First off, it is not good thinking to assume malevolence before considering various plausible and reasonable non-malevolent explanations.

Second:  There are a few reasonable explanations why you might see many fewer coins on the order book than are being sold at around any specific price including: 1) Many exchanges allow for invisible orders, and Bitfinex is one of them, 2) some buyers will continue to put orders on the books, as they get sold into (and they don’t necessarily want to put a large buy order at one particular price and get all their orders sold into at once (then they would potentially run out of money if the price were to go lower) 3) of course, market orders do not show up on the books, and they can  be ongoingly propping the price at a particular price-point 4) and perhaps margin calls as last of the v8s mentioned.

Nonsense.

You are perverting a good meme with bad ideas.   

I merely gave you a merit for: 1) the activity level of your account, 2) the fact that had not received any merits and 3) because of the substance of your earlier posts.  I did not research into your trust or your post history.

But even your admission here regarding the surrounding facts brings me regret for having had used one of my merits on your account.

Somehow you believe that if an account is stolen (assuming that you did not steal the account and you paid for it like you said), then someone, such as yourself, should be able to buy such account and the account would be valid because you supposedly payed for it? 

There seems to be something wrong with your thinking, in that regard, bitgov.  I will be surprised if this particular account does not get frozen or locked out - seems like you are not in a good position, because, generally, buying stolen property is not acceptable, and if you think that it is then you may be engaged in a kind of rationalization if you believe that buying stolen property should be acceptable?   

Anyhow, if you really do have another more valid account, then perhaps you (and the forum) would be better served by your using that other (presumably not stolen account) to post. 

How could you be "in the red"?  Do you mean red since ATH or red overall? Any of us who have been in more than a year, should be considerably in the black unless we made some decent sized mistakes.  Remember last year, we had a dip into the the $800s around this time?

Oh gawd, Tera.

First you come up with this ridiculous supposed dream scenario, and then you have the balls (I mean figurative) to attempt to defend your nonsense even further.   

None of us really knows how this merit system is going to play out exactly in terms of which posters are going to attract merit; however, there is speculation that quality of posts will go up by necessity of earning merit.  We are still in the early days.  I looked at a few of your recent post, and they seem pretty decent.  Therefore, I gave you one merit based on your mere quantity of posts over recent months.  

On the other hand, you may want to tighten up the quality of the posts with proper punctuation, capitalization, spelling out words rather than abbreviating, and just make sure you read several posts earlier in the thread to be contribute in a meaningful way with substance and possible insight and attempt to contribute to the ideas being discussed in the thread with ideas/facts/logic, and sometimes insightful questions.  

It seems that the more thoughtful your posts, then the better chance that your posts may have in attracting merit.. so getting the first 10 merits might NOT be difficult since you already have several posts out there and you can build upon your contributions... and also I think that it is good to just post within topics and threads that you like and attempt to be genuinely interested, interesting and to have fun with it all, and if you do those things while attempting to provide decent quality within your posts, you will likely attract at least some merit (maybe not as much as you would like ..yet  over time you will likely receive merit, without needing to beg for it, which would not be a good or credible practice).  

Also, once your receive two merits, then you will receive a sendable merit.  You can also possibly increase your credibility in the way that you award smerit - by identifying good post and highlighting those by either quoting them or writing about them or giving them a merit.

Aren't you going to run out of money, sooner or later, if you keep setting your never, ever ever ever ever, to be filled buy orders only $50 below the previous buy order with the same title?   


unless you happen to be one of those banks with printing authority, aka unlimited fiat.

Many of the lightning network "fair criticisms" come off as a bunch of silly-ass premature whiners, making up a bunch of speculated bullshit.

I don't think previous bet was a clarified bet either, which seems necessary, and there was a bit of a problem with the short timeline for the actual bet that was running, even with some lack of the clarification, but just for the sake of compromise, I would like to make the following suggestion.

If the BTC price goes below $7,625.25 on Stamp in February any time before midnight UT on February 28, then you, 600Watt, would have to pay dooglus the full amount that you had originally agreed to, which was .2 BTC, right?  Otherwise, if the BTC price does not go below $7,625.25 on Stamp, before midnight UT on February 28th, then you 600Watt don't have to pay anything to dooglus on the bet.  Even though I think that the amount is too much (but you, 600watt did originally suggest a bet for .2 BTC)...

This kind of new clarified arrangement (or something similar) would keep the spirit of the original unclaried bet while giving some additional time for the clarification of any bet terms while adding the new current low of $7625.25 as the low that would need to be watched to determine whether 600Watt has to pay any BTC to dooglus or not..  Such terms (or something like that) would seem fair and "gentlemanly" to me, and does not seem escrow is necessary, unless you guys change your mind on that part.

Speak for yourself, terabera.

hahahahahaha...

There is no exact group think.

We are having a dialogue, and there is a decent amount of bullishness, yet there is variation too, and there are also peeps who pop in from time to time  that really disbelieve in bitcoin and believe in various other cryptos...

We are not all the same, and you are not the same either, Tera. Both you and I have changed over the past 4-5 years.   I have only been in this thread for 4 years.. but you perhaps 5 years, even though you took nearly a two year break.. and where the fuck were you?  Taking a break.  That was your story.  What the fuck?

Anyhow, don't tell me that your ideas are all the same, and you knew this bitcoin market and price performance was going to happen like this all along...   Yeah, you used to be so obsessed with china, china, china, and now maybe even you are less bearish, but you don't seem to have a shortage of FUD ideas to bring up from time to time... .and  no fucking way, your ideas are not the same and.. no one knows or knew this present state of bitcoin, and yeah, once it happens, then at that time, hindsight becomes 20/20, but before the future happens, it is just a bunch of conjecture, theories, probabilities and some scenarios that seem to be more probable than others, but still historical circumstances could have changed events in which our present status and BTC price performance might not have happened, and we may have been 3-5x under performing from our current state, or maybe another set of events in which we would have been in a 2x higher price arena at this time...   

I already mentioned several times that BTC's price performance had gone about 4-5x beyond my expectations and this 61% price correction does not change my assessment that BTC has performed way more bullishly and even remains in an arena that is about 4x to 5x higher than I had expected.

Yeah, all these circumstances may seem all clear in hindsight.. but not in predicting and even a lot of the peeps discussing in the thread have changed, too... where the fuck  is adam?  he became a big blocker nutjob... and chart buddy and richieT disappeared too because of their pride battle with Theymos... and there are a bunch of others that have disappeared from active WO participation.. .and with new folks, too... and some of the new folks have become quite influential in various ways.. while they learn and teach.. or at least share information in the thread..

Furthermore, there are a lot of fucking ideas out there that are contributing to the bitcoin space in the alt sphere and in the ICOs and maybe some of these activities are within the realm of foreseeable, but certainly not the specifics, so the actual carrying out of segwit and lightning and the battles of the hardforks are other attacks on bitcoin were not exactly known events nor would it be know how they would play out.. including the extent to which the government/financial institutions tolerate and battle bitcoin at the same time.

We cannot sit back smugly and say that we knew all of this.. because we did not, even if some of the specifics are kinds of within a realm of what we thought could be possible.

You forgot your doom and gloom tags for the weapons, and furthermore, don't we need a chick in the pic?

Seems like a much more sophisticated and problematic poll to be ranking our perception of the mental stability of WO thread participants, and likely a bit off topic, too.. you know, delving into an area of possible entertaining ad hominem.. rather than bitcoin price/wall substantive.... 

Why don't you say what the fuck you are talking about, rather than putting the burden on others to answer and provide "evidence"?

That could be an interesting ranking of posters likely to "go off." 

She does seem to have pretty decent ability to control her emotions, but she is also a bit passive aggressive too, so with a gun, who knows what she might do?      maybe just hold us up, and then tickle us with feathers until we kiss her feet, perhaps? 

How come you are so smart as a newbie in terms of knowing which members are problematic?   Furthermore, why do you think that it is a good idea to bold your whole statement?  Why do you feel that your ideas are so important, as a newbie?

I will concede that I am being a bit repetitive with my harping on you, but I am not going to give up.  Furthermore, you totally skipped over my starting point which is criticizing you for you seeming desire to "be right."

Regarding your anticipated guns purchases and namings, I think that is a decent idea.  So instead of preaching doom and gloom, you can shoot doom and gloom - hopefully carry out such shooting at shooting range or at ground hogs or some legitimate nuisance target, not at peeps, even if peeps don't agree with some of your supposed "good intentions" and seemingly exaggerated benevolences.   

I don't understand why it should make secure adult to feel good about "being right" about the price direction of bitcoin or its dynamics?  Or I don't know why there should be any goals to get quasi-anonymous folks on the interwebs to follow your advices? 

Yeah, there is nothing wrong with sharing information, technical analysis and even having an approach that differs from others, but surely, it would come off as a lot more genuine and less patronizing if there is a sense of a brainstorming session rather than attempt to preach ongoing doom and gloom that frequently comes off as a kind of book talking - even while you deny such book talking and propound contradicting talking points.

Do you at least agree that there are going to be a variety of strategies, and many strategies involve little to no trading, even if they have pretty decent clues (and maybe agree with you that the BTC price is likely to crash. but they still do not plan to alter their HODL - and perhaps accumulate if they are more sophisticated, strategy).

Surely, peeps can be harsh on the internet, including yours truly.

I think that many of us may devolve into a state of stress at various points, and sometimes we might be forced into a position out of either emotion or lack of preparation, and I have these kinds of discussions with peeps in the real world too.  I share some of my views, but people can become passionate, including myself - and we might express our emotions at various times and in differing contexts.

Surely, there can be some relief it you sell some BTC and you are able to buy back lower - while at the same time, none of us can be sure that the last leg of the downturn is over.

So, yes, those of us who have been HODLing and buying all the way down from $19k or $18k to present, may start to get more stressed now, because perhaps, some of us may be running out of money.  I, personally, feel a lot better this time around, as compared to our mid-September 2017 correction of 40% down from $4,980 to $2970.  This exorbitant price increase, especially from $10k to $19,666 triggered me into restructuring my downside, in order that I could be better prepared for well over 50% price correction, and in fact I purposefully decided to allocate funds for a 90% correction, just in case.

So, yeah, instead of bragging regarding my own preparations, I completely understand that there are going to be a lot of folks who started the bitcoin journey at a different point from me, and therefore they have not been able to either prepare their own positions or even to have enough time to figure out what is going to work for them, including perhaps becoming a bit shell shocked by the unexpected becoming a reality - that was certainly true with how fast we went from $10k to $19,666.

I also understand that even if many of us went through this extremely crazy situation, there are still a lot of peeps struggling to figure out a system that is suitable for them and to learn from the considerable BTC price movements of the past few months - both the UP and the DOWN.. and even our current uncertain place... that is going to more likely continue with volatility rather than stability...

Regroup, regroup and learn and create a plan and tweak a plan, and we know that sometimes the presentation over the internet in a quasi-anonymous thread like this is not necessarily going to be friendly or sensitive to individual stress points... including yours truly.   

huh? 

You seem to believe there is one more test necessary for bitcoin?

I doubt it. 

Bitcoin has already proven itself resilient to various bullshit, including the rise from $250 to $19,666 - and including various parts in between. 

That rise from $250 to $19,666 took more than 2 years, and there were decent challenges in the midst of such rise - including quite a few pretty heavy challenges in 2017 - and bitcoin continues to NOT have any real or meaningful competition in terms of its original proposition regarding be your own bank that is backed by security through proof of work.  What other coin has that, including the extent of bitcoin's various ongoing network effects and strong fundamentals with lightning network and various other upcoming implementations of creative and innovative decentralization.