Report a Signature Campaign Spammer!

[Quickseller]

I don’t think Steve is serious about wanting to improve the impact his advertising campaign has on the forum.

IMO, he should hire someone to help manage it, based on his request to message him on telegram, it doesn’t sound like he even has time to review applications. If he were to perform even very basic due diligence on potential participants, it would go a long way in weeding out the spammers— he could have basic requirements such as minimum earned merit and recent earned merit, and review the last couple of pages of potential participants post history. If he were to even casually check post lengths on several posters, he would pretty quickly weed out any spammers who make their way into the campaign.

The biggest evidence that Stake has no interest in weeding out the spammers from their campaign is their pay rates. No one in their right mind would advertise for them at the rates they are offering, who has halfway decent post quality. They would choose to either not advertise anything, or find another campaign that pays 10x as much. The only people they will attract are those who have no idea what they are talking about and are willing to post crap.

As it stands now, their advertising campaign is doing more harm than good because it is associating their brand with harm to the community.

[LoyceV]

As it stands now, their advertising campaign is doing more harm than good because it is associating their brand with harm to the community.

And that's the part I really don't get! Stake is a good site and trusted site. From what I've seen, it had a good image until this campaign came around. It just doesn't make sense.

[Quickseller]

As it stands now, their advertising campaign is doing more harm than good because it is associating their brand with harm to the community.

And that's the part I really don't get! Stake is a good site and trusted site. From what I've seen, it had a good image until this campaign came around. It just doesn't make sense.

I guess they wanted to increase their brand exposure. Their primedice brand is pretty well known, but I guess there were too many copycats emulating them, so they decided to create stake, which is closer to what you would see in a real casino. I don’t think their stake brand is as well known.

I don’t think they need to have every page of every thread contain one or their ads. People read enough threads to see an ad that only appears in 2-3% of thread pages, and they’ll probably see it multiple times.

[asche]

And that's the part I really don't get! Stake is a good site and trusted site. From what I've seen, it had a good image until this campaign came around. It just doesn't make sense.

When it comes to pure advertising it does.

It is about having their logo/image all over the place. It is subconscious. I honestly doubt that having people doing good posts with the stake logo would change anything for them.

The more often you see the logo, the more likely you are to chose their service over another.

So it does make sense, it is simply not respectful to the community is all.

[ololajulo]

not only the post should be check but also the threads, some got all the answer they needed in less than 20 post, such thread should be locked after a while. The idea of this thread should not only be about signature campaign spam but the influence of the forum in general to ICOs and other prevailing services the forum can offer

[erikalui]

Many times the users of the Stake.com campaign were reported but no action was taken. None of these users were kicked out of the campaign and even when their posts kept getting deleted, still they kept being a part of the campaign. Even though there are many users, it is the responsibility of the campaign manager to check the posts and I've seen many users who post once a week and all spam posts and still get paid. When any such issue is discussed in the telegram group, the posts are deleted as spam while the REAL spam is never dealt with. Now the rates are ridiculously low and the sections are limited but still spam continues.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

OP is just trying to play smart, he's trying to present this thread as a solution to solve the spam problem from participants of his campaign meanwhile his intentions are different. If truely he's interested in solving the spam issue of stake signature campaign he would had done that from the root which is enforcing anti-spam rules in campaign

This thread is just a publicity stunt for creating more awareness for the project, don't fall for it. Don't give this thread any serious attention, doing so will just create more awareness like it did for yobit. What we need now is an intervention by theymos. Stakes signature has done more harm even than yobit and deserve to be given same treatment as yobit got.

[BharatDEX]

Wouldn't there be the group which controls the majority of campaigns which don't allow the majority of members to participate these people wouldn't be using these kinds of offers.

So the conclusion is the real spammer which is forcing a big group to participate in these kinds of campaigns are the so-called quality hunters themselves which deny the majority of participants on any decent campaign for any bs reason

[asche]

Wouldn't there be the group which controls the majority of campaigns which don't allow the majority of members to participate these people wouldn't be using these kinds of offers.

So the conclusion is the real spammer which is forcing a big group to participate in these kinds of campaigns are the so-called quality hunters themselves which deny the majority of participants on any decent campaign for any bs reason

Your logic is so flawed you have to realize it yourself.

Please read the definition of the word spammer.

The main purpose of this forum is NOT making a buck of signature campaigns. I hope you are aware of that. If you are not you are welcome to leave

[BharatDEX]

The main purpose of this forum is NOT making a buck of signature campaigns. I hope you are aware of that. If you are not you are welcome to leave

That's why you use chipmixer . Because it's a low paying offer heh?
The exclusion of participants in any decent campaign forces them to accept shitty campaigns like stake.

You are the main issue people are spamming on these low-quality campaigns.

Demanding for themselves a better pay to not be forced to spam but post only quality content but at the same time deny access to the majority of participants to be able to earn a decent commission without being forced to spam.

You are a hypocrite like the rest of you


BTW maybe you can point me as DT member who is attacking Stake a rule which he broke?
Because I can't find it.

[SteveStake]

Don't give this thread any serious attention, doing so will just create more awareness like it did for yobit.

It's almost as if everyone is wearing an invisible yobit signature or something with how much it's talked about still. The only reason I even went on their site is because everyone talking about it so much lol
 

The biggest evidence that Stake has no interest in weeding out the spammers from their campaign is their pay rates.

The highest quality posters you can find are those who post for free and aren't part of a signature campaign because they're genuinely posting and not for money. Can you imagine the amount of spam on this forum if I made a huge pay rate? Everyone would be having a field day spamming Bitcointalk as fast as possible. I believe people are unhappy with these pay rates because it proves the value of a post is far far less than we make it out to be. It's simple supply and demand, if I make this offer and so many people are still trying to join then it's obvious the pay rates could be lower and still have new members wanting to join. I know the counter argument will be "they're low quality" but how is that even an argument because under that assumption you're saying Bitcointalk is mostly low quality people.

60% of the campaign is ranked Senior or higher. If we add full members we go up to over 82%.
Last week's average post count per member? 22.45

I think there's more to this than wanting to prevent spam and people don't like that other campaign managers will look at what I'm doing and wonder why they're paying so much for the same thing. Other campaign managers should be lowering their pay rates if anything because the demand for their campaign will not drop. Everyone has their agenda, I know it's not all about potential spam and that's why I get more people who aren't part of the campaign complaining about the pay rates than people who are in it.

[IPVPIRL]

As it stands now, their advertising campaign is doing more harm than good because it is associating their brand with harm to the community.

And that's the part I really don't get! Stake is a good site and trusted site. From what I've seen, it had a good image until this campaign came around. It just doesn't make sense.

You should know that there is no bad advertisement. Noone is not going to buy a product just because he hated a commercial. What happens is the opposite of what you think. The brand always gains .
The bounty manager made these rules in order to raise awareness of the brand of Stake.com and he succeeded. Everyone is talking about Stake.com from what I see.

It is obvioius that it has destroyed the other campaigns and you keep crying about spammers and asking staff members to delete and ban participants. Seriously what you should be asking is to stop all bounty activities on this forum if you only have pure intentions. This would actually raise the quality of posts and stop spam immediately. But this is exactly what 99/100 of you do for a liviing as it seems. So you made something like a union and make demands on what goes against your interests. This is exactly how this looks.

I didn't know wtf Stake.com was until bounty-hunters spammed the Stake avatar on every thread. I think at least 90% of people that use bitcointalk didn't know about them either. Most of you probably haven't studied how marketing works or what a marketing plan is. This bounty manager is probably 100 times more efficient than any of you, he obviously got paid way more than most of you will ever make and right now he is trolling you hard with this post because he did his job and doesn't care about you. And you still keep spamming bs and cry about the quality of his bounty. You basically have no idea how marketing works.

Now read this to be clear: I absolutely hate marketing and advertisment. I participated in a few bounties and I hated this promotional bullshit even more than I already did. But I have a fucking clue what this is about and you people behave like it is something that has rules (everyone has in mind different rules too), but it doesn't. Do you realize how clueless you look? Do you understand why this guy is trolling you like this? These old members from 2012-13 that always have an avatar are basically the ones that didn't hold their bitcoins since 2013, but sold them for peanuts, or gambled them on some shitty online casino and now think they can make this activity their main job for the next 20 years. Seriously these are your life targets? Being a bounty-hunter? Again, this looks like you are crying and asking to takeover this guy's campaign.

Do you think Stake.com didn't notice if it was succesful and that they want your opinion? I'm feeling this forum doesn't have much to offer. Everyone is writing something, having his own personal agenda in mind. So now you deserve the trolling from this guy that probably doesn't even care about bitcoin, or technology in general, or trading. He just did the job way better than you. Hating him only makes you look bad. You talk about quality but still you ask certain number of posts in all campaigns. And what I read from other campaign posts? Same useless posts.

So if the current staff of bitcointalk wants to have more quality it should actually ban all promotional activities as I hate reading what a paid avatar has to answer to me.

[SteveStake]

Seriously what you should be asking is to stop all bounty activities on this forum if you only have pure intentions.

So if the current staff of bitcointalk wants to have more quality it should actually ban all promotional activities

This is very true. If we want to see an instant drop of 100% of the spam on Bitcointalk all we need to do is remove every pay per post offer. We would also see a significant drop in spam across the forum from all campaigns if the pay rates dropped. Don't be fooled by people saying a lower pay rate encourages spam because it's actually a higher pay rate that gives incentive for spammers to come here and squeeze in as many posts as possible.

When I reverted the pay rate in the Stake campaign the number of posts for the week instantly dropped a large amount after barely anyone left which is undeniable evidence that lower pay rates cause less posts in total and that means less chance of spam.

Think of it like this, are you more likely to spam Bitcointalk and force posts out if you make $100 per post or 1 cent per post?

[Hhampuz]

Interesting tactic you are taking on now Steve. Oh well, another thread going to shit.

[Astargath]

The main purpose of this forum is NOT making a buck of signature campaigns. I hope you are aware of that. If you are not you are welcome to leave

That's why you use chipmixer . Because it's a low paying offer heh?
The exclusion of participants in any decent campaign forces them to accept shitty campaigns like stake.

You are the main issue people are spamming on these low-quality campaigns.

Demanding for themselves a better pay to not be forced to spam but post only quality content but at the same time deny access to the majority of participants to be able to earn a decent commission without being forced to spam.

You are a hypocrite like the rest of you


BTW maybe you can point me as DT member who is attacking Stake a rule which he broke?
Because I can't find it.

Yep, they really are huge hypocrites, they think they are above the spammers just because they have slightly better posting quality but they also force themselves to post. I have a paid signature and I definitely feel more encouraged to post.

[SteveStake]

Interesting tactic you are taking on now Steve. Oh well, another thread going to shit.

I'm sad we're about to be on page 4 without anyone making use of what this thread is for. I guess it shows the Bitcointalk spam issue goes a lot deeper than any single campaign.

[asche]

Interesting tactic you are taking on now Steve. Oh well, another thread going to shit.

I'm sad we're about to be on page 4 without anyone making use of what this thread is for. I guess it shows the Bitcointalk spam issue goes a lot deeper than any single campaign.

Trolling is specifically against the rules.

[SteveStake]

Interesting tactic you are taking on now Steve. Oh well, another thread going to shit.

I'm sad we're about to be on page 4 without anyone making use of what this thread is for. I guess it shows the Bitcointalk spam issue goes a lot deeper than any single campaign.

Trolling is specifically against the rules.

You're getting paid for that post? I think you're trolling me honestly

[DarkStar_]

Interesting tactic you are taking on now Steve. Oh well, another thread going to shit.

I'm sad we're about to be on page 4 without anyone making use of what this thread is for. I guess it shows the Bitcointalk spam issue goes a lot deeper than any single campaign.

No one wants to do your work for you. And like you said, people will try to join other campaigns. Thus, it's better to directly report spammer's posts to mods because:
a) The spam gets deleted and thus not paid for
b) Mods might get fed up of Stake spam and issue a signature ban, which is much more permanent than playing whack-a-mole against every new spammer you accept
c) Users will get banned *eventually* and thus can't join another campaign (I've had a few 7 day bans and a 30 day signature ban issued from what I've seen)
d) You don't have a public spreadsheet AFAIK and Stake is definitely the biggest target right now, excluding altcoin bounty spam. BitVest/777Coin are also issues but to a lesser extent. I can't even confirm that you did anything.


With that out of the way, here's your first actual report.

Bitcointalk username: LUCKMCFLY
From campaign: Stake
Accusation: Spam
Evidence: 135 posts deleted on BPIP. 92+ good reports from me personally and 0 bad ones. Likely serving a 7 day temp ban right now.

Interesting tactic you are taking on now Steve. Oh well, another thread going to shit.

I'm sad we're about to be on page 4 without anyone making use of what this thread is for. I guess it shows the Bitcointalk spam issue goes a lot deeper than any single campaign.

Trolling is specifically against the rules.

You're getting paid for that post?

No.

[BeneShiPos]

op i think you’re havin a tough time with the thread because people expect a manager of a campaign to handle it..