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as it says.. We can discuss BTC payment after I describe the project. It should be a relatively small project.
PM me if interested,
Thanks,
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This is the most frustrating. repetitive thread I have ever read. Josh, I would like to bet you, Interested?
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Can't someone report these guys to a government organization for a real investigation? Like the BBB or something like that? Not sure who it would be that you report them to; if i had money invested in their FASIC's I would certainly do something like this.
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Sorry, didnt mean to stir the pot, just in awe I can't get a strait answer, or any at all, from JZ
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this whole thing is so absurd, and I feel absolutely awful for the people who spent their money on these non-existent ASIC's....there's no proof, there's no evidence, and there's no legitimate answers to anything, it's just ridiculous. I give up, science bless you all...
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Understandable, what makes you think they will be shipping soon?
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WOW, ok, all I hear and see is bullshit slinging back and forth, no real answers to ANY real questions... It's just ridiculous at this point. For the hundredth time, where is your proof Josh, send me the links, point me in the right direction... ragging on Micon and telling people they are blind, hurling insults at the non believers; this is not helping your case, and CERTAINLY doesn't count as proof or evidence that BFL has anything at all to offer the community, as you seem to think it does. For the last time, WHERE IS THE PROOF, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? I don't care what you think of me, or the rest of the BTC community that doesn't believe what seems to be lie after lie from you and your company, so stop feeding us lines and answer the real question here. Where are the ASIC's, where is the proof, where is the evidence? Millions of dollars worth of paying customers deserve to know, and you refuse to answer... I don't understand why, and if you're legitimate in any way, you will have no problem responding to this in something other than a defensive, mocking, insulting manner. Show us the proof, show us the evidence.
If you really want the details, this thread is probably the last place you're going to find them. The real paying customers are at butterflylabs.com, where BFL answers questions appropriately and gives updates as they can. Regardless, I don't think BFL really cares all that much about proving things right now. In 1-12 weeks, they'll ship out, and that's when people will see the proof they want to see. Well I don't expect an answer to my questions, as I don't believe there are any (answers). Seeing as how this originated as a betting thread, I'd like to get back to it. Would you like to make a wager Sgt? I'm not BTC rich so it would have to be relatively small, but could we agree on an end point of shipping sometime within the 1-12 week time frame you mentioned? If your not into it, I wont push it, but if you are I think we could come to some sort set of terms relatively quickly. What do you think? |
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WOW, ok, all I hear and see is bullshit slinging back and forth, no real answers to ANY real questions... It's just ridiculous at this point. For the hundredth time, where is your proof Josh, send me the links, point me in the right direction... ragging on Micon and telling people they are blind, hurling insults at the non believers; this is not helping your case, and CERTAINLY doesn't count as proof or evidence that BFL has anything at all to offer the community, as you seem to think it does. For the last time, WHERE IS THE PROOF, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? I don't care what you think of me, or the rest of the BTC community that doesn't believe what seems to be lie after lie from you and your company, so stop feeding us lines and answer the real question here. Where are the ASIC's, where is the proof, where is the evidence? Millions of dollars worth of paying customers deserve to know, and you refuse to answer... I don't understand why, and if you're legitimate in any way, you will have no problem responding to this in something other than a defensive, mocking, insulting manner. Show us the proof, show us the evidence.
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Instead of lashing out at Bryan for lashing out at you, and back and forth, or however this whole thing is going, prove him wrong by producing evidence to the contrary of his scammer accusation. I still see none of this.
I'm sorry, then you are blind. There are mountains of evidence everywhere, and as I said, anyone with even a glimmer of intelligence has seen it. I'm not lashing out at Bryan, I am poking fun at him because he's so ridiculous. Watching him flail about trying to dodge the simple truth that his entire premise is false, has been demonstrated to be false and is beyond ludicrous is an entertaining past time. You are obviously new here, so it's forgivable that you are unaware that I don't tolerate stupidity and I will be happy to point it out to you directly. In this case, I am enjoy pointing out how completely idiotic Bryan is, and that's about it. As I said, it's pointless to argue with someone who is not able to grasp reality or understand any of the evidence that is presented to him. I'm sorry, but I am not blind, and it seems your implying that large portion of the BTC community, is. If it's so clear, make me believe, make us believe. Status updates, time frames, and pictures of boxes don't really do it for me. If the evidence is everywhere, point me, us, in several of the right directions please. -BTCOnetime not sure why my response ^ is listed as yours, I tried several times to separate it, but there is my response - BTCOnetime |
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Instead of lashing out at Bryan for lashing out at you, and back and forth, or however this whole thing is going, prove him wrong by producing evidence to the contrary of his scammer accusation. I still see none of this.
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I assume you are talking about the "Troll Museum" yes, the writing was on the wall when they decided to manipulate that thread so it appears there are 100k+ views on their announcements with no negative uproar. Very, very embarrassing decision by the forum management. What's with the censorship? I was also just censored (completely deleted) for typing in MNW's new thread "didn't this guy scam half the people here? How is he still allowed to post?" Are MNW and Zerlin paying someone to make them look better? Apologies for getting off topic Translation: I am butthurt because the big, bad, mean Josh scared me so I'm going to lash out. I don't understand why people think I'm an idiot! It must be a conspiracy!
Somebody call the waaaambulance. Thanks for basically confirming exactly what Micon just said about your lack character and motives. You just painted your hands red. ^ |
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I'm not as eloquent as most of you here, but I must respond...
I just read through the entire post, and I am thoroughly entertained, as well as disgusted. Capslock's post says it very well, and maybe I'm missing something here, but how exactly is it "painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain that BFL is no scam"? I would really like a direct answer to this. I have not seen one shred of evidence, much less proof, that BFL's promise of ASIC's is not a scam and/or a failed project, and furthermore, the atrocious and childish behavior of the COO of BFL doesn't exactly help instill confidence in the legitimacy of the company at this point in time. One can easily defend themself and company without name calling, cussing, etc.
Question. Reading through this thread, I didn't at any point read a post from Micon saying that BFL is an outright scam. Did I miss this as well? It seems to me that the bets he is taking are more of a calling-them-on-bullshit-timeframe kind of thing, with a strong hint of looks-like-they-tried-and-probably-failed, which to me seems entirely legitimate considering the fact that BFL has collected what seems to be millions of dollars in pre-orders, while producing nothing more than excuse after excuse. How is Micon a scammer? How is he a liar?
Please feel free to correct me on any of this as I'm sure I do not have all the facts.
Jay-Z; nut up, apologize to your customers, and tell them BFL fucked up rather than slinging insults, quarters and exuses at the non-believers... or, produce. It seems an apology for the painfully long wait is already in order. If BFL isnt a scam and/or failed project, you owe it to your customers, and their massive amount of lost currency by way of BTC price hikes, lost mining time, etc. to prove that you are legitimate.
B-Mics; I don't have much to scold you for, it seems you have kept a relatively cool head in spite of all the shit that has been thrown your way, but things like joshzerlan.com are unnecessary, and beneath you. It seems a bit of a cheap shot, with high potential for further escalation. If Josh and BFL are scamming the community, it will eventually become apparent, and hopefully these people will go to jail, and/or be sued for everything.
ok, phew, just had to get it out, and now, happy betting you jive mothas!
Criticism for JoshZerlan.com accepted & noted. I can explain a little more why I responded as such: Nevermind the fact that I think Josh Zerlan works for a scammer company, this guy is a textbook bully. He's an internet bully and a real-life bully. He tried to intimidate me personally by making an aggressive show to deflect my CES recordings of his hardware. I wanted to show him that not only will his bully-deflection tactics not work, but I will use them directly against him to amplify my point and draw more attention to the fact they have not shipped and showed up to CES empty handed. Maybe this is not warranted, maybe this is childish, but I watch the culture of BFL-influenced mods censoring anti-BFL postings, I watch Josh Zerlan run around these forums talking mad shit to all skeptics in a completely unprofessional and abusive manner, all while holding USD millions in pre-orders and gambling it on R&D to create the product they promised. Wasn't going to let him push this story to the side once again. Right or wrong, I choose to fight this bully with a fact-based video account of his own actions and his own words hosted on a domain of his first & last name. I was speaking more to the picture at the bottom of the site, but other than that, I really have no issue. His response to your response illustrates your point even further. I don't quite understand how BFL could let the face of their company act like this. Is it possible to get a response from Josh that is not bullying, insulting, or filled with name calling? I still don't have an answer to the question, how is it "painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain that BFL is no scam"? |
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4) Josh Zerlan has backed down from a 20 coin bet that is within his posted timeline. This should scare most of you with pre-orders: that the man posting the timeline won't bet 20 coins on the timeline he posted. Oh yeah, and the 2nd independent ASIC maker started mining. Meaning even if BFL did ship on the fairytale timeline that Zerlan is telling, they would come to market 3rd. and remember Josh won't bet on it.
It doesn't scare me. Josh isn't taking your bet on principle. You've been calling BFL a scam all this time, that they were just going to take everyone's money and never deliver anything. And now, it appears you're changing your mind, and you believe BFL WILL deliver something, just that it might be delayed further. Josh wants you to admit that you were wrong about BFL being a scam and that you now only want to bet on how soon they will deliver. So, you're trying to call Josh out on the ship date. Josh is trying to call you out on BFL not being a scam. And neither side is willing to give. You both have valid points that the other side isn't willing to take the bet, because, theoretically, either bet would match the beliefs of both of you. But both of you want the other side to admit that they were wrong about their initial beliefs. I respectfully disagree. 1) based on Josh's own posted timeline, he should easily win the bet I offered. 2) based on JoshZerlan.com, if Josh Zerlan believed his own timeline he would likely jump at the chance to win 20 of my coins. Ask yourself that one - why wouldn't he just take my monies? To counter: 1) Based on your own accusations of BFL being a scam who will never ship, you should easily win the bet he offered. 2) If you believe your own statements that BFL is a scam, you would likely jump at the chance to win 2000 coins. Why wouldn't you just take his monies? Like I said, it goes both ways... Thank you SgtSpike. You have summed up the entire problem with Bryan Micon's lying and scammy behavior in a simple post. Of course he's back peddling and changing his tune now that it's painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain that BFL is no scam. He's trying to astroturf his earlier stupidity by covering up the fact that he's claimed BFL is a scam and that we are going to run off with everyones money. Bryan Micon is a liar and a scammer, end of story. If he really believed what he was saying, as you say, he would jump at the chance to win nearly $60,000 US from me, since I am willing and able to escrow 2000 BTC. Hell, I'm even willing to do 100 BTC but he won't take that bet, either, because he knows it's a losing bet and everything he's said is a lie. I'm not as eloquent as most of you here, but I must respond... I just read through the entire post, and I am thoroughly entertained, as well as disgusted. Capslock's post says it very well, and maybe I'm missing something here, but how exactly is it "painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain that BFL is no scam"? I would really like a direct answer to this. I have not seen one shred of evidence, much less proof, that BFL's promise of ASIC's is not a scam and/or a failed project, and furthermore, the atrocious and childish behavior of the COO of BFL doesn't exactly help instill confidence in the legitimacy of the company at this point in time. One can easily defend themself and company without name calling, cussing, etc. Question. Reading through this thread, I didn't at any point read a post from Micon saying that BFL is an outright scam. Did I miss this as well? It seems to me that the bets he is taking are more of a calling-them-on-bullshit-timeframe kind of thing, with a strong hint of looks-like-they-tried-and-probably-failed, which to me seems entirely legitimate considering the fact that BFL has collected what seems to be millions of dollars in pre-orders, while producing nothing more than excuse after excuse. How is Micon a scammer? How is he a liar? Please feel free to correct me on any of this as I'm sure I do not have all the facts. Jay-Z; nut up, apologize to your customers, and tell them BFL fucked up rather than slinging insults, quarters and exuses at the non-believers... or, produce. It seems an apology for the painfully long wait is already in order. If BFL isnt a scam and/or failed project, you owe it to your customers, and their massive amount of lost currency by way of BTC price hikes, lost mining time, etc. to prove that you are legitimate. B-Mics; I don't have much to scold you for, it seems you have kept a relatively cool head in spite of all the shit that has been thrown your way, but things like joshzerlan.com are unnecessary, and beneath you. It seems a bit of a cheap shot, with high potential for further escalation. If Josh and BFL are scamming the community, it will eventually become apparent, and hopefully these people will go to jail, and/or be sued for everything. ok, phew, just had to get it out, and now, happy betting you jive mothas! |
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i understand that flip, I have all the confidence in the world in the seals crew, I'm just curious as to what this all means, as you can see from my questions above....
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any updates? whats happening? can they do this indefinately? is there any real way to stop it or trace the source? I don't know much about this kind of thing.. Thanks!
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well put, I wish I could shake his hand in real life, and ditto on the efforts past an present. Freemoney delivers more than fedex. Thank you so much freemoney, and thank you as well Micon, I know you also put a lot of great work into SWC. The site has really come a long way.
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agree with capslock, been playing on seals (and with him) for a long time now. This could happen to any site, big or small. Freemoney works his ass off to keep Seals safe, secure, fair, and fun, and does a fantastic job with it. Ill pray to the BTC gods for you freemoney! Cant wait to get back on, GL!
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could this be Josh Zerlin?
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where is the proper forum for this thread? any moderators?
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not sure if this is the right section but as it says i'm in need of what im told is a very easy, very legal, small project involving online poker and personal hand tracking. Drop me a line if your interested. i can pay in BTC
Thanks
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