I've run a benchmark between three Zero pools for the last few days:
Suprnova, Community Pool, Forgetop.

I had a 480 gpu run in each pool and mining started at the same time.
Since the three cards had slightly different hashrates, I added a column with "normalized" results corresponding to a hashrate of 10S/s per card.

Here are the results:

HUSBAND: Today we hired a new colleague at work, she looks talented.
WIFE: If you like her that much, give me a divorce and go live with her. Good luck

There are not many people out there who are good at making miners. Actually, there are very few.
For one of them to spend time to make a miner, there has to be a significant incentive (=reward).
Since there is no premining nor masternodes or bounties, getting a skilled person to program a new miner is not that easy.
Things were different in the beginning, when difficulty was very low so the first one to make a miner could easily mine a few thousand coins and this way get rewarded.
Zero also uses a modified zcash algorithm, so it is not as easy as well to get a working open source miner and adapt it. The fact that Optiminer is closed-source, makes things even more difficult.

So unless we can somehow personally help towards making a new miner, I guess we have to be patient and wait for the dev team to deliver the roadmap goals.

As for the fee, it's 1.5% in the newest Linux version and 2.5% in the older Windows version.
The fee can be bypassed by a switch, and I think that some pools already bypass it by blocking some ip (not confirmed).
But personally, I wouldn't care even if the fee was 5%, as long as mining zero keeps being quite profitable.

Try 65%-70% pow, and core +100 or +150, you will see that the hashrate doesn't decrease almost at all, and electricity consumption gets even lower!

I guess that Google doesn't agree with you:

"Why HTTPS Matters"

https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/security/encrypt-in-transit/why-https?hl=en

Beginning in July 2018 with the release of Chrome 68, Chrome will mark all HTTP sites as “not secure”

https://security.googleblog.com/2018/02/a-secure-web-is-here-to-stay.html

Don't rush into conclusions and please don't spread fud.

Zero stands out of the competition exactly because of the modified algorithm, which offers significant advantages:

1) faster transactions
2) fewer electricity expenses for miners; gpus get also colder compared to mining any other coin, ensuring longer life
3) cannot be mined by a significant proportion of gpus with low mem/ older gen, this way allowing mining to be more profitable since many farms with 4GB gpus prefer not to mine Zero.

These are true technical hard-coded advantages and not just some temporary factors.

On the other hand, the modified algorithm makes it harder to implement wallets and miners that are otherwise easily available for all other zcash forks.
So you can't compare BitcoinZ with Zero, as BitcoinZ is just another zcash fork, without any true differentiation.

Features such as new miners and wallets are on Zero's roadmap. If they don't get released on time, then yes, you are very welcome to criticize.

Don't forget that Zero was abandoned and just taken over around the end of November, so it is too early and since it is only traded in a small exchange, price manipulations by whales are not surprising.

I know you hold a bag of BitcoinZ and you are actively promoting it, but try to understand the issues I explained above and keep from shilling BitcoinZ here.

I found out why the pool looks like it's down. Other users verified it as well.

It's because the pool link only works as "pool.zero-currency.com".
If you copy/paste the link from your browser or from within an app, the link appears as "https://pool.zero-currency.com" and this link does not work, as it returns a 502 error.

I think this should be fixed, as it makes people think the pool is not working.

Shame on you!

You still support someone who STOLE a fund that was meant to help Zero development.
He claimed to return it or part of it and he never did. The proof is out there in ZeroExplorer.
Stealing and running away is decency and professionalism, right?

As for "interviews", you probably don't even know the meaning of the word. There are better tools than Google translator, I guess.
I dare you to show me these interviews.

Yes, I promote the community pool because as I explained, it will help Zero grow. It is the only realistic source of funds right now.

So it is acceptable for you to advertise your own pool but the community pool should stay in the dark, hey! Nice double standards!

As for names such as "mental impotence" and "weak head", they just validate your complete lack of reasoning and valid arguments.

Perhaps your nickname should be "loco" instead. I hope they cure you in that hospital you are, because there is definitely something wrong with you. Better to focus on your recovery...

Ναι νομίζω θέλει τηλέφωνο απ' όσο θυμάμαι, για να σου στείλει κωδικό επιβεβαίωσης.

And here is the rest. At the end lokko pretends everything is ok and a couple days later, after seeing his pool with no miners, decides it's all my fault...

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 18:48]
Ok, i tested your pool regarding the exploit Demarsac mentioned, and you are shielded, so all good

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 18:49]
I just moved one of my two rigs in your pool

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:49]
nice thanks for testing

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 18:49]
and told a friend of mine who has 20+gpus to do the same, maybe he already did

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 18:53]
There is one thing I think is very important though, and this is transparency. I really suggest you should bring back the miners stats. These stats help identify if your pool is fair with rewards and if there are no issues with fair distribution of rewards.

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:54]
yeah look on stats

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:54]


minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:54]
but you need your t adress for that

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 18:55]
I can see my own stats, but you used to have a list with all workers stats. Where is this now?

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:55]
sure

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:55]
thats important

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:55]
go on stats and your adress enter

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 18:56]
I did, and then?

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:56]
ähm

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:56]
give me your address

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 18:56]
t1************************

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:57]
this is still z-nomp, but i made an anonymous pool out of it everyone can see his statistics, that was the main task

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:57]
http://minerentry.com/workers/t*********************#

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:57]
go on stats enter your address

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:57]
and wait a few seconds

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 18:58]
Mate I told you I have done this already. I don't wanna see just my address, I want to see the list of all addresses mining in your pool, and I wanna see who finds what block

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:59]
no thats not more anonymous

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 18:59]
everyone can see his statistics, if minerentry would not pay fairly, the miners would notice it immediately, the miners are not stupid!

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:00]


minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:03]
I can not make something different from an anonymous pool just because users want to see the statistics of others, that's really for me
 no argument, also I would have to change everything again, excuse me please, you know me and know that I cheat no one, I'm lokko

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 19:03]
Sorry but miners can be lazy and not looking at the stats 24/7. Comparing addresses hashrates and blocks found, was a way to identify cheaters. So my recommendation is to turn your pool back to the way it was. There is no need for this kind of shady anonymity. If someone needs to be anonymous, he/she can make a new address and mine to it. Not knowing the list of miners and not being able to check the distribution of awards, scares me.

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:03]
block found you can see that

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 19:05]
Yes, every pool finds blocks. I need to see stats of other miners to compare rewards wth other pools and wtm predictions. If you don't wanna do this, it's fine, I' ll just go back to the pool I came from.

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:06]
Constantine, you're suggesting something to me, and if you really think that I'm cheating, that the zero has driven on, then I'm really sorry, but minerentry stays the way it is, it's pretty cheeky of you, honestly

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:08]
others show you all the statistics and cheat you anyway

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 19:08]
I am not saying that you are cheating , I am saying that keeping the stats anonymous, you are potentially (even without your will) helping cheaters to remain anonymous. I don't see ANY legitimate reason behind anonymity.

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 19:08]
Yes, but I am able to avoid a pool if I see something wrong with the stats. If you hide the stats, I'm in the blind.

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:09]
then go to another pool and let yourself be cheated, but I'll keep doing as before with statistic from others or not
Minerentry is fair and stays that way

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:09]
sorry thats my baby

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 19:09]
You didn't actually reply WHY you 're doing this.

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:10]
ok

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:10]
i will say it

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:10]
give me 2 min i have to translate

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 19:10]
ok

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:12]
I wanted to make the pool anonymous because zero is also anonymous, the pool should have all the important functions that are necessary so that every single miner can calculate his statistics and knows if he earns more or less. and it should be something special, a little bit underground, so far nobody has complained many find the pool even beautiful,

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:13]
you know me and know who I am, my name is not forgetop or suprnova, or mining.pools

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:14]
Minerentry is supposed to be a company, do you think I'm risking that, well, why do you think I made the pool two months ago, even though he ran incredibly well so as not to hurt my name

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:15]
I had too little time therefore

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:17]
you can really relax

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:17]
😂

ConstantinGR, [28.01.18 19:21]
Look, just because nobody has complained it doesn't mean anything to me. I always dig below the surface and I don't care how things look like. I have a scientific training and this is what I follow always. So I don't mind about people, I mind about their actions. I have nothing against suprnova, so I exposed his lies without any fear. I found the way to make optiminer work with nvidias, and I shared it without thinking it would hurt my own mining hash. I also helped towards exposing the cheat that Demarsac announced yesterday. So this is who I am. If I feel something is not right, I am telling it right away in your face, without caring if you were rigthful so far or not. I know you were, but your public affection towards tearo and you sudden cease of the pool are two things to worry about. Furthermore, as I explained to you, if anyone wishes anonymity, they should pick a new address and nobody will find out. As you know, t addresses are not really anonymous so you don't really ensure any anonymity, since if someone wants to dig into your rewards, they can use zeroexploer.

Anyway, as you said, it's your business and your choice. You won't have my support this way though.

Cheers

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:25]
Man, I made the pool because I'm in the hospital and still, I had too little time in the beginning, and before anything goes wrong, I prefer to end it. I used only for tearo because I got my coins back, actually was tearo with a reason why I made the pool, because the block explorer was not running and I heard nothing more of tearo, that seemed strange to me

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:25]
i closed the pool

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:26]
Man, I closed the pool because I'm in the hospital and still, I had too little time in the beginning, and before anything goes wrong, I prefer to finish it. I used only for tearo because I got my coins back, actually was tearo with a reason why I have closed the pool, because the block explorer was no longer running and I heard nothing more of tearo, that seemed strange to me

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:27]
I respect you and think it's good that you are committed, but please i do the same

minerentry.com, [28.01.18 19:46]
no problem constantine, it's your free decision, maybe we'll see each other again if the pool runs long enough and you can see all that is old without any statistic of others. You are always welcome to me, I am not mad at you, but already disappointed. all the best to you

Well here is the full transcript showing that lokko had absolutely no idea what the exploit was, and that he was asking me to start mining in his pool:

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 07:48]
hey are you there?

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 07:48]
hey, the pool is running fine now, would you like to try it again?

ConstantinGR, [27.01.18 09:34]
Are you protected from invalid shares?

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 15:59]
Invalid shares can occur if someone uses a wrong miner, but that is not bad because the shares are not counted.
you probably mean the security story in linux kernel, yes that's fixed with me

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 16:41]
yeah isee what you mean

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 16:41]
i fix it

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 16:41]
"banning": {
        "enabled": true,
        "time": 600, //How many seconds to ban worker for
        "invalidPercent": 50, //What percent of invalid shares triggers ban
        "checkThreshold": 500, //Check invalid percent when this many shares have been submitted
        "purgeInterval": 300 //Every this many seconds clear out the list of old bans
    },

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 17:20]
but this was is in my pool default settings, i have nothing to fix

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 17:20]


minerentry.com, [27.01.18 17:23]
you mean this

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 17:23]
protected Reading privileged memory with a side-channel

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 17:24]
thats fixed on my server

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 17:25]
but i understand this panic with invalid shares , thats a default z-nomp standard setting

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 17:26]
Do not be fooled, I think some pool owners are trying to cheat you and putting it on a bug

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 17:34]
if a miner make to many invalid shares, then ban !

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 17:34]
so have a nice day

ConstantinGR, [27.01.18 18:07]
I am not sure if you exactly understand what i mean, I will test your pool tomorrow and let you know, ok?

ConstantinGR, [27.01.18 18:08]
There are a couple of exploits I am aware that produce bad shares...

minerentry.com, [27.01.18 19:54]
no problem, i have understand that problem, my linux kernel is updated to this version , all good   https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3522-3/

Lokko, that's enough with all these personal attacks, don't you think?

What exactly do you hope to achieve by attacking Zero team and me personally (who I repeat, I am not a member of the team)?

Is it perhaps because of your pool's failure? You should blame yourself for quitting the wrong time. It's nobody else's fault if your friend Tearo left (with some zero that wasn't his own!), and you had no support to run the pool, because you simply don't know anything about it!

You accuse telegram. Do you forget who founded the telegram group? I will remind you that it was Ingar, the same guy who helped you redesign your own pool! So you are shooting at your own feet, hey?
Why don't you point the gun to your head after accusing zero team for all this shit?

If development is not real, then who updated the zero code to 1.0.14?

I told you very nicely that I didn't like the fact that you hid the miners addresses and I could not support you unless you reverted to the way your pool was before. You denied. You failed. Blame yourself.

My contributions to Zero currency are all over this ANN, with active help towards miners, with releasing a modded Opriminer, with helping towards unmasking the mining exploit.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? YOU EVEN DENY TO CONTRIBUTE A POOL FEE TOWARDS ZERO DEVELOPMENT.
If you think that developing another miner is that easy, then try to do it yourself, instead of blaming the way the community pool is set up.

Well it doesn't matter because you don't have any miners and judging by your attitude, you will never have.

As for my role here and "trying to play" here, my only interest is zero to do well, something that will benefit me as a miner and as an investor.

But at this point, it is obvious why as this poison is coming from you towards myself. It is simply because you expected me to support your pool and I didn't.

Despite the conflict I had with you, I have nothing personal against you; When I think something is wrong, I feel that I have to express my opinion as long as I feel I have valid arguments.
Exactly because of your long experience, I didn't expect the fee issue to take place.

I also was worried about another issue related to block finding, wtm and suprnova, and after a nice and civilized conversation with Sailor32, I was the first to say that there was nothing wrong.

I am mining in suprnova as we speak.

Now regarding the exploit, I tested most major pools and found out that suprnova was the only one rejecting low difficulty shares.
By the way, this is exactly how Science works, mr lokko.

The algorithm is more intensive and it works better with more card memory. This is because of the equihash parameters changed. Without these changes, zero would be just another zcash clone. The changes ensure better transaction times and other benefits described in the first page of this thread.

I would also add that this memory limit is one very significant factor that made zero mining quite profitable.

Some cards with 4GB and 6GB still work, provided that they are supported by Optiminer.

...Having 4 children must be tough, especially if you invest in crypto at the ATH and see your savings get 80% down.

...So I understand where all this frustration/stress/fud is coming from.

You need to provide more details. If you 'd like more immediate answers, join the telegram group.

You may also find detailed FAQ and setup instructions here:

http://zero.forgetop.com/getting-started

http://zero.forgetop.com/faq

Guess what, I am not going to do you the favor.

Your "facts" are exactly one-sided, just like I said above. You cannot only consider a coin's performance during the last 30 days. If you only care about short term profit or flipping, this makes sense, but zero is a project that will take time to mature. Nobody promised "moon" and having such expectations for the short term is childish. Zero has a roadmap, and roadmap accomplishments are the ones to increase its value in the future. Given the very small volume of transactions and cryptopia's monopoly, price manipulation is very easy, so there is no surprise here.

My English is very carefully written, so I did not call YOU a liar, I stated that interpreting statistics the way you want is a convenient way to lie.

On the other hand, you are being aggressive once again, and you called me names, such as "child", "spoiled", "not know anything about life", "unbalanced mind".

When you call someone names, it is the definition of being aggressive.

You also miss the point/purpose of the telegram group. Since you can't understand, its purpose is to promote zero and to assist people who want to mine or buy zero. Continuous complaining is considered as fudding and it is explicitly stated in the welcome that fudding is not allowed. If you are not happy with the rules, stay away.

 

Παιδιά έφτιαξα ένα telegram γκρουπάκι μόνο για Έλληνες miners/κατόχους zero.
To link είναι

https://t.me/joinchat/HO9tolIXxZv_tX2SF0O1UA

Σκοπός του group είναι η πιο άμεση ανταλλαγή απόψεων/συμβουλών για το ζίρο, δίχως fudding και δίχως spamming.

Αν έρθετε, παρακαλώ όχι συνεχή ποσταρίσματα με χαζοgif, από αυτά έχουμε μπόλικα στο επίσημο zero tg group.

When you cry "wolf" without valid arguments...

Datalore crying "zencash is dead"