800 to 1.49 million tickets sold per draw.
Good luck raising that multiple times a week without the confidence of regulated gaming. Even on the vague possibility there is a draw, 67% of funds paid in go towards prize generation, which means that for each $1 million payout, the company needs to raise $1.49 million.
Not only is running an unregulated lottery illegal the world over, so too is promoting them.
The whole pile of shit is topped off with a pyramid referral scheme flogging Premium affiliate spots at $2900 a pop.
H/T Oz.

And as OP's name suggests, this worthy endeavor is based in Russia, home of worthy endeavors.

When this post gets deleted because self mod, I'll start a scam accusation.
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