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Laurent banned me for asking to release any of proofs or documents that they promised here or in telegram.
I wasnt rude. I am interested in investing. I even explained him he can black out critical info.
All they say is no warn u if u ask again then ban u.
Tell ppl to use search function.
Anyway its day to ico and they promised to release some info.
I bet none will be.
Looks like this ico is based on promises and hype only.
Its okay if u invest 1000 or 2000$ but its not if you want invest 100 000 or 300 000 is it?
If you ask some hard proofs they will ban you. Yeh so other sheep won't see it.
Absolute bullshit
I am from this industry, I have asked questions over and over, they simply ignore it and they spread false calculations and have completely unrealistic ideas or just lie about the project. I have built mining containers myself and, it takes a while to build them and you need to order electrical appliances that are not available easy at all times. To build 200 pcs/month is total nonsense, you would need about 700 people with experience to do that and there is no hardware readily available for them, especially transformators. Also they act like every powerstation has transformators ready for theyr mining containers. This is untrue, almost no power station has this available because there is no need and the invetsment can be up to 30K USD for a transformator and cabling. On top, in most countries there is no way you could put up a container somewhere, either because in northern developed countries you are not allowed to do so, and in southern countries its to cold to do this, no matter what cooling system you use because if outside temperature is 40, asics want work no matter how much air you move, Last but not least, excess energy, give me a break, this happens like 50 hrs / year and you can check this on EEX, its nonsense, do they realy believe people are so stupid to build a powerstation for millions and then find out nobody needs the energy ? There is an exchange for electricity and energy has its price. Also the highest price for energy is paid for regular electricity which is what they need. Also the standard way to build a container as done by many other companies holds about 150 miners with like 1200 GPU and not 60 with only 500 GPU. . About the 161% I have posted earlier, there is no f.. way to make these returns for you guys, please use your brain, there is a reason they ban everybody and do not allow to check or discuss the calculation |
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Nice project! I read about dual currency mining, which currencies are you guys planning to mine? who decides which coin is going to be mined? And what is the problem solver when the difficulty goes up for specific coins?
Currently it will mine Bitcoin and Ethereum. The software decides what is profitable and switches automated in case one of those coins are not profitable anymore. The MMUs scale up over time so the difficulty shouldn't be much of a problem. Can you explain how you will pay 161% in profits to all tokenholders starting January and at the same time building up your facilities over time ? I thought this is either or ? Because if you do not build up and have it running by say January, you will need to pay dividens from your capital and then what you become is a ponzi scheme, If you only raise 10 Mio USD, you will need for example 6000 s9 miners delivered in January, in order to do so, you must have paid and ordered them back in October, otherwise you need to buy on the secondary market for double the price, then the calculation does not work anymore. SO MY QUESTION IS: 1) HOW DO YOU BUILD UP OVER TIME AND IMMEDIATLY AT THE SAME MOMENT 2) HOW MANY S9 HAVE YOU ORDERED AND PAID BY NOW ? |
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I really appreciate the effort.Everyone should go through your finding before Investing.
We would actually appreciate a bit more of an effort before people start making accusations. The OP did not do a simple Google search on incorporating a company in Switzerland before insinuating that we are operating dishonestly. Here's the first Google result for me: https://startups.ch/en/inform/foreignentrepreneurs/faq/You will see that CHF 150,000 were invested because that's the amount required for a public limited company. The ICO cost is estimated at $1.5 million which has mostly been raised already. Details in the WP. Our CEO was indeed a journalist and has since had a two-decade career in the energy industry and runs an energy investment firm: http://www.quadrat-capital.com/management/He has a very public profile and has helped lead many startups to success in the energy industry. We have filed for a patent for our high-efficiency air cooling system. Our legal team estimates that it will be processed and available for your confirmation on the DPMA registration site in the next week or two. Patent filing number: 102017125540.0. We did not develop this technology in one month, but over the course of many months of R&D. Operating in stealth mode during R&D and product development is a normal process—especially in the hardware business—to protect the intellectual property of the company and the negotiations with suppliers and customers until they are finalized. Envion was made public when it made business sense to do so and our website, LinkedIn profiles, etc reflect that. We know that anyone knowledgeable about startups and business understands how secrecy during the incubation period can be essential to success. Now that we are public, we are operating with full transparency and we would encourage everyone to investigate and question our business. However, we would also like the opportunity to engage directly with everyone so that we can answer questions before any accusations of dishonesty. The OP has shown a complete unwillingness to engage in dialogue with us. I hope you do your research and see how we have responded and go through ALL the public information on envion. Please also do us the courtesy of informing yourself on the normal requirements and practices for businesses in our industry. Lastly, envion's success is dependent on contracts with major energy industry customers. Regulation is the norm in that industry and it is certainly normal for our team. We operate transparently and in full compliance with financial and business regulations, not just because those are our values and we should do so to protect the investments of ICO participants, but also because one cannot operate in the energy industry if one is not in full compliance. We don't know how ICO scams operate and we have no interest in it. We are offering a security token that is already complaint with SEC and Swiss financial authority regulations. Envion is working to be traded on regulated exchanges. We have outside auditors and partnerships with public research institutions. It's shameful that unknown people with no social proof of identity can make accusations and threats about our business and that their claims are accepted with no scrutiny. Please do your due diligence before amplifying their message. hi envion (or AzakeB or Sparky71), i'm just catching up on all the information about envion...in your above post from about a month ago...you mentioned that " We have filed for a patent for our high-efficiency air cooling system. Our legal team estimates that it will be processed and available for your confirmation on the DPMA registration site in the next week or two. Patent filing number: 102017125540.0. We did not develop this technology in one month, but over the course of many months of R&D."... i tried going to the DPMA registration site to find out more about this but perhaps i wasn't doing it right...i was unable to find the relevant information... is this the right place to go to https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/depatisnet?action=einsteiger?it will be great if you can advise how i can search for the Patent filing number: 102017125540.0. thanks, tommy Apparently it takes a while for this information to show up on the DPMA web portal. If you really wish to verify the existence of the patent, then you must call DPMA directly to inquire about it. No idea where to find it, maybe someone from envion can offer a link for that claim. What is MUCH MIRE INTERESTING is that the name ENVION is Trademarked, also in Electrical Appliances etc. under 4264383 to be found at WIPO, so probably they must change their name pretty soon. Its the same company that can be found at envion.com |
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PS: Has anybody taken the time to calculate if 700 kW is morer smallerer, morer biggerer or the samer as 700 kW, the output of Hydro 2 and Hydro 3, respectively.
I am happy to answer the question of 700kw and 700 kW since I actually know both powerstations. Now in Murau the maximum capacity is 700 kw, however, because this station is pretty high up in the mountains it has large fluctuations and in some month the capacity can go down to as little as 70 kw. Close to Waidhofen on the Ybbs it's very different, the power station has maximum capacity of 1700 kw and Hydrominer has actually rented the 700 KW of power that is available on 350 of 365 days. On the other 15 days the powerstation has also a minimum of 500 kW. It's not so easy to compare the performance of Hydropowerstations as there are many other factors on top and I think HM keeps it simple in its communication, maybe in this case to simple. |
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HM hat das System umgestellt. Durch den Erwerb des Tokens erwirbst Du keine Beteiligung am Unternehmen (dafür hätten die eine Bankenlizenz gebraucht), sondern Du hast einen Gutschein gekauft, den du gegen einen Zweijahresvertrag fürs Schürfen eintauschen kannst. Und die rechtlichen Probleme sind angeblich überwunden. Oh, hab gerade gesehen, dass es schon einen threat auf bitcointalk zum Thema gibt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2188866.0Eine Bankenlizenz braucht es dafür nicht, nur ein Kapitalmarktprospekt und einen Prozess wo klar ist aus welchen Land der Investor kommt |
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HM hat das System umgestellt. Durch den Erwerb des Tokens erwirbst Du keine Beteiligung am Unternehmen (dafür hätten die eine Bankenlizenz gebraucht), sondern Du hast einen Gutschein gekauft, den du gegen einen Zweijahresvertrag fürs Schürfen eintauschen kannst. Und die rechtlichen Probleme sind angeblich überwunden. Oh, hab gerade gesehen, dass es schon einen threat auf bitcointalk zum Thema gibt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2188866.0Ich bin bei Hydrominer involviert, gehöre aber genau genommen nicht zum Team. Derstandard.at wird vermutlich morgen schon oder in den nächsten Tagen eine Entgegnung bringen, es gibt keine Anzeige gegen Hydrominer, in dieser Sache geht es um das alte Model, das letztlich nicht durchgeführt wurde, da kam es zu einer Untersuchung durch die FMA, nun wurde eine "Sachverhaltdarstellung" von der FMA an die Staatsanwaltschaft weitergegeben, in der Regel sollte die Sache damit erledigt sein weil es keine Geschädigten aus dem ersten Model gab. Das "Gutscheinmodel" dannach eben von Stadler & Völkel begleitet ist unproblematisch. Letztlich ist es auch ein wenig Österreichisch dass man halt sehr gerne über die kleinsten Probleme berichtet, einen ICO in Österreich zu machen ist alles andere als Einfach und mit enormen Risiken verbunden. Hydrominer plant nun bald weitere Kapitalrunden mit Investoren und ist diesbezüglich auch schon recht gut aufgestellt. Vielleicht gelingt es auch noch in Abstimmung mit der FMA und einen Kapitalmarktprospekt einen Security Token auf den Markt zu bringen, das wird im Moment geklärt. Aber gut dass sich hier ein paar Österreicher finden. |
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I actually mine with a rival of yours, I must tell you, if you reinvest 25% of your proceeds in the hardware I would say you are not going anywhere, I mean it takes about 15 months to break even on average, and then you have another say 8 months or 10 with earnings then you need to replace the hardware. Sure there are better months, but since the whole industry becomes larger it is to be assumed that profits will be less. So with 25% of proceeds, IMHO, there is no way to replace the rigs.
Also can someone please tell me if the company really believes that there is a 161% ROI for the investor, that reminds me the example with the king and the beggar and the rice, in no time every investor would have more money as there is money in the whole world...
Did you look into this? https[Suspicious link removed]mplary-hardware-specifications-kpis-of-envions-mmu-ff5fb77cd5da There is everything you need to know about the 161% ROI. What this article shows is, sorry to say, that you have either no idea or worse. I have no time to go every over every aspect of calculation so I just pick a few: A3) Average local energy prices, very very unlikely, on EEX ist 0.0435 on average and taxes are not included here so why would anybody offer you energy for less, anyway it will not make a large difference. K3) Cost of an ASIC miner: 1945 USD, at least in Germany its impossible, since, including the PSU this is the price in China if you are very lucky. Then you need to fly it somewhere, pay customs, and especially VAT within Europe which you do not get back because the end product (cryptocurrencies) has no VAT on top. So the price of an ASIC is currently or a month ago more like 2400 USD. K13) This is total nonsense, the mining profit decreases every month and will most probably reach zero profitability within 2 years. I am mining for many years and on average your profit will be about 50% per year and this only after quite some time when you dealt with many problems already. When the next generation of miners comes to the market earlier your hardware will be useless even faster than 2 years. https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficultyAlso when profitability for ETH or Bitcoin drops dramatically then, with a large mining facility you cannot just switch to other coins. Sure you can mine Einsteinium, no Problem, but with 1000 MMUS not, you cannot do it with some small coins you need to mine large coins and you will run into this problems just like now. F) These costs are very unlikely, shipping a container 1000 USD ?, from where to where, usually even insurance cost more just for a short ride. Energy components, if you want to be safe is definitely more and don't forget, power stations don't have 50,100 or whatever KW plugs hanging around, you need to install transformators there for this purpose and long cables with large diameters made from copper, they can cost 20K USD easily for a single container. What about the cost of disposing of the units after lifetime, where is the insurance for transport, for the container and for the power station in case your equipment destroys it? X) 1000 MMU´s that will require a shitload of people, handling, and organizing, bookkeeping, legal departments, monitoring and more. |
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@Saschaman, I'm now following a lead that the dam owner where you have your miners is a close associate of yours if not family. Care to confirm or deny such prior to me obtaining, then presenting my findings? Or do you want want to take your chances on my sleuth prowess (I've already uncovered both sisters' eBay accounts)?
Meanwhile, I'll continue my detective work on Tobias which doesn't look too promising in his regard.
Just call him, not difficult to find him, it's not family, not even somebody I knew before renting the space, and even if whats the point? I was referring to calling Quantapore at 650-321-2030 here in the States, an entity you supposedly co-founded. sure go ahead call there too, not that it has anything to do with HM but I think you are past that point anyway... |
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@Saschaman, I'm now following a lead that the dam owner where you have your miners is a close associate of yours if not family. Care to confirm or deny such prior to me obtaining, then presenting my findings? Or do you want want to take your chances on my sleuth prowess (I've already uncovered both sisters' eBay accounts)?
Meanwhile, I'll continue my detective work on Tobias which doesn't look too promising in his regard.
Just call him, not difficult to find him, it's not family, not even somebody I knew before renting the space, and even if whats the point ? |
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I am not sure anymore if there is any interest from Gleb to find out anything reasonable about HM, anyway, so yes indeed I was only an Investor first. For short time I was also listed as an Advisor, and then yes, not anymore because I did not really had time to participate, but that's my business, I was removed as an advisor and right now I do not consider myself part of the team because I am only an investor. Hope that makes it clear now. Now, the Shoe company, wow, now you really got us, if one invests in a shoe company and a mining company it MUST be a scam, I just dont get the point. Anyway, Nadine or Nicole not answering you? well after comments like: "Make-up Sisters" "The Make-up Sisters need to stick inanimate objects up their cunts and squirt them across the room" "while jacking off to Nicole squirting across the sea container" "The makeup sisters will eventually become the raped sisters." You really wonder they do not reply to you anymore? I also find it a little childish to believe that because Nadine once said 2014 and another time 2015 to believe that HM is a scam. Besides this, I would prefer to leave the thread here for a more intelligent discussion than the question if one of the investors of Hydrominer also invests in other companies and even show producers. Actually, if you are looking for a scam, why don't you take a look at Envion ? They actually copied the HM Concept but have claims that are a little overambitious. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2348435.new#new |
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For some reason, I could not see the picture of the Building in Vienna in your earlier post.
That's why I asked about the red arrow.
So yes I know the office very well, and yes on that particular day Tobias, Christian, Nadine, Andreas have been there, however, its not the office of Tobias, whom I only met twice in my life and as much as I understand he only worked during the ICO for HM.
Tobias never worked in this office and the Hydrominers are using a coworking space on Wiedner Hauptstrasse now.
As I say I am not part of the team anymore but still have my equipment in 2(!) of the powerstations.
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I actually mine with a rival of yours, I must tell you, if you reinvest 25% of your proceeds in the hardware I would say you are not going anywhere, I mean it takes about 15 months to break even on average, and then you have another say 8 months or 10 with earnings then you need to replace the hardware. Sure there are better months, but since the whole industry becomes larger it is to be assumed that profits will be less. So with 25% of proceeds, IMHO, there is no way to replace the rigs.
Also can someone please tell me if the company really believes that there is a 161% ROI for the investor, that reminds me the example with the king and the beggar and the rice, in no time every investor would have more money as there is money in the whole world...
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Okay, I'll be civil once again. Let's see if any of the concerns I present are now addressed. I'm guessing NOT, but I've been wrong twice before this year. https://www.theinvestzone.com/2017/09/21/an-exclusive-interview-with-nadine-damblon-of-hydrominer-org/Q: How did the idea of HydroMiner.org come about? Is this something you were doing before?
Well, interestingly enough, we met an investor how [sic] helped us rent and fill the first two hydro powered stations. Exactly how does a private citizen of Austria, viz. an entity sans a business charter, go about obtaining not one, but two contracts to install crypto mining farms in vacate buildings adjacent to power stations that gets its electricity from dams in the Austrian Alps? If HydroMiner was envisioned in 2016, then why did they wait till August 2017, to register hydrominer.org? (this question was asked at the beginning of this thread, but has never been addressed by the FUD buster thehun) Why did Nadine Damblon lie about when she and her sister, Nicole, started mining crypto along with what was initially mined, namely 2014/2015 and btc/eth, respectively? Further, why are there so many inconsistencies in the supposed facts that Nadine has advanced over the course of myriad interviews and Net content? I was shown this discussion here and I must say I can hardly believe the language used, this is completely unacceptable sexist and from what I know nobody from HM wants to reply to you anymore, which I can understand very well. However, at least the tone became better now. I might be able to answer some questions and maybe bring the discussion back to normality. So actually I am the main investor that has computers in the Langenlois/Schoenberg facility and in another location. The answer to the first question is very trivial. My company rented the actual Hydropowerstations long before the idea of a company of the name Hydrominer or an ICO of the same came about. There is no problem in Austria to rent a Hydropowerstation, as a company or person, in fact, both Hydropowerstations are owned privately each one by a single person, so I do not really get the question at all, anyway its no problem to do that. Nadine and Nicole managed these 2 facilities and Mr Vogl also got involved later as he is a Hardware supplier and has also a lot of experience in mining. I don't know when exactly Nadine and Nicole started mining but when I met them they seem to have had quite some experience and moved their own equipment to the Schoenberg location. In the Summer of this year Nadine, Nicole, Christian and some of the early investors decided to do an ICO and that's when they had to come up with a name for the project, register a company etc. before that they organized mining for private investors and did not need a company for this. Also when I check the domain, it was registered on July 12 and not in August. https://whois.domaintools.com/hydrominer.orgWhat are the other questions? I did not go over the whole discussion. My name is Nadine Damblon, and I’m the CEO of the HydroMiner operation. Via this post, I want to welcome you to our website and showcase you a little bit more about our mining venture.
I built the first mining rig together with my sister – Nicole – in 2014. Thanks to the increasing prices of nearly all cryptocurrencies, pretty much all mining operations have been very successful. In 2016, we founded the HydroMiner project, but made it only available to our family and closest of friends. With the money, we set up our rigs in data centers.
Those data centers offered great returns, especially in those bull markets. We started to think about renting more and more data centers until a friend suggested to rent out hydro power stations. We researched a little bit and found out that indeed hydro power stations offer a perfect possibility to push our mining operation. And besides increasing our profits per mining rig, it also gave us the possibility to make our project eco-friendly! Yey!
The HydroMiner ICO
Right since we decided to scale up our operations by renting our first hydroelectric power station, teamwork has been an integral part of our modus operandi. We as a company believe it’s easier to achieve success when we have our employees operating as a team and NOT as individuals. Is it just me, or are Saschaman and Nadine's statements in conflict with one another? To recap, on HM's site it's stated that Nadine started mining cryptos in 2014 and 2015, and we don't have a clue as to who or what entity rented facilities at the two dam sites since the main investor and Nadine's statements conflict each other. I think I can shade some light into this. You really seem to like details. Anyway, so I was going over my emails, my earliest one with Nadine is from March 2015, so theoretically she could have just started mining 2015, but it's quite possible it was 2014, I actually don't know, since we met at an ethereum meetup I would assume she was mining at that point, maybe not in a commercial way, I mean the term is stretchable. About the equipment and the rental, now my company signed the rental contract, also I purchased my equipment myself and Nadine and Nicole, mainly Nadine managed all of this for me, now technically my company rented the hydropowerstations basically because my company can deduct the VAT that comes on top of the rent, same goes for the equipment, also here there is a 20% VAT on top so it was advisable to do it over my company. However, if there would any differences in the outcome due to electricity shortcomings other problems with rigs etc. financially it was Nadine and Nicole who would have been financially responsible. Simply put, we have been a group of 8 including the 2 sisters and because Hydrominer wasn't incorporated we needed a company (because of the VAT thing) to purchase equipment and rent the places. About Nicole being in Dusseldorf or Vienna, as far as I followed this she was flying back and forth for a while, sometimes weekly, so hard to say where she was where, also not sure how important this is, as even today we do not have to be near the rigs to operate them, so I don't get the point. About Mr. Vogl, just to make it clear, this is a group of people that joined together for a project, first Nadine and Nicole, then Christian, then others, then me, they had loose connections with each other, buying hardware from Christian, getting investment from others, building the facilities etc. I don't know what is your experience with entrepreneurship but I am an entrepreneur for years and its usually not like 7 people sit together on a table, decide to do something, come up with a name, register for a company, capitalize and then start working. In fact usually its pretty much the other way round. One more thing about registering a company in Austria, so first of all, who cares ? You can make business without a company no problem (you do have a tax problem with the VAT that you will lose), If you do business with registering a company its called a "company under common law" I guess this exists also in the US and the only issue is that you are liable yourself. If you want to register, you go to a notary and make a contract and everybody signs it. From the tax authorities, this would be fine, anything from this point on (and even before) is accepted as invoices to the company and you get the VAT back. Next you file with the company register, this can take anywhere from 3 days to months, mainly depending on the name, as much as I heard, Hydrominer wanted the name Hydrominer GmbH and nothing else, now (stupidly) because of the pressure from social media etc. they settled for Hydrominer IT-Services GmbH, which I find is a bad decision and I personally would have continued the dicussion with the company register and not listen to some dudes in a telegram channel that have no idea about all of this and believe that a company registration would have anything to do with the existence of a project or not. Did I forget anything? Coming across curtly aside, I, for one, don't necessarily care if HydroMiner is a registered company or not, albeit being incorporated is prudent, but that wasn't the issue. The issue was that Nadine was on record in stating that HM had a charter approximately one month prior to having one in place. "About the equipment and the rental, now my company signed the rental contract, also I purchased my equipment myself and Nadine and Nicole, mainly Nadine managed all of this for me, now technically my company rented the hydropowerstations basically because my company can deduct the VAT that comes on top of the rent, same goes for the equipment, also here there is a 20% VAT on top so it was advisable to do it over my company. However, if there would any differences in the outcome due to electricity shortcomings other problems with rigs etc. financially it was Nadine and Nicole who would have been financially responsible. Simply put, we have been a group of 8 including the 2 sisters and because Hydrominer wasn't incorporated we needed a company (because of the VAT thing) to purchase equipment and rent the places."Your company rented the power stations where your miners were deployed which Nadine managed, in which she was financially responsible for the rigs, shortcomings, etc. I, among others, would love to get in on some that action. At the end of the graf you stated that you needed a company so to do exactly what you previously espoused - renting power stations, purchasing equipment, VAT, etc. The only thing I see different is that you're handing over your supposedly profitable venture to another entity where you become a minor player. Recall, it was Nadine who founded HydroMiner prior to working for you. Now you're part of the team where Nadine calls the shots. "About Mr. Vogl, just to make it clear, this is a group of people that joined together for a project, first Nadine and Nicole, then Christian, then others, then me, they had loose connections with each other, buying hardware from Christian, getting investment from others, building the facilities etc."That's an interesting timeline further negating what has previously been declared. First Nadine and Nicole (Founders of HydroMiner circa 2015 or 2016, depending on ?). Then Christian (on record started with HydroMiner in 2016). Then others (assuming 4 others making up the team of 8 .). Then you. So, you joined the team last in spite of stating in the previously quoted graf that it's your power station mining outfit which the girls managed for you, with Christian coming on board later followed by the rest of the team. One more thing, if I were a red arrow, how close would I be to Christian and Tobias' office in Vienna? ... So about the company registration, one more thing, so when you register with court it's very common here to do business, there are cases where it can take months to get a registration, especially when your name has some trademark issues, so I would say its fine today you have a company even before you have the company number, but whatever probably you can see this both ways. About renting the places, its no problem to rent for anybody, the problem is only that you will lose the 20% of VAT that comes on top of the rent as an individual, even then you could possibly get deductions against it including the VAT, but hey I am not a tax advisor, but that was our thought back then, to not waste the 20%. About the team, no sorry, I am completely not part of the team, I did my investment in miners there, I like the project and the people but I am busy with completely different business (besides bitcointalk now). The others, Nicole, Nadine and Christian mined long before I met them and rented the first power station, as far as I understand Nicole and Nadine at home, Christian in many places and another investor also in his house, I only startet there in Schönberg. In the video, I believe you can even see older rigs from Nadine and Nicole that they placed in Schönberg. About the Red Arrow, you must help me, I don't know what that means, HM now has little to do with Tobias I believe and Christian ist pretty busy with it, not sure how much they know each other actually. |
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Okay, I'll be civil once again. Let's see if any of the concerns I present are now addressed. I'm guessing NOT, but I've been wrong twice before this year. https://www.theinvestzone.com/2017/09/21/an-exclusive-interview-with-nadine-damblon-of-hydrominer-org/Q: How did the idea of HydroMiner.org come about? Is this something you were doing before?
Well, interestingly enough, we met an investor how [sic] helped us rent and fill the first two hydro powered stations. Exactly how does a private citizen of Austria, viz. an entity sans a business charter, go about obtaining not one, but two contracts to install crypto mining farms in vacate buildings adjacent to power stations that gets its electricity from dams in the Austrian Alps? If HydroMiner was envisioned in 2016, then why did they wait till August 2017, to register hydrominer.org? (this question was asked at the beginning of this thread, but has never been addressed by the FUD buster thehun) Why did Nadine Damblon lie about when she and her sister, Nicole, started mining crypto along with what was initially mined, namely 2014/2015 and btc/eth, respectively? Further, why are there so many inconsistencies in the supposed facts that Nadine has advanced over the course of myriad interviews and Net content? I was shown this discussion here and I must say I can hardly believe the language used, this is completely unacceptable sexist and from what I know nobody from HM wants to reply to you anymore, which I can understand very well. However, at least the tone became better now. I might be able to answer some questions and maybe bring the discussion back to normality. So actually I am the main investor that has computers in the Langenlois/Schoenberg facility and in another location. The answer to the first question is very trivial. My company rented the actual Hydropowerstations long before the idea of a company of the name Hydrominer or an ICO of the same came about. There is no problem in Austria to rent a Hydropowerstation, as a company or person, in fact, both Hydropowerstations are owned privately each one by a single person, so I do not really get the question at all, anyway its no problem to do that. Nadine and Nicole managed these 2 facilities and Mr Vogl also got involved later as he is a Hardware supplier and has also a lot of experience in mining. I don't know when exactly Nadine and Nicole started mining but when I met them they seem to have had quite some experience and moved their own equipment to the Schoenberg location. In the Summer of this year Nadine, Nicole, Christian and some of the early investors decided to do an ICO and that's when they had to come up with a name for the project, register a company etc. before that they organized mining for private investors and did not need a company for this. Also when I check the domain, it was registered on July 12 and not in August. https://whois.domaintools.com/hydrominer.orgWhat are the other questions? I did not go over the whole discussion. My name is Nadine Damblon, and I’m the CEO of the HydroMiner operation. Via this post, I want to welcome you to our website and showcase you a little bit more about our mining venture.
I built the first mining rig together with my sister – Nicole – in 2014. Thanks to the increasing prices of nearly all cryptocurrencies, pretty much all mining operations have been very successful. In 2016, we founded the HydroMiner project, but made it only available to our family and closest of friends. With the money, we set up our rigs in data centers.
Those data centers offered great returns, especially in those bull markets. We started to think about renting more and more data centers until a friend suggested to rent out hydro power stations. We researched a little bit and found out that indeed hydro power stations offer a perfect possibility to push our mining operation. And besides increasing our profits per mining rig, it also gave us the possibility to make our project eco-friendly! Yey!
The HydroMiner ICO
Right since we decided to scale up our operations by renting our first hydroelectric power station, teamwork has been an integral part of our modus operandi. We as a company believe it’s easier to achieve success when we have our employees operating as a team and NOT as individuals. Is it just me, or are Saschaman and Nadine's statements in conflict with one another? To recap, on HM's site it's stated that Nadine started mining cryptos in 2014 and 2015, and we don't have a clue as to who or what entity rented facilities at the two dam sites since the main investor and Nadine's statements conflict each other. I think I can shade some light into this. You really seem to like details. Anyway, so I was going over my emails, my earliest one with Nadine is from March 2015, so theoretically she could have just started mining 2015, but it's quite possible it was 2014, I actually don't know, since we met at an ethereum meetup I would assume she was mining at that point, maybe not in a commercial way, I mean the term is stretchable. About the equipment and the rental, now my company signed the rental contract, also I purchased my equipment myself and Nadine and Nicole, mainly Nadine managed all of this for me, now technically my company rented the hydropowerstations basically because my company can deduct the VAT that comes on top of the rent, same goes for the equipment, also here there is a 20% VAT on top so it was advisable to do it over my company. However, if there would any differences in the outcome due to electricity shortcomings other problems with rigs etc. financially it was Nadine and Nicole who would have been financially responsible. Simply put, we have been a group of 8 including the 2 sisters and because Hydrominer wasn't incorporated we needed a company (because of the VAT thing) to purchase equipment and rent the places. About Nicole being in Dusseldorf or Vienna, as far as I followed this she was flying back and forth for a while, sometimes weekly, so hard to say where she was where, also not sure how important this is, as even today we do not have to be near the rigs to operate them, so I don't get the point. About Mr. Vogl, just to make it clear, this is a group of people that joined together for a project, first Nadine and Nicole, then Christian, then others, then me, they had loose connections with each other, buying hardware from Christian, getting investment from others, building the facilities etc. I don't know what is your experience with entrepreneurship but I am an entrepreneur for years and its usually not like 7 people sit together on a table, decide to do something, come up with a name, register for a company, capitalize and then start working. In fact usually its pretty much the other way round. One more thing about registering a company in Austria, so first of all, who cares ? You can make business without a company no problem (you do have a tax problem with the VAT that you will lose), If you do business with registering a company its called a "company under common law" I guess this exists also in the US and the only issue is that you are liable yourself. If you want to register, you go to a notary and make a contract and everybody signs it. From the tax authorities, this would be fine, anything from this point on (and even before) is accepted as invoices to the company and you get the VAT back. Next you file with the company register, this can take anywhere from 3 days to months, mainly depending on the name, as much as I heard, Hydrominer wanted the name Hydrominer GmbH and nothing else, now (stupidly) because of the pressure from social media etc. they settled for Hydrominer IT-Services GmbH, which I find is a bad decision and I personally would have continued the dicussion with the company register and not listen to some dudes in a telegram channel that have no idea about all of this and believe that a company registration would have anything to do with the existence of a project or not. Did I forget anything? |
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Okay, I'll be civil once again. Let's see if any of the concerns I present are now addressed. I'm guessing NOT, but I've been wrong twice before this year. https://www.theinvestzone.com/2017/09/21/an-exclusive-interview-with-nadine-damblon-of-hydrominer-org/Q: How did the idea of HydroMiner.org come about? Is this something you were doing before?
Well, interestingly enough, we met an investor how [sic] helped us rent and fill the first two hydro powered stations. Exactly how does a private citizen of Austria, viz. an entity sans a business charter, go about obtaining not one, but two contracts to install crypto mining farms in vacate buildings adjacent to power stations that gets its electricity from dams in the Austrian Alps? If HydroMiner was envisioned in 2016, then why did they wait till August 2017, to register hydrominer.org? (this question was asked at the beginning of this thread, but has never been addressed by the FUD buster thehun) Why did Nadine Damblon lie about when she and her sister, Nicole, started mining crypto along with what was initially mined, namely 2014/2015 and btc/eth, respectively? Further, why are there so many inconsistencies in the supposed facts that Nadine has advanced over the course of myriad interviews and Net content? I was shown this discussion here and I must say I can hardly believe the language used, this is completely unacceptable sexist and from what I know nobody from HM wants to reply to you anymore, which I can understand very well. However, at least the tone became better now. I might be able to answer some questions and maybe bring the discussion back to normality. So actually I am the main investor that has computers in the Langenlois/Schoenberg facility and in another location. The answer to the first question is very trivial. My company rented the actual Hydropowerstations long before the idea of a company of the name Hydrominer or an ICO of the same came about. There is no problem in Austria to rent a Hydropowerstation, as a company or person, in fact, both Hydropowerstations are owned privately each one by a single person, so I do not really get the question at all, anyway its no problem to do that. Nadine and Nicole managed these 2 facilities and Mr Vogl also got involved later as he is a Hardware supplier and has also a lot of experience in mining. I don't know when exactly Nadine and Nicole started mining but when I met them they seem to have had quite some experience and moved their own equipment to the Schoenberg location. In the Summer of this year Nadine, Nicole, Christian and some of the early investors decided to do an ICO and that's when they had to come up with a name for the project, register a company etc. before that they organized mining for private investors and did not need a company for this. Also when I check the domain, it was registered on July 12 and not in August. https://whois.domaintools.com/hydrominer.orgWhat are the other questions ? I did not went over the whole discussion. |
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