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21  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 11, 2023, 10:04:17 AM
Any person would send evidence on its own without asking just to make a point.
So he should doxx himself just because of one butthurt ban evader like you? Yeah right. And even he did that, you probably still wouldn't believe him.

I am one of those few who donated him (and no, I don't think he was begging in his topic) and I don't think that he should provide any evidence because I know how easy is to fake those so if he was lying I wouldn't know anyway so why bother.



I deal with people who I thought are legit and honest and greed got to their head and they steal my site (my developer) and lie after that he didn´t. .
And like you say i can easily spot if he is good person or not by talking to him.
You can easily spot most of the people but there are exceptional clever people that you cannot spot on normal measurements like conversation.
And most people here cannot understand and bring it into fruition.
22  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 11, 2023, 09:56:03 AM
I know you moderators are the ultimate interpreters of the rules but I don't agree with what was done, for me he was not "begging", and I donated.

While we're at it, I'll also tell you yahoo62278 that I saw a curious thing that made me decide not to donate to you again, but I'm going to wait until you are in good health to comment on it.

Your words against yours? If you know something say something.

No is not ok if people with trust will do it (Use highly sensestive words)  to solicit sympathy such as my mom died when I was 16, I need heart transp, I hope I surive.
All these words will make everyone donate him. But where is the proof of all of that?

You need to backup it up with evidence more than your trust here.
When you trust someone, you can rely on their word. Yahoo has been managing significant sums of money from numerous projects for a while, and he has built a solid reputation and level of trust in the process. Personally, I don't need to ask for any doc in order to assist because I trusted him and am aware of his character.

May I ask why you are so concerned with his life and donations?




Sometimes people can manipulate you I dont talk about yahoo now.
But if you have enough experience in life you will see that I am right.


There are around 13%  of the overall population of people that  are Narcissist/Sociopaths/Psychopaths in the world can manipulate you .
They can be charmers and have 0  guilt to do harm to you and can convince you they are good people.
Is much likely to see on of these than find a mod with 0.5%.1% chance to have his born desease and ask donation about it.
Just saying.

Calculate odds.


I recommend to read
Using empathy to use people: Emotional intelligence and manipulation
23  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 11, 2023, 09:34:49 AM
OP why don't you use your main account, instead of creating new one just to ask a question about this?  Roll Eyes

Now here's the point!
A person who hides behind his true identity is clear proof that he is not trustworthy. Yes your identity. Because our username here on the forum is our identity. No user who comes to the forum for the first time would question these situations.
Therefore, everything that this user (or others that may appear) says, will not have any credibility. Because, you are hiding your real identity here in the forum.



Regarding the fact that the rules prohibit requests for donations, I even understand why they exist. And therefore, topics with this clear objective must be removed.

Now, the thread created by @yahoo62278 had no such purpose. He may even have made the mistake of posting his bitcoin address, upon request, in the thread and having alarm bells sounded. Perhaps his weakened situation made him not think that this situation would create this type of situation.

Either way, he has already rectified the situation, respecting the forum rules. I don't think there's a need to keep hitting the same subject.

During the time he was in the hospital, the forum was a help to him and a place where he could take his mind off the whole situation. Let's not now turn the place that made your mind stay sane, into a place of headaches.





As for whether this was all a hoax, and he has to prove what happened. I think it's a great conspiracy theory!
@yahoo62278's reputation is worth much more than the mere dozens of dollars it would eventually receive in donations.

In addition, the forum has always valued privacy. Asking a user for a document is a huge breach of privacy.

Also, I see dozens of users with their address in their signature, and this has never been a problem on the forum over all these years.

Therefore, do not go to war with one another over these things.
The situation has already been dealt with, even if some of those involved did not have the most adequate attitude to the situation.

But let's move on, life already has many sad problems, we don't need to create even more!






Is look like bunch of alts/organized group of members use the same words and slogans to solicit empathy
´´But let's move on, life already has many sad problems, we don't need to create even more!´´
Now I am more positive that I dont  believe anything from yesterday. Any person would send evidence on its own without asking just to make a point.
If he worries on privacy. He could record video and post it here is no violation  of the rules.

This kinda of member know how to use the right words to hit the right emotions.


24  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 11, 2023, 09:08:13 AM
My 2c FWIW,

I commend hilariousandco for responding in the thread and TBH I wouldnt demonise
the mods for their actions, afterall as yahoo points out they had the decency to PM
about it.

What I'm taking from this is that there was donation addresses listed on yahoo's thread
which resulted in the locking of it, if those addresses hadnt been listed this thread for
example wouldnt exist.

Its ok to post up your experience of whatever is happening in your life and if someone asks
to make a donation you can direct them to the addy in your profile, thats ok.

In yahoo's defense I can understand how he or anyone else might have created that
thread, we spend so much time on the forum, some members have very strong
connections with each other and others have very prominent profiles, to share
part of your life with us is understandable. Some would shy away from doing so
others not, we are all different.

As The Sceptical Chymist pointed out, a newbie coming in with, zero history, zero trust, zero merit
and doing what yahoo did would be ripped to shreds, if you have any sort of history
built up in the community you will be welcomed, thats normal/fair.



No is not ok if people with trust will do it (Use highly sensestive words)  to solicit sympathy such as my mom died when I was 16, I need heart transp, I hope I surive.
All these words will make everyone donate him. But where is the proof of all of that?

You need to backup it up with evidence more than your trust here.
25  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 11, 2023, 08:26:35 AM
Yesterday I felt guilt and  that I caused your thread to be locked and may be some chance that you tell the truth.

But I find worrying staff.
like continuing lack of evidence, not  fully 100% honest.


What it all comes down to is someone or multiple someones on the forum felt I was in violation of the rules of the forum. Only the forum is allowed to ask for donations, everyone else can put an address in their profile that's it in a nut shell.


The donation adress was in the thread itself. Not in your profile.
Archieve: https://archive.fo/lBKTU


26  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 11, 2023, 03:48:58 AM
It was essentially a begging thread which obviously isn't allowed and I think the no begging rule is one of the oldest here. I'm suspired nobody reported it earlier to be honest.

I remember I read it when he posted his story here and I remember I didn’t feel that it was a begging thread by any means. He told his story wholeheartedly and I’m sure everybody read it with open heart. It was in nobody’s mind that it will turn into a begging thread and from such respected and senior member. That’s why it was not reported by anyone.

Then after that I didn’t visit back and never saw he posted a donation address in OP.

Anyway as soon the donation address was posted it turned into a begging thread no question on this.

I appreciate hilariousandco for his fair judgement instead of nuking the whole thread off, it’s better restoring it to original story telling post. I think yahoo62278 should accept posting address was a mistake.


Full disclosore: I am fishy I dont feel like ruining the person the thread. (If all real)
I want him to get  as much money as much as possible.
This why I am willign to donate him half grand for him and half grand and Bitcointalk if is all real and verified by mods.
and they r willing to upload it again.

Now asking for proofs or evidences is a stupid thing, you ask for proofs when you have doubts and when you have doubts please don’t donate or help anyone as simple as that.

If you believe in yahoo and think he needs donation or help no one is stopping you from helping him you can contact him pm or get his address there are thousand ways.

Begging is not allowed we all agree, full stop.

Now please stop humiliating anyone and specially yourself by asking for proofs. Because when you are in doubt those proofs won’t mean anything, real or fake is out question.



I am professional, and the mods here are also experienced and most likely had enough drama and  traumas in their life  for themself or  their relatives to be more skeptical.
I am not  some sloppy and inexperienced girl with no life experiences that lets her emotions control her judgment all the time. who never experienced any pain and locked in her mom´s basement.

Btw If had heart problems  I would provide on my own will documents for mods as  proofs to shut it down once at for all.

Such as delivery apps orders etc. Its easy to upload it on loom and post it here.

If my brother or family member would ask me help and I doubt him I WOULD ASK THE SAME THING.

If he is emotional he will tell me I DONT BELIEVE YOUR MY BROTHER HOW YOU ASK ME THIS.

or if he is highly intellectual  he wil say this:  UNDERSTAND BRO YOU ARE RATIONAL ADULT AND YOU PROBABLY EXPERIENCE SOME SHIT IN LIFE.

I WILL SHOW YOU SOOM PROOF.


yahoo chooed the victim mind that we hold low opinion on him instead of provide a proof

Quote
The responses in this thread are less than desirable but That's not on any of you, just the people who made them. It shows that certain people have a low opinion of me and that is their right.




I hope he can provide real proofs and pming them on his will like I would do.
I still believe that it will be a great gesture to reopen the thread if the users provide enough evidence.
But is not my decision to make.  god bless.






What it all comes down to is someone or multiple someones on the forum felt I was in violation of the rules of the forum. Only the forum is allowed to ask for donations, everyone else can put an address in their profile that's it in a nut shell.



You put donations links  also in the thread not just the profile.

Archieve:

https://archive.fo/lBKTU

27  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 10, 2023, 09:02:57 PM
Suppose I need Lasik surgery and see from a long distance. Assuming my eyes are very bad, and I need people to pay for my surgery, 3k.
What do I need to show if I open the donation thread here? Do I need to provide eye problems documents from birth?
Nothing can assure anything. All you need is trust/reputation from the forum users.
Reputation is key for receiving any donations, regardless of whether asking for them is allowed or not.  If you're a nobody on this forum and start asking for donations for any of those surgeries you listed, you can forget about it.  The only reason yahoo62278 received all the bitcoin he did is because of the trust and rep he's built up over the years.  He's managed a lot of campaigns and a lot of money, so obviously people didn't think he was up to anything when he said he was in the hospital waiting for a heart transplant.

For as long as I can remember, asking for donations wasn't allowed, no matter who you were.  It was considered begging, and I was surprised to see a btc address in yahoo62278's thread.  Eh, medically he's out of the woods for now and it's not a huge deal that he asked for a little bit of charity from the community IMO.


You all part of a cult you have telegram groups together What I find is that the mods are the only rational people here.
Some people here have alts.
Is not suffucient a trust scroe. forum like HF and OGU I saw in my own eyes people with hundrends of trust eventually exit scam.
Only docuemnts are sufficuent to proof it/videos.


They should give Yahoo a chance to provide them given his reputation here. This I agree.
Provide reliable docs then we talk. I will also make a  big donation.
28  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 10, 2023, 08:52:15 PM
Why would you see it? It was done in private, but they usually don't get contacted at all.
They either go straight in the trash without notification or the person gets a ban but I thought I'd do the nice thing and nicely ask him to remove it rather than trash the entire thing. It's really not done selectively. I think everyone should be treated the same and people shouldn't be begging for money here. I would urge people to report any begging threads and we'll probably stop a lot of scams from happening in the first place.
How would you call collecting donation to develop new forum software that was never delivered like promised?  Tongue
My point was that I saw so many obvious examples of people asking for donations in this forum and this was never considered a begging.
Now I understand if you want to make an example from yahoo, but I would like to hear opinion from theymos about it.

I don't think that thread should have been there but two wrongs don't make a right.
Dude, are you serious?!
This thread is still very much there as well as their ''donation'' address  Roll Eyes
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.0

You could just have a friend or even an alt account make the suggestion.
So you are now saying that he used some of his alt accounts for this, and for what....to get around $100 worth of BTC in donations  Roll Eyes
I am really surprised and sad to hear all this from Global Moderator  Tongue



millions if rich people like stake.com or bitsler will see it.
It has perfect story to induce empathy. not cringy donation like the link you post.
it has story behind it.

Full disclosore: I am fishy I dont feel like ruining the person the thread. (If all real)
I want him to get  as much money as much as possible.
This why I am willign to donate him half grand for him and half grand and Bitcointalk if is all real and verified by mods.
and they r willing to upload it again.
29  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 10, 2023, 08:34:45 PM
Appreciate that the mods are being rationals. All other users seems so irrational and part of a cult.
I also  want to believe he saying the true but give proper evidence.
Make proper research.
30  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 10, 2023, 08:07:46 PM
Everything is possible. It may be all a show.



He need to proof:


- Video with his food deliveries app show 60 usd spend every day
- medical bills  from hospital.


The forum always deserves the truth to know if all of this thread is real or not.
Just for the sake of the forum to teach everyone a lesson if people can seem good on the surface and turn out to be evil after.


If he is  a real person I would keep his  thread.
And I will donate half grand for him and half for bitcointalk.
31  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 10, 2023, 06:31:22 PM
Is it only me who finds that this topic and the one(s) made by fishy001 yesterday seem too closely related?
I would not be surprised if it's the same person. (And, while multi accounts are allowed, ban evasion still isn't.)

Social jealousy, that is one of the reasons I think.

I think that it's actually more related to Yahoo uncovering ban evasion than anything else.


I don´t understand what you are saying here.
If you read clearly I actually try to help Yahoo to get his thread back.


Quote
If is life-threating situation like he potrays and he need food delivered to him to hospital every day. And everything can be verified by mod

I support to help  him and re-open it.
32  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 10, 2023, 05:49:02 PM
It was essentially a begging thread which obviously isn't allowed and I think the no begging rule is one of the oldest here. I'm suspired nobody reported it earlier to be honest. If it was made by any other account it would have been reported half a dozen times and trashed within an hour of being posted. It's really not about providing sufficient proof of illness or whatnot. I don't know if you're trying to make a point of something with this thread but it's a good example of what would be wrong with allowing begging threads because everyone would then try them for all afflictions major and minor; real or fantasy. It would then become the oppression Olympics with people feigning all sorts of things just to try solicit sympathy donations.

I think yahoo deserves the necessary help he/she needs to survive the health problems as long as its true. He is a longtime member who has supported this forum in his own way.
The money involved isn't a small one. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof  and once enough proofs are provided the forum must rally around one of its own to help him/her survive. Life is worth more than the amount he/she is asking for. He could also be helped to get the desired treated/cured at the fraction of the cost or free of charge. Nothing is impossible
It will be really sad to see another important member vanish just like that.

From his own words he doesn't seem to need the money and he has health insurance. From what he said recently it seems the donations were essentially just to cover his doordash expenses:

What you are is 100% impulsive and pathetic. If you are going to try and throw shade at a user, you should at a minimum, read the whole thread. Just a suggestion. If you had, you would see that I have not had a heart transplant at this point. I did have an almost 1 month stay in the hospital. Jan 4th-Jan 29th 2023. The initial post also said that money donated would be used to help with expenses such as food, gas, hotel rooms, or anything else. All of which is what the donations helped with. I was not on a special diet in the hospital as I never held water or showed any signs of swelling in any of my extremities. With that being said, I used doordash for 2 meals a day most times. Roughly 30-35$ per meal each day. That's 60-70$ a day for food for 25 days. Do the math and that comes to 1500-1750$ just for food alone. Well above any amount that was donated. Noone begged the community for anything and in fact I told many users not to send anything. Not that I owe you any answers but I didn't want you to think I didn't see your post.

Begging (also panhandling) is the practice of imploring others to grant a favor, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging

You might not like the term but that's a perfect definition of what the thread essentially was.


The thread has some harsh words... I hope I survive. My mom died when I was 17. I need a heart transplant (cost 1m+).
As observers here, they feel empathy and want to help him and me too, but he needs to back it up with documents.
This is why I ask if the reason for the closure is  documents
People here are irrational to think that vouch is enough.
But if he is in a lifetime-threatening situation and he needs a heart transplant or he cannot work, And need food delivered to him to the hospital.  it may be worth keeping the thread open and helping him achieve his goals.
And get him money for  heart transparent in the future if he ever needs it.

I think yahoo62278 deserves the necessary help he/she needs to survive the health problems as long as its true. He is a longtime member who has supported this forum in his own way.
The money involved isn't a small one. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof  and once enough proofs are provided the forum must rally around one of its own to help him/her survive. Life is worth more than the amount he/she is asking for. He could also be helped to get the desired treated/cured at the fraction of the cost or free of charge. Nothing is impossible
It will be really sad to see another important member vanish just like that.



In regards to begging accusation, why would you call someone who really needs help a begger? What? Is something wrong with you? That's childish and should never be used for people who really needs help from us. And don't ever call people who aren't really begging beggars: Here is a Wikipedia definition of begging:

Begging (also panhandling) is the practice of imploring others to grant a favor, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging


May GOD help yahoo62278 who has been kind to many of us in the past.

Finally, someone rational. If it's true.
I am still surprised by how rep here convey so much trust.

People here are so irrational they trust reputation so much.
If I have hospital paper for eye issues, it will be much more trusty than these  100  vouches he has. (with all due respect)
You can call and verify with the hospital.
And also it will increase the number of donations in the thread if real mod will vouch for him after seeing such papers.
I advise on how to improve the overall experience in the forum, and it applies to everyone, not just the yahoo guy.

33  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 10, 2023, 04:34:48 PM

If I need some of these treatment it will be cool if I will be able to ask donation here:
I don't think so, it won't change the policy on raising donation for yourself.

In some cases, I also don't really understand the exact rules as long as donation threads are freely published on several boards, for example raising donations to help other members, someone outside the forum, or an invitation to help disaster victims.



Any answer not from the mod is not helpful to me.
We can avoid closure only if we know the reason behind it without guessings.


Only this guy can provide real answer:
hilariousandco
34  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 10, 2023, 04:23:23 PM
Suppose I need Lasik surgery and see from a long distance. Assuming my eyes are very bad, and I need people to pay for my surgery, 3k.
What do I need to show if I open the donation thread here? Do I need to provide eye problems documents from birth?
Nothing can assure anything. All you need is trust/reputation from the forum users. Your words should be more trusted than documents and be that guy, though such things directly don't exist in the forum. I was responsible for the verification of such a case during the Covid-19 pandemic for giving a donation. If someone/an organization is donating, you can go to them and provide documents.

He does not share the complete reason, only that they asked him to remove it.
It was active for veryyy  a long time until yesterday.
This why I ask what cause about the exact cause is.

If the user needs treatment like this, he should be able to post and ask for donations. Therefore I ask if the closure is a lack of evidence or if the forum doesn't feel right to make donations anymore and is not about it.

Moderator thinks yahoo62278 is breaking the forum rules. That's what yahoo said. I can't imagine there was something that was against forum rules. The purpose of the thread was to ensure everyone should go through a health check-up. Donation was a totally partial thing there.


I think it should be fine if provides enough evidence. Maybe mod was pming him and didn´t provide that?
Asking for mod answers. If mods are kind enough for the situation of the man they should allow it.
Any other answer that not coming from mod is not helpful for me.
35  Other / Meta / Re: What cause the donation closure thread of Yahoo on: February 10, 2023, 03:51:35 PM
I do not think you can make a donation topic for you because that would be begging. Afaik other members organized the donation for yahoo and it was not a formal thing but something some members did out the kindness of their heart. I think it helps that yahoo is a long time member who has contributed a lot and they were not looking for the donation at the start and only did because people wanted too. I think if they opened up a topic looking for donations it would have been removed by the mods.

I hope I do not offend but this is your 1st post asking for a donation from a newly created account will certainly be removed. Yahoo has 1 of the best reputations on the forum and has been a member for years and does not need to provide proof because other members wanted to donate to him before he put a address in the topic.

yahoo posted the reason https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5430104.340 they got told by a mod to remove the address so I guess it was not allowed.



He does not share the complete reason, only that they asked him to remove it. It was active for veryyy  a long time until yesterday.
This why I ask what exact cause about what happened.
If the user needs treatment like this, he should  be able to post and ask for donations.
I completely against closure if he he provides the documents.
Therefore, I ask if the closure. Is it lack of evidence?




If I need some of these treatment it will be cool if I will be able to ask donation here:
Quote
Surgery   Cost

Intestinal transplantation.   $1,121,800
Heart transplant                 $1,000,000
Heart valve replacement   $170,000
Heart bypass   $123,000
Spinal fusion   $110,000
Hip replacement   $40,364
Knee replacement   $35,000
Angioplasty   $28,200
Hip resurfacing   $28,000
Gastric bypass   $25,000
Cornea   $17,500
Gastric sleeve   $16,500
Hysterectomy   $15,400
Rhinoplasty   $6,500
Breast implants   $6,400
LASIK   $4,000
Spleen removal   $47,860
 Replace or revise brain shunt   $49,355
Cranial lesion   $50,189
Ileostomy   $51,683
Removal of pacemaker or defibrillator   $52,005
Partial removal of the colon   $52,353
Gallbladder surgery   $54,041




 Do I  need to provide supporting documents and it will  be ok then?
36  Other / Meta / (Closed) on: February 10, 2023, 03:36:45 PM
 Suppose I need Lasik surgery and see from a long distance. Assuming my eyes are very bad, and I need people to pay for my surgery, 3k.
What do I need to show if I open the donation thread here? Do I need to provide eye problems documents from birth?
I see that the donation thread of Yahoo was taken down. Is it because he failed to provide these documents for Moderators when  they ask?
Happy to receive more information regarding the cause of the closure.

Did mod was pming him  to send evidence of food expenses/Hospital bills like  quote And he didn't send anything?
Is this why closure happened?


Quote:

Quote
That's 60-70$ a day for food for 25 days. Do the math; which comes to 1500-1750$ just for the food alone.


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