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December 09, 2014, 06:32:26 PM
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And big attention to everyone that are reading us, and specially all the faircoin holders.
Please if you care of faircoin, follow this thread this  tuesday, when we will publish the IMPORTANT pending update related the Mintpal faircoins,

We will need your collaboration to leave definitely this mintpal story behind us, and go straight again!  Wink




Our statement related Mintpal Faircoins will be today around 21.00 GMT, keep pending!  Smiley

i had some delay for personal questions, so the statement probably will be around 22.00 GMT or a bit later, but anyway this night

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December 09, 2014, 08:45:21 PM
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Hi guys,

just sent out batch #8. https://chain.fair-coin.org/block/ed1bd4593bf1d83747448fac401454a2a37a79fc2815ea181a8f87b0ba23234c

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i am here,   Smiley

only few minutes to publish an important statement

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IMPORTANT STATAMENT RELATED TO MINTPAL FAIRCOINS AND NEXT STEPS.
Please read carefully!

- Introduction

we waited until we have more information, to make this statement. With the possibility to give us time enough to study the better strategy,
for solving the problems that we relate below, without increasing the possibility for an hypotetical scammer to make unrecoverable the coins or sell for bitcoins. Now we think that this possibilities are reduced enough to make it public and require the collaboration of the faircoin community.

- how the situation of mintpal coins arrived to the hands of Faircoin development team

The Mintpal Wallet contained:                      14946903.112935999408 FAIR
The balance of the account data counted:   21787698.41457512 FAIR
Faircoins withdrawed in mintpal v2:               -243666,36021 FAIR
Coins missing:                                               -6597129,30163912

- how we have procedeed the withdrawal of mintpal coins.

Smartaction had an account in mintpal of 9079874,833373 faircoin that belongs to a cooperative investment fund in benefit of different local projects.
He decided to give the advantage to other holders to withdraw their coins first, and everyone had the oportunity to receive their coins
and at least three weeks of time to do it.

Therefore the current  7174225,79808514 * in https://chain.fair-coin.org/address/fFcy7XH7hY7o4BwaRgkFQVooM9m4dZGUwZ
will be withdrawed by smartaction and after this yet will be missing 6597129,30163912

1905649,03528786 from smartaction
4691480,26635124          unclaimed

* after deduct 40973,05805086 claimed by [Suspicious link removed] that we have frozen until confirm the balance of this multipool with faircoin users.

- Next steps
After this, we need your help for finishing the analysis where the lost coins are, and confirm if we have data enough to recover it and if it makes sense to do it.

At the technical level Thomas has done a development to make possible to recover lost coins from the blockchain, therefore
all depends if we are secure enough about what needs to be done, and if the community support our plan.

In fact, we have done already a lot of work this past weeks related blockchain analysis and we discovered that the first thesis that mintpal v1 told us does not makes sense enough. Therefore there is no proof that this coins are in the hands of Ryan/aleen green from moolah, at least not most of them.
An important proof of this is there are not enough unidentified coins in addresses younger than march 31 (data of mintpal beginning) to cover this 6.6 M coins.
The most probably option is that Mintpal V1 suffered in the early days of faircoin in mintpal, (march 31 - april 8 ; when faircoin had unvoluntary hard forks) from a block chain fork, a bug or a hack. If this is true, they credited coins to the balance of users when they actually shouldn't have.

Well, now, particularly, what we want now is to confirm if the addresses with a big amount which are not identified, belong to anyone that is reading us, or if are stolen or lost. For this reason we have copied here this list of adresses: https://www.ethercalc.org/FAIRnonidentifiedmorethan20000postmarch31  
(43 adresses older than 31 march not identified with more than 20000 FAIR)

Please PM smartaction if any of this addresses is yours and after you confirm your ownership we will update this list, and this will help us
to finish our analysis. Please process your personal search as soon as possible in order we can advance to the next steps sooner.

Otherwise if you detected in the past specially first days of Faircoin in Mintpal, any irregularity when you made deposits in Mintpal (like no transaction appeared in the good blockchain, but the balance was updated in your mintpal account), let us know.

- After this

If we decide together on how to recover the confirmed lost coins. This will be distributed in this order to
* smartaction pending coins
* unclaimed coins that became claimed -only until december 31th, 2014
* projects and bounties to continue improving the faircoop and faircoin environtment

Yours
Enric Duran (smartaction) and Thomas Konig (thokon00)
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Nice Job for the dev team,
by the way, the Fair Coin wallet in mintpal should produced some POS profit?

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Nice Job for the dev team,
by the way, the Fair Coin wallet in mintpal should produced some POS profit?

Yes, it did. See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=702675.msg9780762#msg9780762

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We have developed a tutorial for newbies to use the faircoin wallet in linux
https://fair.coop/docs/faircoin-wallet-tutorial/

improvements and opinions could help!

also, help in windows or mac version is welcome!   Smiley

I use the windows version with no problems. Now when I have installed the linux wallet, it download the whole blockchain, but shows me a message that says:
WARNING: Check point is too old. Wait for blockchain to download, or notify developers.
What does it mean?
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We have developed a tutorial for newbies to use the faircoin wallet in linux
https://fair.coop/docs/faircoin-wallet-tutorial/

improvements and opinions could help!

also, help in windows or mac version is welcome!   Smiley

I use the windows version with no problems. Now when I have installed the linux wallet, it download the whole blockchain, but shows me a message that says:
WARNING: Check point is too old. Wait for blockchain to download, or notify developers.
What does it mean?

Hi there,

this means that your clinet didn't receive a synchronous checkpoint yet. These checkpoints are send along with every new block found on the network and prevent undesired block chain forks. Therefore, the message will disappear as soon as the next checkpoint has been broadcasted.

If the message doesn't disappear, something is wrong and the developers should be notified.  Grin

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We have developed a tutorial for newbies to use the faircoin wallet in linux
https://fair.coop/docs/faircoin-wallet-tutorial/

improvements and opinions could help!

also, help in windows or mac version is welcome!   Smiley

I use the windows version with no problems. Now when I have installed the linux wallet, it download the whole blockchain, but shows me a message that says:
WARNING: Check point is too old. Wait for blockchain to download, or notify developers.
What does it mean?

Hi there,

this means that your clinet didn't receive a synchronous checkpoint yet. These checkpoints are send along with every new block found on the network and prevent undesired block chain forks. Therefore, the message will disappear as soon as the next checkpoint has been broadcasted.

If the message doesn't disappear, something is wrong and the developers should be notified.  Grin

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However, I'm receiving and sending coins (whith verifications in the blockchain) between my windows wallet and my linux wallet. It's safe to use the windows wallet this way?
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We have developed a tutorial for newbies to use the faircoin wallet in linux
https://fair.coop/docs/faircoin-wallet-tutorial/

improvements and opinions could help!

also, help in windows or mac version is welcome!   Smiley

I use the windows version with no problems. Now when I have installed the linux wallet, it download the whole blockchain, but shows me a message that says:
WARNING: Check point is too old. Wait for blockchain to download, or notify developers.
What does it mean?

Hi there,

this means that your clinet didn't receive a synchronous checkpoint yet. These checkpoints are send along with every new block found on the network and prevent undesired block chain forks. Therefore, the message will disappear as soon as the next checkpoint has been broadcasted.

If the message doesn't disappear, something is wrong and the developers should be notified.  Grin

regs
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However, I'm receiving and sending coins (whith verifications in the blockchain) between my windows wallet and my linux wallet. It's safe to use the windows wallet this way?
Thanks!

Yes, it is safe.

The FairCoin wallet checks if it received a checkpoint within the last 90 days. If it didn't (or the block chain is downloaded for the first time) it complains with the above warning message (it's not an error).

Anyway, it should disappear with the next block received.

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Hello everyone,

already 3 adresses confirmed, and what is important is that the 2 most bigger ones has been confirmed, which in deep is good news because it means that are in good hands  Wink  By this way seems that our thesis of "the coins are lost in the past" is winning possibilities...

Yet a lot of pending to confirm  Cheesy


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December 10, 2014, 12:48:43 PM
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Great for the tutorials! I'm will try to participate tomorrow in the IRC Wink

Right now the periodic meeting is every two wednesdays and this one is not scheduled,

but any way if there are people interested in chat, talk about the last news, etc,
i could be in #faircoop  today around 21 GMT   Cheesy


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December 10, 2014, 01:06:00 PM
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IMPORTANT STATAMENT RELATED TO MINTPAL FAIRCOINS AND NEXT STEPS.
Please read carefully!

- Introduction

we waited until we have more information, to make this statement. With the possibility to give us time enough to study the better strategy,
for solving the problems that we relate below, without increasing the possibility for an hypotetical scammer to make unrecoverable the coins or sell for bitcoins. Now we think that this possibilities are reduced enough to make it public and require the collaboration of the faircoin community.

- how the situation of mintpal coins arrived to the hands of Faircoin development team

The Mintpal Wallet contained:                      14946903.112935999408 FAIR
The balance of the account data counted:   21787698.41457512 FAIR
Faircoins withdrawed in mintpal v2:               -243666,36021 FAIR
Coins missing:                                               -6597129,30163912

- how we have procedeed the withdrawal of mintpal coins.

Smartaction had an account in mintpal of 9079874,833373 faircoin that belongs to a cooperative investment fund in benefit of different local projects.
He decided to give the advantage to other holders to withdraw their coins first, and everyone had the oportunity to receive their coins
and at least three weeks of time to do it.

Therefore the current  7174225,79808514 * in https://chain.fair-coin.org/address/fFcy7XH7hY7o4BwaRgkFQVooM9m4dZGUwZ
will be withdrawed by smartaction and after this yet will be missing 6597129,30163912

1905649,03528786 from smartaction
4691480,26635124          unclaimed

* after deduct 40973,05805086 claimed by [Suspicious link removed] that we have frozen until confirm the balance of this multipool with faircoin users.

- Next steps
After this, we need your help for finishing the analysis where the lost coins are, and confirm if we have data enough to recover it and if it makes sense to do it.

At the technical level Thomas has done a development to make possible to recover lost coins from the blockchain, therefore
all depends if we are secure enough about what needs to be done, and if the community support our plan.

In fact, we have done already a lot of work this past weeks related blockchain analysis and we discovered that the first thesis that mintpal v1 told us does not makes sense enough. Therefore there is no proof that this coins are in the hands of Ryan/aleen green from moolah, at least not most of them.
An important proof of this is there are not enough unidentified coins in addresses younger than march 31 (data of mintpal beginning) to cover this 6.6 M coins.
The most probably option is that Mintpal V1 suffered in the early days of faircoin in mintpal, (march 31 - april 8 ; when faircoin had unvoluntary hard forks) from a block chain fork, a bug or a hack. If this is true, they credited coins to the balance of users when they actually shouldn't have.

Well, now, particularly, what we want now is to confirm if the addresses with a big amount which are not identified, belong to anyone that is reading us, or if are stolen or lost. For this reason we have copied here this list of adresses: https://www.ethercalc.org/FAIRnonidentifiedmorethan20000postmarch31  
(43 adresses older than 31 march not identified with more than 20000 FAIR)

Please PM smartaction if any of this addresses is yours and after you confirm your ownership we will update this list, and this will help us
to finish our analysis. Please process your personal search as soon as possible in order we can advance to the next steps sooner.

Otherwise if you detected in the past specially first days of Faircoin in Mintpal, any irregularity when you made deposits in Mintpal (like no transaction appeared in the good blockchain, but the balance was updated in your mintpal account), let us know.

- After this

If we decide together on how to recover the confirmed lost coins. This will be distributed in this order to
* smartaction pending coins
* unclaimed coins that became claimed -only until december 31th, 2014
* projects and bounties to continue improving the faircoop and faircoin environtment

Yours
Enric Duran (smartaction) and Thomas Konig (thokon00)
Faircoin development team.

The addresses in the link are from the user's addresses in Mintpal V1.0, right?

My mintpal address seems not on this list.

I hope the lost coins can be recovered for who really lost them.
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December 10, 2014, 01:23:32 PM
 #1254

IMPORTANT STATAMENT RELATED TO MINTPAL FAIRCOINS AND NEXT STEPS.
Please read carefully!

- Introduction

we waited until we have more information, to make this statement. With the possibility to give us time enough to study the better strategy,
for solving the problems that we relate below, without increasing the possibility for an hypotetical scammer to make unrecoverable the coins or sell for bitcoins. Now we think that this possibilities are reduced enough to make it public and require the collaboration of the faircoin community.

- how the situation of mintpal coins arrived to the hands of Faircoin development team

The Mintpal Wallet contained:                      14946903.112935999408 FAIR
The balance of the account data counted:   21787698.41457512 FAIR
Faircoins withdrawed in mintpal v2:               -243666,36021 FAIR
Coins missing:                                               -6597129,30163912

- how we have procedeed the withdrawal of mintpal coins.

Smartaction had an account in mintpal of 9079874,833373 faircoin that belongs to a cooperative investment fund in benefit of different local projects.
He decided to give the advantage to other holders to withdraw their coins first, and everyone had the oportunity to receive their coins
and at least three weeks of time to do it.

Therefore the current  7174225,79808514 * in https://chain.fair-coin.org/address/fFcy7XH7hY7o4BwaRgkFQVooM9m4dZGUwZ
will be withdrawed by smartaction and after this yet will be missing 6597129,30163912

1905649,03528786 from smartaction
4691480,26635124          unclaimed

* after deduct 40973,05805086 claimed by [Suspicious link removed] that we have frozen until confirm the balance of this multipool with faircoin users.

- Next steps
After this, we need your help for finishing the analysis where the lost coins are, and confirm if we have data enough to recover it and if it makes sense to do it.

At the technical level Thomas has done a development to make possible to recover lost coins from the blockchain, therefore
all depends if we are secure enough about what needs to be done, and if the community support our plan.

In fact, we have done already a lot of work this past weeks related blockchain analysis and we discovered that the first thesis that mintpal v1 told us does not makes sense enough. Therefore there is no proof that this coins are in the hands of Ryan/aleen green from moolah, at least not most of them.
An important proof of this is there are not enough unidentified coins in addresses younger than march 31 (data of mintpal beginning) to cover this 6.6 M coins.
The most probably option is that Mintpal V1 suffered in the early days of faircoin in mintpal, (march 31 - april 8 ; when faircoin had unvoluntary hard forks) from a block chain fork, a bug or a hack. If this is true, they credited coins to the balance of users when they actually shouldn't have.

Well, now, particularly, what we want now is to confirm if the addresses with a big amount which are not identified, belong to anyone that is reading us, or if are stolen or lost. For this reason we have copied here this list of adresses: https://www.ethercalc.org/FAIRnonidentifiedmorethan20000postmarch31  
(43 adresses older than 31 march not identified with more than 20000 FAIR)

Please PM smartaction if any of this addresses is yours and after you confirm your ownership we will update this list, and this will help us
to finish our analysis. Please process your personal search as soon as possible in order we can advance to the next steps sooner.

Otherwise if you detected in the past specially first days of Faircoin in Mintpal, any irregularity when you made deposits in Mintpal (like no transaction appeared in the good blockchain, but the balance was updated in your mintpal account), let us know.

- After this

If we decide together on how to recover the confirmed lost coins. This will be distributed in this order to
* smartaction pending coins
* unclaimed coins that became claimed -only until december 31th, 2014
* projects and bounties to continue improving the faircoop and faircoin environtment

Yours
Enric Duran (smartaction) and Thomas Konig (thokon00)
Faircoin development team.

The addresses in the link are from the user's addresses in Mintpal V1.0, right?

My mintpal address seems not on this list.

I hope the lost coins can be recovered for who really lost them.

Not, these are not mintpal adresses, because we already have the information of mintpal users and made the recovering sending to users that claimed. Therefore this mintpal recovered coins are already identified and are not in the list

In the list, probably is people that bought in a exchange -mintpal or not- and withdraw them before the mintpal closing.  What we are looking for is to confirm this cases and after this, make the maths about where the lost coins must be...

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December 10, 2014, 01:29:04 PM
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Be pending of https://twitter.com/bittrexexchange

because Faircoin could be (one of) the next !  Cheesy

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Be pending of https://twitter.com/bittrexexchange

because Faircoin could be (one of) the next !  Cheesy

https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202583854-Submitting-a-Coin-to-Bittrex-Updated-11-30-14
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If you'd like to guarantee the launch of your coin and get additional marketing in our platform, we offer the option to spotlight your coin for 3.0 BTC.
So, what kind of marketing are they gonna give us? Looking for spotlight... Wink
I wouldn't mind seeing a huge banner @ https://www.bittrex.com/ for example Cheesy

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FairCoin reached france Smiley
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Be pending of https://twitter.com/bittrexexchange

because Faircoin could be (one of) the next !  Cheesy

https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202583854-Submitting-a-Coin-to-Bittrex-Updated-11-30-14
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If you'd like to guarantee the launch of your coin and get additional marketing in our platform, we offer the option to spotlight your coin for 3.0 BTC.
So, what kind of marketing are they gonna give us? Looking for spotlight... Wink
I wouldn't mind seeing a huge banner @ https://www.bittrex.com/ for example Cheesy


I think that we will see a banner of "a quarter" like the ones that you can see when login there...  Cheesy

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Be pending of https://twitter.com/bittrexexchange

because Faircoin could be (one of) the next !  Cheesy

https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202583854-Submitting-a-Coin-to-Bittrex-Updated-11-30-14
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If you'd like to guarantee the launch of your coin and get additional marketing in our platform, we offer the option to spotlight your coin for 3.0 BTC.
So, what kind of marketing are they gonna give us? Looking for spotlight... Wink
I wouldn't mind seeing a huge banner @ https://www.bittrex.com/ for example Cheesy


I think that we will see a banner of "a quarter" like the ones that you can see when login there...  Cheesy

You think we will go live this week or next one?
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Be pending of https://twitter.com/bittrexexchange

because Faircoin could be (one of) the next !  Cheesy

https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202583854-Submitting-a-Coin-to-Bittrex-Updated-11-30-14
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If you'd like to guarantee the launch of your coin and get additional marketing in our platform, we offer the option to spotlight your coin for 3.0 BTC.
So, what kind of marketing are they gonna give us? Looking for spotlight... Wink
I wouldn't mind seeing a huge banner @ https://www.bittrex.com/ for example Cheesy


I think that we will see a banner of "a quarter" like the ones that you can see when login there...  Cheesy

You think we will go live this week or next one?

i thinks most probably, yes... Smiley  but anyway it depends of Bittrex.  They have launch a coin monday, and other tuesday, lets see what they are going to do, between today and sunday...

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