Nice that we're there, but FAC is the wrong currency symbol. This should be FAIR. So everyone, hold your horses until this is fixed  Yes, I urge everybody: do NOT deposit any FAIR until this is fixed! They received the answers to the questionary two times with FAIR symbol, its pitty, this few attention...  |
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Yes, this could be... i was researching in this thread and also get this post and others days after... As a summary - someone created a hard fork around 27/03 to scam in nxt-e.com. and dumped 5.5 M not existend (he minted the coins from 0, deposited in nxt-e and dump it for BTC and withdrawed the BTC) as a result ntx-e had a balance of -5.5 FAIR and was claiming to the old faircoin dev, to get a solution. - in this old thread no appears information about a solution neither appears people claiming that they lost their coins in ntx-e.com (these coins was frozen some days, and after was withdrawed.,and days after appears information about people withdrawing faircoins from nxt-e.com. - In a statement of 30/3 that is not in the faircoin thread but in https://nxt-e.com/news.aspxthey claim that they solved the problem, tanks to anonymous investors, buying back faircoins in other exchanges...and begun withdrawal until April 7. - Mintpal begun at 31/3 - April 7 ntx-e.com close withdrawals, they claim that destroyed their faircoin wallet and there are not more information. How they really solve their problem is yet an enigma  Therefore a possible hypothesis could be that nxt-e.com was able to make the same play to mintpal, and mintpal dont get it. So users was able to withdraw nonexistent coins from nxt-e to mintpal (because mintpal was the mainstream exchange from the beginning), and users was used to withdraw to mintpal. For this could be possible that mintpal had balances of non existant coins. Anyway this is only a hyphotesis, we need to get some proof or more data, and perhaps study better the blockchain for the days 29/03 and 30/03 to confirm or not, if its possible that nxt-e bought 5500000 faircoins in other exchange (only possible poloniex, because bittrex at this moment dont have enough volume i gues...) possible questions for older faircoin users -Anyone here, was able to withdraw from nxt-e to mintpal? if yes, have any data of this withdrawal? -Anyone here was able to withdraw from nxt-e to their wallet after 29/3, and have the transaction (this is easier because you could have the info in your wallet. - have you any data of poloniex trading in 29-30/03 thanks.. Faircoin dev 0007 agent  |
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Thanks Thomas! Guys, as you can see in the link the sending was to multiple adresses. This is because i gave him an adress for every catalan coop investor that is related with this fund. As is documented in the statement we have received 79% of our mintpal faircoins, and now wait how to manage to receive the other pending 21% So as far as i understood when they gave you guys the Faircoins from Mintpal there were around 6million missing? Yes, in fact yet 6.6M , quoting from the statement these are the numbers of the Mintpal recovery The Mintpal Wallet contained: 14946903.112935999408 FAIR The balance of the account data counted: 21787698.41457512 FAIR Faircoins withdrawed in mintpal v2: -243666,36021 FAIR Coins missing: -6597129,30163912 1905649,03528786 from smartaction 4691480,26635124 unclaimed I see, so someone from MintpalV1/V2 stole those coins? In the statement also appears our thesis about it: The most probably option is that Mintpal V1 suffered in the early days of faircoin in mintpal, (march 31 - april 8 ; when faircoin had unvoluntary hard forks) from a block chain fork, a bug or a hack. If this is true, they credited coins to the balance of users when they actually shouldn't have. so, is not probably that the coins was stolen, but a technical fault. in fact right now there are only about 3.3M without being identified (the 40 adresses pending), post mintpal begining. Therefore, the coins are mostly lost in adresses older than mintpal, what could be linked with a hard fork problem or some bugs... |
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Thanks Thomas! Guys, as you can see in the link the sending was to multiple adresses. This is because i gave him an adress for every catalan coop investor that is related with this fund. As is documented in the statement we have received 79% of our mintpal faircoins, and now wait how to manage to receive the other pending 21% So as far as i understood when they gave you guys the Faircoins from Mintpal there were around 6million missing? Yes, in fact yet 6.6M , quoting from the statement these are the numbers of the Mintpal recovery The Mintpal Wallet contained: 14946903.112935999408 FAIR The balance of the account data counted: 21787698.41457512 FAIR Faircoins withdrawed in mintpal v2: -243666,36021 FAIR Coins missing: -6597129,30163912 1905649,03528786 from smartaction 4691480,26635124 unclaimed |
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Thanks Thomas! Guys, as you can see in the link the sending was to multiple adresses. This is because i gave him an adress for every catalan coop investor that is related with this fund. As is documented in the statement we have received 79% of our mintpal faircoins, and now wait how to manage to receive the other pending 21% |
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Seems good. But I have a bit worry. why are you worry about this? Perhaps its good moment to remember Mintpal, not let all your stake in bittrex, and put there only what we want to buy or to sell  |
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Well, now, particularly, what we want now is to confirm if the addresses with a big amount which are not identified, belong to anyone that is reading us, or if are stolen or lost. For this reason we have copied here this list of adresses: https://www.ethercalc.org/FAIRnonidentifiedmorethan20000postmarch31 (43 adresses older than 31 march not identified with more than 20000 FAIR) Please PM smartaction if any of this addresses is yours and after you confirm your ownership we will update this list, and this will help us to finish our analysis. Please process your personal search as soon as possible in order we can advance to the next steps sooner. There are not more people here that is owner of any of this unknown adresses? |
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I think that we will see a banner of "a quarter" like the ones that you can see when login there...  You think we will go live this week or next one? i thinks most probably, yes... but anyway it depends of Bittrex. They have launch a coin monday, and other tuesday, lets see what they are going to do, between today and sunday... |
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I think that we will see a banner of "a quarter" like the ones that you can see when login there... |
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IMPORTANT STATAMENT RELATED TO MINTPAL FAIRCOINS AND NEXT STEPS. Please read carefully! - Introductionwe waited until we have more information, to make this statement. With the possibility to give us time enough to study the better strategy, for solving the problems that we relate below, without increasing the possibility for an hypotetical scammer to make unrecoverable the coins or sell for bitcoins. Now we think that this possibilities are reduced enough to make it public and require the collaboration of the faircoin community. - how the situation of mintpal coins arrived to the hands of Faircoin development teamThe Mintpal Wallet contained: 14946903.112935999408 FAIR The balance of the account data counted: 21787698.41457512 FAIR Faircoins withdrawed in mintpal v2: -243666,36021 FAIR Coins missing: -6597129,30163912 - how we have procedeed the withdrawal of mintpal coins.Smartaction had an account in mintpal of 9079874,833373 faircoin that belongs to a cooperative investment fund in benefit of different local projects. He decided to give the advantage to other holders to withdraw their coins first, and everyone had the oportunity to receive their coins and at least three weeks of time to do it. Therefore the current 7174225,79808514 * in https://chain.fair-coin.org/address/fFcy7XH7hY7o4BwaRgkFQVooM9m4dZGUwZwill be withdrawed by smartaction and after this yet will be missing 6597129,30163912 1905649,03528786 from smartaction 4691480,26635124 unclaimed * after deduct 40973,05805086 claimed by [Suspicious link removed] that we have frozen until confirm the balance of this multipool with faircoin users.- Next stepsAfter this, we need your help for finishing the analysis where the lost coins are, and confirm if we have data enough to recover it and if it makes sense to do it. At the technical level Thomas has done a development to make possible to recover lost coins from the blockchain, therefore all depends if we are secure enough about what needs to be done, and if the community support our plan. In fact, we have done already a lot of work this past weeks related blockchain analysis and we discovered that the first thesis that mintpal v1 told us does not makes sense enough. Therefore there is no proof that this coins are in the hands of Ryan/aleen green from moolah, at least not most of them. An important proof of this is there are not enough unidentified coins in addresses younger than march 31 (data of mintpal beginning) to cover this 6.6 M coins. The most probably option is that Mintpal V1 suffered in the early days of faircoin in mintpal, (march 31 - april 8 ; when faircoin had unvoluntary hard forks) from a block chain fork, a bug or a hack. If this is true, they credited coins to the balance of users when they actually shouldn't have. Well, now, particularly, what we want now is to confirm if the addresses with a big amount which are not identified, belong to anyone that is reading us, or if are stolen or lost. For this reason we have copied here this list of adresses: https://www.ethercalc.org/FAIRnonidentifiedmorethan20000postmarch31 (43 adresses older than 31 march not identified with more than 20000 FAIR) Please PM smartaction if any of this addresses is yours and after you confirm your ownership we will update this list, and this will help us to finish our analysis. Please process your personal search as soon as possible in order we can advance to the next steps sooner. Otherwise if you detected in the past specially first days of Faircoin in Mintpal, any irregularity when you made deposits in Mintpal (like no transaction appeared in the good blockchain, but the balance was updated in your mintpal account), let us know. - After thisIf we decide together on how to recover the confirmed lost coins. This will be distributed in this order to * smartaction pending coins * unclaimed coins that became claimed -only until december 31th, 2014 * projects and bounties to continue improving the faircoop and faircoin environtment Yours Enric Duran (smartaction) and Thomas Konig (thokon00) Faircoin development team. The addresses in the link are from the user's addresses in Mintpal V1.0, right? My mintpal address seems not on this list. I hope the lost coins can be recovered for who really lost them. Not, these are not mintpal adresses, because we already have the information of mintpal users and made the recovering sending to users that claimed. Therefore this mintpal recovered coins are already identified and are not in the list In the list, probably is people that bought in a exchange -mintpal or not- and withdraw them before the mintpal closing. What we are looking for is to confirm this cases and after this, make the maths about where the lost coins must be... |
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Great for the tutorials! I'm will try to participate tomorrow in the IRC Right now the periodic meeting is every two wednesdays and this one is not scheduled, but any way if there are people interested in chat, talk about the last news, etc, i could be in #faircoop today around 21 GMT |
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Hello everyone, already 3 adresses confirmed, and what is important is that the 2 most bigger ones has been confirmed, which in deep is good news because it means that are in good hands By this way seems that our thesis of "the coins are lost in the past" is winning possibilities... Yet a lot of pending to confirm |
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i am here, only few minutes to publish an important statement |
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And big attention to everyone that are reading us, and specially all the faircoin holders. Please if you care of faircoin, follow this thread this tuesday, when we will publish the IMPORTANT pending update related the Mintpal faircoins, We will need your collaboration to leave definitely this mintpal story behind us, and go straight again! Our statement related Mintpal Faircoins will be today around 21.00 GMT, keep pending! i had some delay for personal questions, so the statement probably will be around 22.00 GMT or a bit later, but anyway this night |
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This year for our annual Christmas and third year birthday donation we're planning on buying 1BTC worth of FairCoin. That we will stake with. This will indirectly help to benefit the FairCoop project. Then next year we will donate 50% of any BTC gains made on the purchase to - https://fair.coop. Up to the value of 1BTC. Great to count with you! Day by day Fair.Coop and Faircoin are growing with new supports like yours! After get over the mintpal defeat, Faircoin will be in Bittrex next days, and there will be more easy to buy 1 BTC value than the current lost volume exchanges. Be pending of updates and keep in contact! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=702675.new#newhttps://twitter.com/faircointeamhttps://twitter.com/fair_coop |
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Fair.Coop and Faircoin have new friends See the post of Red start mining -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=564908.msg9786595#msg9786595"This year for our annual Christmas and third year birthday donation we're planning on buying 1BTC worth of FairCoin. That we will stake with. This will indirectly help to benefit the FairCoop project. Then next year we will donate 50% of any BTC gains made on the purchase to - https://fair.coop. Up to the value of 1BTC"
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This Christmas I am definitely buying gifts from Lush for the women in my life after their €12k donation to FairCoop Yeah i am going to start using them too, here in London they have stores everywhere. IT WOULD ALSO BE A GREAT IDEA IF THEY START ACCEPTING FAIRCOINS AS PAYMENT Good choise! Yes, Lush accepting faircoins is part of the roadmap. When we build Fairmarket in january also we will build our own payment processor and will offer easily to Lush to accept, at least in their online store... |
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