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Again, the mysterious inability for the U.S. to be able to come up with a test for 'covid-19' is getting more suspicious by the day. Perhaps they are not getting 'false' positives but rather the correct reading. That is to say, perhaps it has already been around the block in the U.S..
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No mystery about the tests. Our government is incompetent and slow. The CDC was not prepared to handle the volume that was required of it and our bureaucracy likes to centralize power so other labs were prohibited from developing their own tests by red tape. As soon as the CDC cried uncle and outsourced the process to the private sector we had labs like the University of Washington immediately performing hundreds and soon thousands of tests a day. Many of the cases diagnosed to date including the one in my local hospital ICU were diagnosed by such labs and are "presumptive positives" because the centralized labs are too overwhelmed to even confirm the findings despite having days to do so. Private sector positives are required to send their positives to state level labs for confirmation. It is probably best to avoid conjecture. Otherwise things quickly degenerate into a let's blame the group we like least contest. The USA did it. No the Communists did it. No the Jews did it. No it was the Nazi White Supremacist ect. TwitchySeal reaction is probably best. Without hard proof we should proceed as though this were a natural interspecies jump. The fact that it is well within the realm of possibility that this was was an engineered interspecies jump requires investigation at this stage and perhaps suspicion but not accusation. From what I 'know' about the ailment I don't necessarily believe that to be true. Seems mostly like it is (to most people) just another seasonal bug which many don't even know they got, and there are thousands of 'flu deaths' every month. The mortality figures we've seen out of China are not in the numbers that couldn't be swept under the statistics.
That depends on how old you are. The best data we have comes out of China where they have been dealing with this for months. Looking at tens of thousands of confirmed cases they are reporting a 8% mortality rate in those 70-79 and a nearly 15% mortality rate in those over 80. Yes young people do much better 0.2-0.4% mortality. They are probably missing asymptomatic cases so this is probably an overestimate but if you are old this is serious business https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51540981 |
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https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196Thesis: May have leaked out of Fort Detrick and kicked around the U.S. for a while before it popping up in a big way at the Wuhan 'wet market'. Fallout (deaths) were blamed on other things (e.g., vaping) and swept under the carpet. ... I also have to wonder if a long-ago SARS vaccine trial didn't contribute to the overreactions among some of the Chinese victims as postulated earlier. This is a highly contagious pandemic. It cant leak out of somewhere and "kick around" without it exploding in a very fatal and very obvious way. If it had first escaped out of Fort Detrick Maryland would be ground zero and there would be thousands of deaths by now in the state and local hospital systems would be crumpling under the mass numbers of critically ill ICU patients. That has not happened. We probably have a few weeks until we reach that point in the US starting Greater Seattle area. High death rates have been reported in Italy and Iran where there was no SARS vaccine trial. This disease does not appear to be ethnic specific. |
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i think you posted it for a bit of satire. seeing as the writer is still not even 100% convinced the earth is curved.
as for over using occums razor.. come on its common knowledge dont share needles or razors. the over use of random people using occums razor has caused many myths to go viral.
especially in the linked example where he tries to make it sound obsurd that it came from a fish market. by tweaking the details.
by making long sentances about fact. and then a short fiction. then saying occums razors = short version true. doesnt make it true
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence requires us to seriously consider the possibility that this virus was engineered in China. The article below does a nice job of going over the published studies that lead one to this conclusion. Its entirely fact based focusing on the known timeline and published research papers. "What Are The Odds?" - A Timeline Of Facts Linking Covid-19, HIV, & Wuhan's Secret Bio-Labhttps://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-are-odds-timeline-facts-linking-covid-19-hiv-wuhans-secret-bio-labThe engineered in china hypothesis must be compared alternative hypothesis that this is an entirely natural spontaneous jump from animals to humans that just happened to occur in Wuhan. The evidence commonly used to support the interspecies jump claim is the argument that the disease started in the Wuhan animal market. This has been falsified as the first cases of this in Wuhan are documented by Chinese doctors to have no connection to the market. So the evidence to support this view is the fact that such interspecies jumps are possible and have happened in the past aka 1918 influenza pandemic and the fact that the backbone of the virus looks like it came from bats. Or one can consider the alternative hypothesis that this is some secret attack on China by nefarious forces in USA. Currently the virus is raging through the west coast uncontrolled and set to explode further and our CDC despite weeks of warning is utterly incapable of even creating functional test to detect the virus requiring them to desperately outsource to the private sector. It can safely be said that the CDC is utterly incapable of such a conspiracy and I have seen no evidence to support the view that any faction of the USA government has such a capability. Incompetence of government is universal. The sum of the evidence to date in my opinion suggests but does not prove that this virus was engineered in Wuhan. Interestingly the article above was published by a cryptocurrency guy Scott Burke, CEO of crypto-related firm Groundhog looks like he is working on a platform to pay for subscription based services with cryptocurrency. Worth keeping an eye on given the potential for platforms such as paypal to become increasingly draconian over time. |
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Nice to know our wonderful CDC is on top of things. Lab for coronavirus test kits may have been contaminatedhttps://www.axios.com/cdc-lab-coronavirus-contaminated-6dc9726d-dea3-423f-b5ad-eb7b1e44c2e2.htmlBehind the scenes: The FDA official who visited the Atlanta lab, Timothy Stenzel, is the director of the Office of In Vitro Diagnostics and Radiological Health.
About a week ago, when the Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar was under extreme pressure over the delays in getting coronavirus testing kits to market, Stenzel traveled to Atlanta to help troubleshoot whatever technical problems might have been occurring with the tests. Stenzel was alarmed by the procedures he witnessed in the Atlanta laboratory and raised concerns with multiple CDC officials, per a source familiar with the situation in Atlanta. Stenzel is a highly-regarded scientist and diagnostics expert. He was on the ground in Atlanta to deal with technical issues and happened to stumble upon the inappropriate procedures and possible contaminants. He is not a laboratory inspector and thus was not charged with producing an inspection report on the lab conditions. But he raised the concerns and they have been taken seriously and risen to the highest levels of the U.S. government.
What's next: The FDA’s manufacturing concerns — which include the possible contamination of testing kits — have also resulted in the Trump administration ordering an independent investigation of the CDC’s Atlanta laboratory, according to senior officials.
“HHS has launched an investigation and is assembling a team of non-CDC scientists to better understand the nature and source of the manufacturing defect in the first batch of COVID-19 test kits that were distributed to state health departments and others,” said an HHS spokesperson.
A senior administration official added that the government also moved the manufacturing of the coronavirus tests out of the Atlanta laboratory of CDC. The official said that the CDC engaged with a third party contractor on Feb. 20 to help manufacture the testing kits.
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Let me know the first bitcoin address with just a's following the 1. Even attempt to make it it would takes ages 1aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Natural, sure  Your error here is confusing something that is random a bitcoin address with something that is not random the end of a viral genome. The end of a viral genome cannot be random as it must serve a very specific functional purpose. All known infectious retrovirus DNA sequences end with a series of repeating nucleotides called a long terminal repeat (LTR). For your further reading and knowledge: Function of the retrovirus long terminal repeathttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0092867482903671 |
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I do believe the circumstantial evidence suggests that this virus might be man made likely in the Wuhan institute of virology but... you are incorrect when you suggest the multiple repeating a's in the viruses genome are incompatible with nature. Such repeats are known to exist in viruses. This one in particular is known to exist in the HIV virus. Long Terminal Repeatshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_terminal_repeatLong terminal repeats (LTRs) are identical sequences of DNA that repeat hundreds or thousands of times found at either end of retrotransposons or proviral DNA formed by reverse transcription of retroviral RNA.[1] They are used by viruses to insert their genetic material into the host genomes.[1]
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Poly A plays roles both in dimerization and genome packaging since it is necessary for cleavage and polyadenylation. It has been reported that sequences upstream (U3 region) and downstream (U5 region) are needed in order to make the cleavage process efficient.[9]
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I do believe the circumstantial evidence suggests that this virus might be man made likely in the Wuhan institute of virology but be careful for in looking for conspiracy you have crossed the line into claims that are false. You are incorrect when you say the multiple repeating a's in the viruses genome are incompatible with nature. Such repeats are known to exist in viruses. This one in particular is known to exist in the HIV virus. Long Terminal Repeatshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_terminal_repeatLong terminal repeats (LTRs) are identical sequences of DNA that repeat hundreds or thousands of times found at either end of retrotransposons or proviral DNA formed by reverse transcription of retroviral RNA.[1] They are used by viruses to insert their genetic material into the host genomes.[1]
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Poly A plays roles both in dimerization and genome packaging since it is necessary for cleavage and polyadenylation. It has been reported that sequences upstream (U3 region) and downstream (U5 region) are needed in order to make the cleavage process efficient.[9]
While one must never underestimate the capacity for human evil which indeed is almost boundless Hanlon's razor nevertheless remains true in most circumstances. "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Evil as we are we are more stupid then evil. |
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Wuhan Institute of Virology from 4-12-2015 http://english.whiov.cas.cn/Research2016/Research_Progress2016/201712/t20171215_187953.htmlThe emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans.
Recently, Prof. Zhengli Shi and Xingyi Ge from WIV, in cooperation with researchers from University of North Carolina, Harvard Medical School, Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology and etc, examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system, the scientists generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.
On the basis of these findings, they synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. The work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations. Determining truth is often a matter of piecing together clues. This information above is one clue. It tells us that part of the research being done at the Wuhan institute of virology included deliberately modifying the spike proteins of animal coronaviruses (part of the virus that binds to a cell) in order to allow it to bind and infect human cells. The most logical reason one would pursue such research is biowarfare. In addition this particular coronavirus has some very unusual proprieties never before seen in the coronavirus family. Specifically it has genes that allow it to bind to furin which would allow it to attach to and infect cells via the same binding mechanism HIV uses. That is why you see news articles about HIV drugs being used to treat this. Is this unexpected addition to the coronavirus natural? You will have to decide that. What is fact is that it is technically possible for this to be a human created addition. Chinese scientists desperately researching coronavirus discover that it shares human cell binding site with HIVhttps://www.rt.com/news/481837-coronavirus-research-cell-binding-hiv/It is well-known by now that 2019-nCoV shares over 80 percent of its DNA with Sars virus, making the cause of the 2002/3 outbreak in Southeast Asia its closest genetic relative. Sars invaded the human body by binding to a receptor protein, called ACE2, on the membranes of cells. But this was ultimately the downfall of that virus — ACE2 is rare in the cells of healthy people, which limited the spread of Sars significantly, resulting in it burning itself out by 2004. In the end, only about 8,000 people worldwide were infected, as compared to covid-19 which has already infected over 80,000 people.
Unlike Sars, the novel Coronavirus has a section of genes that are absent from the Sars genome, according to this research. In fact, they bear resemblance to genes found in HIV and Ebola. These genes may encode for a different pathway targeting the protein furin on human cells, which is how HIV and Ebola attack. If it operates as those other viruses do, this mutation could make it up to 1,000 times better at binding to human cells than Sars.
A third clue is the strange silence about patient zero. Where is the race to find the first infected patient. Why the persistent promotion of the Wuhan animal market as the source of this when it was clear from the beginning that the first known cases did not come from that market. Why has their been complete silence on tracing the origin of this for weeks? One possibility is that the Communist in China know where and how this started and don't want that known. While it is possible for a virus to cross from the animal to the human population anywhere it certainly is an odd coincidence that this would happen right next to the only lab in china where they handle these deadly disease and are known to conduct coronavirus gain of function research. The totality of the admittedly circumstantial evidence points to this being a man made disaster courtesy of human stupidity. However, it does not really matter much at the moment. Regardless of how this started it is everybody's problem now. |
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Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.  Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect  But drink Ganoderma coffee instead. Ganoderma is the Malaysian word for the Japanese Rieshi mushroom. So, it's mushroom coffee, with a mushroom that uses fungal effect to kill off all kinds of diseases. There is often very little data when it comes to alternative medicines and herbal supplements. Especially when it comes to treating viruses. Elderberry extract is an exception. It has been shown in randomized trials to be useful against the influenza virus. No one knows for sure how or if it would help against this new coronavirus. Randomized Study of the Efficacy and Safety of Oral Elderberry Extract in the Treatment of Influenza A and B Virus Infections https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/147323000403200205Inhibitory activity of a standardized elderberry liquid extract against clinically-relevant human respiratory bacterial pathogens and influenza A and B viruses https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056848/ |
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I can remember when it was called a cold. If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one. Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.
Of the first 99 confirmed cases of this at the epicenter Wuhan General Hospital overall mortality rate was 11%. This was with extraordinary interventions including ventilation and ECMO https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620302117.pdfThe disease is also extremely contagious. We don’t know for sure how long this can survive on surfaces but members of the Coronavirus family have been shown to survive anywhere from a week in the case of SARS to a month in the case of some known animal Coronaviruses. https://www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surface/ampHigh infectivity asymptotic spread and survival from days to weeks on surfaces likely mean this disease is utterly uncontainable and will become established in the human population like the influenza virus. Hopefully one of the following is true. A) The disease is not as severe globally as initial reports out of China indicate. This might be possible if that small study on ACE2 receptors is accurate or if there are massive numbers of asymptotic infections where people don’t get sick. Or B) The initial quarantine measures slow this down enough to develop some effective treatments for it before it gets everywhere. |
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I'm unsure if you (OP) is aware that everything that you've read is complete and utter bullshit. It's from a website which is all fake news.
You are wrong to summarily dismiss the information provided by the OP. For example it is possible that the ACE2 receptor the required binding site of SARS and probably the new COVID-19 virus is much more prevalent in Asians particularly Asian males. There is a study that supports this conclusion but it has a very small sample size so it’s conclusion cannot be taken with certainly. However there are also multiple news reports indicating men in China are getting hit harder with this disease than women. Single-cell RNA expression profiling of ACE2, the putative receptor of Wuhan 2019-nCovhttps://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full“These data indicated that ACE2 is likely to be the receptor for 2019-nCov.
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“In total, we analyzed 43,134 cells derived from normal lung tissue of 8 adult donors. ”
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“For all donors, ACE2 is expressed in 0.64% of all human lung cells.”
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“Of note, the 2 male donors have a higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than all other 6 female donors (1.66% vs. 0.41% of all cells, P value=0.07, Mann Whitney Test). In addition, the distribution of ACE2 is also more widespread in male donors than females: at least 5 different types of cells in male lung express this receptor, while only 2~4 types of cells in female lung express the receptor. This result is highly consistent with the epidemic investigation showing that most of the confirmed 2019-nCov infected patients were men (30 vs. 11, by Jan 2, 2020).
We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area.”
There is also the fact that earliest identified patient zero had no connection at all to the animal market that the media keep pushing as the source of this. Coronavirus Patient Zero: Why Wuhan market may not be the epicentre of deadly China virushttps://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1235463/Coronavirus-patient-zero-Wuhan-market-China-virus-epicentre-coronavirus-latest-China-newsConsider also that Virus-hit Wuhan has the only laboratory in China capable of working with deadly viruses and these two laboratories have been cited by intelligence agents as linked to Chinese bio-warfare program. https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/Is this a biowapon that slipped out? There is no smoking gun yet but the possibility cannot be casually dismissed. Edit: 3/4/20 With the mortality reports in Iran, Italy, and Washington State its is clear this is getting everyone sick and is not limited to any particular group or race. |
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Thanks for taking the time to resell these. Such beautiful coins.
You are very welcome. Edit: These are sold and no longer available. |
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Today is the final day of sales for these. If you want one place an order with Tim in the next 24 hours.
These will quickly be going to my secondary buyer after that so I cannot honor later orders.
If you want one and have not purchased this is your final opportunity.
Congratulations to those who have purchased.
I am both sorry to let these go and happy that many of them have found new homes.
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I'm done.... you just don't get it. This is like beating my head against the wall. Let me simplify it for you Mr. BeatMyChestI'veBeenActiveForSevenYears.....
WE THINK IT'S WRONG YOU CHARGED MORE TO ACCEPT BTC on THE BITCOINTALK FORUM!!
PERIOD!!
....and yes posting in bitcoin collectibles on the bitcointalk forum means accepting bitcoin.
Thank you for your input. To clarify for anyone confused about the matter this is a sale of gold for US dollars not gold for BTC. I already have a buyer for this the smelter who is happy to take my gold for dollars. I am offering these for sale here only because this particular gold has special collectible and historic value to the bitcoin community. So I am giving the community first shot at these. If they all sell great many already have. If as will probably be the case some don’t that’s fine too. Right now just under half have sold so unless there is a substantial uptick in interest in the last two days of this sale I am actually losing a small amount of money bringing this offering for public sale. That is fine. It won’t be much of a loss and I did my best to preserve as many of these as possible. The price is spot gold + 100$ + shipping in US dollars. If you pay in something other than dollars the small cost to convert that to US dollars will be added to the price. |
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Still some of these left. Sales of these will close in 2 days.
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Someone commented to me that the picture I took with my phone of the 2016 was blurry so here is a much better picture of one of these coins from the Titan Mint webpage. Whoever took this one is a much better photographer than I am.  |
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These are for sale for $100 over spot gold price currently $1575 per coin plus shipping.
It seems like an additional fee of 1% of the total amount is being charged when paying with bitcoin, resulting in~$900 in hidden fees for all these coins. This was not mentioned anywhere in this sales thread. On top of that it doesn’t make any sense to me to charge extra for accepting bitcoin on BITCOINtalk. Exchange fees to convert to dollars I presume? I need dollars at the moment not BTC so this sale is priced in dollars. Not sure where the 1% is coming from but Tim is obligated to pay me spot gold at the time of sale + 100$ in US dollars for each coin sold. That is our contract so he is probably just passing on his cost to you. |
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"All told my expense for all of the above after negotiation was $2700." :O
This whole process could have been done for less than half that.... plenty of people here who are more than qualified to perform most of these services
Perhaps but I did not want to end up with a bunch of ruined scratched up coins cleaned by someone I did not know. Tim was expensive but I knew that was going to be the case upfront. Sometimes you pay for peace of mind. |
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If you don't want to melt them..... why not sell them for melt?? That would make the most sense.
Their are substantial cost to bring a order like this to the market. Unlike melting them which requires a single trip to the smelter offering these for sale involved preparation and logistical issues. I don't have the a history of sales on the forum sufficient to self manage something this large so I had to hire someone to escrow this for me. I also needed other specialized services. The services I needed were: A) Each coin needed to be individually and carefully washed in acetone to remove the residual adhesive. I did not have the experience to attempt this myself. B) Escrow: For an order of this size I needed a third party escrow. C) Shipping: I needed to ship these all to California with insurance so they could be cleaned and then prepped for sale. D) Packaging and sales: It was easiest to have escrow manage the sales, packaging, payments and shipping. However, this involves a tremendous amount of work trips to the post office and multiple e-mails back and forth for each sale. All told the above represents hours and hours and hours of work. Tim was the most logical person to do this for me and he was gracious enough to agree to it but Tim is an extremely busy professional and his time is not free. All told my expense for all of the above after negotiation was $2700. Given the amount of work involved I was pretty happy with that. To break even compared to just melting them down I need to sell 50% of these. It looks like that will probably happen with the price point I set. I chose a price I felt would be most likely to make these move without costing me money compared to what I could get by simply melting them down. It is in my opinion a great price that I very much doubt will ever be seen again for these. |
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