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761  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 28, 2017, 01:09:09 AM
Don't worry, this is the general purpose thread where anything happens. But if you manage to become a jew please let us know how.
KThx

I can't quite tell if you are serious or not.

Its not some sort of secret society it's a religion. I am not trying to convert but the steps are well known for those with genuine interest.

http://www.wikihow.com/Convert-to-Judaism
762  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 28, 2017, 12:35:04 AM
If it makes you feel better it is possible I could someday be a Jew years from now. Modern Orthodox Judaism is a very logical faith and their lifestyle is very healthy.

Really? I don't think that they accept any new entry if your mother is not jew, even if you hack your dick. I thought about this move myself in order to gain a second passport, but it seems that only russian mafiamen are allowed in.

No you can convert but its a lot of work and involves significant lifestyle changes.

I have hijacked the Wall Observer thread quite enough for one day so I will now bow out of this discussion. Thank you all for your patience I felt this was too important an issue to leave unchallenged even if it was off topic.
763  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 28, 2017, 12:30:22 AM

Yeah, religion is super important. Nietzsche predicted that replacing religion with secularism would lead to pretty much what happened a century later. But religion requires ignorance, and we simply know too much now. Not gonna come back in our time.

And this probably also has to do with the cultural cycle. A rising culture is a united one, and nothing unites people like religion. r's, on the other hand, are individualistic and so have less need for religion.

And yes, it is true that jews helped invent some stuff. But the advanced technology we have today is also one of the factors in our decline. It makes life easy, and it is an easy and safe life that turns people into r's. And I question the overall benefit of the nuclear bomb.

Where we appear to differ is in the assumption that knowledge is somehow at odds with faith.

Here are some arguments that may change you mind.
The More Rational Model
764  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 28, 2017, 12:22:04 AM
That said in regards to what benefit Jews have provided to the west the answer is quite a lot. Tremendous scientific achievements have been accomplished by Jews. On a deeper level Monotheism itself has its roots in Judaism and this is arguably responsible for society as we know it. I explored that point further here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1578467.msg15852496#msg15852496

monotheism is possibly the biggest problem we have, because there are several, and other reasons. But since you must be a jew, let me fuck you off once again.

Actually I am not a Jew. I have 0% Jewish DNA for those who mistakenly think Judiasm is a race and I am not a convert.

I used to be a secular atheist before I realized that position was logically untenable. See CoinCube Highlights for how I came to this conclusion.  Now I am an unaffiliated ethical monotheist who has not yet figured out what faith I fit best into.

If it makes you feel better it is possible I could someday be a Jew years from now. Modern Orthodox Judaism is a very logical faith and their lifestyle is very healthy. That said I do not know that I could handle the massive lifestyle changes such a faith would entail and I have little interest in the other branches of Judaism.

In regards to your personal comments. I will simply reply to you with your own words.


Indeed. I reached the stage where I expect to bring most of my coins to hell with me,
765  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 27, 2017, 11:58:16 PM
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I see nothing objectionable there, at least nothing worth making an argument of. But if we are looking at core issues, then we are looking at the cultural cycle which is driven by the amygdala.

When cultures rise they are majority K and largely homogeneous. This is necessary for them to rise in the first place, as a homogeneous population is a high trust population, which is required in order for a culture to operate under the rule of law and philosophical principles.

But cultures eventually peak. They defeat all their enemies and expand their borders as far as they will go, people become wealthy and decadent and intellectual and the next generation is weaker than the previous. After the peak comes the decline.

A culture in decline is majority r, as is the case now. One common trait of declining cultures is multiculturalism. The old values are not enforced, which enables foreigners to take over.

Jews, having no country of their own, have to live in a host culture. And only declining cultures allow that. This is why they actively work to undermine their society. They can only exist in a declining culture which will inevitably destroy itself, at which point the jews move on to another host culture. They are not the direct cause, but they do further the speed and severity of the decline and makes it harder to turn things around (which, as far as I know, has never successfully been done - I only know of a single example where the decline never set in, due to some very specific circumstances which can not be replicated today).

They are parasites, in the literal sense, and no culture has ever benefited from hosting them. If you or anyone else has an example to the contrary, I would like to hear it.

The bolded portion above is the most important. What allows a population to have a high degree of trust which is required in order for a culture to operate under the rule of law and philosophical principles.

Here an answer provided by Bruce Charlton that I agree with. I will just post links this time so I don't get more angry messages about walls of text.

Religion as the proximate method of Group Selection in humans - implications of its removal
http://iqpersonalitygenius.blogspot.com/2015/11/religion-as-proximate-method-of-group.html?m=1

Is it true that Man is a primarily religious being?
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/06/is-it-true-that-man-is-primarily.html

In regards to parasitism I would simply argue that you are looking at the symptom and not the cause. Once a culture loses its identity and degenerates into a free for all of every man for himself before the house burns down the highest IQ individuals in that population will rise to the top and grab the most for themselves if they are not restrained by a moral code that prevents this. There is little doubt as to which population has that highest IQ in the world.

That said in regards to what benefit Jews have provided to the west the answer is quite a lot. Tremendous scientific achievements have been accomplished by Jews. On a deeper level Monotheism itself has its roots in Judaism and this is arguably responsible for society as we know it. I explored that point further here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1578467.msg15852496#msg15852496

766  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 27, 2017, 11:28:10 PM
It's noble to at least try.  You are not the only one sickened at the rampant right wing, Neo-Nazi, antisemitic bile on here.

I have tried to stand against it, but they won't change. I realise you feel the need to point out this view is plain sickening, nonsensical and historically false.  However, these people live in a bubble of ignorance where the holocaust didn't happen and Hitler 'wasn't all bad' and no one where they live has challenged their twisted views of reality.

I have seen r0ach willing on the 'Second holocaust' on here and no one spoke up, bar me. Shocking it is and so speaking up is right.  America is fucked if this is this is a level of debate that is even tolerated, but I guess you realised that, if you have spotted the irony of a nation of immigrants being so intractably racist. Voting for a leader who is a essentially a white supremacist withe temperament of a thin-skinned five year old proves it.

I am sure this may make me persona non grata here, but if they can say what the hell they like - no matter how evil or pro-genocidal - then others are free to say just how much they disagree and indeed hold their views in contempt.


Kurious it may surprise you to know that I voted for our president and am a supporter  Wink

There is a lot of anger on the right because they see that their quality of life is declining and they often do not understand why. The best strategy is to engage with extremist on both the left and the right challenge their ideas while forcefully condemning violence. It is violence and suppression of freedom especially freedom of speech that must be opposed.  Both the extremist Nazi groups and the extremist Communist groups are more or less the same in their tendency to resort to violence as they would never be able to impose their ideology on society without it. This equivalence is lost on most.


Deadly Junk Science
http://www.scifiwright.com/2017/06/last-crusade-deadly-junk-science/
Quote from: John C. Wright
Junk science leads to more Junk Science leads to death.

The clearest example of Junk Science turning deadly is Trofim Lysenko.

Lysenko was Stalin’s director of the Soviet Union’s Lenin All-Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences. He rejected Mendel’s theory of genetics. He also rejected Darwin’s theory of natural selection, not on the grounds of being unsupported by evidence, but instead on the grounds of being “being foreign, impractical, idealistic and a product of “bourgeois capitalism.”

He proposed instead that evolution was based on cooperation and group struggle rather than the “bourgeois” notion of competition between individuals.

He held to Larmarckian that organisms evolved through the acquisition of traits that they needed and used (as when a giraffe, by stretching its neck to get leaves, actually made its neck lengthen and that this longer neck was then somehow passed on to offspring).

On this basis Lysenko boasted of being able to turn wheat into rye in a few years, to turn spring wheat into summer wheat and to be able to use the principles of material dialectic to get organisms to cooperate rather than compete.

Scientists who disagreed or showed insufficient enthusiasm were sent to jail, gulag, or firing squad.

The net result was that Russia, which had been a wheat exporter, went heavily into debt buying wheat from the United States, and went into a famine.

Millions died.

The race science of the National Socialist German Worker’s Party is the most notorious example of Darwinism run amok.

The idea here is that Darwinian competition between breeds of man produces an invariable conflict no peace can solve; that, indeed, such a peace is not desirable, as it will lead to a degeneration of the breeding stock; and that the competition has brought out higher and lower forms of human life, that is, Untermensch and Übermensch the slave races and the master race.

The theory from this concludes that one’s political loyalties and general worthiness as a human being spring from one’s genetic code, not from one’s political beliefs. Your skin color is your uniform. The fact that Cassius Clay (Negro) and Cat Stephens (Caucasian) are both Mohammedans, whereas Saint Kateri Tekakwitha (American Indian), Saint Paul (Jew), Saint Justin Martyr (Greek) and Saint Augustine of Hippo (North African) are all Catholic is a fact this theory cannot explain and cannot brush aside. Apparently the fact that one’s values, virtues, and habits of thought come from one’s genes is taken as a given, and the fact that these things come from one’s religion, or the religious background of one’s upbringing even if one is an atheist, is ignored without being addressed.

Race science is a crass attempt to solve the paradox of nature versus nurture merely by denying that upbringing and education have any effect on the human animal, that free will plays no part in one’s personality and loyalty. Race science merely decrees nature the sole sovereign of destiny.

That led to the extermination not only of appalling and astronomical numbers of Jews and Gypsies, but also of Catholics. Apparently genetics is passed through the Eucharist, according to the wonder science of the Left.

An aside: Those who believe that the Nazis were creatures of the Right rather than the Left are using a deliberately misleading classification. Leftists regard all who oppose Communism as one party, whether they be monarchists, republicans, libertarians, anarchists or totalitarians.  Since the National Socialists of Germany, the Fascists of Italy, and the International Socialists of Russia and China use identical means (propaganda and violence) to pursue identical goals (collectivist secular totalitarianism) and differ only in their uniforms and buzzwords, I suggest the debate about classification is fraudulent.

To be sure, whether one is a race collectivist who seeks the extermination of all lesser races by the master race, or one is a class collectivist who seeks the liquidation of all bourgeoisie and aristocratic classes by the proletarian class, may seem like a big difference to the twin brothers during their murderous struggles with each other. I am sure that a male rhino can tell the difference between a pretty female rhino and a plain one as well.

To the Christian, who believes that God gave the right of life, liberty and property, with the concurrent rights of freedom of conscience and the right to self-defense, to individuals first and foremost, I only care that I have a large bore rifle handy to shoot the rhino as it rampages, pretty or plain.

So it is with the various forms of Leftism. You may debate the Linnaean classifications of the various forms of political insanity involved if you wish. Which side is the Devil’s party is not under debate: merely count the number of piles of innocent dead bodies in mass graves, or cooked in furnaces, or unburied. You may use units of ten thousand per pile for ease of calculation. End of aside.

In America, the most persistent scientific fraud, working far more damage even than the many eco-hoaxes and enviro-scares of the modern Marxist attack on the West, is the Kinsey Report on human sexuality, which was used as the intellectual justification for the disaster known as the Sexual Revolution. Kinsey published two books: Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953). He met all criticism of his methods and findings by pretending that the objections were moral and ethical, hence were mere superstition and prejudice, whereas he was engaging in honest science. The findings were clear. The debate was over.

However, the findings were absurd on their face, claiming that seven out of ten men had slept with prostitutes, that half of all married men were adulterers, four out of ten males were homosexual, and one out of ten exclusively homosexual, and on and on. Of course, it was soon shown that his sample relied disproportionately on prison inmates, including those jailed for sex offenses, college students, and members of homosexual clubs and associations. The whole thing was Junk Science from start to finish, the Kinsey’s so-called research institute was just a swinger’s club where the ‘researchers’ staged orgies and swapped wives.

The junk science was again deadly, for the Sexual Revolution ushered in the abortion cult, which has consumed more innocent blood than ever the Aztecs spilled across the stepped pyramids of Mexico.

The junk science of environmental scaremongering has its death toll as well, when deaths from diseases carried by insects that could be easily and harmlessly killed by DDT continue to mount, when deaths from the poor freezing to death in Northern Europe, allegedly in civilized nations, when energy costs have been driven up by a jihad against coal and petrol. And, of course, the coal miners who die because atomic energy plants are never more erected in America are all preventable deaths due to environmental alarmism. Likewise the automobile injuries and deaths produced by the government mandating the creation of unsafe, lightweight cars to achieve unrealistic and artificial mileage-per-gallon standards.

There are pools, lakes, and oceans of innocent blood on the hands of all these ignoramuses and willfully ignorant cultists who worship science rather than understand science. The question is why we have for so long tolerated this deadly self-imposed blindness, insanity and hysteria?




  
767  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 27, 2017, 10:59:06 PM
Would you like to address my points? Prove me wrong if you can. Or not, as you please.

Since you asked and the issue is an important one I will do so and ask the forbearance of those here only for BTC market discussion.


^^why is this forum so obsessed with jews? ffs.
Because they are the enemy. Literally. They own the banks, which run on principles contrary to bitcoin. The media, which corrupts our culture. The politicians who make the laws. No culture has ever benefited from letting jews live among them, which is why they keep getting kicked out of their host cultures. Hundreds and hundreds of times.

If you do not understand what you are struggling against you will waste your efforts in futile and self-destructive measures.

Yes the west is dying especially in Europe and yes our current financial system and media are playing a role in that decay but the underlying cause has little to do with everyone's favorite racial bogeyman. Europe is dying because they have voluntary abandoned the foundation that allowed Europe to rise in the first place. This foundation is not "whiteness".  if you go back in history to the fall of Rome and read about subsequent European development it is clear that the primitive and tribal Europeans lived in a world of utter barbarism. The Europeans were not the highest IQ group nor were they the most technologically developed yet they would go on to lead the scientific revolution and transform the globe. Why is this? The answer is not "white superiority". Europeans are neither the most athletic nor are they the smartest branch of humanity yet European culture would eventually dominated the globe why?

The answer is that the Europeans culture was philosophically sound. They formed a broad consensus around some very specific higher principles which allowed them to organize their societies into ever greater levels of sustainable complexity. This lead to a dominance that lasted for hundreds of years and is only now on the wane.

While it may be true that genetic homogeneity makes it easier to maintain philosophical consensus in the case of Europe the point is moot as Europe abandoned its consensus long ago. The embrace of Leftism and a nonchalance about cultural extinction is understood when one grasps the fact that European culture has been dying for some time. It is easy to rail against the symptoms of decline and look for scapegoats to attack. It is far harder to understand true causes and work towards addressing them especially when addressing the true problem requires people to look within rather then without.

The Jews themselves are actually in a very similar to much of Europe in that a huge number of Jews even wealthy ones have sadly abandoned the philosophical consensus that sustained them for thousands of years. Thus you see the rise of the the Jewish Marxists whom the foolish blame for all of the worlds ills. The sad reality is that some of these Jewish Marxist may be getting rich but they are also dying for like the Europeans they have largely abandoned the bedrock which sustained them. Secular Jews have close to the lowest fertility rate in the world.

American Jewish Fertility by Religious Current
Religious SectAverage No. of Children per Woman
Secular1.29
Reform1.36
Conservative1.74
Modern Orthodox3.39
Ultra-Orthodox6.72

Religion and Progress

The greatest obstacle to human progress is not a technological hurdle but the evil inherent in ourselves. Humans have knowledge of good and evil and with this knowledge we often choose evil.

Collectivism exists because it employs aggregated force to limit evil especially the forms of evil linked to physical violence. Collectivism is expensive and inefficient but these inefficiencies are less than the cost of unrestrained individualism. Collectivism aggregates capital for the common good and we are far from outgrowing our need for this.

1.   Prehistory required the aggregation of human capital in the form of young warriors willing to fight to protect the tribe.
2.   The Agricultural Age required physical capital in the form of land ownership and a State to protect the land.
3.   The Industrial Age required the aggregation of monetary capital to fund large fixed capital investments and factories.

A farmer in the agricultural age could achieve some protection from theft and violence by arming himself. He could protect himself against a small hostile groups by forming defensive pacts with neighboring farmers. To defend against large scale organized violence, however, requires an army and thus a state.

In 1651 Thomas Hobbes argued for the merits of centralized monarchy. He believed that only absolute monarchy was capable of suppressing the evils of an unrestrained humanity. He described in graphic wording the consequences of a world without monarchy a condition he called the state of nature.

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In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. - Thomas Hobbes Leviathan

There may well have been a time in human history when the absolute monarchy of Hobbes was the best available government but Hobbes was writing at the end of that era. England had been transformed from a nation almost completely conquered by the Odin worshiping Great Heathen Army of 865 to a country that protected the legal rights of nobles in the Magna Carta of 1215 to a devoutly Christian nation that formalized the rights of judicial review for common citizens in the 1679 Habeas Corpus act. Hobbes had failed to appreciate the growth of moral capital that allowed for superior forms of government with increased freedom.

Our forefathers understood that it is morality and virtue that allows for freedom a lesson many today have forgotten.

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Benjamin Franklin

“Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks, no form of government, can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men; so that we do not depend upon their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them.” - James Madison

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.” - George Washington

In human interactions we often face a choice between cooperation (reaching a mutually beneficial exchange) and defection (advancement of ourselves to the detriment of our fellow man). The nation state, police, and laws suppress physical violence but do nothing to maintain the morality and virtue that sustain freedom. Collectivism limits some avenues of defection while opening entire new possibilities. New opportunities for defection arise along the entire economic spectrum. Everything from special interest lobbying, to disability scammers, and on a larger scale our entire fiat monetary system are essentially forms of defection allowing the few to profit at the expense of the many. Nation state collectivism has allowed for the creation of great civilizations and yet is entirely unsustainable in its current form.

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"our Western civilization is on its way to perishing. It has many commendable qualities, most of which it has borrowed from the Christian ethic, but it lacks the element of moral wisdom that would give it permanence. Future historians will record that we of the twentieth century had intelligence enough to create a great civilization but not the moral wisdom to preserve it." - A.W. Tozer

The perishing of Western civilization, however, does not mean fragmentation and collapse. Indeed in this instance the opposite appears to be true and collapse looks set to drive us via economic fundamentals and debt into a single world government paradigm for reasons discussed at length elsewhere.

The evolution of the social contract is a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. It is likely that in the near future republics will be consumed by world government, and perhaps someday world government will evolve into decentralized government.

Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. Each iteration increases the sustainable degrees of freedom the system can support. Moral capital is the foundation that allows this progress to occur. For this reason ethical monotheism is the single greatest contributor to human progress from any source since human culture emerged from the stone ages.

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"Nature is amoral. Nature knows nothing of good and evil. In nature there is one rule—survival of the fittest. There is no right, only might. If a creature is weak, kill it. Only human beings could have moral rules such as, "If it is weak, protect it." Only human beings can feel themselves ethically obligated to strangers.
...
Nature allows you to act naturally, i.e., do only what you want you to do, without moral restraints; God does not. Nature lets you act naturally - and it is as natural to kill, rape, and enslave as it is to love.
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One of the vital elements in the ethical monotheist revolution was its repudiation of nature as god. The evolution of civilization and morality have depended in large part on desanctifying nature.
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Civilizations that equated gods with nature—a characteristic of all primitive societies—or that worshipped nature did not evolve.
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Words cannot convey the magnitude of the change wrought by the Bible's introduction into the world of a God who rules the universe morally." - Dennis Prager

The utopia of limited to no government would only be possible for a population constantly striving at all times to be moral. Such a utopia would require all individuals to always act cooperatively, honesty, and transparently. We lack the required moral fiber for anything like this to work at our current juncture in history.

See: Freedom and God for more.


768  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 27, 2017, 10:12:13 PM
You are just wrong. There is really nothing else to say.

Ok well we obviously disagree then. In the interest of not excessively trying the patience of those here for BTC discussion I will leave it at that.

I would, however, advise against your strategy of trying to outlast the USA and thus avoid capital gains. Rumors of its impending demise are greatly exaggerated and odds are you will regret this decision sometime down the road.

Edit: Correction looking back I see that you only predicted civil war in the USA and it was someone else who said their investment strategy was to outlast the USA.
769  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 27, 2017, 10:07:11 PM

There is only one single category of humans (?) more despicable than the joos, and that's the shabbos goym.
I feel shame for you.


Reality is reality. Feel free to live in your dream world with your artificial boogeyman you can blame for all the evil in the world. I am not stopping you.
770  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 27, 2017, 09:51:26 PM
^^why is this forum so obsessed with jews? ffs.
Because they are the enemy. Literally. They own the banks, which run on principles contrary to bitcoin. The media, which corrupts our culture. The politicians who make the laws. No culture has ever benefited from letting jews live among them, which is why they keep getting kicked out of their host cultures. Hundreds and hundreds of times.

Sigh yet another blame the Jews post. It's oh so easy to lay all the worlds problems at the feet of a tiny minority. If we could just get rid of all those darn Jews everything would be gumdrops and rainbows. Judaism ultimately is a faith not a race and a tiny one at that.

Take the gentleman George Soros who was born Jewish and is commonly singled out as part of the problem.
Here is a video of him discussing the foundations of his beliefs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp7G4jgz_2w

There in his own words is the ultimate problem not the Jews or anything else. If you want further details on why this is the fundamental problem I would refer you to my thread on this topic.  

Health and Religion
771  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is religion necessary for humans? on: August 26, 2017, 10:58:33 PM
Is it true that Man is a primarily religious being?
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/06/is-it-true-that-man-is-primarily.html
Quote from: Bruce Charlton
The literal insanity of mainstream public discourse, and the lack of insight of this fact, suggests that Man without religion is non-viable.

To put matters another way - religion is the most important thing in the human world

Of course, a few individuals, in the short term, can survive atheism mentally intact; but there is no evidence at all that this is a possibility for human societies over more than a few decades - then the signs of insanity (incoherence, exitinction) become more-and-more obvious... or they would do so if loss of insight was not itself a prime sign of insanity.

So insanity shields us from knowledge of our own insanity, because insanity destroys insight as much as it destroys judgement - it affects the whole mode of thinking.

How, then, do we know we, as a society, are insane?

1. By applying older judgements, from the time before Men became insane - reading old books, talking to non-modern people...

2. By looking at the basic biological viability of atheist societies in terms of reproduction, demographics, response to direct and immediate threats, scale of priorities ... Compare societies and groups that are biologically viable, with the modern atheist societies that are not...

3. By reflecting on how we feel about Life. Insane people are almost always miserable - dysphoric, despairing, desperate... almost all of the time. Even the euphoric frenzy of mania is brittle, and crashes into suicidal self-destruction with a high frequency. Is there hope?

In conclusion - religion is the most important thing.

Religion is necessary for long term motivation, for social coherence, for purpose, and to enable the individual to be a part of the whole.

Since religion is necessary, if or when humans either dispense with religion or else place it anything lower than first in priority; then they as individuals and their societies will begin to fall apart and spiral towards alienation, purposelessness, inability to perceive or reason what is important, cowardice (i.e. short-term selfishness), desperation and all the rest of it.

Modernity is the experiment of Man living without Religion. The experiment has been running for several generations.

But the experiment of modernity has deprived modern people of the motivation, honesty and ability to evaluate the results of the experiment - by the always changing criteria of modernity, modernity sees no alternative to itself...

Conclusion: Religion is objectively necessary; and, by one kind of reasoning, therefore true. If you are not religious you are living in error. If you are not religious then you need to become religious. The question you must settle is not whether you should be religious, but which religion you will adopt.
772  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 26, 2017, 08:10:27 PM
Interesting read. I can't help but be reminded of Base Commander Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove.

To each his own. It reminded me of the Romans and the great pride they had in their extensive network of lead pipes, lead cooking and drinking vessels and lead based makeup.

Lead in ancient Rome’s city waters
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/18/6594
Quote from: Hugo Delile
By measuring Pb isotope compositions of sediments from the Tiber River and the Trajanic Harbor, the present work shows that “tap water” from ancient Rome had 100 times more lead than local spring waters.
773  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 26, 2017, 07:26:30 PM

All jokes aside this is a very important study that everyone should read.

I have posted my thoughts on it here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg21230736#msg21230736
774  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: August 26, 2017, 07:07:09 PM
Buy organic fruits & vegetables and look into the source of your drinking water.

Atrazine induces complete feminization and chemical castration in frogs
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842049/
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ABSTRACT

The herbicide atrazine is one of the most commonly applied pesticides in the world. As a result, atrazine is the most commonly detected pesticide contaminant of ground, surface, and drinking water. Atrazine is also a potent endocrine disruptor that is active at low, ecologically relevant concentrations. Previous studies showed that atrazine adversely affects amphibian larval development. The present study demonstrates the reproductive consequences of atrazine exposure in adult amphibians. Atrazine-exposed males were both demasculinized (chemically castrated) and completely feminized as adults. Ten percent of the exposed genetic males developed into functional females that copulated with unexposed males and produced viable eggs. Atrazine-exposed males suffered from depressed testosterone, decreased breeding gland size, demasculinized/feminized laryngeal development, suppressed mating behavior, reduced spermatogenesis, and decreased fertility. These data are consistent with effects of atrazine observed in other vertebrate classes. The present findings exemplify the role that atrazine and other endocrine-disrupting pesticides likely play in global amphibian declines.

Atrazine is one of the most widely used pesticides in the world. Approximately 80 million pounds are applied annually in the United States alone, and atrazine is the most common pesticide contaminant of ground and surface water (1). Atrazine can be transported more than 1,000 km from the point of application via rainfall and, as a result, contaminates otherwise pristine habitats, even in remote areas where it is not used (2, 3). In fact, more than a half million pounds of atrazine are precipitated in rainfall each year in the United States (2).

In addition to its persistence, mobility, and widespread contamination of water, atrazine is also a concern because several studies have shown that atrazine is a potent endocrine disruptor active in the ppb (parts per billion) range in fish (4, 5), amphibians (6–12), reptiles, and human cell lines (5, 13–15), and at higher doses (ppm) in reptiles (16–18), birds (19), and laboratory rodents (20–28).

Atrazine seems to be most potent in amphibians, where it is active at levels as low as 0.1 ppb (6–10). Although a few studies suggest that atrazine has no effect on amphibians under certain laboratory conditions (29, 30), in other studies, atrazine reduces testicular volume; reduces germ cell and Sertoli cell numbers (11); induces hermaphroditism (6, 8, 10); reduces testosterone (10); and induces testicular oogenesis (7–9, 31). Furthermore, atrazine contamination is associated with demasculinization and feminization of amphibians in agricultural areas where atrazine is used (32) and directly correlated with atrazine contamination in the wild (7, 9, 33, 34).

Despite the wealth of data from larvae and newly metamorphosed amphibians, the ultimate impacts of atrazine’s developmental effects on reproductive function and fitness at sexual maturity, which relate more closely to population level effects and amphibian declines, have been unexplored. In the present study, we examined the long-term effects of atrazine exposure on reproductive development and function in an all-male population of African clawed frogs (Xenopus laevis).

(full study available at link above)

If the effects on amphibians cross over at all into the human population, which they probably do, young children especially young boys would be at highest risk. As the parent of a young boy I have starting purchasing separate and expensive drinking water (just for him) that is from a remote ground water source. I drink the cheep filtered stuff.      
 
One would think that fairly solid evidence of a massive and population wide toxic exposure would spark a public outcry in a robust and viable society.

Sperm Counts Have Plummeted Among Western Men, Scientists Confirm

https://www.google.com/amp/gizmodo.com/sperm-counts-are-declining-among-western-men-scientist-1797231662/amp
Quote from: George Dvorsky
Something weird is going on with human sperm production. For decades, scientists have warned that sperm counts are dropping among Western men, but no one has really been able to prove it. In what is now the largest and most comprehensive study of its kind, scientists have presented compelling evidence in support of this rather alarming assertion, showing that sperm counts have dropped more than 50 percent in just four decades.

The sperm count decline is real and it’s not showing any signs of slowing down, according to new research published in Human Reproduction Update. By conducting a meta-analysis of 185 studies published between 1973 and 2011, researchers from the Hebrew University-Hadassah Braun School of Public Health and Community Medicine and the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai documented a 52.4 percent decline in sperm concentration, and a 59.3 percent decline in total sperm count among men living in North America, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand.

775  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 23, 2017, 02:04:39 AM

The difficulty has already went up for BCH, hours ago. Surprisingly, the average block time has only been about 15 minutes since then. They may be able to go this entire 2016 blocks without the emergency difficulty adjustment kicking in.

Interesting I thought it was later tonight. Maybe things won't play out the way I described above but we will see. I have my popcorn ready just in case.
776  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 23, 2017, 01:49:28 AM
Will be interesting to see what happens to BCH once the difficulty adjusts way up and (I suspect) it's larger enemies both stop mining it and move to dump the price.

I think we are soon going to see the resolve of the BCH pumpers truly tested.

It only takes six blocks mined every 12 hours to prevent BCH's automatic short term difficulty adjustment.
https://www.coindesk.com/even-miners-hate-bitcoin-cash-might-want-mine/

Disclaimer: I sold all my BCH over the weekend and if I had any more I would probably sell right now.
777  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 21, 2017, 07:56:53 PM
Advice on electrum please.

 Is this a good wallet to use to be middle man when creating a new paper wallet?

I.e. Moving coins from one paper wallet to a new one.



Electrum works well for this.

If you are not in a rush you can even load the private keys from the paper wallet directly into the electrum wallet instead of sweeping them and then just pay a single tx fee to move them directly from one paper wallet to another but that process is more complex and takes longer.

Easiest thing to do is to just sweep the private keys into your electrum wallet and then send it on from there to you new paper wallet ie two transactions.

If you are worried about your computer being compromised you can even have an online electrum wallet on your normal PC and an offline electrum wallet on a cheep laptop that only signs transactions and transfer the transactions back and forth from online to offline computer with a USB stick so you private keys are never connected to the internet but that is not required.

Make sure to get the wallet from the official site electrum.org as there is at least one scam site out there peddling malware. 
778  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 21, 2017, 07:37:22 PM

One thing would be to get more BTC with your BCH, another would be to sell part of the BCH into dollars, and another (that you are assuming) is that they are selling more than the BCH dollar amount, which is a bit larger of an assumption....


Does not have to be more. If BCH is being pumped with BTC but the pumpers are using older saved BTC and the sellers of BCH are converting to fiat it could put substantial downward pressure on the Bitcoin price. This is what I think is actually happening but that is just speculation.

Having your funds in long term cold storage can make for a fairly powerful psychological barrier to selling. As holders breach cold storage on a large scale to cash out BCH it will probably will push some people to sell who would not otherwise. How much and how relevant this will be is unknown.

Honestly, given these negative pressures I believe the simple fact that the price has not totally crashed is a very bullish indicator over the medium term. I put my money where my mouth is and I am now 1% fiat 99% BTC and 0% BCH so perhaps that makes me biased  Cheesy
779  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 21, 2017, 03:56:38 PM
Bob was probably wise to wait to get verified. For the first time I have real money sitting on Poloniex, just waiting for them to go bust. I don't even think the daily limit is real. I was able to withdraw about $800 24 hours ago. Undecided

A friend of mine who is not a US citizen told me he sold his BCH on ViaBTC. He said it worked for him verified him in a few hours and allows for withdraws up to 100 BTC per day. He reported that he converted his BCH to BTC and then withdrew BTC without issue.

I do not know what the volumes are at ViaBTC or really anything at all about the exchange so proceed at your own risk. I am also not sure if they allow US citizens to trade.
780  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 21, 2017, 01:58:48 PM
Probably gonna see a dip to 3.5k-3.7k

Lots of people moving their bitcoin's from cold storage to claim and often sell their BCH. After that it becomes very tempting to convert some BTC to fiat and take some fiat profits. Much easier to hold when your BTC are in long term storage then it is when they are in a hot wallet right in front of you.

I opted to hold my new BTC but I considered selling some. Many other will sell a bit and probably regret it later.
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