Report a Signature Campaign Spammer!

[SteveStake]

With that out of the way, here's your first actual report.

Bitcointalk username: LUCKMCFLY
From campaign: Stake
Accusation: Spam
Evidence: 135 posts deleted on BPIP. 92+ good reports from me personally and 0 bad ones. Likely serving a 7 day temp ban right now.

After 3-4 pages of spam I always knew DarkStar_ would be the one to save the day and use the thread correctly. Yup you're right he's messaging me on Telegram right now talking about an unjustified 7 day ban and has been removed from the campaign.

[DarkStar_]

After 3-4 pages of spam I always knew DarkStar_ would be the one to save the day and use the thread correctly. Yup you're right he's messaging me on Telegram right now talking about an unjustified 7 day ban and has been removed from the campaign.

Could you post a public spreadsheet or at least PM me a link to one so that I can see who's actually still in the campaign and who is removed but just inactive and still wearing the signature? Thanks.

[Quickseller]

After 3-4 pages of spam I always knew DarkStar_ would be the one to save the day and use the thread correctly. Yup you're right he's messaging me on Telegram right now talking about an unjustified 7 day ban and has been removed from the campaign.

Could you post a public spreadsheet or at least PM me a link to one so that I can see who's actually still in the campaign and who is removed but just inactive and still wearing the signature? Thanks.

They have said in the past that participants can go on "vacation" for as long as they want and still remain in the campaign.

• Never ending vacation! Take as much time off from posting as you want, you won't be removed for it!

(if they were removed and are currently inactive, they would not have any recent spammy posts)

[Joel_Jantsen]

I don't mind reporting all the spammers including the spam posts and the reason why the post is a spam and you would be wasting money by keeping them in the campaign BUT I wouldn't do that for free. There should be some sort of bounty or rewards for reporting a spammer. Otherwise, I could be your campaign manager and make sure I put in efforts to manage the campaign properly as I'm getting paid for the job.

[actmyname]

Close this thread.

This has nothing to do with you nor your campaign. This has to do with the very idea of having a thread for reporting spammers.

I tried this in the past and I realized all too soon that it was a waste of time. Leaving behind "evidence" of their spam is ridiculous because for 99.9% of cases you need not look further than their most recent posts.

The amount of time it takes for your construction of such a post against one given spammer is equivalent to the amount of time that you could make a few score good reports against both the spammer thereof and others.How many posts have you reported, Steve?

[SteveStake]

Could you post a public spreadsheet or at least PM me a link to one so that I can see who's actually still in the campaign and who is removed but just inactive and still wearing the signature? Thanks.

I think it might finally be time to release the most iconic spreadsheet member list ever known to Bitcointalk. I've kept it private because I didn't want people abusing it since it had Telegram names, Bitcointalk names and Stake names all in one place. Since I was making announcements to everyone in a Telegram group it was important for the people in the group to know who is who and where. I've now created a Telegram channel with a private members list so it's no longer needed for everyone to know who is who on Telegram. This means I can release a public spreadsheet listing only Bitcointalk usernames and put nobody at any risk. We can expect to see a members list after the next payout because when I remove people I let them finish the week and collect a final payment.

Close this thread.

This has nothing to do with you nor your campaign. This has to do with the very idea of having a thread for reporting spammers.

I tried this in the past and I realized all too soon that it was a waste of time. Leaving behind "evidence" of their spam is ridiculous because for 99.9% of cases you need not look further than their most recent posts.

The amount of time it takes for your construction of such a post against one given spammer is equivalent to the amount of time that you could make a few score good reports against both the spammer thereof and others.How many posts have you reported, Steve?

I think for evidence we just need to post enough to get the attention of a campaign manager to further manually review the claim. As for the total number of reports I've made I'm not sure. I don't report people often but I am holding 100% accuracy. I think there's a flaw with the report system when it comes to signature campaigns. You can report someone and they get all of these posts removed but they don't get banned so when a campaign manager checks the posts they see nothing and just think they didn't post much.

I guess I clicked quote after the edit and didn't see but just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it's impossible this can easily work and it already is. If anything I'm eliminating spam by bringing everyone here instead of people making multiple threads on the same topic

[Quickseller]

 

The biggest evidence that Stake has no interest in weeding out the spammers from their campaign is their pay rates.

The highest quality posters you can find are those who post for free and aren't part of a signature campaign because they're genuinely posting and not for money. Can you imagine the amount of spam on this forum if I made a huge pay rate? Everyone would be having a field day spamming Bitcointalk as fast as possible. I believe people are unhappy with these pay rates because it proves the value of a post is far far less than we make it out to be. It's simple supply and demand, if I make this offer and so many people are still trying to join then it's obvious the pay rates could be lower and still have new members wanting to join.

Right now, the vast majority of the people in your campaign are posting garbage. Your participants have a median of 3 merit, nearly 40% have zero or 1 merit, and nearly 2/3 have 5 or less merit. There are 51 accounts that posted in your signature campaign thread that are perma banned, and although they all might not have been participating in your campaign when they were banned, I suspect the majority of them probably were.

One might be able to argue that you have a lot of shitty posters because of poor planning, poor screening of potential participants or a lack of supervision of participants, all of which I believe to be true. However the root cause is that you are paying garbage rates, and are attracting garbage posters. No one capable of making good posts that contributes to the community would have any interest in advertising for you based on what you are paying. There are many other advertising campaigns that pay 10x per post higher than what you pay, and the majority of those participating in these campaigns do not make the maximum number of posts.

You are correct in saying that increasing your pay rate would increase the number of people wanting to participate in your campaign. However your standards for accepting participants is currently zero, and if you were to increase your standards, the increase in those wanting to participate who qualify will not be as high, or perhaps will even decline if your standards are high enough. As it stands now, less than 3% of your campaign participants have over 50 earned merit, and less than 9% have greater than 30 merit. The people you are hiring are doing an objectively bad job at posting.

I don't care what you do, but you need to do something to remove the spammers from your signature campaign. If you want to attract good posters in anything except sporadic numbers, you will need to increase your pay rates, by a lot. I somewhat suspect that you are paying people on your platform next to nothing, and are accepting everyone who asks to join because you want to get these people to deposit their own money into your platform and gamble away that additional money, and accepting any and everyone is a way to attract additional customers.

Could you post a public spreadsheet or at least PM me a link to one so that I can see who's actually still in the campaign and who is removed but just inactive and still wearing the signature? Thanks.

I think it might finally be time to release the most iconic spreadsheet member list ever known to Bitcointalk. I've kept it private because I didn't want people abusing it since it had Telegram names, Bitcointalk names and Stake names all in one place.

I have no idea why you would think your spreadsheet would be iconic. It is essentially a list of spammers.

Except for telegram names, all of this information is already in your thread because you asked people to post it in your thread.

If you do not have time to personally manage your campaign, which I do not think you do (or at least you are unwilling to personally invest a lot of time into your campaign), I would strongly suggest hiring someone to help manage it. I would suggest talking to either DarkStar_ or yahoo62278 about this. Both have experience managing fairly large advertising campaigns, and to my knowledge do not have any problems with nepotism in choosing who they accept into their campaigns. 

[BharatDEX]

There are many other advertising campaigns that pay 10x per post higher

Which are thanks to a small group unaccessible for these posters

[stompix]

I think it might finally be time to release the most iconic spreadsheet member list ever known to Bitcointalk. I've kept it private because I didn't want people abusing it since it had Telegram names, Bitcointalk names and Stake names all in one place

Seriously?
You have a spreadsheet with 150 or so rows and it's such an impossible task to split a column in 3 each with one piece of information (bitcointalk names/ telegram name / stake name) and delete the sensitive data?

How does that spreadsheet look like that is such a gargantuan task to do that it will take you probably another week to?
It's only one row like
stompixtelegramuserstompixstakeusernamstompix645464901350.000750.02625 ?

I'm pretty sure that at least for this people will help you for free. Besides, there are plenty of tutorials around.

PS.
That number is not my cat catching mice on the keyboard

[Yabes]

Your campaign push those participant to keep do some posts in any times especially on sections gambling and bitcoin discussion. wish you could re-make of rules to being better for avoid spaming of post. may be to selection those participant based history of posts and change some your rates even max of posts.

Let me give you an example where campaign Yobit was banned for 60 days then those participant got banned for using the forum in 14 days.
If you believe in your mind set, might you campaign will be banned by forums and make your company getting bad impact.

[pushups44]

Name   Profile link   Merit   Rank   Posts Deleted
Catmurs   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1817406   1   Junior Member   127
Akshat21   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1929411   1   Junior Member   110
Yatsan   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=857883   40   Hero   94
lyks15   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1126017   0   Full Member   93
okala   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1108241   5   Full Member   64
furylmz   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=983794   1   Senior   58
Carrelmae10   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1181642   0   Member   56
Adriano2010   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=514126   12   Hero   56
steampunkz   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=944644   18   Senior   54
LUCKMCFLY   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1153977   40   Full Member   51
mrdeposit   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=77867   3   Hero   45
blockman   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=816893   13   Hero   42
xvids   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=948175   13   Senior   42
cryptjh   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1188761   23   Full Member   35
alisafidel58   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=782621   26   Full Member   32
Haunebu   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=218075   34   Hero   30
Bitinity   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=449846   56   Lendendary   29
CryptoBry   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=994859   39   Senior   29
Ximoandali   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2173628   1   Junior Member   28

all apparently in your campaign...

OK, whew, glad I'm not on that list. I try to make all of my posts constructive and try to dialogue with people in threads as much as possible. A couple of my posts have been deleted lately, but honestly I thought those two posts were constructive. Anyway, this thread is a good reminder to emphasize quality over quantity and to remain as constructive as possible to the community.

[SteveStake]

Your participants have a median of 3 merit, nearly 40% have zero or 1 merit, and nearly 2/3 have 5 or less merit. There are 51 accounts that posted in your signature campaign thread that are perma banned, and although they all might not have been participating in your campaign when they were banned, I suspect the majority of them probably were.

Are you making this stuff up to try and bait me to count the merits?
If over 80% of the campaign is full member+ how can 40% have 1 merit? I'll give you something more accurate than the median merits of the campaign, the average including Jr/Members

367.94 average merits for a Stake campaign member. It doesn't take much effort to find out your claim is 100% false

I look at your list of 51 banned accounts and I don't even know who majority of them even are. This is completely flawed because you're making your own list of people so your information is false. Low merits does not mean someone is incapable of a good post either. Are you incapable of being trusted or making a good post because your trust level is so negative?

Another thing, I'm fully aware what some of you are doing when you put a Stake signature on and then start trolling without being part of the campaign.

Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg51190436#msg51190436

There was never a point Souldream was ever in this campaign yet he was wearing the signature getting banned for plagiarism. He's still wearing the Stake avatar right now? This is obviously people attacking the campaign. How are you not trolling by trying to claim 40% of members have 1 merit, it's impossible. The fact you have so many merits for making that claim shows either merit abuse is very present on Bitcointalk (which it is) or people have no idea what they're talking about. It's handing out merits to support a post which is not true to gang up on me

However the root cause is that you are paying garbage rates

Higher pay rates will only encourage people to post more and lower pay rates encourage people to post less. If we truly want to see spam gone then remove all pay per post features because that will always encourage spam. Once I lowered the pay rates I saw an instant decrease in spam and it worked out well. I suggest other campaign managers stop over paying for posts because your supply of posters far surpasses your demand for them. But sure everyone is going to hate me for saying that even though it's true because so many are making a career out of Bitcointalk

Except for telegram names, all of this information is already in your thread because you asked people to post it in your thread.

This isn't true either...
Where am I asking people to post Telegram names other than in my private messages? If you went through the entire thread to find this "banned users" list how can you say something that makes it look like you didn't even read the first page lol

[LoyceV]

@SteveStake: there's a difference between earned and airdropped Merit. Don't expect quality posts from a user with high rank and no earned Merit.

[SteveStake]

@SteveStake: there's a difference between earned and airdropped Merit. Don't expect quality posts from a user with high rank and no earned Merit.

I like you Loyce, you take part in everything I post here long before this campaign and speak positively about Stake as a casino and website

[Lucius]

After 3-4 pages of spam I always knew DarkStar_ would be the one to save the day and use the thread correctly. Yup you're right he's messaging me on Telegram right now talking about an unjustified 7 day ban and has been removed from the campaign.

If you think all users who post in this thread only spam, did you report any of posts as spam? There is a option "Report to moderator", and if you are right mods will delete most of posts and you will prove that your statement is correct.

I'm sad we're about to be on page 4 without anyone making use of what this thread is for. I guess it shows the Bitcointalk spam issue goes a lot deeper than any single campaign.

At this time, the biggest source of spam in this forum is the campaign in which you are the manager, and after months of doing nothing you ask members of this forum to clear your mess?

[SteveStake]

After 3-4 pages of spam I always knew DarkStar_ would be the one to save the day and use the thread correctly. Yup you're right he's messaging me on Telegram right now talking about an unjustified 7 day ban and has been removed from the campaign.

If you think all users who post in this thread only spam, did you report any of posts as spam? There is a option "Report to moderator", and if you are right mods will delete most of posts and you will prove that your statement is correct.

I haven't been reporting people but yes a few posts from this thread have been removed

At this time, the biggest source of spam in this forum is the campaign in which you are the manager, and after months of doing nothing you ask members of this forum to clear your mess?

That's simply not true. Be a leader not a follower, you only say that because someone else did and if you research yourself you'd know there's a massive spam issue long before this campaign and there will be one long after. I'm not asking anyone to do anything and I'm simply providing a place for people to report any campaign spammer if they choose. People try to do it in random places across the forum already so it only makes sense to provide 1 place for people to post. Sure some people made low quality posts but it's the minority of members and people are taking out years of frustration towards Bitcointalk on a single campaign that's not even that old. I feel like the Stake campaign is turning into an antispam awareness movement. I don't mind taking the beating if it leads to a greater outcome in the end.

[2girls]

@SteveStake: there's a difference between earned and airdropped Merit. Don't expect quality posts from a user with high rank and no earned Merit.

I like you Loyce, you take part in everything I post here long before this campaign and speak positively about Stake as a casino and website

Where did you find Loyce speaking positively about you and stake 

Please resign!
I'm willing to do this job,

[SteveStake]

@SteveStake: there's a difference between earned and airdropped Merit. Don't expect quality posts from a user with high rank and no earned Merit.

I like you Loyce, you take part in everything I post here long before this campaign and speak positively about Stake as a casino and website

Where did you find Loyce speaking positively about you and stake  

Please resign!
I'm willing to do this job,

Just on my past threads, when I'm not doing things campaign related I post a bunch of giveaways and games for the community to join in on. If people hate me or not I don't have a problem with anyone personally and I think we can all get along and make this a less toxic/spammy environment overall.

[LoyceV]

I like you Loyce, you take part in everything I post here long before this campaign and speak positively about Stake as a casino and website

Where did you find Loyce speaking positively about you and stake 

Read the topic:

As it stands now, their advertising campaign is doing more harm than good because it is associating their brand with harm to the community.

And that's the part I really don't get! Stake is a good site and trusted site. From what I've seen, it had a good image until this campaign came around. It just doesn't make sense.

Please resign!
I'm willing to do this job,

OP was asking people to do his job for free, no need to take this out of context.

@SteveStake: How about this:
Kick out everyone who earned less than 15 Merit in the last 120 days. Check the merited posts, to make sure they're worth the Merit. That should largely reduce the amount of spam.
Then, increase pay rates for the good posters, keep a public list of participants, and check their posts before paying. This is a lot of work, ask for a raise if needed.
Running a campaign without much spam isn't difficult, it's just hard work. I have nothing against you, Stake, or signature campaigns. But I do hate spam!

[2girls]

Kick out everyone who earned less than 15 Merit in the last 120 days. Check the merited posts, to make sure they're worth the Merit. That should largely reduce the amount of spam.
Then, increase pay rates for the good posters, keep a public list of participants, and check their posts before paying. This is a lot of work, ask for a raise if needed.

Seriously
You should know that merit system does not work as it should be. Most of the merit revolves around the Gang members .

I have seen plenty of Jr Members, Members doing superb posts and getting no merits. However, Gang members do give  1 Merit to Newbies to become a Jr. Member and 10 merits to a Jr Member to become a member and consider they have done the job.    Don't give me 10 example where a person move from Jr Member to Hero......and ignore the 1000000 cases where he can't move up   You people think everyone else is mad and only you are wise.

Check the merited posts, to make sure they're worth the Merit.

First of all merit is difficult to get, even if a person get 15 merits in 120, you still want him to be checked if the posts were worth merit.

The merit which you have received till now are all worth it ?

I would suggest you make a job more easier for Steve is to give the list of people which should be included in the campaign and also the high rates, so you can post few posts a week and enjoy the living..