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Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcointalk's UEFA Champions League Football Preditor Pool £25 in btc to join

on: June 01, 2019, 07:03:26 PM

Good luck everyone. Still very close at the top with only a few points deciding places so there could be a mix up depending on the outcome. I went tactical with the 2-2 draw given the positioning of those directly above and below me and because nobody other than tokeweed went with the draw (and same score) and I can't catch him in second anyway. I'm joint sixth so need at least a point from the draw which would take me into fifth place as slaman29 who is directly above me and LTI_btc who is directly below both went for Liverpool wins. For the record I think Liverpool will pinch it but decided to go all or nothing as the three points would take me all the way into third place as those above also backed the Liverpool win. Only one person had the balls to go with a Spurs win but he unfortunately can't win anything at this stage. Keep an eye out for the new Premier League and CL pools that I'll open for players to sign up within the next few days.

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Other / Meta / Re: Giving out merit to people you know, acceptable or not?

on: May 28, 2019, 04:06:23 PM

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Other / Meta / Re: Giving out merit to people you know, acceptable or not?

on: May 28, 2019, 03:25:55 PM

There's friends and then there's "friends". The trouble is, people always claim it's their "friend" when they get caught sending merit to their alts. Either way, it can still be seen as a bit shady because it's impossible to be impartial and people are more likely to give merit to their friend even when they don't deserve it. Other users are also more likely go unmerited if people constantly give merits to their pals (especially if you're not a merit source). Obviously this situation is a grey area and I think it should be taken on a case by case basis, but personally I think it can still count as abuse if you continually give merit to someone you know personally, though there's no rules against it and knowing someone in real life doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't merit them, but I think there is a real problem with people just meriting their buddies they know in real life and there's been some quite large merit farming exposed by users just passing/laundering merit between their pals/schoolmates/cousins/next door neighbours and that's when it leads to problems and obviously that shouldn't be ok. This also probably belongs more in Reputation as there aren't really any set in stone rules when giving merit and this sort of merit abuse (if it is indeed abuse) probably isn't going to be acted upon by the admins anyway.

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Other / Meta / Re: Infographic Stealing

on: May 26, 2019, 11:48:31 AM

What's next? Banning people for memes? If someone just posts an infographic with no context then it's probably spam and should be removed, but if somebody writes an original post and uses infographics or pictures or memes to back up what they're writing then I don't see an issue with it. Sure, provide sources if you can but this is not something we should be looking to punish if they don't. The entire context matters here as well. Is all they're posting infographics? If so, probably a spammer, but if they're using someone else's image to make a point then I really don't see the big deal here. Again, give credit if you can but this really isn't on the same level as the plagiarism issue we have here. Would you ban me for this post or is fair use/transformative enough: Quote from: hilariousetc on May 17, 2019, 01:34:51 PM Quote from: SuperPandaBear on May 16, 2019, 08:06:49 PM It should be the managers doing the casting and evaluating case by case. That's a funny joke. Do you have any more? Have you had accounts banned personally? You only seem to pop up to complain about sig bans . The problem here for a long time has been campaign managers aren't doing their job properly if at all and hence why we have such a huge problem with spam in the first place. If every campaign manager here did an exemplary job then we would have little issue with spam in the first place. Is that post bannable because I used an image I found on google? Should I spend time trying to track down the original owner to either source it properly or ask for permission to use it? If I had just posted the image then sure, pretty spammy, but not in context and used with the rest of the post to make a point.

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Other / Meta / Re: Spamming Announcements section with fake replies!!

on: May 25, 2019, 11:00:44 AM

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 25, 2019, 10:36:17 AM Quote from: hilariousetc on May 25, 2019, 09:41:14 AM Get rid of the Alt Coin Ann board as it is and every coin gets their own sub board there. We could maybe charge a fee for this privilege. Don't think this suggestion will work as this will put more responsibility on the forum. We have numerous ICO/IEO launching daily and they'll all love to capitalize on this suggestion of yours which means more moderators will be required also a large number of the community members especially newbies might see this as a form of endorsement to the project with subboard dedicated to them over others that don't have, just as they saw the acceptance of Grin as a payment options. How is it any different from the situation now? Whether we let them have their own board or not the spam and scam ICOs are still here regardless and requires no more moderation than they currently do. We could even let/make them moderate their own sections. Their spam; their problem, not ours. If we did that it would be less moderation and we shouldn't be cleaning up their mess for free anyway especially when they're the ones causing 90% of the issues in the first place. Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 25, 2019, 10:36:17 AM If the forum was to go ahead with this suggestion that means they will have to moderate scam by not giving the scam projects this privilege but we all know the forum doesn't moderate scam No it doesn't. Where are you pulling this logic from? Why are you not applying this same logic to letting them have a thread here? There's no difference between a sub board or a thread in this regard. A sub board is not a mark of legitimacy or endorsement just like having an ad slot here isn't: "Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction." ICO Sub boards are not endorsed or moderated by the Bitcoin Forum or Staff. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction There you go. Also, see your own statement: that's why it can't be held responsible for any scam event carried out on the forum Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 25, 2019, 10:36:17 AM What then happens if a project that was given a subboard turns out to be scam, this can damage the reputation of the forum. @hilariousetc can you clear me on this. Probably the same thing that happens now. Does the current scams that are all over the Alt coin and both Marketplaces damage the reputation of the forum?

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Other / Meta / Re: Spamming Announcements section with fake replies!!

on: May 25, 2019, 09:41:14 AM

Two ways to easily stop this: Threads can only be bumped once a day as long as someone posts in it. Bump can be made random to make it fairer to all. Get rid of the Alt Coin Ann board as it is and every coin gets their own sub board there. We could maybe charge a fee for this privilege. Most coins are spending a lot of money on promotion and bump bots so I'm sure they'll pay a fee to have their own sub board/url here. Either of these options will make paid bumping become useless. Something does need to be done about it because it has become a huge problem. In the meantime users can report obvious bots and they'll be nuked. Quote from: Sharon121212 on May 25, 2019, 06:53:04 AM You where approached about the bump services on telegram not so? Then go on to that platform and do the needful. The moderators here can not stop you from getting wooed into some service on other social media platform. But if you can get the forum profile name of this users they can be tagged If they went against the rules This isn't a problem with telegram and they'll do nothing about it. It's about how paid bumping effects others here and those that don't utilise it are going to be put at a disadvantage so we need to find a way to stop it here.

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Other / Meta / Re: Let's finally remove Locked and Self Mod topics from the Marketplace

on: May 24, 2019, 12:40:33 PM

Quote from: Steamtyme on May 24, 2019, 10:14:45 AM The few users who feel their topic will be spammed or they may be harassed can make use of the "report to moderator" function. The rest of the threads will be open to have reasonable questions asked and discussion to take place on this forum, considering this is where the Ads are placed. It will still depend on members to ask the right questions but I think there are plenty out there that patrol and will do just that. Whilst they can be abused they're also great for keeping trolls and spammers out of your own thread. If people don't like the moderation here (or lack thereof then they can moderate their own threads how they see fit). Mods rarely get involved with trolling or users just being annoying (and that is obviously completely subjective) so users should moderate their own threads and make up their own rules if they want. It others don't like it then they can either not post in those threads or create their own for censor free discussion. You can even self-moderate that one if you want and mod it how you like. Sure, there are lots of scammers taking advantage of it also but to me a self-modded and locked thread is a huge alarm bell and now we even have warnings for outside users if they're marked so I think people should just use their own initiative and protect themselves rather than relying on the forum to protect against scammers. Quote from: Steamtyme on May 24, 2019, 10:14:45 AM There have in the past been concerns as well around these features empowering and protecting the potential scams themselves. They can spread false information about escrows gear and anything they really want with little recourse available. Staff don't moderate scams so that's what the feedback system is for.

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Other / Meta / Re: [Ban Appeal] bill gator

on: May 23, 2019, 10:11:10 AM

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 23, 2019, 04:11:52 AM @theymos you know though your intervention on this particular issue will only make things worst. The account is already destroy with red tags and he has already lost his spot on the chipmixer campaign. Don't see how benefits the ban lifting was to him and this will only stir another reputed veteran argument on Reputation board well I'm keeping my popcorn ready for this one. Off to reputation board. My thoughts, you'll have used this case as a perfect example to pass a message that buying of account is discourage and plagiarism is unexcusable by allowing him to serve his 60days temp ban and unban his signature privilege after then for the reason you stated above. Well you know what's best for the forum so kudos. I kinda agree especially given the circumstances of the reputation of his account now. I totally understand theymos is doing what he feels is right and punishing someone for something they didn't do is wrong, but 60 days isn't long to wait and he can't really monetise his signature for much if at all now so whether he has one or not makes little difference, but it opens up a whole new can of worms. As theymos stated, people will now run with this "bought account" excuse. In fact, there's probably lots of bought accounts that were farmed in this way that are now more notable members. For all the problems this is likely going to cause I think it would have been best to just let the ban run, especially if looking into these cases by admins in detail isn't going to be commonplace as a whole lot of people are probably not going to get the same lenience or fairness. Quote from: Steamtyme on May 23, 2019, 04:15:42 AM Quote from: nutildah on May 23, 2019, 04:06:28 AM How do you feel about the idea of statutes of limitations on plagiarism cases? I think punishing somebody for a one-off offense done years ago (talking like 3 or more years ago) is a bit too stringent and the current plagiabot running around is a bit out of hand, leading to the banning of people for a mistake committed in 2014. Maybe the query or the rule should be tightened a bit. Just my opinion. Glad to see theymos's action here. It does show that there are still people looking over cases and reviewing the circumstances; much to the dismay of most of the complaints out there. The rest is for the "Trust" network to sort out for itself. But if it's only going to be once in a blue moon it'll be unfair to all the other cases that don't ever get looked into. Quote from: Steamtyme on May 23, 2019, 04:15:42 AM I don't agree with easing up on what the Bot is searching. If someone made the one mistake years ago, then they are receiving leniency, we've seen it for so many people now. If it's happening now instead of 4 or 5 years ago, probably better for them; as it's not a permaban. Had it happened then they would be Ban evading and there is no case for them to complain if they get caught. Anyone receiving these bans should just serve the time and wear the signature with gratitude, for their second chance. It shouldn't 'ease up' and should continue doing what it's doing, but discussing how we deal and punish 'historic' cases can certainly be up for debate. Sometimes I do feel it's harsh giving a year ban for one plagiarism made years ago, but the extent of their plagiarism may never be fully detected. I'm sure there's been a hell of a lot of people cleaning out their accounts of any posts they likely didn't make but to find them all amongst thousands would be very difficult. The bot won't find everything either, and I'm not sure how well it finds word spinners etc if at all.

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Other / Meta / Re: Plagiarism should remain a zero-tolerance bannable offense

on: May 22, 2019, 09:57:48 AM

Quote from: HCP on May 21, 2019, 10:54:26 PM What about the situation where the plagiarised posts predate the posting of the forum rules relating to plagiarism/copypasta? I've seen it mentioned a couple of times now that the rules relating to plagiarism were only added mid-2016. It's irrelevant when it was done as people should know this wouldn't be acceptable. If you purposely plagiarised someone else's post whether to farm an account or for financial gain then that tells us all we need to know and you're here for the wrong reasons. There's really no excuses for plagiarism other than laziness and greed. Quote from: LoyceV on May 22, 2019, 08:22:24 AM Quote from: suchmoon on May 21, 2019, 03:16:57 PM How about we give it some time, 90-120 days to let the temp bans expire and see how the sig-less copy-pasters perform. Will some of them disappear due to not getting paid? If they disappear and return after their signature ban expired, it means they didn't deserve the lenience in the first place. Quote In which case the sig ban is good enough, as it gives good users a second chance and effectively bans the financially-motivated ones. Will they abuse the sig ban? Not sure how they would do that though. Some avatars pay more than most signatures There is no avatar ban yet, even banned users get to keep it. If people try skirting their sig ban by monetising their avatars then they should also be removed. If they're not then maybe even negative feedback should be considered if they try monetise themselves in such a way as this is essentially just evading their bans.

1990

Economy / Reputation / Re: Stake.com (SteveStake) is encouraging spam.

on: May 21, 2019, 10:44:17 AM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on May 21, 2019, 03:49:17 AM Quote from: MICRO on May 20, 2019, 11:36:17 PM When i was doing signature campaigns for primedice back in 2014 we basically invented signature campaigns on this forum. Then it was starting to degrade quality of this forum and we decided to stop it. Now we are back again with stake campaign and we will make it strongest campaign on this forum. Ironic Very. I'd argue that the Stake campaign is the worst on the forum now (wouldn't have been if Yobit was still around). A glorious Stake-started thread here: https://web.archive.org/web/20190521081654/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134267.0 I'd bet there's some alts in that thread too. I actually think the Stake spam is worse now than it was back in the PrimeDice day. The worst of the PD spammers were quickly temp banned and most got the message once they did but there's far too many for staff to handle and it's not something we should have to deal with in the first place. There's far more people who have come to this board just for sig campaigns compared to back in the old days where it was mostly just existing users joining them, but I guess PrimeDice was the catalyst in popularising campaigns and once word got out then people flocked to the forum to abuse them and we ended up in the situation we have today where people have farmed accounts on an industrial scale to use just to earn via posting. Because Stake are seemingly accepting anyone and everyone those farmers are going to take advantage of it, especially because there's a lack of other campaigns for them to easily get on these days. All they need to do is do a bit of quality control and there wouldn't be any issues.

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Other / Meta / Re: Any managers lost good posters due recent mass ban?

on: May 21, 2019, 10:39:57 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on May 21, 2019, 08:07:30 AM Quote from: RapTarX on May 20, 2019, 07:18:36 AM Cellard was a great member of this forum, I'm not certain if he was promoting any of the project. Another user bill gator is too banned till 2021, he was promoting Chipmixer. These are only signature ban. The question is, how come dudes with an outstanding reputation like them did plagiarism? About the signature campaign, I think this mass ban only remove a small percentage of participants. I doubt it will affect the forum's dynamic since managers could quickly get new campaign participants. Not everyone starts out with an outstanding reputation. Some people obviously made a silly mistake a long time ago and some people can change their ways and become a productive member of the community. You could compare it to stealing a chocolate bar when you were a kid. Does that make you a thief for life and should it follow you around forever? Well if you keep on stealing then sure, but for others who change their ways and learn from their mistakes should be given a second chance. For some of these old timers that are getting banned I wonder if these people have bought these accounts that were farmed via spamming/copy and pasting? I doubt someone would forget that they've done this in the past, or maybe they're just playing dumb. It's very surprising how many users have done it and even more so for how long they got away with it.

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Other / Meta / Re: [Appeal] 1-2years sig ban is too much for Good for the forum users

on: May 18, 2019, 12:19:47 PM

You give people an inch and they want a mile. One or two years sig ban is better than not being able to post at all ever again. There's no excuses for copy and pasting other than greed and laziness and that should come along with a harsh punishment but it's certainly not as harsh as it was a week ago. Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 17, 2019, 08:49:43 PM If a forum member have been lable "good for the forum", that's a users that have helped contributed positively to the growth of the forum either by quality contributions, scam/spam busting etc, I believe the 1-2years ban from wearing signatures is just too much. Maybe a lesser punishment should been introduced, I'm ok with the 60days or more temporary ban as the case may be but for the signature aspect, I suggest it should be reduced to months. Maybe maximum 4-6months and if they commit same offends whether with past or future post, they get permanent ban. I know they have already received some mercy by not getting permanent banned like regular users but the forum administrators should show more mercy as these users have showed interest in making the forum better, it should be reduced to months as this will definitely affect their activeness on the forum. From a concerned forum member who haven't be affected in any form. Why do you care so much about this? If they're good for the forum then they can continue doing what they do and monetising their signature is irrelevant to that, but they should be grateful that we've relaxed the rule at all.

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Other / Meta / Re: Any managers lost good posters due recent mass ban?

on: May 17, 2019, 04:20:00 PM

Quote from: Steamtyme on May 17, 2019, 02:22:14 PM Quote from: hilariousetc on May 17, 2019, 01:34:51 PM Sorry, which campaign manager are you again? If you feel like certain people are worthy of hiring then hire them for something else. Plenty of job opportunities here other than merely posting. Honestly, I'm not sure what we can do here because we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. We changed the rule to give people a second chance and people are still complaining. Maybe if the people who have sig bans stick around and contribute actively and continue to receive merit then we can consider reducing the sig ban, but the fact that we've even started giving people second chances should be applauded because prior to this it was a death sentence for life. We accepted that was harsh in certain cases and have relaxed the rule. I really wish people just weren't so lazy and entitled that they decided to copy and paste in the first place and then none of this would need to have happened in the first place. People should see signature campaigns as the blessing that they are because there's going to be a whole lot of people who miss them if we ever ban signature campaigns outright and that's certainly always an option and one theymos has considered. I don't think most people have an issue with this. I'd argue most of the members who receive the reduced punishment, will happily accept this. I'm interested to see how many people do continue to post and remain active, even if it's at a reduced rate, these are the people I want to see stick around. Like you said this was a huge step forward in having a sliding scale of appropriate punishment, what are the odds any of these members would be here at all if they hadn't flown under the radar a few years back. People will still complain. Seen a couple already (or alts/friends of users). They may have had the death sentence overturned but they've still got a year or two in jail and that's going to be a loss of earnings for a year as well which will be the only motivation many people who get caught plagiarising are here for. Many will still be happy to have access to their accounts but for the vast majority of people they're probably only here to earn so it's as good as or at least for the duration of their ban. I can't see many people who get a ban sticking around and posting much when they can't monetise doing so. Maybe a few posts here and there to collect activity and keep the account ticking over but more often than not I'd bet most accounts will become very inactive unless they have other business here. Quote from: r1s2g3 on May 17, 2019, 02:13:13 PM Quote from: SuperPandaBear on May 16, 2019, 08:06:49 PM Now im having a hard time picking up experienced posters. In your post history , I am not able to find which bounty campaign you are managing. But still I do not think we have lost many good members but few good members and I hope they will be unbanned soon. I doubt he is one. I'd say it's more likely he's had an account banned previously. There's definitely no shortage of decent posters to choose from but looks like this is the excuse he's going to run with rather than the truth of what really is bothering him.

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Other / Meta / Re: Any managers lost good posters due recent mass ban?

on: May 17, 2019, 01:34:51 PM

Quote from: SuperPandaBear on May 16, 2019, 08:06:49 PM I have lost good Hero and Legendary posters on my list What list is this and can we see it? Quote from: SuperPandaBear on May 16, 2019, 08:06:49 PM It should be the managers doing the casting and evaluating case by case. That's a funny joke. Do you have any more? Have you had accounts banned personally? You only seem to pop up to complain about sig bans . The problem here for a long time has been campaign managers aren't doing their job properly if at all and hence why we have such a huge problem with spam in the first place. If every campaign manager here did an exemplary job then we would have little issue with spam in the first place. Quote from: SuperPandaBear on May 16, 2019, 08:06:49 PM It feels like the state is telling me who I can hire or not. Sorry, which campaign manager are you again? If you feel like certain people are worthy of hiring then hire them for something else. Plenty of job opportunities here other than merely posting. Honestly, I'm not sure what we can do here because we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. We changed the rule to give people a second chance and people are still complaining. Maybe if the people who have sig bans stick around and contribute actively and continue to receive merit then we can consider reducing the sig ban, but the fact that we've even started giving people second chances should be applauded because prior to this it was a death sentence for life. We accepted that was harsh in certain cases and have relaxed the rule. I really wish people just weren't so lazy and entitled that they decided to copy and paste in the first place and then none of this would need to have happened in the first place. People should see signature campaigns as the blessing that they are because there's going to be a whole lot of people who miss them if we ever ban signature campaigns outright and that's certainly always an option and one theymos has considered. Quote from: btcsmlcmnr on May 17, 2019, 10:28:17 AM By the way, I would like to ask this, so please give me answer if you know it. Quote from: btcsmlcmnr on May 17, 2019, 08:19:56 AM It raise the ideas that why old users here don't spend their time to check their past posts. I'm sure there are many users who have gone through their post history and deleted most or even all of their plagiarised content. I've seen people admit they've deleted their unsubstantial posts before. It would be quite a job to remember or find every single post they copied so I'm sure they'd miss some, especially if they've got thousands of posts. The bots that are running now are less forgetful though.

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Other / Meta / Re: The current permaban situation is ridiculous

on: May 15, 2019, 04:36:06 PM

Quote from: DaveF on May 15, 2019, 03:06:37 PM Quote from: hilariousetc on May 15, 2019, 02:39:51 PM Quote from: DaveF on May 15, 2019, 02:11:12 PM I really did not want to get into this, but I do think the situation as of now is getting out of hand. We have bots posting tons of garbage getting banned, BUT good / legit users getting a smackdown on something they did years ago. And some good users are NOT COMING BACK. Users can appeal. If we feel that they're a net positive and it was for something that happened years ago then a sig ban will likely be issued. Several have already been done today and many more will likely come. The problem is that they some are not appealing. I know 1 user IRL that just walked away. Now there were other factors involved, but this was the final push. That is part of the issue. He might be back, might not. You can now find him spending a lot of time on an ieee board. -Dave Well there's nothing we can do about that but I'm sure word will spread pretty quick and many users will be reappearing to try claim their accounts back. Most people who got banned are probably still here just on alts so I'm they'll see it. Tell your friend he can appeal if he wants. I'm not sure what you're complaining about here though. Would you rather us not issue sig bans and just leave everyone permanently banned? Quote from: DaveF on May 15, 2019, 04:30:35 PM Quote from: Quickseller on May 15, 2019, 04:17:04 PM If you are aware of anyone who just “walks away” and you think they should be allowed to return, you should encourage them to appeal their ban with reasons to why returning would benefit the forum. I really did not want to go down this road, so I will leave it at this: They were banned for plagiarism for several things for several years, from many places. The issue is that it was their work. Proving that would reveal: 1) Their real name. 2) Their real job. 3) 90% of their home address, 99.9999% of their work address. 4) Where they went to school. So, he walks away. His choice. Not going to get into it. -Dave They can appeal to mods or admins in private if they feel like they can't make their claim publicly.

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Other / Meta / Re: The current permaban situation is ridiculous

on: May 15, 2019, 02:39:51 PM

Quote from: DaveF on May 15, 2019, 02:11:12 PM I really did not want to get into this, but I do think the situation as of now is getting out of hand. We have bots posting tons of garbage getting banned, BUT good / legit users getting a smackdown on something they did years ago. And some good users are NOT COMING BACK. Users can appeal. If we feel that they're a net positive and it was for something that happened years ago then a sig ban will likely be issued. Several have already been done today and many more will likely come. Quote from: DaveF on May 15, 2019, 02:11:12 PM The other issue is, we are all human with different opinions. Where do you draw the line on "is this plagiarism" Case by case basis but 99% of plagiarism is cut and dry, but as with all mod actions we will take several factors involved and decide appropriate outcome. Everyone can't have it their own way but the rule used to be that if you plagiarised you got a permaban; now at least that has been relaxed and people can have a second chance if we feel it's appropriate. Quote from: DaveF on May 15, 2019, 02:11:12 PM Picking on Vod who I both like and and has done a TON of good for the forum [way more then most other people], if he did something back in 2012 that is worthy of a plagiarism perma ban does he get it? If he does, I hate to say it that's just stupid. If he starts TODAY and does it a few times, then fine he is outta here. He would probably get a sig ban, but as far as I'm aware he's never monetised his signature before. Copying a paragraph or material from elsewhere should always be quoted but it's not something we would probably issue a permaban for now and is one of the reasons why I've been pushing for sig bans because not all plagiarism is equal, but there's a big difference between that and purposefully plagiarising someone else's post for profit especially when you've done it multiple times.

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Other / Meta / Re: @theymos - Request: Multisig addresses for treasurers

on: May 15, 2019, 01:08:14 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on May 13, 2019, 07:45:25 PM Quote from: Royse777 on May 13, 2019, 07:41:14 PM I know OG gets 0.5BTC meaning more key holders, more money to pay every month. I think the current BTC0.5-per-month fee is ridiculously high and having 7 treasurers wouldn't require paying each one a similar fee. Probably BTC0.02 or BTC0.05 for each one would be more than enough. In my opinion 2-of-3 isn't enough (but still much better than now of course). Why is a recurring fee even necessary? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't turn a fee down if someone offered me it but it doesn't seem like it's essential for doing something that requires no effort once it's been set up. Is OG still being paid 0.5 a month? I know many people like to do things in bitcoin around here but this is why paying things fixed in fiat often makes much more sense, especially if it's a long-term arrangement. It's obviously worked out great for OG but not for the forum and could get much worse. Quote from: Royse777 on May 13, 2019, 08:03:44 PM Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on May 13, 2019, 07:58:55 PM Quote from: EcuaMobi on May 13, 2019, 07:45:25 PM I think the current BTC0.5-per-month fee is ridiculously high and having 7 treasurers wouldn't require paying each one a similar fee. Probably BTC0.02 or BTC0.05 for each one would be more than enough. I think it would even be better to peg the fee to the US Dollar rate. From what I can tell... BTC's volatility seem to be back. This is a Bitcoin forum. We are hoping Bitcoin to establish as the main currency of the world. I know this may take few decades if not centuries but I would like to see a world where the main currency will be Bitcoin. So we better stop compering fiat with Bitcoin :-D So you're perfectly fine to do long-term deals in fixed in bitcoin? 0.5 a month was probably mere hundreds when it was initially given. Now it's literally thousands. Quote from: Quickseller on May 13, 2019, 11:41:21 PM OgN has shown himself to be able to be trusted with the money -- he has not touched the money, even as its value exceeded $10 million, this is true even if you need to ask probing questions when relying on information provided by him. Well I think the ultimate confirmation of that would be if/when he sends it back (and not saying he wont). Can't remember the guys name but there was one treasurer who was refusing to send the money back initially because his 'wife' was holding his hard drives to ransom or something because someone had said something "she" didn't like here. Obviously complete bullshit and he was just annoyed but he did return them in the end once he'd calmed down which I'll give him credit for. Quote from: LoyceMobile on May 13, 2019, 09:25:36 PM If there's going to be a multisig treasurer system, wouldn't it make sense to only pay the treasurers for their services after the funds have been paid back? Well they could still refuse to send it back if the money was more than they were owed in fees. Quote from: Quickseller on May 13, 2019, 11:41:21 PM If you were to rely on the fact that two "people" are truly separate people, you will have difficulty verifying this information. First you need to verify they are two distinct people, but this is difficult because locations can easily be faked. Next you need to evaluate if the various keyholders have existing business or personal relationships that might conflict with the assumption the keyholders will not collude to steal the money. Two people that run a business venture together are going to be similar to being one person as they are likely to be loyal to eachother, and their financial success not only depends on the others' reputation, but also their financial situations are likely to be similar and will depend on how successful their venture is. The same is true if two people later form a venture after becoming a stakeholder. if two people have frequently traded with eachother, or are otherwise friendly, they may not disclose an (unsuccessful) attempt to collude to steal funds as a "joke" or would not otherwise report such an attempt. I've suggested previously to look for people who already have a very high reputation amongst the community and have a history of holding and returning large amounts of money in the past (people like Dooglus etc). People who are already multimillionaires and have businesses here with reputations to keep are unlikely to run off with money they've been entrusted with. Alternatively and to rule out any shenanigans, maybe it's better for thyemos to just hold the money himself in maybe a safe deposit box and get some sort of legal contract drawn up in case of his death (or whatever) that the money will then be sent to certain trustees or to certain trustees multisig walllets. Quote from: yahoo62278 on May 14, 2019, 12:46:13 AM If theymos thought there was a need to change up the way things have been done, i'm sure it would have been done by now. I'll would almost guarantee that he has the home address and real name of OGNasty in case something like theft were to happen. He's mentioned in the staff forum that it's a concern. Probably just on his huge list of "to-do's" around here but I guess it should be prioritised.

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Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cloudbet's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread

on: May 15, 2019, 12:37:18 PM

Quote from: Indymoney on May 14, 2019, 07:37:28 AM I also want to be in for next season hopefully I will check this on time and pay fees for in good luck to all and congrats to current season winners. I'll start a new thread in Games and Rounds soon for the new tournaments so keep an eye out there. Can the winners PM me their addresses and I'll get the payments out sometime this week? Winners are: 1. LFC_Bitcoin 2. panjul07 3. oeleo 4. BitSat 5. Mattle40 Consolation prizes for the highest scorers from a round are: MoSala: 26 stephencurry333: 20.5 SyGambler: 19.5 unyil: 19.5 slaman29: 19

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Other / Meta / Re: The current permaban situation is ridiculous

on: May 15, 2019, 12:23:50 PM

The current plagiarism situation is ridiculous. Fixed that for you. Sure, more info probably should be given but it's not very feasible right now (though I've requested changed to how bans are handled and what info is displayed but it's probably not a priority right now). An alternative is to just not plagiarise others work and then people would have nothing to worry about. Quote from: kenzo tamasaki on May 14, 2019, 02:38:23 AM Many valuable members got banned for life and we cannot contact them again as we only talked across PM. Banned for life for what's most likely some bullshit reason done years ago which does not justify a permaban weighting in the contributions for the forum. Unless you started an expert, everyone's posting history was pretty lame at the beginning. Someone in power that wants to harm you will find something across 1000's of posts to ban you. Since they don't need to give details they can freely banhammerize anyone they please, ruining your account for life and everything that it means for the people that spent ages here. If they're valuable then they can appeal. Globals can now issue sig bans and will be given to those who we feel are net positive. Quote from: kenzo tamasaki on May 14, 2019, 02:38:23 AM This is most likely a tool for someone in charge to get rid of people they don't like anyway. It really isn't. It's a tool to get rid of plagiarisers and if you haven't done that then there's nothing to worry about.

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Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cloudbet's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread

on: May 12, 2019, 01:39:24 PM

Looks like the top four are all guaranteed a winning place now regardless of the results today, but fifth place is still all to play for. There's only six points between tenth and fourth place so anyone of them could grab it still. If anyone is out of the top five race you could still grab a consolation prize for a high scoring round but you'll need to beat 19.5 points or more to be in with a chance of winning so don't give up just yet (though I have ). I'm really hoping City go a goal down early or it's something like 0-0 at half time so it makes it a bit more exciting and gives Liverpool the shot. In reality I think City have an easier time today and will probably comfortably win against Brighton but I'm expecting both to win. Will Ageuro get another last minute goal that wins them the title? I hope not.

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