I'm just going to pay the last week and let people go on their way peacefully without spam disputes


It's not my fault you had over -8000 trust when you tried to apply. You're spending far too much time being upset over getting rejected from the campaign and I knew you were wasting my time when you tried to claim over 40% of the campaign has 1-2 merits. Sorry but I'm not interested in responding to you anymore unless you have something constructive to say or at least semi truthful.

@hilariousandco

If you have anyone else you want kicked out let me know because I'm removing people right now since the week just ended

Don't worry about the campaign anymore, idk who you're an alt of but odds are you're one of the people ruining things for everyone and you're probably about to get kicked out

I'm putting a Bitcoin bounty on this guy for anyone who can provide evidence of who he's an alt of so I can be 100% sure he gets kicked out

I take this as a compliment man, after all it is titled "A New Kind of Campaign" When I saw all of these campaigns it didn't take long for me to realise it could be done better and cheaper and that's what made me one of the most successful campaign managers on Bitcointalk.


What even is spam? (not aimed at anyone specifically)

It's not even fair to call people who are trying their hardest to make posts a spammer. A spammer is someone who intentionally makes low quality posts over and over again. I've seen people go as far to say if you're from a certain country you're automatically a shit poster and that's just not fair at all. I've seen many people here make racists remarks towards members of this community simply because things like English isn't their first language and say that means they shouldn't be allowed to be here. Everyone deserves equality and a fair chance regardless of if you're a 0 merit newbie with English as a second language or a 3000+ merit Legendary with English as a first language. We should be more focused on treating each other as human beings and not treating each other based on a merit system full of abuse. I had a surgery earlier in the year and my surgeon didn't speak great English when we talked. Does this mean I should have dismissed his opinions and looked at him as someone who wasn't credible?

I'm not saying people should be full out responding in other languages. I'm saying a lot of what makes someone considered a "spammer" are grammer errors smaller than the one you were so eager to point out just now.

Okay I just want to point out involving merits into a a signature campaign won't work out. All that will do is encourage merit abuse and then everyone will say, "Oh look at that SteveStake now and his merit abuse! This merit abuse is clearly because the wages are too low!"

I tried to involve merit into the campaign in the past and I consider it the biggest failure in the entire campaign. I held a contest and the people who earned the most merit for the week would split a few hundred dollars in prizes. I say it was the biggest failure because I had to kick so many people out for merit abuse and people were breaking rules and begging for merit. Merit is abused heavily already without someone else giving incentive to "earn" it. If I add in merit rules to the contest we can guarantee a SteveStake is encouraging merit abuse thread.

Just on my past threads, when I'm not doing things campaign related I post a bunch of giveaways and games for the community to join in on. If people hate me or not I don't have a problem with anyone personally and I think we can all get along and make this a less toxic/spammy environment overall.

I haven't been reporting people but yes a few posts from this thread have been removed



That's simply not true. Be a leader not a follower, you only say that because someone else did and if you research yourself you'd know there's a massive spam issue long before this campaign and there will be one long after. I'm not asking anyone to do anything and I'm simply providing a place for people to report any campaign spammer if they choose. People try to do it in random places across the forum already so it only makes sense to provide 1 place for people to post. Sure some people made low quality posts but it's the minority of members and people are taking out years of frustration towards Bitcointalk on a single campaign that's not even that old. I feel like the Stake campaign is turning into an antispam awareness movement. I don't mind taking the beating if it leads to a greater outcome in the end.

I like you Loyce, you take part in everything I post here long before this campaign and speak positively about Stake as a casino and website

Are you making this stuff up to try and bait me to count the merits?
If over 80% of the campaign is full member+ how can 40% have 1 merit? I'll give you something more accurate than the median merits of the campaign, the average including Jr/Members

367.94 average merits for a Stake campaign member. It doesn't take much effort to find out your claim is 100% false

I look at your list of 51 banned accounts and I don't even know who majority of them even are. This is completely flawed because you're making your own list of people so your information is false. Low merits does not mean someone is incapable of a good post either. Are you incapable of being trusted or making a good post because your trust level is so negative?

Another thing, I'm fully aware what some of you are doing when you put a Stake signature on and then start trolling without being part of the campaign.

Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg51190436#msg51190436

There was never a point Souldream was ever in this campaign yet he was wearing the signature getting banned for plagiarism. He's still wearing the Stake avatar right now? This is obviously people attacking the campaign. How are you not trolling by trying to claim 40% of members have 1 merit, it's impossible. The fact you have so many merits for making that claim shows either merit abuse is very present on Bitcointalk (which it is) or people have no idea what they're talking about. It's handing out merits to support a post which is not true to gang up on me


Higher pay rates will only encourage people to post more and lower pay rates encourage people to post less. If we truly want to see spam gone then remove all pay per post features because that will always encourage spam. Once I lowered the pay rates I saw an instant decrease in spam and it worked out well. I suggest other campaign managers stop over paying for posts because your supply of posters far surpasses your demand for them. But sure everyone is going to hate me for saying that even though it's true because so many are making a career out of Bitcointalk


This isn't true either...
Where am I asking people to post Telegram names other than in my private messages? If you went through the entire thread to find this "banned users" list how can you say something that makes it look like you didn't even read the first page lol

I think it might finally be time to release the most iconic spreadsheet member list ever known to Bitcointalk. I've kept it private because I didn't want people abusing it since it had Telegram names, Bitcointalk names and Stake names all in one place. Since I was making announcements to everyone in a Telegram group it was important for the people in the group to know who is who and where. I've now created a Telegram channel with a private members list so it's no longer needed for everyone to know who is who on Telegram. This means I can release a public spreadsheet listing only Bitcointalk usernames and put nobody at any risk. We can expect to see a members list after the next payout because when I remove people I let them finish the week and collect a final payment.



I think for evidence we just need to post enough to get the attention of a campaign manager to further manually review the claim. As for the total number of reports I've made I'm not sure. I don't report people often but I am holding 100% accuracy. I think there's a flaw with the report system when it comes to signature campaigns. You can report someone and they get all of these posts removed but they don't get banned so when a campaign manager checks the posts they see nothing and just think they didn't post much.

I guess I clicked quote after the edit and didn't see but just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it's impossible this can easily work and it already is. If anything I'm eliminating spam by bringing everyone here instead of people making multiple threads on the same topic

After 3-4 pages of spam I always knew DarkStar_ would be the one to save the day and use the thread correctly. Yup you're right he's messaging me on Telegram right now talking about an unjustified 7 day ban and has been removed from the campaign.

You're getting paid for that post? I think you're trolling me honestly

I'm sad we're about to be on page 4 without anyone making use of what this thread is for. I guess it shows the Bitcointalk spam issue goes a lot deeper than any single campaign.

This is very true. If we want to see an instant drop of 100% of the spam on Bitcointalk all we need to do is remove every pay per post offer. We would also see a significant drop in spam across the forum from all campaigns if the pay rates dropped. Don't be fooled by people saying a lower pay rate encourages spam because it's actually a higher pay rate that gives incentive for spammers to come here and squeeze in as many posts as possible.

When I reverted the pay rate in the Stake campaign the number of posts for the week instantly dropped a large amount after barely anyone left which is undeniable evidence that lower pay rates cause less posts in total and that means less chance of spam.

Think of it like this, are you more likely to spam Bitcointalk and force posts out if you make $100 per post or 1 cent per post?

It's almost as if everyone is wearing an invisible yobit signature or something with how much it's talked about still. The only reason I even went on their site is because everyone talking about it so much lol
 

The highest quality posters you can find are those who post for free and aren't part of a signature campaign because they're genuinely posting and not for money. Can you imagine the amount of spam on this forum if I made a huge pay rate? Everyone would be having a field day spamming Bitcointalk as fast as possible. I believe people are unhappy with these pay rates because it proves the value of a post is far far less than we make it out to be. It's simple supply and demand, if I make this offer and so many people are still trying to join then it's obvious the pay rates could be lower and still have new members wanting to join. I know the counter argument will be "they're low quality" but how is that even an argument because under that assumption you're saying Bitcointalk is mostly low quality people.

60% of the campaign is ranked Senior or higher. If we add full members we go up to over 82%.
Last week's average post count per member? 22.45

I think there's more to this than wanting to prevent spam and people don't like that other campaign managers will look at what I'm doing and wonder why they're paying so much for the same thing. Other campaign managers should be lowering their pay rates if anything because the demand for their campaign will not drop. Everyone has their agenda, I know it's not all about potential spam and that's why I get more people who aren't part of the campaign complaining about the pay rates than people who are in it.

Interesting point I guess I never realised how many people are actually begging me in pm and Telegram for a job in this campaign since day 1 lol

I want to point out I'm not asking anyone to do this job. The point of this thread isn't so I don't have to clear out potential spammers. The point of this thread is to show I am making the effort to not only clean the forum from any spam in my campaign but also general spam at the same time. Let's be honest, the general post quality is super low with or without the Stake campaign. It's not even that I'm creating the people who are being called spammers because they were here long before the campaign and they will be here long after in other campaigns. Again I'm not looking to hire anyone I just noticed people are posting about some of the members so here's your place to put it where I'll surely see it and then be able to take action against those members. This is a good thing for the forum.



This is at nobody specific I just figured it could all be done at the same time for all campaigns. You can also be paid for 1 post, 7 posts, 12 posts ect it's not just in increments of 10

hey that's not a fair quote lol

Can we all agree on a number for deleted post counts that's undeniably from spam?

Why is everyone so angry? I thought this is what you wanted rather than posting in random places all over the forum about spam we can do it in one place now

Feedback for the Stake signature campaign should be posted here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110093

Let's not be spammers!

This is for all campaigns not only 1! Let's stay on topic and keep this thread for improving Bitcointalk as a whole!